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00:02:55,943\n可是呢一般的民眾哪有辦法你一大堆方式你報稅可以減稅你通關可以減化但是你退稅就是沒有減化\n\n9\n00:02:58,245 --> 00:03:22,264\n市長,另外也請你好好去了解一下這幾年來關於這個電商產業他因為他退貨沒有辦法退稅預估一下多少好不好?好的怪不得我們的整個這個稅收會超過113%我們綜合所得稅剛剛部長你在報告的時候你的科稅收入會這麼高這恐怕也是原因之一啦\n\n10\n00:03:23,376 --> 00:03:41,805\n整個產業形態的轉變你們並沒有跟著轉變你們只有繳稅A化A化繳稅變節化但是退稅沒有變節化恐怕部長如果說你要站在這個角度來思考的話你應該把所有關於退稅的這個變節化都要一併思考而不是只有繳稅變節化部長你能不能承諾本席\n\n11\n00:03:42,718 --> 00:03:43,799\n市長請回部長我就教你部分\n\n12\n00:04:02,466 --> 00:04:25,442\n你知道最近的這個勞工個人賬戶制在整個股票的部分每一個勞工可以增加5萬元的收入因為股市的榮景那有許許多多的這個相對高薪的勞工原來提撥6%要加了6%所謂的這個個人賬戶制開過一個投資賬戶的方式長期持有方式在日本的部分叫MISA\n\n13\n00:04:25,882 --> 00:04:42,650\n這VISA的制度當中他們已經行之多年從2014到現在而且經過三次調整金額越來越大本席又看到今年你報告的當中呢你這一個那個主席我們資政委員吳秉樂這位說不要抄真我用抄收好了你抄收的113%每年抄收這麼多\n\n14\n00:04:45,251 --> 00:05:03,129\n我們能不能在整個面對超高齡化在明年超高齡化的社會來臨而且我們2050年我們的超高齡化程度可能會比日本更加嚴重而我們社會安全體系需要一個更完整的架構特別是個人理財的部分比較缺乏的情況底下有沒有可能引起這一套制度部長\n\n15\n00:05:05,331 --> 00:05:29,024\n謝謝委員日本為了鼓勵個人的長期投資跟資產累積他實施這個NISA而且有一段時間那2024開始新制那對於這個新制呢我們和我們國內的一個相關的一個稅制都做了一個比較比如說投資的額度資本利得的怎麼課稅鼓勵所得課稅我們做一個比較但是比較以後我們發現其實我們現行的稅制一般的稅制這個部分其實是比日本更為優化\n\n16\n00:05:29,764 --> 00:05:30,225\n你指個別的投資人喔?\n\n17\n00:05:48,524 --> 00:06:12,750\n本期是要跟你談制度面的喔。是制度面的。比如說簡單的講以個人賬戶制的部分它適用於目前的一般的受僱者可是一般而言非是一般的受僱者當中並沒有一個長期的賬戶account在那邊放在那邊固定存款而透過類似這一種基金代鈔的一種概念變成一種定期定額的這個概念的方式而達到這個免稅的一個效果。\n\n18\n00:06:14,687 --> 00:06:24,116\n目前為止只有我們的6%裡頭有免稅6加6的部分有免稅其他的部分的投資者當中他如果透過長期的部分有沒有辦法有這樣的優惠\n\n19\n00:06:26,735 --> 00:06:52,910\n你們之前的說法是除稅除虛的部分有免稅你們對外回答的說法是這樣子所以說你們不想要辦這個制度我想這樣子好不好那個我們第一個我們現在做一個比較當委員提供提的是制度面的也就是說我存了以後有貸鈔的基金類是貸鈔的部分我想這個部分我們是不是再來做一個進一步的研議麻煩你進一步很清楚的研議而不是呢站在一個只想要增加這個稅收的一個角度\n\n20\n00:06:53,470 --> 00:07:16,670\n不論有財政部本位思考我再跟你講一下你這幾年的綜合所得稅的達成率每年都超收你看到去年為止還128%所以說這種情況底下我們是不是一定要透過這種制度我們是不是應該思考一下透過這種制度的方式來減輕人民的一個負擔而增加這個社會安全體制的一個建構\n\n21\n00:07:17,570 --> 00:07:17,710\n主席\n\n22\n00:07:30,092 --> 00:07:47,261\n部長,最近有三家公股銀行聽說要進行董事改選一個是第一銀行、兆豐還有台企銀那三位董事長都在這邊董事長,三位董事長能不能請一下好像是剛好這三家都是6月14日\n\n23\n00:07:48,602 --> 00:08:14,705\n那是比較巧的是6月14日如果開董事會的話那個部長根據公司法192之1條董事會必須在25天前公告董事候選的資訊那財政部最晚就是等於是在520要提出人選等於是新內閣就任的時候人選都已經出來了你確定那個新內閣對一個董事的這個人選沒有一個政策上的指示或一個做一個調整嗎我不是說個別的人選\n\n24\n00:08:15,365 --> 00:08:42,076\n我瞭解委員這個6月14日要改選所以要提出相關的名單那我們部裡面也已經把現任的董事的名單就把它籌集以後那未來要怎麼提新的名單因為有時間的限制而且要公告時間的限制其實我們會一定當然不能因為說520要改組就不提還是會要剛好就是520可是我要說的是如果依照公司法第170條你知道今年6月底前開股東大會就好為什麼一定要6月14號呢\n\n25\n00:08:44,469 --> 00:09:00,217\n6月14日是好像原來就訂了對啊為什麼一定要6月14日呢你依照公司法你知道6月底以前就可以啦所以我意思是說你現階段而言而且依照證交署的公告你3月15日以前你都還可以變更董事會好\n\n26\n00:09:03,539 --> 00:09:27,915\n是不是要更改6月14日?你們應該思考一下在法的規定當中6月底前就可以召開你為什麼6月14日?而6月14日剛好報的名單就是520就是完全沒有一個轉圜的空間你不覺得應該有一些阿索比讓新內閣當中對董事的人選是不是一個統一的標準的調整有一個政策上的思考轉圜的空間是不是有可能?我想這個部分我們來看有沒有可能?\n\n27\n00:09:33,778 --> 00:10:00,527\n三位董事長請三位董事長上台那個趙鋒你們是不是六月十四\n\n28\n00:10:02,725 --> 00:10:28,914\n六月二十一然後你們提報什麼時候提報提報那個我們董事的人選可能更早是可能更早就要提報囉所以說也不一定可以依照日期你們是提早作業啦是如果推估的話也不一定要這麼早嘛對不對那這個部分是不是還有一些容許有一些調整的空間我們來檢討看看好不好檢討看看好不好那其他兩位董事長呢\n\n29\n00:10:45,370 --> 00:11:06,431\n報告委員我們也是6月21日那所以說我是提早一個禮拜了那事實上還有將近10天的一個阿蘇比的空間嘛你請部長回去思考一下最後我再暫用半分鐘部長你知道那個台我們現在的CPI核心CPI的數字還是居高不下這種居高不下的情況底下我們這個黃小玉的部分有沒有可能繼續延長這個關稅上的優惠\n\n30\n00:11:08,913 --> 00:11:35,147\n現在有關的關稅、貨物稅跟營業稅有一些免徵的部分到3月底那是不是在持續延長這個行政院的穩定物價小組會做討論如果確定以後財政部就配合辦理什麼時候討論?現在3月底呢?剩下沒多久?這個日期我還沒有手上還沒有你們趕快處理一下好不好?