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00:01:07,973\n院長早這是我首次進行故宮業務的質詢首先想要向您請教我的辦公室前幾天向故宮索資但是一直等到昨天下午資料才陸續回覆據瞭解也有不少委員遇到類似的情況\n\n4\n00:01:09,933 --> 00:01:29,760\n根據我們的理解也收到一些消息說是因為您週二整天待在立院無法簽合公文的緣故雖然中午休息時間據稱您還特地趕回故宮來處理公務但應該有不少的立委辦公室跟我們一樣都非常晚取得資料想請教一下院長這個我們數位的時代\n\n5\n00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:52,308\n處理公文應該有不少的數位工具可以來使用加速公文的流程讓立院與故宮的往來可以更加的便利剛剛我也在交通委員會質詢了唐鳳部長有關電子簽章的這個推行想請教部長未來這個公文可不可以更快是難道一定要撤碼回故宮蓋玉席所以才花那麼多時間嗎\n\n6\n00:01:55,964 --> 00:02:02,528\n在立法院的時候對任何一個立法委員的執行我們都是要悉心聆聽\n\n7\n00:02:05,794 --> 00:02:06,274\n謝謝不好意思打斷\n\n8\n00:02:29,022 --> 00:02:51,282\n我想下一次我想公文的往來希望可以更有效率同時也呼籲希望可以導入電子簽章電子公文還有相關的公文的往返也希望給我們一個更好的一個時間的癒化院長您是博物館學者也是經營博物館的專家我十分的期待用科技壓財的角度來跟您互動交流也希望透過今天的質詢我們今天彼此都能夠有收穫\n\n9\n00:02:52,043 --> 00:03:19,879\n回顧10年來故宮的參觀人數我們來看下一張對就是這一張從2014年的540萬人到2016年最高峰614萬人2021年參觀人數降到10年來的最低只有115萬人降幅達到了81%這10年來的參觀人數可以說是巨大的變化那我們可以看到你們有提出來希望2024年故宮達成350萬參觀人數可是我們可以看到一二月的人數加起來是45萬人\n\n10\n00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:31,191\n如果我們來這個等比例放大來幫你們推估的話大概可能無法達到甚至可能也沒有機會重返或突破2016年的614萬人想確認一下院長這個350萬人的參觀人數的目標還在嗎614萬人有沒有機會突破\n\n11\n00:03:39,751 --> 00:03:55,683\n三百五十萬的話是我們的目標但是六百多萬的話肯定是沒有辦法突破因為時空環境不同好謝謝院長我想我們都一起來努力不過我的態度相對的比較悲觀不管是三百五十萬還是六百萬因為近年來\n\n12\n00:03:56,583 --> 00:04:21,153\n博物館要吸引民眾入館參觀的難度可以說是越來越高由於這個opengalleryopenlibraryopenmuseum的世界趨勢我們來看下一張博物館的館藏被認為是具有公共屬性的資料因此被期待能夠加速更加速多元的開放給公共使用目的是促進知識的流通還有大眾的福祉\n\n13\n00:04:22,713 --> 00:04:48,022\n相信不遠的將來民眾只要使用電腦手機平板甚至是我手上這一台是Apple剛推出的VisionPro所謂空間運算的裝置也就是下一個世代的電腦很可能會人手一台每個民眾都可以隨時隨地的穿越任何場域參觀任何的博物館想請問一下院長您認為這樣的現象會促使民眾更有意願親自到博物館看展\n\n14\n00:04:48,602 --> 