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00:01:38,877\n坦白講這兩個飛機對台灣很重要但是妥善率到底如何我覺得參謀長要好好掌握不只戰機整個戰力他不是只有我們看得到的F16一般人沒有注意到的我常講像海軍陸軍陸軍在地上走海軍出海好幾天看不到的其實也很辛苦整體的戰力很重要你反潛的\n\n5\n00:01:40,509 --> 00:01:59,465\n余景的他提供的C4ISR的平台的整合才有最前線官兵第一線看起來很刺激很炫麗的東西這個都很重要所以這些妥善率我覺得我們這個會期可以花點時間來看看各軍種那有的可能是經費問題我們常常投入大量的錢\n\n6\n00:02:00,926 --> 00:02:01,607\n王定宇王定宇\n\n7\n00:02:16,616 --> 00:02:16,836\n李卓人議員\n\n8\n00:02:43,267 --> 00:03:08,296\n這個總統改選其實是三軍統帥對我們國防部來講就是三軍統帥我是請教部長因為在2月19號已經責成蕭美琴副總統當選人來做所謂的交接小組的召集人那交接大家看到了以為是總統府的交接而已其實我個人認為在安全事項的交接其實比國之喜那一顆印章\n\n9\n00:03:09,196 --> 00:03:28,950\n還重要因為那個是重責大任部長如果不方便講的我可以尊重目前是不是已經啟動了對下任三軍統帥的交接的彙報那又要無縫接軌縱使是同一個黨繼續執政這個交接蠻重要的部長目前有沒有這相關的作業進度\n\n10\n00:03:29,710 --> 00:03:53,798\n我跟委員報告,因為我在軍中服務蠻久的,幾任統賽有這個更迭,我們都有經歷過。我的印象就是說,有新任統賽要來之前,通常國防部會做一個很簡單的報告。但我後來跟他們講,你們做好準備,但我沒有積極去問,哪一天來,什麼時候來,沒有邀約,因為我也擔憂啊,會造成誤會,好像我要把人拉過來幹什麼。\n\n11\n00:03:54,958 --> 00:04:16,277\n邱部長不是一個求官的人,你很認真在做,所以我剛才講說有些事情就是一件事,三軍統帥要進入狀況,山東的狀況,整體的狀況,我的意思是說我們現在國防部有備變了是不是?我們也做好準備,怎麼樣讓新任統帥了解,最短時間了解一般國軍整體的概況。開始進行相關的匯報了沒?\n\n12\n00:04:19,781 --> 00:04:43,441\n我跟委員報告一下,我們通常講說像今天下午我做的定期匯報有參與人員他會調,在這種當中對研究人員的接觸,但不便講得很清楚但是我覺得我們國軍能夠做準備已經在準備當中那現在要獲得哪邊要強化,我們也陸續要了解當中但不管怎麼樣,這個任務的接軌\n\n13\n00:04:44,462 --> 00:04:44,682\n李卓人議員\n\n14\n00:05:09,512 --> 00:05:30,580\n從我們空軍去亞利桑那陸客到貨商或者早期的海軍陸戰隊會有一個排級單位到夏威夷這都公開資訊了那目前我們已經有兩個聯兵營到美國受訓一個是到密西根的聯訓中心甚至於還參加了北方打擊的一個聯合的軍演\n\n15\n00:05:31,340 --> 00:05:57,193\n那另外呢夏威夷專案是陸軍裝甲五四兩旅這個是大概跟M1A2有關係也到美國受訓了目前訓練的狀況有沒有掌握我跟委員報告這都是一個雙方情報或者訓練交流的一環那麼委員會掌握跟報告登的大家都知道實況目前有關陸軍準備概況我請陸軍參謀長簡單說明好不好所以我們現在是全建制過去受訓嘛\n\n16\n00:06:01,555 --> 00:06:22,711\n跟委員報告你不變講就直接講不變講因為聽到兩國的默契我可以尊重這邊不方便去透露OK好那我接下來不變講的話請各位就主動提我覺得我們還是在一個原則在這裡質詢的跟被質詢的只有一個目標讓國家更好那現在就是說未來像這一種因為去可以跟其他國家\n\n17\n00:06:25,093 --> 00:06:48,686\n聯合演訓的機會台灣其實蠻缺乏這個那北方打擊根據美國那邊揭露的訊息北方打擊有好幾個國家參加這是難得的經驗那未來我們這樣子整建制的單位尤其聯兵營是一個最小的指揮單位跟以前排級聯級是不一樣甚至是培養未來高階的軍事將領非常好的機會未來這樣的營級單位的訓練有沒有計畫在擴大\n\n18\n00:06:52,287 --> 00:07:05,236\n主連我們依據狀況我們能夠強化一定強化,因為這是機會成為...