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00:03:11,709\n中國從今以後就更不透明更封閉了因為過往我們大家都知道中國的所有的會議都是已經決定好方向然後才開始在那邊照章演出啊那好不容易有個總理記者會就算你知道他期間要問什麼問題但你還是至少可以演一下嘛至少我可以在中間插幾個問題那他現在連這個對外的記者會都沒有了所以外媒一致的評價是中國越來越封閉\n\n10\n00:03:16,130 --> 00:03:28,458\n對我們而言的影響是什麼我們的影響是民主的威脅會更大因為民主的呈現就是多元的聲音包括像你看剛剛前面那個質詢的和我現在和我們等一下講的每個人意見都不一樣就同一個終極配偶的日極台灣的這個議題我們每個人10個人可能會有11個意見這就是台灣這就是民主可是中國永遠都只有一種聲音\n\n11\n00:03:39,364 --> 00:03:39,484\n蘇巧慧議員\n\n12\n00:04:09,304 --> 00:04:09,844\n中國籍配偶入籍台灣有哪些程序?\n\n13\n00:04:38,256 --> 00:04:51,443\n基本上當然他結婚之後呢他可以申請來台灣團聚團聚之後就可以說開始進入流程嘛進居留之後就可以長期居留長期居留之後才有所謂定居所以你看其實我們這邊有很多嘛有好多個關卡我們把每一個關卡的話就用一個黑點點這樣拉起來的話1234中國籍配偶取得身份證的程序有4個關卡\n\n14\n00:05:01,787 --> 00:05:18,634\n外配因為我們台灣特殊國情的狀況我們把所有的外籍配偶又區分為中國籍配偶和中國籍以外的統稱為外配所以在本縣我們會稱之為中配跟外配中配是四個關卡你看外配要取得身份證有幾個黑點\n\n15\n00:05:20,094 --> 00:05:47,813\n太多了吧這個一看數學問題嘛剛剛不是一直要問數學問題嗎主委上面有幾個黑點下面有幾個黑點數學問題差很多吧這個關卡就差很多格啊不管是條件不管是期限中國籍配偶跟外國籍配偶要取得身份證的關卡從數字就不一樣多條件也不一樣好那我們剛剛其實這幾天坊間已經幫我們做出了非常多的表格齁\n\n16\n00:05:48,773 --> 00:06:13,462\n這包括了包括了這個我們還可以再考一個啦來來來我們下一個下一個下一張圖片主委你看一下這張考卷這張考卷第一問題一中華民國總統是由誰直接投票選舉產生的一中華民國自由地區全體人民二立法委員三直轄縣市長答案是什麼一啦齁可以啦齁好一二三四五你覺得這張考卷是在考什麼\n\n17\n00:06:15,965 --> 00:06:34,033\n這張考卷是什麼考卷?這不是在考公職人員喔這張考卷是我們的外籍配偶規劃考試要去考的耶可是這個也不對嗎?老實講全世界大部分的國家在你要申請該國國籍規劃考試的時候都有像這樣的筆試\n\n18\n00:06:35,333 --> 00:06:49,328\n表彰你對該國的瞭解你對語言的認知已經進入該國生活水平的狀況對不對那甚至有些國家還有口試阿所以這個跟大家都一樣嘛好這是外配阿中配要不要中配不用阿中配不用這個考試阿\n\n19\n00:06:54,474 --> 00:06:54,894\n法定人數不足\n\n20\n00:07:09,648 --> 00:07:24,294\n最重要因為時代不同我們這個外配中配入籍台灣制度已經推很久了嘛所以依據時間的不同其實大家著重的重點不一樣你知道現在外籍配最看重的條件是哪一件嗎要不要放棄國籍\n\n21\n00:07:27,850 --> 