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00:00:55,970\n那迎接新的一名的到來許多人都會許下新年心希望我們故宮當然也不例外作為對2024的展望院長你曾表示說北院希望今年能突破200萬人次那南院要突破100萬人次那南北院參觀的人次加總希望也達到350萬人次為目標請問院長是不是這樣你有沒有信心\n\n4\n00:01:02,272 --> 00:01:03,453\n國立故宮博物院院長蕭宗煌列席報告業務概況：林宜瑾\n\n5\n00:01:31,715 --> 00:01:32,195\n國立故宮博物院院長\n\n6\n00:01:54,167 --> 00:01:55,168\n故宮身為臺灣博物館龍頭．是一座國際知名博物館．\n\n7\n00:02:17,927 --> 00:02:21,648\n新年新希望觀展者經營開發故宮國保出遊區帳狀案辦理這些作為我們除了對故宮自身定位與角色的尋求外相當程度我們也是代表台灣展現在國際舞台上的態度\n\n8\n00:02:39,134 --> 00:02:46,138\n故宮點藏的是全人類的珍貴文化資產因為管理以及維護這樣的資產讓台灣有機會能夠跟各國進行交流\n\n9\n00:02:52,909 --> 00:03:13,342\n這是身處所謂我們在這個地我家縫間努力創造國際空間的台灣不可或缺的暖實力所以本席真的非常關心這個跨國博物館合作的問題那在實行前其實有跟辦公室有跟故宮做過初步的討論那知道說像今年9月\n\n10\n00:03:31,494 --> 00:03:49,333\n我看故宮跟國際博物館的合作計畫是一連串的預期一定相當精彩跟豐富那談到跨國博物館的合作我們就必須來進一步思考相關的倫理以及剛剛提到的故宮呈現在國際舞台上的態度\n\n11\n00:03:50,074 --> 00:04:18,003\n那我想我們先前就我跟進一步請教如果我們要進行跨國博物館的合作我們必須要考量什麼樣的面向那故宮給我們的回應是說第一跨國博物館合作的前提是要司法的保障也就是確保文物借展之後能夠安全返台第二我們要評估它的經濟效益那再來我們要確保文物的運送這個展覽過程中的安全性\n\n12\n00:04:18,943 --> 00:04:39,825\n故宮對於文物安全與完整性的重視這一點其實相當重要本席也非常認同所以不過我們目前跟我們合作的國家並沒有無所不用其極要打壓台灣的國際空間而且高舉對台灣侵略意圖的國家換句話說假設跨國博物館的合作一旦遇到了中國\n\n13\n00:04:40,686 --> 00:04:42,627\n關於加強兩岸故宮博物院交流與合作的建議\n\n14\n00:04:59,938 --> 00:05:23,184\n他的論述是說兩岸故宮兼務著兩岸同胞講好中國的故事要傳遞文化認同感的時代使命並且希望讓海外客群對兩岸故宮形成統一的認知最終也希望達成所謂經台深度融合與交流再來就要請教院長了\n\n15\n00:05:24,431 --> 00:05:38,772\n第一是否認同中國假借文物之名行文化統戰之實把博物館當成是政治工具的行為那第二我們台灣故宮有沒有促進台灣人對\n\n16\n00:05:40,094 --> 00:06:09,027\n中國產生認同感的使命第三這個故宮文物到底是屬於中國還是屬於全人類的文化資產最後要請教的是那如果遇到中國這樣單方面的放話那並提出種種要跟我們故宮做交流這樣的計畫那我們到底有沒有實際的作為來捍衛對等跟尊嚴避免其他國家對台灣跟中國之間的關係有誤解\n\n17\n00:06:13,658 --> 00:06:26,555\n台灣是一個自由民族,即是既有非常深厚文化軟實力的國家當然兩岸的文化交流有助於兩岸民眾的相互了解基本上來講的話\n\n18\n00:06:29,078 --> 00:06:29,258\n林宜瑾議員\n\n19\n00:06:48,951 --> 00:06:50,132\n提出這樣的建議的話基本上來講的話他當然也是拋出一個議題\n\n20\n00:07:12,174 --> 00:07:39,856\n所以是不是這樣就統戰的話基本上來講的話我想我們也不見得說一定要這樣把他指涉可是他是明明就很清楚的講說這個要透過這樣的一個合作要對這個兩岸故宮形成統一的認知這是他這個這樣子產出的故宮的文物基本上來講的話是屬於台灣這一塊土地為什麼呢因為在\n\n21\n00:07:41,597 --> 00:07:48,066\n在那個行政的跨國上面的話這批東西的話是屬於中華民國政府\n\n22\n00:07:49,145 --> 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