會擴大規模嗎?比如說變成三個營、四個營?這下要看,譬如說人員這要多少,或者單位成績提高,這都在討論範圍以內。\n\n19\n00:07:07,117 --> 00:07:30,784\n目前還是兩個贏嘛那我接下來請教過去我們常會有一些總職教官我印象邱部長也到美國讀過嘛就我們派一些人到美國Virginia你好像是名人堂的校友然後到西點啊到哪裡到Annapolis常會我們發一個情形學了新觀念的總職回到台灣總職會遇到困難\n\n20\n00:07:31,983 --> 00:07:51,203\n水土會不服文化會挫折那現在整建制去美國受訓整個營去整個營回來未來這些回來的單位他是會成為總之教官出去還是他這個單位還就是一個新式訓練的單位全建制回來還是維持原單位我們目前計畫是什麼\n\n21\n00:07:52,608 --> 00:08:15,596\n報告委員,這兩種都有,他既然去受過訓,但他的經驗比我們一般沒有出去的人要多一點。但我原來有講到,有些受完訓回來以後不能適應下幹什麼,主要原因在什麼?因為我出國受過訓,我知道他們的心態。所以我一直跟他們講說,你不管國外再好,人家再強大,你不要忘了你的腳站在哪裡。\n\n22\n00:08:16,736 --> 00:08:42,948\n所以這一句話我覺得好像跟大家都適用所以說人員他是接受的訓練他經驗豐富回來以後我們不管他派到其他單位去做一個失職或在原單位維持的戰力都可以做但目前我們都樂見嘛那個水土不服有時候造成人才的是不會浪費掉我倒覺得一個新訓單位回來以後越來越多的新訓單位那我們的戰力會提升嘛我最後借兩分鐘問\n\n23\n00:08:44,309 --> 00:08:44,489\n王定宇\n\n24\n00:09:04,062 --> 00:09:30,711\n大概是要去參加什麼樣的活動他不會來遠足啦也不是去郊遊就整台卡車載著往上陣跑這樣子那現在美軍在台灣最近有個話題是美國的海軍陸戰隊是不是永久駐台那五角大廈是沒有否認也沒有承認他就不評論然後呢之前有一次比較特別的是蔡英文總統去澎湖看我們的應該是陸軍的我們的特種部隊\n\n25\n00:09:32,312 --> 00:09:32,512\n李卓人議員\n\n26\n00:09:52,441 --> 00:10:12,436\n目前美軍在台灣的人員其實應該是相當多但是身份不像大家講的就是駐軍在這裡比方說最近剛通過的軍購案Link16有人講Link16就沒有Link22其實不是啊Link22就是在Link16北約在海軍上面往上加的他其實是\n\n27\n00:10:13,525 --> 00:10:13,826\n李卓人議員\n\n28\n00:10:24,380 --> 00:10:42,778\n也會有5年期的計畫相當多的軍事技術顧問常駐台灣5年這個都是揭露過的訊息我才在那邊提所以目前部長我請教美方相關的軍事人員在台灣數量跟以往比起來是不是有相當大的增加\n\n29\n00:10:43,598 --> 00:11:12,096\n我跟委員報告,基本上這都在一個交流的一環,所以人數,沒有什麼增減的問題,但他來的平次會比較增加。平次是來來去去,我現在講的是,我講的是比如說進駐一年期的,五年期的。沒有進駐的部隊,我這絕對可以肯定,他沒有進駐部隊,他來有參加什麼協定,他做哪個科目,給他的經驗給予我們做一個說明,這對我們來講是有幫助的。