00:05:10,557\n還是民眾透過智慧穿戴裝置看完了就不再想去博物館參觀了我想如果是數位是一個工具的話那基本上來講我們當然期待是觀眾透過數位工具可以了解博物館的內涵之後然後可以親身到博物館裡面去親自這些文物當場去檢視這些文物我想這是我們的期待\n\n15\n00:05:10,657 --> 00:05:24,667\n好很好謝謝我想我們有一致的看法不過我想這個其實還是需要經過很多的努力除了擁抱數位以外還要這個做得很好我們看到根據資料2022年故宮曾經與8位原創插畫家合作開發新型態的文化創意生成品NFT我想這個NFT其實是數位商品這個算是一種轉型轉型的規劃方案更多元的\n\n16\n00:05:40,738 --> 00:05:59,953\n過去故宮的電商賣了五千多萬還是算不錯那希望還是持續的精進加強這一台這個VisionPro民眾只要眨個眼就可以買商品了如果眨個眼買的商品如果是數位的商品連運貨都不用但是呢我們2022年的相關的合作跟Rutex這個NFT\n\n17\n00:06:01,414 --> 00:06:24,012\n成立故宮精品NFT品牌商城利益良好啦我作為阿宅我還是給予鼓勵但是推出的12款NFT商品只賣出了6款收入只有23.6萬新台幣故宮在NFT這一塊做得早給予鼓勵我是支持的但是做得不夠好如果做得不夠好就沒有辦法達到虛擬世界愛上這些文物的人呢\n\n18\n00:06:24,572 --> 00:06:42,908\n來到我們的實體世界來看我們來看幾個例子2021的9月東宮博物館跟幣安NFT合作以NFT的形式來拍賣重量級館藏的數位複製品此次拍賣籌集的45萬的BUSD也就是幣安美元他甚至還接受虛擬貨幣的購買\n\n19\n00:06:44,990 --> 00:07:01,715\n2020年的9月大英博物館推出了第一個NFT的系列拍賣了200張以日本服事會大師葛氏北齋作品我們看一下那個葛氏北齋的作品那三張很漂亮這個浪潮這個電腦看起來可能這個對文化還在吸收當中\n\n20\n00:07:03,315 --> 00:07:27,576\n不只賣得非常的好：甚至在7月進一步和這個所謂的元宇宙遊戲平台Sandbox合作大英博物館授權他們來做這個NFT的收藏跟沉浸式的體驗空間我想這個接下來應該要一起來努力希望想請教一下院長關於這樣的一個數位的沉浸的NFT的計畫院方有沒有想要再持續的精進的計畫\n\n21\n00:07:29,348 --> 00:07:32,531\n謝謝院長我想我還是鼓勵院長你們做得早但是我想也要做得好\n\n22\n00:07:55,069 --> 00:08:12,416\n確實你們有開放相關的文物但是我手上這一台VisionPro一隻眼睛就是4K兩隻眼睛加起來就是8K但是我們目前故宮用CC0授權的中低階圖檔CC0還不錯但是只有100萬畫素100萬畫素是非常非常的低中階圖檔600萬畫素是CCbyname4.0的授權約40萬張但是這在現在的數位內容比起來這解析度實在太低了\n\n23\n00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:31,105\n後續有沒有考慮進一步的開放中高階甚至高階的圖檔來供民眾自由免費的禁用使用修改與分享\n\n24\n00:08:32,066 --> 00:08:59,213\n跟委員報告我們原先就是有規劃那個中高階2000到3000的一個圖檔但是因為前面的所謂圖檔外流事件所以這個部分的話我們現在就暫緩那另外一個原因就是因為如果我們把這個中高階的圖檔40萬張PO上去的話那個loading會很慢所以一般的民眾的話不見得都做專業的應用如果要用專業的應用的話可以跟直接跟故宮聯繫然後交給高階圖檔\n\n25\n00:09:00,013 --> 00:09:17,581\n謝謝院長我想精神我們都是一致的兩點建議第一點希望能夠有開放騎乘請問有沒有開放的騎乘現在只有暫緩希望可以趕快來讓我們知道騎乘同時我想開放才是最重要的故宮豐富的館藏對這個世界來說非常重要\n\n26\n00:09:18,021 --> 00:09:37,516\n如果我們不讓更多的人認識他看到他那就沒有人喜愛他沒有人喜愛他大家就不會來實體世界來參觀最後一個問題我想請教一下院長最近應該有注意到AI的運用與博物館開放授權的議題因為故宮在11月的時候去年11月我們有做很多研究謝謝你們\n\n27\n00:09:38,857 --> 00:10:02,433\n發表了相關的研討會目前生成式的AI可以說越來越進化前幾天OpenAI還做了一個短影片生成器叫做Sora這個能夠依據各種的咒語來生成流暢的影片但是由於生成式AI的訓練跟產出需要大量的素材來產出這些作品的內容某種程度也是一個我們作品分享給全世界的方法\n\n28\n00:10:02,893 --> 00:10:28,778\n故宮如果能夠更加的開放數位文物的檔案就可以被深層式AI運用來幫我們宣傳想請教一下院長故宮目前對於深層式AI的運用以及博物館開放授權的議題究竟立場怎麼樣我想一昧的暫緩也不是辦法是不是有針對深層式AI對圖檔的運用有沒有一些演繹相關的規範解析度應該還要再提高這塊想聽一下院長的意見\n\n29\n00:10:29,518 --> 00:10:49,187\n跟委員報告我們這一次在那個台南美術館的展覽故宮展覽裡面就有那個AI的餐飲室的作品就是說我們把那個富春山基圖然後跟那個賽尚木內他們的作品然後用一個融合的方式去呈現這是故宮的一個嘗試\n\n30\n00:10:50,327 --> 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Pro所謂空間運算的裝置也就是下一個世代的電腦很可能會人手一台每個民眾都可以隨時隨地的穿越任何場域參觀任何的博物館想請問一下院長您認為這樣的現象會促使民眾更有意願親自到博物館看展\n288602\t310557\t還是民眾透過智慧穿戴裝置看完了就不再想去博物館參觀了我想如果是數位是一個工具的話那基本上來講我們當然期待是觀眾透過數位工具可以了解博物館的內涵之後然後可以親身到博物館裡面去親自這些文物當場去檢視這些文物我想這是我們的期待\n310657\t324667\t好很好謝謝我想我們有一致的看法不過我想這個其實還是需要經過很多的努力除了擁抱數位以外還要這個做得很好我們看到根據資料2022年故宮曾經與8位原創插畫家合作開發新型態的文化創意生成品NFT我想這個NFT其實是數位商品這個算是一種轉型轉型的規劃方案更多元的\n340738\t359953\t過去故宮的電商賣了五千多萬還是算不錯那希望還是持續的精進加強這一台這個Vision Pro民眾只要眨個眼就可以買商品了如果眨個眼買的商品如果是數位的商品連運貨都不用但是呢我們2022年的相關的合作跟Rutex這個NFT\n361414\t384012\t成立故宮精品NFT品牌商城利益良好啦我作為阿宅我還是給予鼓勵但是推出的12款NFT商品只賣出了6款收入只有23.6萬新台幣故宮在NFT這一塊做得早給予鼓勵我是支持的但是做得不夠好如果做得不夠好就沒有辦法達到虛擬世界愛上這些文物的人呢\n384572\t402908\t來到我們的實體世界來看我們來看幾個例子2021的9月東宮博物館跟幣安NFT合作以NFT的形式來拍賣重量級館藏的數位複製品此次拍賣籌集的45萬的BUSD也就是幣安美元他甚至還接受虛擬貨幣的購買\n404990\t421715\t2020年的9月大英博物館推出了第一個NFT的系列拍賣了200張以日本服事會大師葛氏北齋作品我們看一下那個葛氏北齋的作品那三張很漂亮這個浪潮這個電腦看起來可能這個對文化還在吸收當中\n423315\t447576\t不只賣得非常的好：甚至在7月進一步和這個所謂的元宇宙遊戲平台Sandbox合作大英博物館授權他們來做這個NFT的收藏跟沉浸式的體驗空間我想這個接下來應該要一起來努力希望想請教一下院長關於這樣的一個數位的沉浸的NFT的計畫院方有沒有想要再持續的精進的計畫\n449348\t452531\t謝謝院長我想我還是鼓勵院長你們做得早但是我想也要做得好\n475069\t492416\t確實你們有開放相關的文物但是我手上這一台Vision