00:07:46,935\n他們現在不管任何國家不管中國不管是越南泰國任何國家啦要決定申請要不要申請中華民國身份證也就是取得我國國籍的這一個項目裡面他們考量最大是什麼是考量要不要放棄他的母國國籍啊\n\n22\n00:07:48,994 --> 00:08:03,986\n對阿因為現在其他國家東南亞甚至我們常說東南亞他們的國家的經濟水平等等也都越來越好那我為什麼要放棄我的母國國籍差別很大可是誰不用考慮要不要放棄國籍中國籍配偶不用考慮阿\n\n23\n00:08:04,994 --> 00:08:33,052\n他只要放棄戶籍就好啦所以剛剛在這裡其他的委員有新住民的委員在說的除了年限申請年限說中配希望比照外配之外他其實沒有說出口的就是外配也希望比照中配我可以不用放棄國籍啊但是全世界非常多的國家也是是這樣狀況不要說別的中華人民共和國的國籍法第8條就規定中國不允許雙重國籍的啊不是這樣嗎\n\n24\n00:08:35,187 --> 00:08:58,393\n中國不允許雙重國籍嗎?對那我們呢?所以你覺得到目前為止我們中配和外配的規劃制度你認為如何?基本上我想我要再誠懇的跟委員還有各委員會報告這樣的一個議題呢真的會是潘朵大的盒子他會讓中配跟外配還有其他的\n\n25\n00:08:59,233 --> 00:09:07,076\n會有更多的比較進來這一比就比不完啊所以我說這個真的是要比較利弊得失啦不要把這個變成陸配變成是一個國人而且據我的了解我去調資料我去了解了以後其實我們的外配是4年到8年平均是6.5年所謂60個名額外配是一個名額一個都沒有啊一個都沒有啊他要投資一名才可以啊\n\n26\n00:09:28,284 --> 00:09:45,011\n所以這個問題很大我們是希望能夠比較利弊得失所以在我剛剛一開始也報告了就是說在101年其實馬政府的時候他就提出了草案但是105又再度提出結果兩次還是都沒有通過所以說他真的需要社會的共識不要因為這樣子\n\n27\n00:09:49,333 --> 00:10:13,267\n我完全同意這個都可以討論任何制度國家政策都可以討論但是需要有全民共識我完全贊同所以我必須用今天的時間再另外提出一點跟社會討論的部分也聽你的答案現在在野黨在主張這個議題的時候除了剛剛的公平性之外另外一個就是主張說因為我們要向全球搶人才所以人才入籍條件要放寬請問你認為搶人才跟本件有關聯性嗎\n\n28\n00:10:14,963 --> 00:10:23,246\n沒有吧今天我們這題在討論的是配偶搶人才怎麼會用婚姻來做討論呢我們搶人才我們有我們國發會的這種金庫啊的人才的專案等等啊其實是相當多的嘛所以我覺得所有的議題都可以討論但不應該混為一談而且優劣利低應該要站在一起並且把我們已經提出的善意向社會各界具體的表述那大家來看嘛\n\n29\n00:10:42,054 --> 00:10:43,216\n非常謝謝蘇晨惠委員的質詢也謝謝我們主委的回應謝謝您繼續我們請張宏路委員質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5692\t7794\t謝謝主席我們請邱主委我們請邱主委謝謝\n18749\t23351\t主委辛苦了齁 這個這個掐頭去尾的這種丟問題不給回答的方法 老實說應該你剛剛還能夠回答我是蠻敬佩的啦 