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上面有。我們現在是1萬5,000塊以下可以免課所得稅，所以我更認為，如果居住正義要落實的更好，包租代管業務非常非常的重要，針對1萬5,000塊免課所得稅的政策，我覺得應該要有各縣市差異的不同，你同意吧？因為我剛才講的，在臺北市1萬5,000塊可能只可以租到9坪到10坪，在新北可能可以租更多，但是你的包租代管業務就沒有辦法做得更好。"],["莊部長翠雲：是。"],["李委員彥秀：我覺得居住正義是所有政黨都在推動的，如何去落實，無論賴清德或蔡英文的政策，落實社會正義、居住正義，在這一件政策上，我覺得各縣市就要以差異化的政策來推出、來課稅，每一個縣市不一樣，你同意我的邏輯嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，這裡包租代管除了房東每個月有1萬5,000塊免報繳所得稅之外，另外還有他的裝修費用，其實也提高它的比率……"],["李委員彥秀：部長，因為我只剩下15秒……"],["莊部長翠雲：另外，房屋稅跟地價稅也有減徵……"],["李委員彥秀：我現在在幫助蔡英文跟賴清德落實居住正義，我們怎麼樣把包租代管政策落實得更好，所以我提出來在課稅的政策上應該要有各縣市的差異化處理方向，你同意我的說法嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：是，目前來說是1萬5,000，至於這個部分要不要做各縣市的差異化，我覺得我們可以跟內政部來做討論。"],["李委員彥秀：這個主責方向，在課稅要不要……"],["莊部長翠雲：因為這個在住宅法裡面規定。"],["李委員彥秀：以臺北市來說，譬如我們要給一個家庭18坪，在新北也可以租18坪，那個租金金額就是不一樣嘛！你不能去處罰臺北市願意加入包租代管業務的人，所以我才提出來這樣子的政策，應該要有各縣市差異化的課稅標準出來。"],["主席：請財政部跟內政部會後討論之後送給委員一份資料，好不好？"],["李委員彥秀：你同意這個方式？你有沒有同意這個方向？"],["莊部長翠雲：我要研議嘛！"],["李委員彥秀：好，你研議，那我就告訴你，下個禮拜我會提出相關的政策、法令上的調整，我也希望有機會讓你們來支持。"],["莊部長翠雲：是，謝謝委員。"],["李委員彥秀：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝李彥秀委員的質詢。","接著我們請王世堅委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":378,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-20-2","speakers":["郭國文","林德福","吳秉叡","賴士葆","李彥秀","王世堅","王鴻薇","賴惠員","顏寬恒","黃珊珊","李坤城","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","謝衣鳯","黃國昌","鄭天財Sra 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00:02:27,002\n到底台電要撥補多少錢沒有討論過你連聽都沒聽過這是行政院會在討論的是你都沒有參與相關的會議我沒有參加部裡面沒有任何一個人參加那難道陳建仁院長在質詢台上講出來的話都沒有找過主計處財政部開過會嗎跟委員報告主計總處的執掌至於主計總處有沒有參加那是要主計總處才知道\n\n7\n00:02:29,095 --> 00:02:48,640\n部長也就是說你完全不知道那我知道啦就選舉年的時候決定那個那個普發現金的時候才會找你們進訴的跟委員報告普發現金那是整個強化社會韌性跟經濟韌性那當時有個特別條例以及特別預算的排列那今年113年的預算已經都籌編完畢了\n\n8\n00:02:50,140 --> 00:03:03,550\n今年整體上來說人民也講說這兩三年都是過去20年來經濟成果最好的時刻人民可能不這麼想今年決定要怎麼做大家都在看我為什麼這麼說因為今年下個月開始我們經濟部要開始開這個電價審議委員會\n\n9\n00:03:10,015 --> 00:03:27,476\n剛剛有前一個委員郭委員有討論到我們CPI的物價指數其實已經高到1.85你知道人民CPI民眾忍受的最高的期限是多少嗎我想對民眾來說物價的穩定是非常重要的那人民的忍受度最高你都不知道喔\n\n10\n00:03:28,937 --> 00:03:44,743\n這個忍受度每一個人也不一樣你是財政部部長欸這個數據現在是1.85人民CPI忍受的期限是2.0你知道一個電價如果按照過去大概維持電價調整10%的話\n\n11\n00:03:47,344 --> 00:03:57,029\n你知道對於整體CPI影響大概多大嗎?當然會有影響因為電價調整尤其對於所謂的部長你如果身為財政部部長對於這些重要的數據統計跟相關的預測數據你都不清楚的話如果在討論這些相關電價到底調10%、15%、20%對人民稅收還有包括剛剛在討論的負稅、關稅今年要不要持續的有優惠的減免\n\n12\n00:04:16,318 --> 00:04:39,968\n這些都是環環相控的議題你現在回答我不知道我覺得這件事情讓我不可置信你知道嗎接下來回答我時間不多我還是要問你說3月底到底要討論的電價的這個議題到底你認為撥補多少是一個合理的數據跟委員說明有關電價的調整還有審議委員會在審議那他們會根據相關的數據來做討論\n\n13\n00:04:46,130 --> 00:05:07,748\n但是撥補多少都會影響CPI的指數你同意我講這句話嗎?撥補多少第一會影響到電價審議委員會到底要調整多少對不對那這後續也會影響到CPI的指數我這個邏輯你同意嗎?同意你可能不了解這個相關的經濟預測指數但是這個是環環相扣的數據影響所以部長你要搞清楚不是520之前\n\n14\n00:05:15,214 --> 00:05:33,624\n大家都等著結束然後什麼都不管放的都不管捏部長我覺得今天你在這邊你跟我講這個是主計處的時候你不知道第一我覺得有一個可能你沒有說實話第二個大家都等著520下班什麼都放的不知道因為我覺得\n\n15\n00:05:35,060 --> 00:05:37,102\n我認為委員這樣說是不公平每一位在職的都是用心盡心盡力的在工作\n\n16\n00:05:58,504 --> 00:06:15,789\n至於我覺得這個數據跟你後續有關係我覺得你應該更主動的去了解就你今天回應我的我個人我是不滿意啦但是我覺得部長要更用心去了解到底要撥補多少因為到底健保要撥補多少\n\n17\n00:06:16,849 --> 00:06:43,882\n老闆要撥補多少台電要撥補多少因為這個後續對於CPI的預測影響台電要漲多少對於你後面CPI的影響其實也是有影響的所以我覺得這些經濟數據我覺得無論主計處你這邊其實都要精準的掌握住才對這才會拿到人民的感受度到底多少你們應該是長記在心裡部長因為我今天有第二個問題要問也非常重要部長你住在新北市對不對\n\n18\n00:06:45,666 --> 00:06:52,895\n我是好那個你有沒有朋友或你自己了不了解我們現在的包租代管\n\n19\n00:06:56,029 --> 00:07:24,515\n社會正義裏面含居住正義居住正義裏面的包租貸款是我們現在我們社宅很重要的一環因為我們不可能有那麼多的土地去蓋社宅你同意嗎包租貸款政策做得好像很重要好你知不知道賴清德跟蔡英文他們個別當時承諾的社會自主住宅到底有多少戶應該達到多少戶18年是20萬戶有自有興建也有包租貸款賴清德要達到多少\n\n20\n00:07:24,975 --> 00:07:25,195\n國有財產的國有房屋也\n\n21\n00:07:43,484 --> 