Pro一隻眼睛就是4K兩隻眼睛加起來就是8K但是我們目前故宮用CC0授權的中低階圖檔CC0還不錯但是只有100萬畫素100萬畫素是非常非常的低中階圖檔600萬畫素是CC by name4.0的授權約40萬張但是這在現在的數位內容比起來這解析度實在太低了\n503880\t511105\t後續有沒有考慮進一步的開放中高階甚至高階的圖檔來供民眾自由免費的禁用使用修改與分享\n512066\t539213\t跟委員報告我們原先就是有規劃那個中高階2000到3000的一個圖檔但是因為前面的所謂圖檔外流事件所以這個部分的話我們現在就暫緩那另外一個原因就是因為如果我們把這個中高階的圖檔40萬張PO上去的話那個loading會很慢所以一般的民眾的話不見得都做專業的應用如果要用專業的應用的話可以跟直接跟故宮聯繫然後交給高階圖檔\n540013\t557581\t謝謝院長我想精神我們都是一致的兩點建議第一點希望能夠有開放騎乘請問有沒有開放的騎乘現在只有暫緩希望可以趕快來讓我們知道騎乘同時我想開放才是最重要的故宮豐富的館藏對這個世界來說非常重要\n558021\t577516\t如果我們不讓更多的人認識他看到他那就沒有人喜愛他沒有人喜愛他大家就不會來實體世界來參觀最後一個問題我想請教一下院長最近應該有注意到AI的運用與博物館開放授權的議題因為故宮在11月的時候去年11月我們有做很多研究謝謝你們\n578857\t602433\t發表了相關的研討會目前生成式的AI可以說越來越進化前幾天OpenAI還做了一個短影片生成器叫做 Sora這個能夠依據各種的咒語來生成流暢的影片但是由於生成式AI的訓練跟產出需要大量的素材來產出這些作品的內容某種程度也是一個我們作品分享給全世界的方法\n602893\t628778\t故宮如果能夠更加的開放數位文物的檔案就可以被深層式AI運用來幫我們宣傳想請教一下院長故宮目前對於深層式AI的運用以及博物館開放授權的議題究竟立場怎麼樣我想一昧的暫緩也不是辦法是不是有針對深層式AI對圖檔的運用有沒有一些演繹相關的規範解析度應該還要再提高這塊想聽一下院長的意見\n629518\t649187\t跟委員報告我們這一次在那個台南美術館的展覽故宮展覽裡面就有那個AI的餐飲室的作品就是說我們把那個富春山基圖然後跟那個賽尚木內他們的作品然後用一個融合的方式去呈現這是故宮的一個嘗試\n650327\t668430\t另外的話在推廣教育上面的話我們也是希望說用AI融入STEM的方式然後推廣到那個基層的學校謝謝我想故宮一直都走得很前面但是也希望能夠走得很好我想今天的質詢我們主要聚焦在OpenGLAM的浪潮之下\n668871\t669011\t謝謝委員謝謝主席\n","txt":"我還是說一下葛如鈞委員質詢完畢之後我們先休息5分鐘剛剛已經特別預告了謝謝不好意思\n主席有請故宮博物院院長蕭院長\n院長早這是我首次進行故宮業務的質詢首先想要向您請教我的辦公室前幾天向故宮索資但是一直等到昨天下午資料才陸續回覆據瞭解也有不少委員遇到類似的情況\n根據我們的理解也收到一些消息說是因為您週二整天待在立院無法簽合公文的緣故雖然中午休息時間據稱您還特地趕回故宮來處理公務但應該有不少的立委辦公室跟我們一樣都非常晚取得資料想請教一下院長這個我們數位的時代\n處理公文應該有不少的數位工具可以來使用加速公文的流程讓立院與故宮的往來可以更加的便利剛剛我也在交通委員會質詢了唐鳳部長有關電子簽章的這個推行想請教部長未來這個公文可不可以更快是難道一定要撤碼回故宮蓋玉席所以才花那麼多時間嗎\n在立法院的時候對任何一個立法委員的執行我們都是要悉心聆聽\n謝謝 