因為我在下面準備諮詢稿我已經整個亂掉了都不知道他剛剛自己要問什麼都亂掉了所以你剛剛還可以回答我蠻敬佩的啦\n38317\t43542\t這個如果立法委員質詢當然是我們的天職啊但是如果立法委員的談話齁都只有謾罵或者是只有丟問題丟了就跑我看她啊沒有人要做中華民國的官員了啦對啦啊好啦我現在也是在整理我的思維啦\n58460\t66867\t主委我們現在回來我的題目主委我們現在重新進入綠委會應該要負責任的部分我們來問問看中國的題目中國的題目就這兩天前兩天中國的政協和人大兩會都召開了而且昨天晚上習近平發表談話了\n76094\t96494\t昨天在備詢的時候主委你說我現在還無法下論斷當時是在回答我們高級委員的時候你說李強的報告三足和平統一和平兩個字的時候你說你們還沒有辦法下論斷那現在昨天晚上習近平講話啦那現在你有沒有辦法告訴我們你有什麼看法\n97454\t118820\t第一個是這樣因為當時我還沒有完整的看完李強縱使他很多人關注到他掃掉所謂和平統一其實他前面那句話是希望能夠和平發展最後才所謂的完成祖國的統一所以他在完成祖國的統一掃掉和平但是他在前面那句話其實已經講希望雙方能夠和平發展\n119940\t120100\t蘇巧慧\n141741\t169682\t主委你現在的講法其實是跟我等一下要問的其實都是同一個脈絡就是你其實是帶著善意的眼光在看對方是我們台灣一直一直就是用善意的角度在跟希望可以跟中國往來互動喔我們是希望往來互動的喔但是老實講我自己的觀察是這樣啦事實上連昨天的紐約時報都已經說了這個取消總理記者會就是中國關上了最後一扇小窗\n170582\t191709\t中國從今以後就更不透明更封閉了因為過往我們大家都知道中國的所有的會議都是已經決定好方向然後才開始在那邊照章演出啊那好不容易有個總理記者會就算你知道他期間要問什麼問題但你還是至少可以演一下嘛至少我可以在中間插幾個問題那他現在連這個對外的記者會都沒有了所以外媒一致的評價是中國越來越封閉\n196130\t208458\t對我們而言的影響是什麼我們的影響是民主的威脅會更大因為民主的呈現就是多元的聲音包括像你看剛剛前面那個質詢的和我現在和我們等一下講的每個人意見都不一樣就同一個終極配偶的日極台灣的這個議題我們每個人10個人可能會有11個意見這就是台灣這就是民主可是中國永遠都只有一種聲音\n219364\t219484\t蘇巧慧議員\n249304\t249844\t中國籍配偶入籍台灣有哪些程序?\n278256\t291443\t基本上當然他結婚之後呢他可以申請來台灣團聚團聚之後就可以說開始進入流程嘛進居留之後就可以長期居留長期居留之後才有所謂定居所以你看其實我們這邊有很多嘛有好多個關卡我們把每一個關卡的話就用一個黑點點這樣拉起來的話1234中國籍配偶取得身份證的程序有4個關卡\n301787\t318634\t外配 因為我們台灣特殊國情的狀況我們把所有的外籍配偶又區分為中國籍配偶和中國籍以外的統稱為外配所以在本縣我們會稱之為中配跟外配中配是四個關卡 你看外配要取得身份證有幾個黑點\n320094\t347813\t太多了吧 這個一看數學問題嘛剛剛不是一直要問數學問題嗎 主委上面有幾個黑點下面有幾個黑點數學問題差很多吧 這個關卡就差很多格啊不管是條件 不管是期限中國籍配偶跟外國籍配偶要取得身份證的關卡從數字就不一樣多條件也不一樣好 那我們剛剛其實這幾天坊間已經幫我們做出了非常多的表格齁\n348773\t373462\t這包括了包括了這個我們還可以再考一個啦來來來我們下一個下一個下一張圖片主委你看一下這張考卷這張考卷第一問題一中華民國總統是由誰直接投票選舉產生的一中華民國自由地區全體人民二立法委員三直轄縣市長答案是什麼一啦齁可以啦齁好一二三四五你覺得這張考卷是在考什麼\n375965\t394033\t這張考卷是什麼考卷?這不是在考公職人員喔這張考卷是我們的外籍配偶規劃考試要去考的耶可是這個也不對嗎?