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00:00:23,187\n張雅琳委員,我事先預告,所以讓後面的人才會知道。好。謝謝,謝謝。好,那麼有請院長,謝謝,謝謝。張委員早。好,謝謝喔,那...欸?這怎麼...他自己按的沒有反應欸,對哪裡啊?喔,沒打電話,好好。\n\n2\n00:00:25,968 --> 00:00:44,430\n首先因為剛剛其實大家都非常關注就是說我們那個故宮身為一個台灣重要的一個博物館也是世界級的一個博物館那其實是我們台灣作為文化外交一個非常有利的一個武器那我查閱您過去的發言是有提到說你希望可以促進國際的交流打亮故宮這個招牌\n\n3\n00:00:45,331 --> 00:01:04,967\n也有說博物館是今年是博物館的觀光旅遊年但是我們從這個數據你可以看見到我們國際交流的次數其實是一直持續的在下滑撇除我們前面那兩年因為疫情的影響但是我們到2022年之後我們的這個國際交流還是一直持續的在下滑\n\n4\n00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:31,880\n那這樣子要如何去拓展故宮的國際知名度呢?也沒有辦法讓我們國內這麼多優秀的專家學者的博物館軟實力被世界給看見那再來我又看了一個數據就是我查了一下世界博物館的一個人潮數字大家可以看到左邊這個是大英博物館右邊是羅浮宮大家可以看到他跟2022年大英博物館已經他的人潮已經回到2019年的現況那這個2023年的時候抱歉\n\n5\n00:01:37,083 --> 00:01:59,492\n在羅浮宮的部分跟2022年相比他們在2023年已經成長了17%我算過這個數字基本上就是回到2019年的水準了所以世界都以人潮回來了那台灣的參觀人數還是持續的在只有過去的一半所以我想問問院長就是說我們對於這樣子的人潮我們有什麼樣的具體的做法\n\n6\n00:02:02,193 --> 00:02:24,073\n基本上來講的話就是博物館的話就跟觀光旅遊是接軌的因為以整個國際的觀光旅遊來講的話回到最多的話當然是英國、法國、美國、日本像這些大國的話他們的人潮回流的速度觀光開放的速度會比較快\n\n7\n00:02:25,495 --> 00:02:39,516\n台灣基本上來講的話因為入境的人目前的數量還比較低所以我們有時候故宮是依賴國外的旅客為主所以這個部分回流的確是比較慢\n\n8\n00:02:43,329 --> 00:03:00,717\n我幫院長想了一個想法,我不知道院長可以聽聽看,就是說我去年底的時候我看到一個新聞就是我們台北登上了法國的勒索關鍵字,這兩個國際旅遊網站上面法國人非常喜歡來台北,而且他們中外文化探索\n\n9\n00:03:01,678 --> 00:03:11,320\n我們在2020年的時候東京奧運曾經有規劃要去出展但是當時因為疫情那這一次我們去巴黎奧運有沒有剛好搭上這陣熱潮要去參展呢?\n\n10\n00:03:13,119 --> 00:03:41,377\n基本上來講的話我們會有一個展覽在明年去凱布朗利博物館但是2024年的話原來是一起在2024年去可是因為疫情的關係所以讓兩邊的協商都慢下來對那所以巴黎奧運我們有沒有這個參展今年有沒有沒有好那我想問一下就是說我希望就算時間有限就是在國際交流的這個部分具體的人潮回升的這個部分我希望院長可不可以在兩個禮拜給我一些說明跟規劃\n\n11\n00:03:43,118 --> 00:04:03,510\n雖然我們對外的交流是變少了但是我也看到院長非常努力的把世界帶回來台灣所以在這幾年其實有在規劃這個李公林展那據我所知李公林的展品是散落於在世界各地有在台灣美國跟日本那我知道好像也有在跟這些場館去做交流了對不對\n\n12\n00:04:05,601 --> 00:04:29,607\n這個部分的話基本上我們在持續進行當中所以有像陳理委員講的消息很靈通都是國際重要的李公林的作品所以已經有跟美國跟日本交流了對嗎?我們持續在進行之中但是李公林還有一個作品是在中國故宮這個部分我想要請教一下我們是不是已經也開始做接洽了?\n\n13\n00:04:31,173 --> 00:04:34,448\n中國故宮部分我們目前沒有跟他們有什麼互動\n\n14\n00:04:35,202 --> 00:05:04,101\n好喔那就是如陳如剛剛那個秀白委員陳秀白委員說的就是說因為政協在就在這個月初喔他在這個政協安庭喔他在政協第14屆二次會議和第14屆全國人大兩次會簡稱兩會提出了一個建議書喔這邊就提到了兩岸原是一家喔而且甚至建立故宮通飄之讓海外旅客對兩岸形成統一的認知把藝術沾染了這個政治的意涵喔我希望院長可以\n\n15\n00:05:04,881 --> 00:05:05,141\n委員長蕭雅琳\n\n16\n00:05:20,966 --> 00:05:44,424\n我想跟大陸的交流的話基本上來講的話第一個兩岸關係條例我只要想要確認說你可以堅持這個台灣維持台灣的基本上來講的話我們跟大陸的故宮的直接的交流其實還要更審慎的去討論因為目前來講的話是看不到在那個所謂的\n\n17\n00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:46,539\n獲獎獎項目\n\n18\n00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:19,086\n我看到這個新聞是2018年我們甚至去串聯了台灣15個博物館一起來打造親子友善但是呢我從這之後我就找不到任何的新聞了所以我不想說這個聯盟實際上還有在運作嗎\n\n19\n00:06:22,270 --> 00:06:22,951\n瞭解\n\n20\n00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:44,821\n國立故宮博物院院長蕭琳\n\n21\n00:07:34,092 --> 00:07:51,625\n院長我們可以做得到嗎那個跟委員報告一下就是基本上來講的話就是故宮都有參加博物館的一個聯誼的活動比如說518國際博物館日的話我們也會參與然後另外的話教育部主導的\n\n22\n00:07:52,765 --> 00:07:53,526\n國際博物館友善聯盟\n\n23\n00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:28,945\n這部分希望可以帶著大家一起共學共好那就再麻煩院長了再來下一個就是說還是一樣兒童有效的觀展環境\n\n24\n00:08:31,319 --> 00:08:51,173\n從這兩張照片我們可以看到我們可以看到這照片裡面我們的字幕的位置其實是在一個比較高的位置大概是在人的頭部這個位置那其實呢我們可以看這是國外日本的或者是歐洲他們其實都有在講我們應該要創造一個兒童友善的觀展環境\n\n25\n00:08:51,893 --> 00:09:13,022\n的視線位置應該落在90到110公分這樣子小孩比較看得到那我知道我們有學藝中心那我這個是想要跟提個建議啦我們會會可以再詳細的討論我們是不是有可能有一些真正的藝術品可以讓他降到這樣子的高度讓孩子可以真正的是欣賞這些藝術的作品這件事情我們是不是可以來討論\n\n26\n00:09:14,122 --> 00:09:37,831\n跟委員報告一下故宮目前的展櫃跟未來的展櫃設計的話我們都有採取通用設計讓幼兒盡量都可以從80的高度開始的話我們讓他們可以更方便的欣賞到這些作品所以目前已經是在規劃中了是嗎所以我們未來的展館現在南院的話基本上來講的話都是以80起跳\n\n27\n00:09:39,687 --> 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