\n\n30\n00:11:13,537 --> 00:11:14,638\n邱國正報告業務概況：王定宇\n\n31\n00:11:32,850 --> 00:11:33,010\n謝謝部長謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n650\t23390\t麻煩邱部長請邱部長召委好謝謝部長辛苦了我們在這個委員會這麼長久的時間我花幾秒鐘我謝謝剛才陳永康委員他下午還說受教就尋答都為了國家好\n24349\t44244\t我們在這裡質詢官員不是為了讓誰難看甚至於像徵訊犯人一樣不是我們就算不同黨派都是希望為了國家好所以該講那個聯合圖像的事情其實是很重要的武器越先進精準度越高陸海空潛艦部隊你要打擊同一個目標\n45525\t69412\t說出來的那個誤差值差別如果大的話當然就會失去精準所以那是一個重要的非常重要的議題那我們也非常謝謝陳委員來到我們委員會所帶來的新氣象那我們今天也聽到了談到這個邊線筆我還提了妥善率我自己從六聯隊退下來P3C跟E2P3跟E2那個參謀長先不用上來\n73097\t98877\t坦白講這兩個飛機對台灣很重要但是妥善率到底如何我覺得參謀長要好好掌握不只戰機整個戰力他不是只有我們看得到的F16一般人沒有注意到的我常講像海軍陸軍陸軍在地上走海軍出海好幾天看不到的其實也很辛苦整體的戰力很重要你反潛的\n100509\t119465\t余景的他提供的C4ISR的平台的整合才有最前線官兵第一線看起來很刺激很炫麗的東西這個都很重要所以這些妥善率我覺得我們這個會期可以花點時間來看看各軍種那有的可能是經費問題我們常常投入大量的錢\n120926\t121607\t王定宇王定宇\n136616\t136836\t李卓人議員\n163267\t188296\t這個總統改選其實是三軍統帥對我們國防部來講就是三軍統帥我是請教部長因為在2月19號已經責成蕭美琴副總統當選人來做所謂的交接小組的召集人那交接大家看到了以為是總統府的交接而已其實我個人認為在安全事項的交接其實比國之喜那一顆印章\n189196\t208950\t還重要因為那個是重責大任部長如果不方便講的我可以尊重目前是不是已經啟動了對下任三軍統帥的交接的彙報那又要無縫接軌縱使是同一個黨繼續執政這個交接蠻重要的部長目前有沒有這相關的作業進度\n209710\t233798\t我跟委員報告,因為我在軍中服務蠻久的,幾任統賽有這個更迭,我們都有經歷過。我的印象就是說,有新任統賽要來之前,通常國防部會做一個很簡單的報告。但我後來跟他們講,你們做好準備,但我沒有積極去問,哪一天來,什麼時候來,沒有邀約,因為我也擔憂啊,會造成誤會,好像我要把人拉過來幹什麼。\n234958\t256277\t邱部長不是一個求官的人,你很認真在做,所以我剛才講說有些事情就是一件事,三軍統帥要進入狀況,山東的狀況,整體的狀況,我的意思是說我們現在國防部有備變了是不是?我們也做好準備,怎麼樣讓新任統帥了解,最短時間了解一般國軍整體的概況。開始進行相關的匯報了沒?\n259781\t283441\t我跟委員報告一下,我們通常講說像今天下午我做的定期匯報有參與人員他會調,在這種當中對研究人員的接觸,但不便講得很清楚但是我覺得我們國軍能夠做準備已經在準備當中那現在要獲得哪邊要強化,我們也陸續要了解當中但不管怎麼樣,這個任務的接軌\n284462\t284682\t李卓人議員\n309512\t330580\t從我們空軍去亞利桑那陸客到貨商或者早期的海軍陸戰隊會有一個排級單位到夏威夷這都公開資訊了那目前我們已經有兩個聯兵營到美國受訓一個是到密西根的聯訓中心甚至於還參加了北方打擊的一個聯合的軍演\n331340\t357193\t那另外呢夏威夷專案是陸軍裝甲五四兩旅這個是大概跟M1A2有關係也到美國受訓了目前訓練的狀況有沒有掌握我跟委員報告這都是一個雙方情報或者訓練交流的一環那麼委員會掌握跟報告登的大家都知道實況目前有關陸軍準備概況我請陸軍參謀長簡單