現在已經上旬了快中旬了謝謝謝謝郭國文、郭委員下一位請李燕秀、李委員質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3294\t17593\t委員好部長好部長在您的這個報告書像說未來的一個施政的重點當中呢有特別提到優化報稅的一個服務嘛還說要推動官務合理化法規合理化\n18454\t44732\t昨天本席剛好有去台北關去進行這個考察在考察的過程當中我們就發現了一些相關的問題來就教於部長特別現在呢這個國貿網路公司自從這個1億位實名制之後已經高達526萬那也整個電商產業的這個數字跟金額也是攀升的速度非常之快非常之高這種情況底下我們卻發現一個問題就是說呢\n47594\t72981\t在跨境電商民眾在進行消費的時候有三種狀況的情況底下他必須要退貨一個是商品損害第二個呢他呢基本上呢是建廠期裡頭不滿要退貨第三呢是受到詐騙的這種情況但是這裡頭都出現一個問題當他已經被磕碎的時候他進行退稅的時候欸手續都非常的繁瑣這手續多少多繁瑣嗎那個部長\n75786\t101042\t總共要填寫8份表格包括調換、進貨、免稅、申請書、委任書、身份證、政法面具、竊結書等等總共要8份之多那8份之多還要繳一筆公證費用高達6千你也知道這種B2C的電商產業所消費的金額都不太多往往幾千塊你還要繳6千還要填8份\n102583\t122218\t往往有一些民眾去問相關單位的時候說這沒有辦法這是國外的快遞公司的問題這沒有辦法部長真的沒有辦法嗎目前電商產業已經發展這種情況沒有什麼辦法來面對從B2B的狀況變成B2C的一個狀況對於這麼多500多萬在銷售這種狀況沒有辦法嗎你不是要優化你的AI優化這個報稅沒有優化退稅嗎你不是要把這個報關的部分合理化嗎那這個部分要不要\n132847\t132947\t主席\n141646\t166133\t報告召委有關於這部分謝謝委員的提點那的確誠如委員說的這個快遞貨物因為它量很大但是它的金額非常小我們不能跟一般的海運貨櫃那種形態提謀在過去B2B的概念對不對因為一般的公司人員配置多對不對它有辦法這樣相當的人力跟人才可以進行這些業務的申請\n167313\t175943\t可是呢一般的民眾哪有辦法你一大堆方式你報稅可以減稅你通關可以減化但是你退稅就是沒有減化\n178245\t202264\t市長,另外也請你好好去了解一下這幾年來關於這個電商產業他因為他退貨沒有辦法退稅預估一下多少好不好?好的怪不得我們的整個這個稅收會超過113%我們綜合所得稅剛剛部長你在報告的時候你的科稅收入會這麼高這恐怕也是原因之一啦\n203376\t221805\t整個產業形態的轉變你們並沒有跟著轉變你們只有繳稅A化A化繳稅變節化但是退稅沒有變節化恐怕部長如果說你要站在這個角度來思考的話你應該把所有關於退稅的這個變節化都要一併思考而不是只有繳稅變節化部長你能不能承諾本席\n222718\t223799\t市長請回部長我就教你部分\n242466\t265442\t你知道最近的這個勞工個人賬戶制在整個股票的部分每一個勞工可以增加5萬元的收入因為股市的榮景那有許許多多的這個相對高薪的勞工原來提撥6%要加了6%所謂的這個個人賬戶制開過一個投資賬戶的方式長期持有方式在日本的部分叫MISA\n265882\t282650\t這VISA的制度當中他們已經行之多年從2014到現在而且經過三次調整金額越來越大本席又看到今年你報告的當中呢你這一個那個主席我們資政委員吳秉樂這位說不要抄真我用抄收好了你抄收的113%每年抄收這麼多\n285251\t303129\t我們能不能在整個面對超高齡化在明年超高齡化的社會來臨而且我們2050年我們的超高齡化程度可能會比日本更加嚴重而我們社會安全體系需要一個更完整的架構特別是個人理財的部分比較缺乏的情況底下有沒有可能引起這一套制度部長\n305331\t329024\t謝謝委員日本為了鼓勵個人的長期投資跟資產累積他實施這個NISA而且有一段時間那2024開始新制那對於這個新制呢我們和我們國內的一個相關的一個稅制都做了一個比較比如說投資的額度資本利得的怎麼課稅鼓勵所得課稅我們做一個比較但是比較以後我們發現其實我們現行的稅制一般的稅制這個部分其實是比日本更為優化\n329764\t330225\t你指個別的投資人喔?\n348524\t372750\t本期是要跟你談制度面的喔。是制度面的。比如說簡單的講以個人賬戶制的部分它適用於目前的一般的受僱者可是一般而言非是一般的受僱者當中並沒有一個長期的賬戶account在那邊放在那邊固定存款而透過類似這一種基金代鈔的一種概念變成一種定期定額的這個概念的方式而達到這個免稅的一個效果。