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00:00:42,373\n但是呢現在為什麼有很多委員對部長有意見呢我在想一來就是大家在短時間沒有看到部長的表現\n\n3\n00:00:43,544 --> 00:01:07,082\n到底對人民防詐防堵尤其這是人民最關心的但是還是有那麼多的詐騙集團讓人民受害所以會讓人民覺得說我對數位佈置要成立之後我想應該詐騙集團可以減少很多很多啊那為什麼還有這麼多呢所以很多人就會對此不滿意\n\n4\n00:01:08,523 --> 00:01:26,678\n當然我是覺得說一來就是說部長也的確是一個新的部跟新的部長那成果不見得馬上看得到但是我覺得部長要加緊腳步讓人民感受到我今天詐騙集團如果說我有10成我已經擋掉了9成擋掉9成5了\n\n5\n00:01:28,519 --> 00:01:55,785\n但是我還是有0.5成到1成在欺騙人民還是有這些害到人民所以人民會覺得說數位部到底有沒有做事所以我想這個部分數位部要加緊腳步那當然大家對數位部這麼寄以厚望那相對的呢他當然就會用更嚴格的標準來審度我們數位部到底做了哪些那我先就就是數位部的這個中繼辦公室\n\n6\n00:01:57,826 --> 00:02:02,980\n這個人民一看到齁14個月租金7千萬7千萬省起來1個月5百萬\n\n7\n00:02:05,382 --> 00:02:32,520\n人民會覺得說喔為什麼要花這麼多錢那真的是會有意見尤其當時就是在中紀辦公室也曾經說要搶東門市場沒有已經完全沒有這件事現在是在行二行三就是也是行政院旁邊所以我的意思就是說在這個過程當中那當然很多人民會有意見那我現在要讓部長希望我能夠確定的就是說這14月的租金7000萬到底要多久\n\n8\n00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:56,486\n那將來我們可以避免掉要花這麼多的公帑去租一個地方何況要新光大樓是不是要在這麼熱鬧的地方花這麼多錢那讓人們有一個不好的感覺所以是不是請部長就我們的辦公室現在的目前使用的地方中紀辦公室跟未來確定了沒有是不是還要花這麼多的租金\n\n9\n00:02:57,892 --> 00:02:59,412\n主席已經確定要在行二行三?\n\n10\n00:03:19,839 --> 00:03:37,707\n對,那我們目前收到的消息是說大概5年左右可以蓋好但是中間如果國產署給我們任何別的地方我們當然就不會繼續租星光OK,那現在我們先確定就是說未來的地方確定再行二行三那我們這個中紀辦公室的7000萬這麼貴的租金要到什麼時候?\n\n11\n00:03:39,107 --> 00:03:57,838\n對,剛剛已經講了就是最多就是5年行二行三蓋好但是中間如果國產署給我們任何其他的地方我們就可以直接從新光過去OK我希望說能夠為人民減少節省公帑希望說那個我們數位部可以盡量的來處理當然所以呢人家又檢視比較嚴格就是說那出國勒\n\n12\n00:03:59,039 --> 00:04:10,941\n你看喔出國經費花這麼多錢然後又沒有看到實際的成果我想部長也應該把你的成果為什麼要花這麼多錢讓人民知道我們要核准這個預算我們才核准的下去啊\n\n13\n00:04:12,454 --> 00:04:32,774\n謝謝委員當然吸引18國資安來這邊攻防演練這個是以前從來沒有的事情這個本身就是成果但是大家可以看到就是看得見或找到成果很多是好比像說我們吸取國外的一些最新的銀碼技術等等我們在國內的電商推動以至於5個月以來這些大型電商都沒有變成高風險賣場等於這個問題已經解決了那這個其實是有感的\n\n14\n00:04:35,757 --> 00:04:54,740\n只是說大家一有感覺這個行業解決了就會馬上期待更多像網路廣告業、Facebook等等那這個也非常需要跟各國談判因為任何一個單一的國家去給Facebook或Google壓力是那個用處比較小的我們一定要聯合包含美國在內所有也有同樣問題的國家一起給他們壓力才能夠獲得談判的結果\n\n15\n00:04:55,191 --> 00:05:11,405\n所以我其實私底下也有問過數位部啦就是說你們的打造網路民主防線你必須跟全世界各國的網路人才資訊人才去做這樣子一個聯防那為什麼一定要出國不是現在很多視訊會議嗎\n\n16\n00:05:12,546 --> 00:05:31,511\n有啊所以我們剛剛提到說我們自己辦的或者對方願意用視訊的我們大概會改視訊但是就在剛剛提到兩個就是資安的攻防演練因為那個是非常機密這個手機可能都不一定能帶進去的狀況這種談判以及這個國際的經貿談判他們有時候談判代表就是說一定要見到人那這個時候我們才是這個實體過去\n\n17\n00:05:32,998 --> 00:06:02,207\n我想我們的立場就是要看緊人民荷包啦那數位部雖然是一個新的單位那花錢我們當然要特別的注意就是說該花則花該省則省所以也希望數位部在花錢的時候能夠盡量看緊人民荷包以最省的委員者能達到效率盡量不要說人民一看到租金7000萬出國這麼多人家一定會質疑說數位部到底是這個是怎麼花錢的是不是太過於浪費了\n\n18\n00:06:02,847 --> 00:06:06,228\n所以我這邊特別提醒我們數位部就是花錢以人民荷包能夠節省為原則好那最嚴重的呢就是打詐\n\n19\n00:06:25,768 --> 00:06:46,614\n防堵這個部分坦白講我們人民最關心啦那我現在也有去了解就是說你們有做電子簽章那這個做了以後可不可以去減少人民被詐騙這個部分其實是整個國家社會最關心的我希望說你們什麼時候可以做出一個成果讓我們人民感受得到\n\n20\n00:06:47,014 --> 00:07:13,027\n好謝謝委員這個非常重要委員剛剛說假設這個詐騙集團9成被抓了怎麼樣他剩下來的這一成如果他透過AI換臉假帳號等等技術他變成好像10倍20倍的甚至很多這種詐騙我們就是很困擾對就是冒名的狀況那這個就是要靠電子想法的修法來解決去年在交委會的時候我就說雖然當時這個廣告平臺並不是本部這個主責是經濟部但我沒有這樣說我是說\n\n21\n00:07:13,567 --> 00:07:22,417\n只要交委會支援我們把電子簽約法三讀通過我們願意來當這個網路廣告平台的主管機關那現在已經送到交委會了只要通過我們就來當\n\n22\n00:07:23,123 --> 00:07:45,788\n所以將來就是在FB啦在任何的網路平台就他要用的詐騙廣告這些目前是經濟部在主責數位部也願意把它單下來我們已經跟經濟部說經部也願意讓我們單下來現在是說我們當目的事業主管機關之外我們還需要改電子簽章法才能夠要求這些投資廣告上架前要用這種實名來簽章\n\n23\n00:07:47,427 --> 00:07:50,529\n電子簽章是不是簡單讓我們國人了解一下什麼叫電子簽章?\n\n24\n00:08:18,189 --> 00:08:25,046\n電子簽章會不會被仿冒?