老實講全世界大部分的國家在你要申請該國國籍規劃考試的時候都有像這樣的筆試\n395333\t409328\t表彰你對該國的瞭解你對語言的認知已經進入該國生活水平的狀況對不對那甚至有些國家還有口試阿所以這個跟大家都一樣嘛好這是外配阿中配要不要中配不用阿中配不用這個考試阿\n414474\t414894\t法定人數不足\n429648\t444294\t最重要因為時代不同我們這個外配中配入籍台灣制度已經推很久了嘛所以依據時間的不同其實大家著重的重點不一樣你知道現在外籍配最看重的條件是哪一件嗎要不要放棄國籍\n447850\t466935\t他們現在不管任何國家不管中國不管是越南泰國任何國家啦要決定申請要不要申請中華民國身份證也就是取得我國國籍的這一個項目裡面他們考量最大是什麼是考量要不要放棄他的母國國籍啊\n468994\t483986\t對阿因為現在其他國家東南亞甚至我們常說東南亞他們的國家的經濟水平等等也都越來越好那我為什麼要放棄我的母國國籍差別很大可是誰不用考慮要不要放棄國籍中國籍配偶不用考慮阿\n484994\t513052\t他只要放棄戶籍就好啦所以剛剛在這裡其他的委員有新住民的委員在說的除了年限 申請年限說中配希望比照外配之外他其實沒有說出口的就是外配也希望比照中配我可以不用放棄國籍啊但是全世界非常多的國家也是是這樣狀況不要說別的中華人民共和國的國籍法第8條就規定中國不允許雙重國籍的啊不是這樣嗎\n515187\t538393\t中國不允許雙重國籍嗎?對那我們呢?所以你覺得到目前為止我們中配和外配的規劃制度你認為如何?基本上我想我要再誠懇的跟委員還有各委員會報告這樣的一個議題呢真的會是潘朵大的盒子他會讓中配跟外配還有其他的\n539233\t547076\t會有更多的比較進來這一比就比不完啊所以我說這個真的是要比較利弊得失啦不要把這個變成陸配變成是一個國人而且據我的了解我去調資料我去了解了以後其實我們的外配是4年到8年平均是6.5年所謂60個名額外配是一個名額一個都沒有啊一個都沒有啊他要投資一名才可以啊\n568284\t585011\t所以這個問題很大我們是希望能夠比較利弊得失所以在我剛剛一開始也報告了就是說在101年其實馬政府的時候他就提出了草案但是105又再度提出結果兩次還是都沒有通過所以說他真的需要社會的共識不要因為這樣子\n589333\t613267\t我完全同意這個都可以討論任何制度國家政策都可以討論但是需要有全民共識我完全贊同所以我必須用今天的時間再另外提出一點跟社會討論的部分也聽你的答案現在在野黨在主張這個議題的時候除了剛剛的公平性之外另外一個就是主張說因為我們要向全球搶人才所以人才入籍條件要放寬請問你認為搶人才跟本件有關聯性嗎\n614963\t623246\t沒有吧今天我們這題在討論的是配偶搶人才怎麼會用婚姻來做討論呢我們搶人才我們有我們國發會的這種金庫啊的人才的專案等等啊其實是相當多的嘛所以我覺得所有的議題都可以討論但不應該混為一談而且優劣利低應該要站在一起並且把我們已經提出的善意向社會各界具體的表述那大家來看嘛\n642054\t643216\t非常謝謝蘇晨惠委員的質詢也謝謝我們主委的回應謝謝您繼續我們請張宏路委員質詢\n","txt":"謝謝主席我們請邱主委我們請邱主委謝謝\n主委辛苦了齁 這個這個掐頭去尾的這種丟問題不給回答的方法 老實說應該你剛剛還能夠回答我是蠻敬佩的啦 