\n374687\t384116\t目前為止只有我們的6%裡頭有免稅6加6的部分有免稅其他的部分的投資者當中他如果透過長期的部分有沒有辦法有這樣的優惠\n386735\t412910\t你們之前的說法是除稅除虛的部分有免稅你們對外回答的說法是這樣子所以說你們不想要辦這個制度我想這樣子好不好那個我們第一個我們現在做一個比較當委員提供提的是制度面的也就是說我存了以後有貸鈔的基金類是貸鈔的部分我想這個部分我們是不是再來做一個進一步的研議麻煩你進一步很清楚的研議而不是呢站在一個只想要增加這個稅收的一個角度\n413470\t436670\t不論有財政部本位思考我再跟你講一下你這幾年的綜合所得稅的達成率每年都超收你看到去年為止還128%所以說這種情況底下我們是不是一定要透過這種制度我們是不是應該思考一下透過這種制度的方式來減輕人民的一個負擔而增加這個社會安全體制的一個建構\n437570\t437710\t主席\n450092\t467261\t部長,最近有三家公股銀行聽說要進行董事改選一個是第一銀行、兆豐還有台企銀那三位董事長都在這邊董事長,三位董事長能不能請一下好像是剛好這三家都是6月14日\n468602\t494705\t那是比較巧的是6月14日如果開董事會的話那個部長根據公司法192之1條董事會必須在25天前公告董事候選的資訊那財政部最晚就是等於是在520要提出人選等於是新內閣就任的時候人選都已經出來了你確定那個新內閣對一個董事的這個人選沒有一個政策上的指示或一個做一個調整嗎我不是說個別的人選\n495365\t522076\t我瞭解委員這個6月14日要改選所以要提出相關的名單那我們部裡面也已經把現任的董事的名單就把它籌集以後那未來要怎麼提新的名單因為有時間的限制而且要公告時間的限制其實我們會一定當然不能因為說520要改組就不提還是會要 剛好就是520可是我要說的是如果依照公司法第170條你知道今年6月底前開股東大會就好為什麼一定要6月14號呢\n524469\t540217\t6月14日是好像原來就訂了對啊為什麼一定要6月14日呢你依照公司法你知道6月底以前就可以啦所以我意思是說你現階段而言而且依照證交署的公告你3月15日以前你都還可以變更董事會好\n543539\t567915\t是不是要更改6月14日?你們應該思考一下在法的規定當中6月底前就可以召開你為什麼6月14日?而6月14日剛好報的名單就是520就是完全沒有一個轉圜的空間你不覺得應該有一些阿索比讓新內閣當中對董事的人選是不是一個統一的標準的調整有一個政策上的思考轉圜的空間是不是有可能?我想這個部分我們來看有沒有可能?\n573778\t600527\t三位董事長請三位董事長上台那個趙鋒你們是不是六月十四\n602725\t628914\t六月二十一然後你們提報什麼時候提報提報那個我們董事的人選可能更早是可能更早就要提報囉所以說也不一定可以依照日期你們是提早作業啦是如果推估的話也不一定要這麼早嘛對不對那這個部分是不是還有一些容許有一些調整的空間我們來檢討看看好不好檢討看看好不好那其他兩位董事長呢\n633012\t644735\t臺慶\n645370\t666431\t報告委員我們也是6月21日那所以說我是提早一個禮拜了那事實上還有將近10天的一個阿蘇比的空間嘛你請部長回去思考一下最後我再暫用半分鐘部長你知道那個台我們現在的CPI核心CPI的數字還是居高不下這種居高不下的情況底下我們這個黃小玉的部分有沒有可能繼續延長這個關稅上的優惠\n668913\t695147\t現在有關的關稅、貨物稅跟營業稅有一些免徵的部分到3月底那是不是在持續延長這個行政院的穩定物價小組會做討論如果確定以後財政部就配合辦理什麼時候討論?現在3月底呢?剩下沒多久?這個日期我還沒有手上還沒有你們趕快處理一下好不好?