電子簽章有可能被仿冒但是數位簽章就是我們認定的憑證機構來掛保證\n\n25\n00:08:27,236 --> 00:08:51,233\n所以我們只要實施這個電子簽章法數位部可以掛保證不會被仿用我們可以掛保證那如果他剛好跟我真的同名同姓當然也許他可以看一次吧但是被抓到是詐騙之後他這個也會被撤銷掉那是一個身份證字號可以申請一個電子簽章對就是我們像自然憑證來說就是如果換了身份證字號的話本來的那個也失效所以每個人同時就是一個\n\n26\n00:08:51,758 --> 00:09:07,376\n就是一個法人或一個自然人都可以只可以有一個電子簽章不會被仿冒自然人是這樣沒有錯那法人的話不是叫自然人憑證是叫工商憑證對就是一個電子還是只有一個憑證只有一個簽章那這個數位部可以保證就不會被仿冒\n\n27\n00:09:07,967 --> 00:09:26,755\n我們可以保證就是在技術上面這個是不會被就是資安上面被攻擊當然我們不能排除說有些人會把他的資安憑證交給別人或人頭戶等等但是我要強調就是說他這個只能做一次做完之後就撤銷了我想最後特別的再要求就是國人對於這個詐騙集團\n\n28\n00:09:28,456 --> 00:09:28,576\n謝謝徐委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3534\t30432\t謝謝主席我們先請部長請部長委員好部長好其實我對部長一直寄以厚望因為數位部是一個新的單位那部長也是空前的一個部長所以責任重大人民寄以厚望\n32079\t42373\t但是呢現在為什麼有很多委員對部長有意見呢我在想一來就是大家在短時間沒有看到部長的表現\n43544\t67082\t到底對人民防詐防堵尤其這是人民最關心的但是還是有那麼多的詐騙集團讓人民受害所以會讓人民覺得說我對數位佈置要成立之後我想應該詐騙集團可以減少很多很多啊那為什麼還有這麼多呢所以很多人就會對此不滿意\n68523\t86678\t當然我是覺得說一來就是說部長也的確是一個新的部跟新的部長那成果不見得馬上看得到但是我覺得部長要加緊腳步讓人民感受到我今天詐騙集團如果說我有10成我已經擋掉了9成擋掉9成5了\n88519\t115785\t但是我還是有0.5成到1成在欺騙人民還是有這些害到人民所以人民會覺得說數位部到底有沒有做事所以我想這個部分數位部要加緊腳步那當然大家對數位部這麼寄以厚望那相對的呢他當然就會用更嚴格的標準來審度我們數位部到底做了哪些那我先就就是數位部的這個中繼辦公室\n117826\t122980\t這個人民一看到齁14個月租金7千萬7千萬省起來1個月5百萬\n125382\t152520\t人民會覺得說 喔 為什麼要花這麼多錢那真的是會有意見尤其當時就是在中紀辦公室也曾經說要搶東門市場沒有 已經完全沒有這件事現在是在行二行三就是也是行政院旁邊所以我的意思就是說在這個過程當中那當然很多人民會有意見那我現在要讓部長希望我能夠確定的就是說這14月的租金7000萬到底要多久\n153320\t176486\t那將來我們可以避免掉要花這麼多的公帑去租一個地方何況要新光大樓是不是要在這麼熱鬧的地方花這麼多錢那讓人們有一個不好的感覺所以是不是請部長就我們的辦公室現在的目前使用的地方中紀辦公室跟未來確定了沒有是不是還要花這麼多的租金\n177892\t179412\t主席已經確定要在行二行三?\n199839\t217707\t對,那我們目前收到的消息是說大概5年左右可以蓋好但是中間如果國產署給我們任何別的地方我們當然就不會繼續租星光OK,那現在我們先確定就是說未來的地方確定再行二行三那我們這個中紀辦公室的7000萬這麼貴的租金要到什麼時候?