因為我在下面準備諮詢稿我已經整個亂掉了都不知道他剛剛自己要問什麼都亂掉了所以你剛剛還可以回答我蠻敬佩的啦\n這個如果立法委員質詢當然是我們的天職啊但是如果立法委員的談話齁都只有謾罵或者是只有丟問題丟了就跑我看她啊沒有人要做中華民國的官員了啦對啦啊好啦我現在也是在整理我的思維啦\n主委我們現在回來我的題目主委我們現在重新進入綠委會應該要負責任的部分我們來問問看中國的題目中國的題目就這兩天前兩天中國的政協和人大兩會都召開了而且昨天晚上習近平發表談話了\n昨天在備詢的時候主委你說我現在還無法下論斷當時是在回答我們高級委員的時候你說李強的報告三足和平統一和平兩個字的時候你說你們還沒有辦法下論斷那現在昨天晚上習近平講話啦那現在你有沒有辦法告訴我們你有什麼看法\n第一個是這樣因為當時我還沒有完整的看完李強縱使他很多人關注到他掃掉所謂和平統一其實他前面那句話是希望能夠和平發展最後才所謂的完成祖國的統一所以他在完成祖國的統一掃掉和平但是他在前面那句話其實已經講希望雙方能夠和平發展\n蘇巧慧\n主委你現在的講法其實是跟我等一下要問的其實都是同一個脈絡就是你其實是帶著善意的眼光在看對方是我們台灣一直一直就是用善意的角度在跟希望可以跟中國往來互動喔我們是希望往來互動的喔但是老實講我自己的觀察是這樣啦事實上連昨天的紐約時報都已經說了這個取消總理記者會就是中國關上了最後一扇小窗\n中國從今以後就更不透明更封閉了因為過往我們大家都知道中國的所有的會議都是已經決定好方向然後才開始在那邊照章演出啊那好不容易有個總理記者會就算你知道他期間要問什麼問題但你還是至少可以演一下嘛至少我可以在中間插幾個問題那他現在連這個對外的記者會都沒有了所以外媒一致的評價是中國越來越封閉\n對我們而言的影響是什麼我們的影響是民主的威脅會更大因為民主的呈現就是多元的聲音包括像你看剛剛前面那個質詢的和我現在和我們等一下講的每個人意見都不一樣就同一個終極配偶的日極台灣的這個議題我們每個人10個人可能會有11個意見這就是台灣這就是民主可是中國永遠都只有一種聲音\n蘇巧慧議員\n中國籍配偶入籍台灣有哪些程序?\n基本上當然他結婚之後呢他可以申請來台灣團聚團聚之後就可以說開始進入流程嘛進居留之後就可以長期居留長期居留之後才有所謂定居所以你看其實我們這邊有很多嘛有好多個關卡我們把每一個關卡的話就用一個黑點點這樣拉起來的話1234中國籍配偶取得身份證的程序有4個關卡\n外配 因為我們台灣特殊國情的狀況我們把所有的外籍配偶又區分為中國籍配偶和中國籍以外的統稱為外配所以在本縣我們會稱之為中配跟外配中配是四個關卡 你看外配要取得身份證有幾個黑點\n太多了吧 這個一看數學問題嘛剛剛不是一直要問數學問題嗎 主委上面有幾個黑點下面有幾個黑點數學問題差很多吧 這個關卡就差很多格啊不管是條件 不管是期限中國籍配偶跟外國籍配偶要取得身份證的關卡從數字就不一樣多條件也不一樣好 那我們剛剛其實這幾天坊間已經幫我們做出了非常多的表格齁\n這包括了包括了這個我們還可以再考一個啦來來來我們下一個下一個下一張圖片主委你看一下這張考卷這張考卷第一問題一中華民國總統是由誰直接投票選舉產生的一中華民國自由地區全體人民二立法委員三直轄縣市長答案是什麼一啦齁可以啦齁好一二三四五你覺得這張考卷是在考什麼\n這張考卷是什麼考卷?這不是在考公職人員喔這張考卷是我們的外籍配偶規劃考試要去考的耶可是這個也不對嗎?老實講全世界大部分的國家在你要申請該國國籍規劃考試的時候都有像這樣的筆試\n表彰你對該國的瞭解你對語言的認知已經進入該國生活水平的狀況對不對那甚至有些國家還有口試阿所以這個跟大家都一樣嘛好這是外配阿中配要不要中配不用阿中配不用這個考試阿\n法定人數不足\n最重要因為時代不同我們這個外配中配入籍台灣制度已經推很久了嘛所以依據時間的不同其實大家著重的重點不一樣你知道現在外籍配最看重的條件是哪一件嗎要不要放棄國籍\n他們現在不管任何國家不管中國不管是越南泰國任何國家啦要決定申請要不要申請中華民國身份證也就是取得我國國籍的這一個項目裡面他們考量最大是什麼是考量要不要放棄他的母國國籍啊\n對阿因為現在其他國家東南亞甚至我們常說東南亞他們的國家的經濟水平等等也都越來越好那我為什麼要放棄我的母國國籍差別很大可是誰不用考慮要不要放棄國籍中國籍配偶不用考慮阿\n他只要放棄戶籍就好啦所以剛剛在這裡其他的委員有新住民的委員在說的除了年限 