說明好不好所以我們現在是全建制過去受訓嘛\n361555\t382711\t跟委員報告你不變講就直接講不變講因為聽到兩國的默契我可以尊重這邊不方便去透露OK好那我接下來不變講的話請各位就主動提我覺得我們還是在一個原則在這裡質詢的跟被質詢的只有一個目標讓國家更好那現在就是說未來像這一種因為去可以跟其他國家\n385093\t408686\t聯合演訓的機會台灣其實蠻缺乏這個那北方打擊根據美國那邊揭露的訊息北方打擊有好幾個國家參加這是難得的經驗那未來我們這樣子整建制的單位尤其聯兵營是一個最小的指揮單位跟以前排級聯級是不一樣甚至是培養未來高階的軍事將領非常好的機會未來這樣的營級單位的訓練有沒有計畫在擴大\n412287\t425236\t主連我們依據狀況我們能夠強化一定強化,因為這是機會成為...會擴大規模嗎?比如說變成三個營、四個營?這下要看,譬如說人員這要多少,或者單位成績提高,這都在討論範圍以內。\n427117\t450784\t目前還是兩個贏嘛那我接下來請教過去我們常會有一些總職教官我印象邱部長也到美國讀過嘛就我們派一些人到美國Virginia你好像是名人堂的校友然後到西點啊到哪裡到Annapolis常會我們發一個情形學了新觀念的總職回到台灣總職會遇到困難\n451983\t471203\t水土會不服文化會挫折那現在整建制去美國受訓整個營去整個營回來未來這些回來的單位他是會成為總之教官出去還是他這個單位還就是一個新式訓練的單位全建制回來還是維持原單位我們目前計畫是什麼\n472608\t495596\t報告委員,這兩種都有,他既然去受過訓,但他的經驗比我們一般沒有出去的人要多一點。但我原來有講到,有些受完訓回來以後不能適應下幹什麼,主要原因在什麼?因為我出國受過訓,我知道他們的心態。所以我一直跟他們講說,你不管國外再好,人家再強大,你不要忘了你的腳站在哪裡。\n496736\t522948\t所以這一句話我覺得好像跟大家都適用所以說人員他是接受的訓練他經驗豐富回來以後我們不管他派到其他單位去做一個失職或在原單位維持的戰力都可以做但目前我們都樂見嘛那個水土不服有時候造成人才的是不會浪費掉我倒覺得一個新訓單位回來以後越來越多的新訓單位那我們的戰力會提升嘛我最後借兩分鐘問\n524309\t524489\t王定宇\n544062\t570711\t大概是要去參加什麼樣的活動他不會來遠足啦也不是去郊遊就整台卡車載著往上陣跑這樣子那現在美軍在台灣最近有個話題是美國的海軍陸戰隊是不是永久駐台那五角大廈是沒有否認也沒有承認他就不評論然後呢之前有一次比較特別的是蔡英文總統去澎湖看我們的應該是陸軍的我們的特種部隊\n572312\t572512\t李卓人議員\n592441\t612436\t目前美軍在台灣的人員其實應該是相當多但是身份不像大家講的就是駐軍在這裡比方說最近剛通過的軍購案Link 16有人講Link 16就沒有Link 22其實不是啊Link 22就是在Link 16北約在海軍上面往上加的他其實是\n613525\t613826\t李卓人議員\n624380\t642778\t也會有5年期的計畫相當多的軍事技術顧問常駐台灣5年這個都是揭露過的訊息我才在那邊提所以目前部長我請教美方相關的軍事人員在台灣數量跟以往比起來是不是有相當大的增加\n643598\t672096\t我跟委員報告,基本上這都在一個交流的一環,所以人數,沒有什麼增減的問題,但他來的平次會比較增加。平次是來來去去,我現在講的是,我講的是比如說進駐一年期的,五年期的。沒有進駐的部隊,我這絕對可以肯定,他沒有進駐部隊,他來有參加什麼協定,他做哪個科目,給他的經驗給予我們做一個說明,這對我們來講是有幫助的。