\n219107\t237838\t對,剛剛已經講了就是最多就是5年行二行三蓋好但是中間如果國產署給我們任何其他的地方我們就可以直接從新光過去OK我希望說能夠為人民減少節省公帑希望說那個我們數位部可以盡量的來處理當然所以呢人家又檢視比較嚴格就是說那出國勒\n239039\t250941\t你看喔出國經費花這麼多錢然後又沒有看到實際的成果我想部長也應該把你的成果為什麼要花這麼多錢讓人民知道我們要核准這個預算我們才核准的下去啊\n252454\t272774\t謝謝委員當然吸引18國資安來這邊攻防演練這個是以前從來沒有的事情這個本身就是成果但是大家可以看到就是看得見或找到成果很多是好比像說我們吸取國外的一些最新的銀碼技術等等我們在國內的電商推動以至於5個月以來這些大型電商都沒有變成高風險賣場等於這個問題已經解決了那這個其實是有感的\n275757\t294740\t只是說大家一有感覺這個行業解決了就會馬上期待更多像網路廣告業、Facebook等等那這個也非常需要跟各國談判因為任何一個單一的國家去給Facebook或Google壓力是那個用處比較小的我們一定要聯合包含美國在內所有也有同樣問題的國家一起給他們壓力才能夠獲得談判的結果\n295191\t311405\t所以我其實私底下也有問過數位部啦就是說你們的打造網路民主防線你必須跟全世界各國的網路人才資訊人才去做這樣子一個聯防那為什麼一定要出國不是現在很多視訊會議嗎\n312546\t331511\t有啊 所以我們剛剛提到說我們自己辦的或者對方願意用視訊的我們大概會改視訊但是就在剛剛提到兩個就是資安的攻防演練因為那個是非常機密這個手機可能都不一定能帶進去的狀況這種談判以及這個國際的經貿談判他們有時候談判代表就是說一定要見到人那這個時候我們才是這個實體過去\n332998\t362207\t我想我們的立場就是要看緊人民荷包啦那數位部雖然是一個新的單位那花錢我們當然要特別的注意就是說該花則花該省則省所以也希望數位部在花錢的時候能夠盡量看緊人民荷包以最省的委員者能達到效率盡量不要說人民一看到租金7000萬出國這麼多人家一定會質疑說數位部到底是這個是怎麼花錢的是不是太過於浪費了\n362847\t366228\t所以我這邊特別提醒我們數位部就是花錢以人民荷包能夠節省為原則好那最嚴重的呢就是打詐\n385768\t406614\t防堵這個部分坦白講我們人民最關心啦那我現在也有去了解就是說你們有做電子簽章那這個做了以後可不可以去減少人民被詐騙這個部分其實是整個國家社會最關心的我希望說你們什麼時候可以做出一個成果讓我們人民感受得到\n407014\t433027\t好 謝謝委員 這個非常重要委員剛剛說假設這個詐騙集團9成被抓了怎麼樣他剩下來的這一成如果他透過AI換臉假帳號等等技術他變成好像10倍20倍的甚至很多這種詐騙我們就是很困擾對就是冒名的狀況那這個就是要靠電子想法的修法來解決去年在交委會的時候我就說雖然當時這個廣告平臺並不是本部這個主責是經濟部但我沒有這樣說我是說\n433567\t442417\t只要交委會支援我們把電子簽約法三讀通過我們願意來當這個網路廣告平台的主管機關那現在已經送到交委會了只要通過我們就來當\n443123\t465788\t所以將來就是在FB啦在任何的網路平台就他要用的詐騙廣告這些目前是經濟部在主責數位部也願意把它單下來我們已經跟經濟部說經部也願意讓我們單下來現在是說我們當目的事業主管機關之外我們還需要改電子簽章法才能夠要求這些投資廣告上架前要用這種實名來簽章\n467427\t470529\t電子簽章是不是簡單讓我們國人了解一下什麼叫電子簽章?\n498189\t505046\t電子簽章會不會被仿冒?