申請年限說中配希望比照外配之外他其實沒有說出口的就是外配也希望比照中配我可以不用放棄國籍啊但是全世界非常多的國家也是是這樣狀況不要說別的中華人民共和國的國籍法第8條就規定中國不允許雙重國籍的啊不是這樣嗎\n中國不允許雙重國籍嗎?對那我們呢?所以你覺得到目前為止我們中配和外配的規劃制度你認為如何?基本上我想我要再誠懇的跟委員還有各委員會報告這樣的一個議題呢真的會是潘朵大的盒子他會讓中配跟外配還有其他的\n會有更多的比較進來這一比就比不完啊所以我說這個真的是要比較利弊得失啦不要把這個變成陸配變成是一個國人而且據我的了解我去調資料我去了解了以後其實我們的外配是4年到8年平均是6.5年所謂60個名額外配是一個名額一個都沒有啊一個都沒有啊他要投資一名才可以啊\n所以這個問題很大我們是希望能夠比較利弊得失所以在我剛剛一開始也報告了就是說在101年其實馬政府的時候他就提出了草案但是105又再度提出結果兩次還是都沒有通過所以說他真的需要社會的共識不要因為這樣子\n我完全同意這個都可以討論任何制度國家政策都可以討論但是需要有全民共識我完全贊同所以我必須用今天的時間再另外提出一點跟社會討論的部分也聽你的答案現在在野黨在主張這個議題的時候除了剛剛的公平性之外另外一個就是主張說因為我們要向全球搶人才所以人才入籍條件要放寬請問你認為搶人才跟本件有關聯性嗎\n沒有吧今天我們這題在討論的是配偶搶人才怎麼會用婚姻來做討論呢我們搶人才我們有我們國發會的這種金庫啊的人才的專案等等啊其實是相當多的嘛所以我覺得所有的議題都可以討論但不應該混為一談而且優劣利低應該要站在一起並且把我們已經提出的善意向社會各界具體的表述那大家來看嘛\n非常謝謝蘇晨惠委員的質詢也謝謝我們主委的回應謝謝您繼續我們請張宏路委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.692 --> 00:07.794\n謝謝主席我們請邱主委我們請邱主委謝謝\n\n00:18.749 --> 00:23.351\n主委辛苦了齁這個這個掐頭去尾的這種丟問題不給回答的方法老實說應該你剛剛還能夠回答我是蠻敬佩的啦因為我在下面準備諮詢稿我已經整個亂掉了都不知道他剛剛自己要問什麼都亂掉了所以你剛剛還可以回答我蠻敬佩的啦\n\n00:38.317 --> 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那我們剛剛其實這幾天坊間已經幫我們做出了非常多的表格齁"},{"start":348.773,"end":373.462,"text":"這包括了包括了這個我們還可以再考一個啦來來來我們下一個下一個下一張圖片主委你看一下這張考卷這張考卷第一問題一中華民國總統是由誰直接投票選舉產生的一中華民國自由地區全體人民二立法委員三直轄縣市長答案是什麼一啦齁可以啦齁好一二三四五你覺得這張考卷是在考什麼"},{"start":375.965,"end":394.033,"text":"這張考卷是什麼考卷?這不是在考公職人員喔這張考卷是我們的外籍配偶規劃考試要去考的耶可是這個也不對嗎?