現在已經上旬了快中旬了謝謝謝謝郭國文、郭委員下一位請李燕秀、李委員質詢\n","txt":"委員好部長好部長在您的這個報告書像說未來的一個施政的重點當中呢有特別提到優化報稅的一個服務嘛還說要推動官務合理化法規合理化\n昨天本席剛好有去台北關去進行這個考察在考察的過程當中我們就發現了一些相關的問題來就教於部長特別現在呢這個國貿網路公司自從這個1億位實名制之後已經高達526萬那也整個電商產業的這個數字跟金額也是攀升的速度非常之快非常之高這種情況底下我們卻發現一個問題就是說呢\n在跨境電商民眾在進行消費的時候有三種狀況的情況底下他必須要退貨一個是商品損害第二個呢他呢基本上呢是建廠期裡頭不滿要退貨第三呢是受到詐騙的這種情況但是這裡頭都出現一個問題當他已經被磕碎的時候他進行退稅的時候欸手續都非常的繁瑣這手續多少多繁瑣嗎那個部長\n總共要填寫8份表格包括調換、進貨、免稅、申請書、委任書、身份證、政法面具、竊結書等等總共要8份之多那8份之多還要繳一筆公證費用高達6千你也知道這種B2C的電商產業所消費的金額都不太多往往幾千塊你還要繳6千還要填8份\n往往有一些民眾去問相關單位的時候說這沒有辦法這是國外的快遞公司的問題這沒有辦法部長真的沒有辦法嗎目前電商產業已經發展這種情況沒有什麼辦法來面對從B2B的狀況變成B2C的一個狀況對於這麼多500多萬在銷售這種狀況沒有辦法嗎你不是要優化你的AI優化這個報稅沒有優化退稅嗎你不是要把這個報關的部分合理化嗎那這個部分要不要\n主席\n報告召委有關於這部分謝謝委員的提點那的確誠如委員說的這個快遞貨物因為它量很大但是它的金額非常小我們不能跟一般的海運貨櫃那種形態提謀在過去B2B的概念對不對因為一般的公司人員配置多對不對它有辦法這樣相當的人力跟人才可以進行這些業務的申請\n可是呢一般的民眾哪有辦法你一大堆方式你報稅可以減稅你通關可以減化但是你退稅就是沒有減化\n市長,另外也請你好好去了解一下這幾年來關於這個電商產業他因為他退貨沒有辦法退稅預估一下多少好不好?好的怪不得我們的整個這個稅收會超過113%我們綜合所得稅剛剛部長你在報告的時候你的科稅收入會這麼高這恐怕也是原因之一啦\n整個產業形態的轉變你們並沒有跟著轉變你們只有繳稅A化A化繳稅變節化但是退稅沒有變節化恐怕部長如果說你要站在這個角度來思考的話你應該把所有關於退稅的這個變節化都要一併思考而不是只有繳稅變節化部長你能不能承諾本席\n市長請回部長我就教你部分\n你知道最近的這個勞工個人賬戶制在整個股票的部分每一個勞工可以增加5萬元的收入因為股市的榮景那有許許多多的這個相對高薪的勞工原來提撥6%要加了6%所謂的這個個人賬戶制開過一個投資賬戶的方式長期持有方式在日本的部分叫MISA\n這VISA的制度當中他們已經行之多年從2014到現在而且經過三次調整金額越來越大本席又看到今年你報告的當中呢你這一個那個主席我們資政委員吳秉樂這位說不要抄真我用抄收好了你抄收的113%每年抄收這麼多\n我們能不能在整個面對超高齡化在明年超高齡化的社會來臨而且我們2050年我們的超高齡化程度可能會比日本更加嚴重而我們社會安全體系需要一個更完整的架構特別是個人理財的部分比較缺乏的情況底下有沒有可能引起這一套制度部長\n謝謝委員日本為了鼓勵個人的長期投資跟資產累積他實施這個NISA而且有一段時間那2024開始新制那對於這個新制呢我們和我們國內的一個相關的一個稅制都做了一個比較比如說投資的額度資本利得的怎麼課稅鼓勵所得課稅我們做一個比較但是比較以後我們發現其實我們現行的稅制一般的稅制這個部分其實是比日本更為優化\n你指個別的投資人喔?\n本期是要跟你談制度面的喔。是制度面的。比如說簡單的講以個人賬戶制的部分它適用於目前的一般的受僱者可是一般而言非是一般的受僱者當中並沒有一個長期的賬戶account在那邊放在那邊固定存款而透過類似這一種基金代鈔的一種概念變成一種定期定額的這個概念的方式而達到這個免稅的一個效果。