電子簽章有可能被仿冒但是數位簽章就是我們認定的憑證機構來掛保證\n507236\t531233\t所以我們只要實施這個電子簽章法數位部可以掛保證不會被仿用我們可以掛保證那如果他剛好跟我真的同名同姓當然也許他可以看一次吧但是被抓到是詐騙之後他這個也會被撤銷掉那是一個身份證字號可以申請一個電子簽章對就是我們像自然憑證來說就是如果換了身份證字號的話本來的那個也失效所以每個人同時就是一個\n531758\t547376\t就是一個法人或一個自然人都可以只可以有一個電子簽章不會被仿冒自然人是這樣沒有錯那法人的話不是叫自然人憑證是叫工商憑證對就是一個電子還是只有一個憑證只有一個簽章那這個數位部可以保證就不會被仿冒\n547967\t566755\t我們可以保證就是在技術上面這個是不會被就是資安上面被攻擊當然我們不能排除說有些人會把他的資安憑證交給別人或人頭戶等等但是我要強調就是說他這個只能做一次做完之後就撤銷了我想最後特別的再要求就是國人對於這個詐騙集團\n568456\t568576\t謝謝徐委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席我們先請部長請部長委員好部長好其實我對部長一直寄以厚望因為數位部是一個新的單位那部長也是空前的一個部長所以責任重大人民寄以厚望\n但是呢現在為什麼有很多委員對部長有意見呢我在想一來就是大家在短時間沒有看到部長的表現\n到底對人民防詐防堵尤其這是人民最關心的但是還是有那麼多的詐騙集團讓人民受害所以會讓人民覺得說我對數位佈置要成立之後我想應該詐騙集團可以減少很多很多啊那為什麼還有這麼多呢所以很多人就會對此不滿意\n當然我是覺得說一來就是說部長也的確是一個新的部跟新的部長那成果不見得馬上看得到但是我覺得部長要加緊腳步讓人民感受到我今天詐騙集團如果說我有10成我已經擋掉了9成擋掉9成5了\n但是我還是有0.5成到1成在欺騙人民還是有這些害到人民所以人民會覺得說數位部到底有沒有做事所以我想這個部分數位部要加緊腳步那當然大家對數位部這麼寄以厚望那相對的呢他當然就會用更嚴格的標準來審度我們數位部到底做了哪些那我先就就是數位部的這個中繼辦公室\n這個人民一看到齁14個月租金7千萬7千萬省起來1個月5百萬\n人民會覺得說 喔 為什麼要花這麼多錢那真的是會有意見尤其當時就是在中紀辦公室也曾經說要搶東門市場沒有 已經完全沒有這件事現在是在行二行三就是也是行政院旁邊所以我的意思就是說在這個過程當中那當然很多人民會有意見那我現在要讓部長希望我能夠確定的就是說這14月的租金7000萬到底要多久\n那將來我們可以避免掉要花這麼多的公帑去租一個地方何況要新光大樓是不是要在這麼熱鬧的地方花這麼多錢那讓人們有一個不好的感覺所以是不是請部長就我們的辦公室現在的目前使用的地方中紀辦公室跟未來確定了沒有是不是還要花這麼多的租金\n主席已經確定要在行二行三?\n對,那我們目前收到的消息是說大概5年左右可以蓋好但是中間如果國產署給我們任何別的地方我們當然就不會繼續租星光OK,那現在我們先確定就是說未來的地方確定再行二行三那我們這個中紀辦公室的7000萬這麼貴的租金要到什麼時候?\n對,剛剛已經講了就是最多就是5年行二行三蓋好但是中間如果國產署給我們任何其他的地方我們就可以直接從新光過去OK我希望說能夠為人民減少節省公帑希望說那個我們數位部可以盡量的來處理當然所以呢人家又檢視比較嚴格就是說那出國勒\n你看喔出國經費花這麼多錢然後又沒有看到實際的成果我想部長也應該把你的成果為什麼要花這麼多錢讓人民知道我們要核准這個預算我們才核准的下去啊\n謝謝委員當然吸引18國資安來這邊攻防演練這個是以前從來沒有的事情這個本身就是成果但是大家可以看到就是看得見或找到成果很多是好比像說我們吸取國外的一些最新的銀碼技術等等我們在國內的電商推動以至於5個月以來這些大型電商都沒有變成高風險賣場等於這個問題已經解決了那這個其實是有感的\n只是說大家一有感覺這個行業解決了就會馬上期待更多像網路廣告業、Facebook等等那這個也非常需要跟各國談判因為任何一個單一的國家去給Facebook或Google壓力是那個用處比較小的我們一定要聯合包含美國在內所有也有同樣問題的國家一起給他們壓力才能夠獲得談判的結果\n所以我其實私底下也有問過數位部啦就是說你們的打造網路民主防線你必須跟全世界各國的網路人才資訊人才去做這樣子一個聯防那為什麼一定要出國不是現在很多視訊會議嗎\n有啊 