\n673537\t674638\t邱國正報告業務概況：王定宇\n692850\t693010\t謝謝部長謝謝委員\n","txt":"麻煩邱部長請邱部長召委好謝謝部長辛苦了我們在這個委員會這麼長久的時間我花幾秒鐘我謝謝剛才陳永康委員他下午還說受教就尋答都為了國家好\n我們在這裡質詢官員不是為了讓誰難看甚至於像徵訊犯人一樣不是我們就算不同黨派都是希望為了國家好所以該講那個聯合圖像的事情其實是很重要的武器越先進精準度越高陸海空潛艦部隊你要打擊同一個目標\n說出來的那個誤差值差別如果大的話當然就會失去精準所以那是一個重要的非常重要的議題那我們也非常謝謝陳委員來到我們委員會所帶來的新氣象那我們今天也聽到了談到這個邊線筆我還提了妥善率我自己從六聯隊退下來P3C跟E2P3跟E2那個參謀長先不用上來\n坦白講這兩個飛機對台灣很重要但是妥善率到底如何我覺得參謀長要好好掌握不只戰機整個戰力他不是只有我們看得到的F16一般人沒有注意到的我常講像海軍陸軍陸軍在地上走海軍出海好幾天看不到的其實也很辛苦整體的戰力很重要你反潛的\n余景的他提供的C4ISR的平台的整合才有最前線官兵第一線看起來很刺激很炫麗的東西這個都很重要所以這些妥善率我覺得我們這個會期可以花點時間來看看各軍種那有的可能是經費問題我們常常投入大量的錢\n王定宇王定宇\n李卓人議員\n這個總統改選其實是三軍統帥對我們國防部來講就是三軍統帥我是請教部長因為在2月19號已經責成蕭美琴副總統當選人來做所謂的交接小組的召集人那交接大家看到了以為是總統府的交接而已其實我個人認為在安全事項的交接其實比國之喜那一顆印章\n還重要因為那個是重責大任部長如果不方便講的我可以尊重目前是不是已經啟動了對下任三軍統帥的交接的彙報那又要無縫接軌縱使是同一個黨繼續執政這個交接蠻重要的部長目前有沒有這相關的作業進度\n我跟委員報告,因為我在軍中服務蠻久的,幾任統賽有這個更迭,我們都有經歷過。我的印象就是說,有新任統賽要來之前,通常國防部會做一個很簡單的報告。但我後來跟他們講,你們做好準備,但我沒有積極去問,哪一天來,什麼時候來,沒有邀約,因為我也擔憂啊,會造成誤會,好像我要把人拉過來幹什麼。\n邱部長不是一個求官的人,你很認真在做,所以我剛才講說有些事情就是一件事,三軍統帥要進入狀況,山東的狀況,整體的狀況,我的意思是說我們現在國防部有備變了是不是?我們也做好準備,怎麼樣讓新任統帥了解,最短時間了解一般國軍整體的概況。開始進行相關的匯報了沒?\n我跟委員報告一下,我們通常講說像今天下午我做的定期匯報有參與人員他會調,在這種當中對研究人員的接觸,但不便講得很清楚但是我覺得我們國軍能夠做準備已經在準備當中那現在要獲得哪邊要強化,我們也陸續要了解當中但不管怎麼樣,這個任務的接軌\n李卓人議員\n從我們空軍去亞利桑那陸客到貨商或者早期的海軍陸戰隊會有一個排級單位到夏威夷這都公開資訊了那目前我們已經有兩個聯兵營到美國受訓一個是到密西根的聯訓中心甚至於還參加了北方打擊的一個聯合的軍演\n那另外呢夏威夷專案是陸軍裝甲五四兩旅這個是大概跟M1A2有關係也到美國受訓了目前訓練的狀況有沒有掌握我跟委員報告這都是一個雙方情報或者訓練交流的一環那麼委員會掌握跟報告登的大家都知道實況目前有關陸軍準備概況我請陸軍參謀長簡單說明好不好所以我們現在是全建制過去受訓嘛\n跟委員報告你不變講就直接講不變講因為聽到兩國的默契我可以尊重這邊不方便去透露OK好那我接下來不變講的話請各位就主動提我覺得我們還是在一個原則在這裡質詢的跟被質詢的只有一個目標讓國家更好那現在就是說未來像這一種因為去可以跟其他國家\n聯合演訓的機會台灣其實蠻缺乏這個那北方打擊根據美國那邊揭露的訊息北方打擊有好幾個國家參加這是難得的經驗那未來我們這樣子整建制的單位尤其聯兵營是一個最小的指揮單位跟以前排級聯級是不一樣甚至是培養未來高階的軍事將領非常好的機會未來這樣的營級單位的訓練有沒有計畫在擴大\n主連我們依據狀況我們能夠強化一定強化,因為這是機會成為...會擴大規模嗎?比如說變成三個營、四個營?這下要看,譬如說人員這要多少,或者單位成績提高,這都在討論範圍以內。