\n目前為止只有我們的6%裡頭有免稅6加6的部分有免稅其他的部分的投資者當中他如果透過長期的部分有沒有辦法有這樣的優惠\n你們之前的說法是除稅除虛的部分有免稅你們對外回答的說法是這樣子所以說你們不想要辦這個制度我想這樣子好不好那個我們第一個我們現在做一個比較當委員提供提的是制度面的也就是說我存了以後有貸鈔的基金類是貸鈔的部分我想這個部分我們是不是再來做一個進一步的研議麻煩你進一步很清楚的研議而不是呢站在一個只想要增加這個稅收的一個角度\n不論有財政部本位思考我再跟你講一下你這幾年的綜合所得稅的達成率每年都超收你看到去年為止還128%所以說這種情況底下我們是不是一定要透過這種制度我們是不是應該思考一下透過這種制度的方式來減輕人民的一個負擔而增加這個社會安全體制的一個建構\n主席\n部長,最近有三家公股銀行聽說要進行董事改選一個是第一銀行、兆豐還有台企銀那三位董事長都在這邊董事長,三位董事長能不能請一下好像是剛好這三家都是6月14日\n那是比較巧的是6月14日如果開董事會的話那個部長根據公司法192之1條董事會必須在25天前公告董事候選的資訊那財政部最晚就是等於是在520要提出人選等於是新內閣就任的時候人選都已經出來了你確定那個新內閣對一個董事的這個人選沒有一個政策上的指示或一個做一個調整嗎我不是說個別的人選\n我瞭解委員這個6月14日要改選所以要提出相關的名單那我們部裡面也已經把現任的董事的名單就把它籌集以後那未來要怎麼提新的名單因為有時間的限制而且要公告時間的限制其實我們會一定當然不能因為說520要改組就不提還是會要 剛好就是520可是我要說的是如果依照公司法第170條你知道今年6月底前開股東大會就好為什麼一定要6月14號呢\n6月14日是好像原來就訂了對啊為什麼一定要6月14日呢你依照公司法你知道6月底以前就可以啦所以我意思是說你現階段而言而且依照證交署的公告你3月15日以前你都還可以變更董事會好\n是不是要更改6月14日?你們應該思考一下在法的規定當中6月底前就可以召開你為什麼6月14日?而6月14日剛好報的名單就是520就是完全沒有一個轉圜的空間你不覺得應該有一些阿索比讓新內閣當中對董事的人選是不是一個統一的標準的調整有一個政策上的思考轉圜的空間是不是有可能?我想這個部分我們來看有沒有可能?\n三位董事長請三位董事長上台那個趙鋒你們是不是六月十四\n六月二十一然後你們提報什麼時候提報提報那個我們董事的人選可能更早是可能更早就要提報囉所以說也不一定可以依照日期你們是提早作業啦是如果推估的話也不一定要這麼早嘛對不對那這個部分是不是還有一些容許有一些調整的空間我們來檢討看看好不好檢討看看好不好那其他兩位董事長呢\n臺慶\n報告委員我們也是6月21日那所以說我是提早一個禮拜了那事實上還有將近10天的一個阿蘇比的空間嘛你請部長回去思考一下最後我再暫用半分鐘部長你知道那個台我們現在的CPI核心CPI的數字還是居高不下這種居高不下的情況底下我們這個黃小玉的部分有沒有可能繼續延長這個關稅上的優惠\n現在有關的關稅、貨物稅跟營業稅有一些免徵的部分到3月底那是不是在持續延長這個行政院的穩定物價小組會做討論如果確定以後財政部就配合辦理什麼時候討論?現在3月底呢?剩下沒多久?這個日期我還沒有手上還沒有你們趕快處理一下好不好?現在已經上旬了快中旬了謝謝謝謝郭國文、郭委員下一位請李燕秀、李委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.294 --> 00:17.593\n委員好部長好部長在您的這個報告書像說未來的一個施政的重點當中呢有特別提到優化報稅的一個服務嘛還說要推動官務合理化法規合理化\n\n00:18.454 --> 00:44.732\n昨天本席剛好有去台北關去進行這個考察在考察的過程當中我們就發現了一些相關的問題來就教於部長特別現在呢這個國貿網路公司自從這個1億位實名制之後已經高達526萬那也整個電商產業的這個數字跟金額也是攀升的速度非常之快非常之高這種情況底下我們卻發現一個問題就是說呢\n\n00:47.594 --> 