所以我們剛剛提到說我們自己辦的或者對方願意用視訊的我們大概會改視訊但是就在剛剛提到兩個就是資安的攻防演練因為那個是非常機密這個手機可能都不一定能帶進去的狀況這種談判以及這個國際的經貿談判他們有時候談判代表就是說一定要見到人那這個時候我們才是這個實體過去\n我想我們的立場就是要看緊人民荷包啦那數位部雖然是一個新的單位那花錢我們當然要特別的注意就是說該花則花該省則省所以也希望數位部在花錢的時候能夠盡量看緊人民荷包以最省的委員者能達到效率盡量不要說人民一看到租金7000萬出國這麼多人家一定會質疑說數位部到底是這個是怎麼花錢的是不是太過於浪費了\n所以我這邊特別提醒我們數位部就是花錢以人民荷包能夠節省為原則好那最嚴重的呢就是打詐\n防堵這個部分坦白講我們人民最關心啦那我現在也有去了解就是說你們有做電子簽章那這個做了以後可不可以去減少人民被詐騙這個部分其實是整個國家社會最關心的我希望說你們什麼時候可以做出一個成果讓我們人民感受得到\n好 謝謝委員 這個非常重要委員剛剛說假設這個詐騙集團9成被抓了怎麼樣他剩下來的這一成如果他透過AI換臉假帳號等等技術他變成好像10倍20倍的甚至很多這種詐騙我們就是很困擾對就是冒名的狀況那這個就是要靠電子想法的修法來解決去年在交委會的時候我就說雖然當時這個廣告平臺並不是本部這個主責是經濟部但我沒有這樣說我是說\n只要交委會支援我們把電子簽約法三讀通過我們願意來當這個網路廣告平台的主管機關那現在已經送到交委會了只要通過我們就來當\n所以將來就是在FB啦在任何的網路平台就他要用的詐騙廣告這些目前是經濟部在主責數位部也願意把它單下來我們已經跟經濟部說經部也願意讓我們單下來現在是說我們當目的事業主管機關之外我們還需要改電子簽章法才能夠要求這些投資廣告上架前要用這種實名來簽章\n電子簽章是不是簡單讓我們國人了解一下什麼叫電子簽章?\n電子簽章會不會被仿冒?電子簽章有可能被仿冒但是數位簽章就是我們認定的憑證機構來掛保證\n所以我們只要實施這個電子簽章法數位部可以掛保證不會被仿用我們可以掛保證那如果他剛好跟我真的同名同姓當然也許他可以看一次吧但是被抓到是詐騙之後他這個也會被撤銷掉那是一個身份證字號可以申請一個電子簽章對就是我們像自然憑證來說就是如果換了身份證字號的話本來的那個也失效所以每個人同時就是一個\n就是一個法人或一個自然人都可以只可以有一個電子簽章不會被仿冒自然人是這樣沒有錯那法人的話不是叫自然人憑證是叫工商憑證對就是一個電子還是只有一個憑證只有一個簽章那這個數位部可以保證就不會被仿冒\n我們可以保證就是在技術上面這個是不會被就是資安上面被攻擊當然我們不能排除說有些人會把他的資安憑證交給別人或人頭戶等等但是我要強調就是說他這個只能做一次做完之後就撤銷了我想最後特別的再要求就是國人對於這個詐騙集團\n謝謝徐委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.534 --> 00:30.432\n謝謝主席我們先請部長請部長委員好部長好其實我對部長一直寄以厚望因為數位部是一個新的單位那部長也是空前的一個部長所以責任重大人民寄以厚望\n\n00:32.079 --> 00:42.373\n但是呢現在為什麼有很多委員對部長有意見呢我在想一來就是大家在短時間沒有看到部長的表現\n\n00:43.544 --> 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