\n目前還是兩個贏嘛那我接下來請教過去我們常會有一些總職教官我印象邱部長也到美國讀過嘛就我們派一些人到美國Virginia你好像是名人堂的校友然後到西點啊到哪裡到Annapolis常會我們發一個情形學了新觀念的總職回到台灣總職會遇到困難\n水土會不服文化會挫折那現在整建制去美國受訓整個營去整個營回來未來這些回來的單位他是會成為總之教官出去還是他這個單位還就是一個新式訓練的單位全建制回來還是維持原單位我們目前計畫是什麼\n報告委員,這兩種都有,他既然去受過訓,但他的經驗比我們一般沒有出去的人要多一點。但我原來有講到,有些受完訓回來以後不能適應下幹什麼,主要原因在什麼?因為我出國受過訓,我知道他們的心態。所以我一直跟他們講說,你不管國外再好,人家再強大,你不要忘了你的腳站在哪裡。\n所以這一句話我覺得好像跟大家都適用所以說人員他是接受的訓練他經驗豐富回來以後我們不管他派到其他單位去做一個失職或在原單位維持的戰力都可以做但目前我們都樂見嘛那個水土不服有時候造成人才的是不會浪費掉我倒覺得一個新訓單位回來以後越來越多的新訓單位那我們的戰力會提升嘛我最後借兩分鐘問\n王定宇\n大概是要去參加什麼樣的活動他不會來遠足啦也不是去郊遊就整台卡車載著往上陣跑這樣子那現在美軍在台灣最近有個話題是美國的海軍陸戰隊是不是永久駐台那五角大廈是沒有否認也沒有承認他就不評論然後呢之前有一次比較特別的是蔡英文總統去澎湖看我們的應該是陸軍的我們的特種部隊\n李卓人議員\n目前美軍在台灣的人員其實應該是相當多但是身份不像大家講的就是駐軍在這裡比方說最近剛通過的軍購案Link 16有人講Link 16就沒有Link 22其實不是啊Link 22就是在Link 16北約在海軍上面往上加的他其實是\n李卓人議員\n也會有5年期的計畫相當多的軍事技術顧問常駐台灣5年這個都是揭露過的訊息我才在那邊提所以目前部長我請教美方相關的軍事人員在台灣數量跟以往比起來是不是有相當大的增加\n我跟委員報告,基本上這都在一個交流的一環,所以人數,沒有什麼增減的問題,但他來的平次會比較增加。平次是來來去去,我現在講的是,我講的是比如說進駐一年期的,五年期的。沒有進駐的部隊,我這絕對可以肯定,他沒有進駐部隊,他來有參加什麼協定,他做哪個科目,給他的經驗給予我們做一個說明,這對我們來講是有幫助的。\n邱國正報告業務概況：王定宇\n謝謝部長謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.650 --> 00:23.390\n麻煩邱部長請邱部長召委好謝謝部長辛苦了我們在這個委員會這麼長久的時間我花幾秒鐘我謝謝剛才陳永康委員他下午還說受教就尋答都為了國家好\n\n00:24.349 --> 00:44.244\n我們在這裡質詢官員不是為了讓誰難看甚至於像徵訊犯人一樣不是我們就算不同黨派都是希望為了國家好所以該講那個聯合圖像的事情其實是很重要的武器越先進精準度越高陸海空潛艦部隊你要打擊同一個目標\n\n00:45.525 --> 01:09.412\n說出來的那個誤差值差別如果大的話當然就會失去精準所以那是一個重要的非常重要的議題那我們也非常謝謝陳委員來到我們委員會所帶來的新氣象那我們今天也聽到了談到這個邊線筆我還提了妥善率我自己從六聯隊退下來P3C跟E2P3跟E2那個參謀長先不用上來\n\n01:13.097 --> 01:38.877\n坦白講這兩個飛機對台灣很重要但是妥善率到底如何我覺得參謀長要好好掌握不只戰機整個戰力他不是只有我們看得到的F16一般人沒有注意到的我常講像海軍陸軍陸軍在地上走海軍出海好幾天看不到的其實也很辛苦整體的戰力很重要你反潛的\n\n01:40.509 --> 01:59.465\n余景的他提供的C4ISR的平台的整合才有最前線官兵第一線看起來很刺激很炫麗的東西這個都很重要所以這些妥善率我覺得我們這個會期可以花點時間來看看各軍種那有的可能是經費問題我們常常投入大量的錢\n\n02:00.926 --> 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