00:08:11,385\n不是你的主要業務但是後面我會問你因為現在是12.8戶我來看一下我們前面的數據現在新北台北市3296新北這個大概都可以看台北市包租代管的業務的戶數遠低於其他的直轄市原因在哪裡部長你知道現在一坪在新北跟台北租金是多少你住新北那你知道新北的租金一坪大概是多少錢嗎\n\n22\n00:08:14,632 --> 00:08:19,794\n一坪大概在新北是902塊,在台北的租金一坪是1603塊,在桃園是702塊,台南我就不再唸了,我的PPT上面有所以我們現在是一萬五千塊以下可以免所得稅、課稅的部分\n\n23\n00:08:36,380 --> 00:09:04,747\n所以我更認為如果居住正義要更落實的更好包租代管的業務非常非常的重要所以我認為在所謂一萬五千塊免所得稅的課稅的這個政策是我覺得應該要有各縣市差異的不同你同意吧因為我剛才講的在台北市你可能一萬五你可能只可以租到九坪到十坪嘛\n\n24\n00:09:06,727 --> 00:09:25,258\n在新北你可能可以租更多但是你的包租代管業務就沒有辦法做得更好我覺得居住正義是所有政黨都在推動如何去落實無論賴清德或蔡英文的政策落實社會正義居住正義我覺得在這一件政策上\n\n25\n00:09:26,331 --> 00:09:49,478\n我覺得我們就要各縣市差異化的政策來推出來課稅每一個縣市不一樣你同意我的邏輯嗎跟委員在這裡包租貸款除了房東的每個月有一萬五千塊的所得稅免稅之免報繳所得稅之外另外還有就是他的費用的就是裝修費用的部長也提高他的比例我只剩下15秒因為房屋稅跟地價稅我現在在幫助\n\n26\n00:09:53,639 --> 00:10:18,696\n蔡英文跟賴清德落實居住正義我們怎麼樣把包租代管政策落實得更好所以我提出來在課稅的政策上應該要有各縣市的差異化的處理方向你同意我的說法嗎目前來說是一萬五那至於這個部分要不要做各縣市的差異化我覺得我們可以跟內政部來做討論\n\n27\n00:10:20,205 --> 00:10:21,406\n因為這個在住宅房裏面規定因為這個在住宅房裏面規定\n\n28\n00:10:46,485 --> 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的國有房屋也\n不是你的主要業務但是後面我會問你因為現在是12.8戶我來看一下我們前面的數據現在新北台北市3296新北這個大概都可以看台北市包租代管的業務的戶數遠低於其他的直轄市原因在哪裡部長你知道現在一坪在新北跟台北租金是多少你住新北那你知道新北的租金一坪大概是多少錢嗎\n一坪大概在新北是902塊,在台北的租金一坪是1603塊,在桃園是702塊,台南我就不再唸了,我的PPT上面有所以我們現在是一萬五千塊以下可以免所得稅、課稅的部分\n所以我更認為如果居住正義要更落實的更好包租代管的業務非常非常的重要所以我認為在所謂一萬五千塊免所得稅的課稅的這個政策是我覺得應該要有各縣市差異的不同你同意吧因為我剛才講的在台北市你可能一萬五你可能只可以租到九坪到十坪嘛\n在新北你可能可以租更多但是你的包租代管業務就沒有辦法做得更好我覺得居住正義是所有政黨都在推動如何去落實無論賴清德或蔡英文的政策落實社會正義居住正義我覺得在這一件政策上\n我覺得我們就要各縣市差異化的政策來推出來課稅每一個縣市不一樣你同意我的邏輯嗎跟委員在這裡包租貸款除了房東的每個月有一萬五千塊的所得稅免稅之免報繳所得稅之外另外還有就是他的費用的就是裝修費用的部長也提高他的比例我只剩下15秒因為房屋稅跟地價稅我現在在幫助\n蔡英文跟賴清德落實居住正義我們怎麼樣把包租代管政策落實得更好所以我提出來在課稅的政策上應該要有各縣市的差異化的處理方向你同意我的說法嗎目前來說是一萬五那至於這個部分要不要做各縣市的差異化我覺得我們可以跟內政部來做討論\n因為這個在住宅房裏面規定因為這個在住宅房裏面規定\n王世堅委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:21.389\n我關注在總質詢的時候陳建仁陳院長有回應說我們今年超徵的稅收是3617億元決定要做一些台電跟勞保健保的優先規劃要撥補這樣的規劃跟政策方向部長你到底清不清楚\n\n00:22.898 --> 00:27.260\n跟委員報告有關我們的稅收超過這個預算數的部分那我們就我們財政部來說第一個就是減少舉債第二就增加還債其他就累積到稅基剩餘至於這個到稅基剩餘或在國庫裡面有多少錢去怎麼配置的話不找時間不多你直接回應我到底昨天院長已經講了在院會已經有宣布要撥補台電勞健保\n\n00:50.673 --> 00:59.239\n這個政策方向是不是真的?院裡面到底有沒有開過會?你到底知不知道?你完全不知道?你完全不知道方向?今天已經3月7日\n\n01:06.864 --> 01:12.788\n去年我們普發現金的時候1月12日就已經決定這個超徵的稅收要怎麼花今天已經3月份了你到現在還不知道去年的時候有關這個就是易後強化的一個韌性的這個條例還是說有選舉年的時候決定要普發現金我們1月份就可以知道超徵的稅收要怎麼處理\n\n01:28.880 --> 01:42.308\n但那今年因為沒有選舉年到現在到底這個超生稅收明年要怎麼去處理是邊路稅入剩餘在做後續的處理還是要你完全沒有方向嗎還是要跟委員報告稅出的部分是主計總署的執掌部長我覺得因為這個我為什麼會這樣子問所以你完全也不知道說到底要撥補多少你完全沒有方向也不知道\n\n01:59.387 --> 02:27.002\n到底台電要撥補多少錢沒有討論過你連聽都沒聽過這是行政院會在討論的是你都沒有參與相關的會議我沒有參加部裡面沒有任何一個人參加那難道陳建仁院長在質詢台上講出來的話都沒有找過主計處財政部開過會嗎跟委員報告主計總處的執掌至於主計總處有沒有參加那是要主計總處才知道\n\n02:29.095 --> 02:48.640\n部長也就是說你完全不知道那我知道啦就選舉年的時候決定那個那個普發現金的時候才會找你們進訴的跟委員報告普發現金那是整個強化社會韌性跟經濟韌性那當時有個特別條例以及特別預算的排列那今年113年的預算已經都籌編完畢了\n\n02:50.140 --> 03:03.550\n今年整體上來說人民也講說這兩三年都是過去20年來經濟成果最好的時刻人民可能不這麼想今年決定要怎麼做大家都在看我為什麼這麼說因為今年下個月開始我們經濟部要開始開這個電價審議委員會\n\n03:10.015 --> 03:27.476\n剛剛有前一個委員郭委員有討論到我們CPI的物價指數其實已經高到1.85你知道人民CPI民眾忍受的最高的期限是多少嗎我想對民眾來說物價的穩定是非常重要的那人民的忍受度最高你都不知道喔\n\n03:28.937 --> 03:44.743\n這個忍受度每一個人也不一樣你是財政部部長欸這個數據現在是1.85人民CPI忍受的期限是2.0你知道一個電價如果按照過去大概維持電價調整10%的話\n\n03:47.344 --> 03:57.029\n你知道對於整體CPI影響大概多大嗎?當然會有影響因為電價調整尤其對於所謂的部長你如果身為財政部部長對於這些重要的數據統計跟相關的預測數據你都不清楚的話如果在討論這些相關電價到底調10%、15%、20%對人民稅收還有包括剛剛在討論的負稅、關稅今年要不要持續的有優惠的減免\n\n04:16.318 --> 04:39.968\n這些都是環環相控的議題你現在回答我不知道我覺得這件事情讓我不可置信你知道嗎接下來回答我時間不多我還是要問你說3月底到底要討論的電價的這個議題到底你認為撥補多少是一個合理的數據跟委員說明有關電價的調整還有審議委員會在審議那他們會根據相關的數據來做討論\n\n04:46.130 --> 05:07.748\n但是撥補多少都會影響CPI的指數你同意我講這句話嗎?撥補多少第一會影響到電價審議委員會到底要調整多少對不對那這後續也會影響到CPI的指數我這個邏輯你同意嗎?