不好意思打斷\n我想下一次我想公文的往來希望可以更有效率同時也呼籲希望可以導入電子簽章電子公文還有相關的公文的往返也希望給我們一個更好的一個時間的癒化院長您是博物館學者也是經營博物館的專家我十分的期待用科技壓財的角度來跟您互動交流也希望透過今天的質詢我們今天彼此都能夠有收穫\n回顧10年來故宮的參觀人數我們來看下一張對就是這一張從2014年的540萬人到2016年最高峰614萬人2021年參觀人數降到10年來的最低只有115萬人降幅達到了81%這10年來的參觀人數可以說是巨大的變化那我們可以看到你們有提出來希望2024年故宮達成350萬參觀人數可是我們可以看到一二月的人數加起來是45萬人\n如果我們來這個等比例放大來幫你們推估的話大概可能無法達到甚至可能也沒有機會重返或突破2016年的614萬人想確認一下院長這個350萬人的參觀人數的目標還在嗎614萬人有沒有機會突破\n三百五十萬的話是我們的目標但是六百多萬的話肯定是沒有辦法突破因為時空環境不同好 謝謝院長我想我們都一起來努力不過我的態度相對的比較悲觀不管是三百五十萬還是六百萬因為近年來\n博物館要吸引民眾入館參觀的難度可以說是越來越高由於這個open gallery open library open museum 的世界趨勢我們來看下一張博物館的館藏被認為是具有公共屬性的資料因此被期待能夠加速更加速多元的開放給公共使用目的是促進知識的流通還有大眾的福祉\n相信不遠的將來民眾只要使用電腦手機平板甚至是我手上這一台是Apple剛推出的Vision Pro所謂空間運算的裝置也就是下一個世代的電腦很可能會人手一台每個民眾都可以隨時隨地的穿越任何場域參觀任何的博物館想請問一下院長您認為這樣的現象會促使民眾更有意願親自到博物館看展\n還是民眾透過智慧穿戴裝置看完了就不再想去博物館參觀了我想如果是數位是一個工具的話那基本上來講我們當然期待是觀眾透過數位工具可以了解博物館的內涵之後然後可以親身到博物館裡面去親自這些文物當場去檢視這些文物我想這是我們的期待\n好很好謝謝我想我們有一致的看法不過我想這個其實還是需要經過很多的努力除了擁抱數位以外還要這個做得很好我們看到根據資料2022年故宮曾經與8位原創插畫家合作開發新型態的文化創意生成品NFT我想這個NFT其實是數位商品這個算是一種轉型轉型的規劃方案更多元的\n過去故宮的電商賣了五千多萬還是算不錯那希望還是持續的精進加強這一台這個Vision Pro民眾只要眨個眼就可以買商品了如果眨個眼買的商品如果是數位的商品連運貨都不用但是呢我們2022年的相關的合作跟Rutex這個NFT\n成立故宮精品NFT品牌商城利益良好啦我作為阿宅我還是給予鼓勵但是推出的12款NFT商品只賣出了6款收入只有23.6萬新台幣故宮在NFT這一塊做得早給予鼓勵我是支持的但是做得不夠好如果做得不夠好就沒有辦法達到虛擬世界愛上這些文物的人呢\n來到我們的實體世界來看我們來看幾個例子2021的9月東宮博物館跟幣安NFT合作以NFT的形式來拍賣重量級館藏的數位複製品此次拍賣籌集的45萬的BUSD也就是幣安美元他甚至還接受虛擬貨幣的購買\n2020年的9月大英博物館推出了第一個NFT的系列拍賣了200張以日本服事會大師葛氏北齋作品我們看一下那個葛氏北齋的作品那三張很漂亮這個浪潮這個電腦看起來可能這個對文化還在吸收當中\n不只賣得非常的好：甚至在7月進一步和這個所謂的元宇宙遊戲平台Sandbox合作大英博物館授權他們來做這個NFT的收藏跟沉浸式的體驗空間我想這個接下來應該要一起來努力希望想請教一下院長關於這樣的一個數位的沉浸的NFT的計畫院方有沒有想要再持續的精進的計畫\n謝謝院長我想我還是鼓勵院長你們做得早但是我想也要做得好\n確實你們有開放相關的文物但是我手上這一台Vision 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