老實講全世界大部分的國家在你要申請該國國籍規劃考試的時候都有像這樣的筆試"},{"start":395.333,"end":409.328,"text":"表彰你對該國的瞭解你對語言的認知已經進入該國生活水平的狀況對不對那甚至有些國家還有口試阿所以這個跟大家都一樣嘛好這是外配阿中配要不要中配不用阿中配不用這個考試阿"},{"start":414.474,"end":414.894,"text":"法定人數不足"},{"start":429.648,"end":444.294,"text":"最重要因為時代不同我們這個外配中配入籍台灣制度已經推很久了嘛所以依據時間的不同其實大家著重的重點不一樣你知道現在外籍配最看重的條件是哪一件嗎要不要放棄國籍"},{"start":447.85,"end":466.935,"text":"他們現在不管任何國家不管中國不管是越南泰國任何國家啦要決定申請要不要申請中華民國身份證也就是取得我國國籍的這一個項目裡面他們考量最大是什麼是考量要不要放棄他的母國國籍啊"},{"start":468.994,"end":483.986,"text":"對阿因為現在其他國家東南亞甚至我們常說東南亞他們的國家的經濟水平等等也都越來越好那我為什麼要放棄我的母國國籍差別很大可是誰不用考慮要不要放棄國籍中國籍配偶不用考慮阿"},{"start":484.994,"end":513.052,"text":"他只要放棄戶籍就好啦所以剛剛在這裡其他的委員有新住民的委員在說的除了年限 申請年限說中配希望比照外配之外他其實沒有說出口的就是外配也希望比照中配我可以不用放棄國籍啊但是全世界非常多的國家也是是這樣狀況不要說別的中華人民共和國的國籍法第8條就規定中國不允許雙重國籍的啊不是這樣嗎"},{"start":515.187,"end":538.393,"text":"中國不允許雙重國籍嗎?對那我們呢?所以你覺得到目前為止我們中配和外配的規劃制度你認為如何?基本上我想我要再誠懇的跟委員還有各委員會報告這樣的一個議題呢真的會是潘朵大的盒子他會讓中配跟外配還有其他的"},{"start":539.233,"end":547.076,"text":"會有更多的比較進來這一比就比不完啊所以我說這個真的是要比較利弊得失啦不要把這個變成陸配變成是一個國人而且據我的了解我去調資料我去了解了以後其實我們的外配是4年到8年平均是6.5年所謂60個名額外配是一個名額一個都沒有啊一個都沒有啊他要投資一名才可以啊"},{"start":568.284,"end":585.011,"text":"所以這個問題很大我們是希望能夠比較利弊得失所以在我剛剛一開始也報告了就是說在101年其實馬政府的時候他就提出了草案但是105又再度提出結果兩次還是都沒有通過所以說他真的需要社會的共識不要因為這樣子"},{"start":589.333,"end":613.267,"text":"我完全同意這個都可以討論任何制度國家政策都可以討論但是需要有全民共識我完全贊同所以我必須用今天的時間再另外提出一點跟社會討論的部分也聽你的答案現在在野黨在主張這個議題的時候除了剛剛的公平性之外另外一個就是主張說因為我們要向全球搶人才所以人才入籍條件要放寬請問你認為搶人才跟本件有關聯性嗎"},{"start":614.963,"end":623.246,"text":"沒有吧今天我們這題在討論的是配偶搶人才怎麼會用婚姻來做討論呢我們搶人才我們有我們國發會的這種金庫啊的人才的專案等等啊其實是相當多的嘛所以我覺得所有的議題都可以討論但不應該混為一談而且優劣利低應該要站在一起並且把我們已經提出的善意向社會各界具體的表述那大家來看嘛"},{"start":642.054,"end":643.216,"text":"非常謝謝蘇晨惠委員的質詢也謝謝我們主委的回應謝謝您繼續我們請張宏路委員質詢"}]}}}}