同意你可能不了解這個相關的經濟預測指數但是這個是環環相扣的數據影響所以部長你要搞清楚不是520之前\n\n05:15.214 --> 05:33.624\n大家都等著結束然後什麼都不管放的都不管捏部長我覺得今天你在這邊你跟我講這個是主計處的時候你不知道第一我覺得有一個可能你沒有說實話第二個大家都等著520下班什麼都放的不知道因為我覺得\n\n05:35.060 --> 05:37.102\n我認為委員這樣說是不公平每一位在職的都是用心盡心盡力的在工作\n\n05:58.504 --> 06:15.789\n至於我覺得這個數據跟你後續有關係我覺得你應該更主動的去了解就你今天回應我的我個人我是不滿意啦但是我覺得部長要更用心去了解到底要撥補多少因為到底健保要撥補多少\n\n06:16.849 --> 06:43.882\n老闆要撥補多少台電要撥補多少因為這個後續對於CPI的預測影響台電要漲多少對於你後面CPI的影響其實也是有影響的所以我覺得這些經濟數據我覺得無論主計處你這邊其實都要精準的掌握住才對這才會拿到人民的感受度到底多少你們應該是長記在心裡部長因為我今天有第二個問題要問也非常重要部長你住在新北市對不對\n\n06:45.666 --> 06:52.895\n我是好那個你有沒有朋友或你自己了不了解我們現在的包租代管\n\n06:56.029 --> 07:24.515\n社會正義裏面含居住正義居住正義裏面的包租貸款是我們現在我們社宅很重要的一環因為我們不可能有那麼多的土地去蓋社宅你同意嗎包租貸款政策做得好像很重要好你知不知道賴清德跟蔡英文他們個別當時承諾的社會自主住宅到底有多少戶應該達到多少戶18年是20萬戶有自有興建也有包租貸款賴清德要達到多少\n\n07:24.975 --> 07:25.195\n國有財產的國有房屋也\n\n07:43.484 --> 08:11.385\n不是你的主要業務但是後面我會問你因為現在是12.8戶我來看一下我們前面的數據現在新北台北市3296新北這個大概都可以看台北市包租代管的業務的戶數遠低於其他的直轄市原因在哪裡部長你知道現在一坪在新北跟台北租金是多少你住新北那你知道新北的租金一坪大概是多少錢嗎\n\n08:14.632 --> 08:19.794\n一坪大概在新北是902塊,在台北的租金一坪是1603塊,在桃園是702塊,台南我就不再唸了,我的PPT上面有所以我們現在是一萬五千塊以下可以免所得稅、課稅的部分\n\n08:36.380 --> 09:04.747\n所以我更認為如果居住正義要更落實的更好包租代管的業務非常非常的重要所以我認為在所謂一萬五千塊免所得稅的課稅的這個政策是我覺得應該要有各縣市差異的不同你同意吧因為我剛才講的在台北市你可能一萬五你可能只可以租到九坪到十坪嘛\n\n09:06.727 --> 09:25.258\n在新北你可能可以租更多但是你的包租代管業務就沒有辦法做得更好我覺得居住正義是所有政黨都在推動如何去落實無論賴清德或蔡英文的政策落實社會正義居住正義我覺得在這一件政策上\n\n09:26.331 --> 09:49.478\n我覺得我們就要各縣市差異化的政策來推出來課稅每一個縣市不一樣你同意我的邏輯嗎跟委員在這裡包租貸款除了房東的每個月有一萬五千塊的所得稅免稅之免報繳所得稅之外另外還有就是他的費用的就是裝修費用的部長也提高他的比例我只剩下15秒因為房屋稅跟地價稅我現在在幫助\n\n09:53.639 --> 10:18.696\n蔡英文跟賴清德落實居住正義我們怎麼樣把包租代管政策落實得更好所以我提出來在課稅的政策上應該要有各縣市的差異化的處理方向你同意我的說法嗎目前來說是一萬五那至於這個部分要不要做各縣市的差異化我覺得我們可以跟內政部來做討論\n\n10:20.205 --> 10:21.406\n因為這個在住宅房裏面規定因為這個在住宅房裏面規定\n\n10:46.485 --> 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