01:12.981\n在跨境電商民眾在進行消費的時候有三種狀況的情況底下他必須要退貨一個是商品損害第二個呢他呢基本上呢是建廠期裡頭不滿要退貨第三呢是受到詐騙的這種情況但是這裡頭都出現一個問題當他已經被磕碎的時候他進行退稅的時候欸手續都非常的繁瑣這手續多少多繁瑣嗎那個部長\n\n01:15.786 --> 01:41.042\n總共要填寫8份表格包括調換、進貨、免稅、申請書、委任書、身份證、政法面具、竊結書等等總共要8份之多那8份之多還要繳一筆公證費用高達6千你也知道這種B2C的電商產業所消費的金額都不太多往往幾千塊你還要繳6千還要填8份\n\n01:42.583 --> 02:02.218\n往往有一些民眾去問相關單位的時候說這沒有辦法這是國外的快遞公司的問題這沒有辦法部長真的沒有辦法嗎目前電商產業已經發展這種情況沒有什麼辦法來面對從B2B的狀況變成B2C的一個狀況對於這麼多500多萬在銷售這種狀況沒有辦法嗎你不是要優化你的AI優化這個報稅沒有優化退稅嗎你不是要把這個報關的部分合理化嗎那這個部分要不要\n\n02:12.847 --> 02:12.947\n主席\n\n02:21.646 --> 02:46.133\n報告召委有關於這部分謝謝委員的提點那的確誠如委員說的這個快遞貨物因為它量很大但是它的金額非常小我們不能跟一般的海運貨櫃那種形態提謀在過去B2B的概念對不對因為一般的公司人員配置多對不對它有辦法這樣相當的人力跟人才可以進行這些業務的申請\n\n02:47.313 --> 02:55.943\n可是呢一般的民眾哪有辦法你一大堆方式你報稅可以減稅你通關可以減化但是你退稅就是沒有減化\n\n02:58.245 --> 03:22.264\n市長,另外也請你好好去了解一下這幾年來關於這個電商產業他因為他退貨沒有辦法退稅預估一下多少好不好?好的怪不得我們的整個這個稅收會超過113%我們綜合所得稅剛剛部長你在報告的時候你的科稅收入會這麼高這恐怕也是原因之一啦\n\n03:23.376 --> 03:41.805\n整個產業形態的轉變你們並沒有跟著轉變你們只有繳稅A化A化繳稅變節化但是退稅沒有變節化恐怕部長如果說你要站在這個角度來思考的話你應該把所有關於退稅的這個變節化都要一併思考而不是只有繳稅變節化部長你能不能承諾本席\n\n03:42.718 --> 03:43.799\n市長請回部長我就教你部分\n\n04:02.466 --> 04:25.442\n你知道最近的這個勞工個人賬戶制在整個股票的部分每一個勞工可以增加5萬元的收入因為股市的榮景那有許許多多的這個相對高薪的勞工原來提撥6%要加了6%所謂的這個個人賬戶制開過一個投資賬戶的方式長期持有方式在日本的部分叫MISA\n\n04:25.882 --> 04:42.650\n這VISA的制度當中他們已經行之多年從2014到現在而且經過三次調整金額越來越大本席又看到今年你報告的當中呢你這一個那個主席我們資政委員吳秉樂這位說不要抄真我用抄收好了你抄收的113%每年抄收這麼多\n\n04:45.251 --> 05:03.129\n我們能不能在整個面對超高齡化在明年超高齡化的社會來臨而且我們2050年我們的超高齡化程度可能會比日本更加嚴重而我們社會安全體系需要一個更完整的架構特別是個人理財的部分比較缺乏的情況底下有沒有可能引起這一套制度部長\n\n05:05.331 --> 05:29.024\n謝謝委員日本為了鼓勵個人的長期投資跟資產累積他實施這個NISA而且有一段時間那2024開始新制那對於這個新制呢我們和我們國內的一個相關的一個稅制都做了一個比較比如說投資的額度資本利得的怎麼課稅鼓勵所得課稅我們做一個比較但是比較以後我們發現其實我們現行的稅制一般的稅制這個部分其實是比日本更為優化\n\n05:29.764 --> 05:30.225\n你指個別的投資人喔?\n\n05:48.524 --> 06:12.750\n本期是要跟你談制度面的喔。是制度面的。比如說簡單的講以個人賬戶制的部分它適用於目前的一般的受僱者可是一般而言非是一般的受僱者當中並沒有一個長期的賬戶account在那邊放在那邊固定存款而透過類似這一種基金代鈔的一種概念變成一種定期定額的這個概念的方式而達到這個免稅的一個效果。