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00:02:07,404\n這一部分我們現在都採取一些整合式分析的方式所以不會像以前那樣子完全說好像是他們八個分別來進行這方面情資的分析現在在資安院我們已經開始去做這方面整合分析那至於就是新的資安法對於關鍵基礎設施的新一步的做法是不是請署長來跟委員說明好\n\n7\n00:02:10,614 --> 00:02:27,236\n跟委員報告其實我們對到每一個關鍵基礎設施除了數位不管的之外每一個我們都很重視所以我們要求第一個平常要聯訪情質要交換第二個如果遇到事件要怎麼樣通報應酬也有一定的規定那第三個我們會有一個就是\n\n8\n00:02:28,117 --> 00:02:28,157\n提供討論．\n\n9\n00:02:52,981 --> 00:03:13,912\n是,好,謝謝署長,因為我們知道提升政府資訊安全的防護能力非常的重要因為這個關係到整個國家安全關係到我們國人的一個民生的一個需求因為在去年我有關心過像彰化的這個肉品市場的一個當機的一個事件本來懷疑是駭客入侵後來應該是\n\n10\n00:03:14,892 --> 00:03:15,092\n陳素月委員\n\n11\n00:03:35,351 --> 00:03:56,670\n包括說在這個媒體傳播的部分因為在這個通訊傳播主管機關是這個速發部可是我們看到其實在最近幾年也有發生媒體遭受攻擊的這個事件那在這個部分想請教一下部長就是說在這部分我們速發部可以提供媒體什麼樣的一個支援\n\n12\n00:03:58,592 --> 00:04:25,154\n我想首先當然如果是講新聞或什麼內容的話那個不是我們但是我們對他們的資通系統確實是在我們聯防的過程裏面我們會去強化一方面就是強化他們的專責人員的這個訓練二方面我們新的資安法裏面特別設了一個調度權就是有這些重大事件發生的時候不會只有他們四個人或兩個人或一個人來負全部的這個應處的責任我們會把附近的就是地點相近的或者說他能夠透過\n\n13\n00:04:26,014 --> 00:04:48,432\n就是相同的共用的系統來支援的這些把他以戰帶訓把這一次的攻擊當作一個訓練機會一起來支援這個重大事件是因為我們知道媒體的傳播無遠弗屆因為真的是而且速度很快對整個社會安定會造成很大的衝擊那我們也看到之前也曾經發生那個烏龍事件就是這個新聞台物質這個跑馬燈後來他們說是他們對話說明是物質\n\n14\n00:04:53,396 --> 00:05:20,255\n可是我們如果把它想成如果說假設這個是一個駭客入侵新聞媒體的一個事件的話我想這個就非常的一個嚴重那所以根據本席瞭解就是說目前在這個通訊傳播的這個領域除了公廣集團及特定媒體之外多數的新聞單位不在我們的資安管制範圍內是不是這樣就是說它並沒有被指定成關鍵基礎設施\n\n15\n00:05:21,650 --> 00:05:25,615\n報告員其實所有的機關除了資安法指定因為他就一定要付出很多代價\n\n16\n00:05:39,751 --> 00:05:39,771\n獲得獎項\n\n17\n00:05:56,164 --> 00:06:12,342\n是,我想這部分很重要因為我們也曾經看到之前美國的有一個案例雖然這個時間比較早就是在2013年的時候一個就是駭客運用apt攻擊成功接管這個美聯社的官方twitter帳戶\n\n18\n00:06:13,542 --> 00:06:32,072\n當時這個事件就造成那時候的美國股市下跌所以這個對整個社會安定就衝擊很大所以這部份我們也希望數位部未來也會要做一個全盤的一個考量我想我們在自通安全管理法裡面當然我們定義自通安全包含資訊系統\n\n19\n00:06:33,352 --> 00:06:54,927\n的完整性等等但是您剛剛提的比較像是資訊本身的完整性就不一定是系統怎麼樣了但是這個資訊本身能不能及時更正等等那這部分當然可能比較不是自動安全法這一次修法的狀態但是我們目前也透過像我們的數位產業署透過一些就是審議士民調等等的方式來蒐集民間對於資訊完整性的具體期待\n\n20\n00:06:56,524 --> 00:07:18,698\n謝謝部長接下來就是針對有關防炸的部分我想這個也是大家都非常關注的一個議題在這部分因為民眾對於防炸的部分期待也非常的高我們也希望政府要有更具體的一些成效讓民眾可以感受得到\n\n21\n00:07:19,598 --> 00:07:45,192\n對於詐騙、打詐其實從源頭的防詐是非常的重要這部分就是跟我們數位部非常的密切關係在這部分剛剛部長在做報告的時候有提到就是要推動這個數位簽章這部分剛剛很多委員也有關心所以我想再請教一下就是這部分未來實施之後是不是可以真的可以發揮它的效果主角這個詐騙的廣告\n\n22\n00:07:46,852 --> 00:08:08,358\n謝謝委員給我們時間說明目前這個圖卡上面講的是說他比較在選舉期間如果要登政治或社會類的廣告Facebook他作為就是他的自律的這個做法他是要求你證明說你是本國人而且就是是本人那目前的做法是上傳像身份證反面照片或護照照片等等\n\n23\n00:08:08,718 --> 00:08:33,593\n但這個的挑戰是說第一個他可能提供他的身份證正反面的照片是辦別的事情用的然後那個人拿那個照片去幫他申請那這個就比較像是用身份驗證的這種方式去做類似數位簽章的事情但是沒有像硬件證明就是蓋這個章就是我本人嘛所以我們現在把它提升到數位簽章的層級的話那就一定要是那個人為了來看登投資廣告\n\n24\n00:08:34,273 --> 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