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00:02:30,968\n我們來看下一頁內政部你們預告完了以後在去年的10月16號內政部締政司排除電子簽章法適用公告我想社會部長對外向行政院申請預算、尋求法案支持還有對各部會的協調其實都非常重要\n\n8\n00:02:32,109 --> 00:02:54,811\n我想再給你一個平反的機會想知道一下就是說部長就電子簽商法的部分有沒有向行政院爭取要積極的跨部會溝通我們剛剛已經看到一個不太好的例子我們想問一下有沒有向行政院爭取積極跨部會溝通有的而且不但是在法案審查的過程裡面我們跟各個部會交換意見我們也跨院溝通包含這個司法院等等\n\n9\n00:02:56,072 --> 00:03:14,420\n當然我們就有委員手上的這個表就在跨部會溝通的時候大家都有看到這個表我在記者會上面就已經提過了但今天我們特別放一個黃冠在這邊為什麼呢?不只到目前為止有26個部會排除電子簽章法的適用但是我們竟然還有一個部會呢?怎麼樣?\n\n10\n00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:30,305\n他是完全在這一次請你們提出來這個兼電子商法草案裡面特別加了一條司法院是不適用的這部分是不是可以請部長說明一下什麼樣的原因司法院可以就不用呢\n\n11\n00:03:31,687 --> 00:03:32,427\n我想這個相關的跨部會的溝通\n\n12\n00:03:49,395 --> 00:03:57,057\n是會讓外界覺得他們在打臉數位部啦我們都不想看到這樣而你們在送上來條文上面並沒有針對這一個新增的這句話來做說明我想這個溝通或者跨部會都是非常重要的那我們想我們回到電子簽商法本身來講上個星期四的行政院院會通過的電子簽商法\n\n13\n00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:25,336\n送到立法院本席表達肯定本席的版本也已經在上週五通過院會的一讀程序我想福國立民的法案我們都非常支持那我們是不是下一頁想要來跟部長一起表達我們立法委員不只是立法跟監督我們也還要一起來協力\n\n14\n00:04:28,499 --> 00:04:44,489\n師傅可以跟我一起喊一下這個最重要的這句話大膽擁抱電子簽章吧好不好部長那我們321開始喔大膽擁抱電子簽章吧我想也是喊給這26個部會啦再喊一次對不對好那我就321喔好\n\n15\n00:04:45,490 --> 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