\n\n06:14.687 --> 06:24.116\n目前為止只有我們的6%裡頭有免稅6加6的部分有免稅其他的部分的投資者當中他如果透過長期的部分有沒有辦法有這樣的優惠\n\n06:26.735 --> 06:52.910\n你們之前的說法是除稅除虛的部分有免稅你們對外回答的說法是這樣子所以說你們不想要辦這個制度我想這樣子好不好那個我們第一個我們現在做一個比較當委員提供提的是制度面的也就是說我存了以後有貸鈔的基金類是貸鈔的部分我想這個部分我們是不是再來做一個進一步的研議麻煩你進一步很清楚的研議而不是呢站在一個只想要增加這個稅收的一個角度\n\n06:53.470 --> 07:16.670\n不論有財政部本位思考我再跟你講一下你這幾年的綜合所得稅的達成率每年都超收你看到去年為止還128%所以說這種情況底下我們是不是一定要透過這種制度我們是不是應該思考一下透過這種制度的方式來減輕人民的一個負擔而增加這個社會安全體制的一個建構\n\n07:17.570 --> 07:17.710\n主席\n\n07:30.092 --> 07:47.261\n部長,最近有三家公股銀行聽說要進行董事改選一個是第一銀行、兆豐還有台企銀那三位董事長都在這邊董事長,三位董事長能不能請一下好像是剛好這三家都是6月14日\n\n07:48.602 --> 08:14.705\n那是比較巧的是6月14日如果開董事會的話那個部長根據公司法192之1條董事會必須在25天前公告董事候選的資訊那財政部最晚就是等於是在520要提出人選等於是新內閣就任的時候人選都已經出來了你確定那個新內閣對一個董事的這個人選沒有一個政策上的指示或一個做一個調整嗎我不是說個別的人選\n\n08:15.365 --> 08:42.076\n我瞭解委員這個6月14日要改選所以要提出相關的名單那我們部裡面也已經把現任的董事的名單就把它籌集以後那未來要怎麼提新的名單因為有時間的限制而且要公告時間的限制其實我們會一定當然不能因為說520要改組就不提還是會要剛好就是520可是我要說的是如果依照公司法第170條你知道今年6月底前開股東大會就好為什麼一定要6月14號呢\n\n08:44.469 --> 09:00.217\n6月14日是好像原來就訂了對啊為什麼一定要6月14日呢你依照公司法你知道6月底以前就可以啦所以我意思是說你現階段而言而且依照證交署的公告你3月15日以前你都還可以變更董事會好\n\n09:03.539 --> 09:27.915\n是不是要更改6月14日?你們應該思考一下在法的規定當中6月底前就可以召開你為什麼6月14日?而6月14日剛好報的名單就是520就是完全沒有一個轉圜的空間你不覺得應該有一些阿索比讓新內閣當中對董事的人選是不是一個統一的標準的調整有一個政策上的思考轉圜的空間是不是有可能?我想這個部分我們來看有沒有可能?\n\n09:33.778 --> 10:00.527\n三位董事長請三位董事長上台那個趙鋒你們是不是六月十四\n\n10:02.725 --> 10:28.914\n六月二十一然後你們提報什麼時候提報提報那個我們董事的人選可能更早是可能更早就要提報囉所以說也不一定可以依照日期你們是提早作業啦是如果推估的話也不一定要這麼早嘛對不對那這個部分是不是還有一些容許有一些調整的空間我們來檢討看看好不好檢討看看好不好那其他兩位董事長呢\n\n10:45.370 --> 11:06.431\n報告委員我們也是6月21日那所以說我是提早一個禮拜了那事實上還有將近10天的一個阿蘇比的空間嘛你請部長回去思考一下最後我再暫用半分鐘部長你知道那個台我們現在的CPI核心CPI的數字還是居高不下這種居高不下的情況底下我們這個黃小玉的部分有沒有可能繼續延長這個關稅上的優惠\n\n11:08.913 --> 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