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00:02:14,807\n那我想請問一下,你們民進黨高層有沒有受益說我們520之後,我們部長還有我們的食藥署署長有沒有機會繼續留任?署長是事務官,所以520會影響到的是我\n\n7\n00:02:35,135 --> 00:03:00,425\n那部長你自己的看法呢?所以部長還是如果有機會還是繼續留任嗎?那署長有沒有意願繼續留任?還是看上面的意思?因為今天國民黨有召開記者會要求我們吳署長應該要下台負責我想了解一下署長對自己這件事情的看法\n\n8\n00:03:02,185 --> 00:03:23,751\n因為他是事務官事務官有事務官的體制所以我想他個人這一個的話不表示意見不需要表示意見所以部長跟署長針對這事情就是順勢啦看上面怎麼安排就怎麼做那是我那請部長跟吳署長回答那我請問健保署的署長好謝謝涂委員好\n\n9\n00:03:29,777 --> 00:03:48,867\n市署長我最近因為針對那個陸配入籍的問題有影響到健保的問題那我想請問一下我們外籍人士在臺灣他來有持居留文件之後他什麼條件下可以參加健保\n\n10\n00:03:50,646 --> 00:04:12,194\n我們是根據這個健保法第9條的規定如果有居留證明文件之後那麼分成三種樣態一種是如果是受僱受聘的話那麼立刻就可以加入健保有關係我們簡單回答正常有居留文件數滿6個月就可以參加健保如果是受僱的話馬上就可以加入健保\n\n11\n00:04:12,614 --> 00:04:41,435\n那如果沒有受雇的情形下的話就要有6個月那我請問一下這些外籍人士他有包含這個入港澳嗎?就是像大陸啊澳門啊香港這些都是屬於那個第9條的規定所以所有的外籍人士包含入配包含入港澳這些都是在外籍人士所以他正常來講規範都是一樣的嘛\n\n12\n00:04:41,975 --> 00:04:59,464\n對,我們是在健保法第8條規定具有中華民國國籍,我國國籍,第9條是沒有國籍的所以這個參加健保並不會因為他陸配入籍6年或4年,其實他的規範是一樣的只要哪一台居留滿他的規範是一樣的,對不對\n\n13\n00:05:01,004 --> 00:05:22,269\n這個條件是一個是居留這名文件那這個陸配的並不會因為陸配6年4年的關係影響陸配沒有影響對所以都是一樣的對好那所以我們就說陸港澳及外籍人士只要持有居留文件並在台居留滿6個月他的條件是一樣都可以參加健保而且我們的\n\n14\n00:05:24,350 --> 00:05:42,588\n總統當選人賴清德之前也有講他說健保牽涉的是我們的健康人權所以人權是沒有國界的那當然包含我們的外配、陸配等等他居然已經嫁來台灣我覺得嫁來台灣他就是我們的家人那居然是我們的家人我們就不應該要有所歧視對不對\n\n15\n00:05:43,709 --> 00:06:10,382\n目前的話外籍配偶的條件都一致沒有錯對嘛所以基本上他這個參加健保還有我們賴清德有講這個人權無國界然後我覺得說嫁來台灣大家都是平等的對待那所以我們針對我們民進黨政府他在兩公約第三次國家報告的時候都會講大陸配偶來台取得身份證的年限調整與外籍配偶一致\n\n16\n00:06:10,862 --> 00:06:37,402\n已經擬聚臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第17條的新修正草案現在就等立法院完成這個立法的程序所以這個當初就是我們民進黨提出的那我們來講政黨在政策的延續上是沒有分政黨的所以當初民進黨提出這個還沒有完成那我請問一下我們國民黨接續完成哪裡有什麼不對\n\n17\n00:06:38,163 --> 00:07:02,977\n不過跟委員報告剛剛講的是在配偶本身那麼權益不論是哪個國籍大家權益相當不過呢是最主要是在陸配的依親的規定上呢那麼跟其他是有不一樣那依親的那一塊確實因為年紀都是比較大的那對健保的影響那當然就是會涉及到較少用多的問題所以我說這個目標其實大家是一致的嘛\n\n18\n00:07:03,377 --> 00:07:18,340\n既然嫁來臺灣就是我們家人我們就不應該有所歧視嗎那我請問一下據我們署長這邊來瞭解一般外籍配偶來臺他大部分的年齡大部分年齡大概在什麼年齡層\n\n19\n00:07:20,625 --> 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那請一下我們薛部長好 邀請部長\n委員好部長那今天因為今天我看今天大家也是針對我們蘇丹紅的事件因為媒體一直在報導那記得在那天委員會的時候有詢問就是說這個部分其實在去年我們邊境查驗就已經查獲9件查獲9件那我說為什麼行政院3次的食安匯報還有一次的我們食安專報總檢討都沒有提到這個問題\n那我記得我們部長好像回覆說,你說這個問題是需要累積的,是不是這樣?對,因為其實是七件啦,去年是七件,七件是分布在不同的月份那我們納悶的是,其實他短短不到一年的時間就已經查獲了九件,那九件這樣子累積數量還不夠嗎?\n對,所以到後來我們就是變成100%的抽菸的原因就在所以今天我也是提醒一下部長像這個你看即使已經查過那麼多件當下如果我們趕快超前部署趕快處理我覺得這個蘇丹雄事件應該不會爆發到這種程度前面第一時間沒有處理好你看後來到後市場端現在到已經一發不可收拾而且到底有多少食品我相信一定是陸陸續續爆發\n已經變成不是辣椒粉 咖哩粉 連很多的食品只要有染色顏色的問題我看都有參這個蘇丹紅所以我們現在準備要做的一件事情就是我們會把這個特點像蘇丹紅這類的不應該出現在食品裡面的這種工業染料工業原料的話我們會把它列為所謂的高危的這一個\n那我想請問一下,你們民進黨高層有沒有受益說我們520之後,我們部長還有我們的食藥署署長有沒有機會繼續留任?署長是事務官,所以520會影響到的是我\n那部長你自己的看法呢?所以部長還是如果有機會還是繼續留任嗎?那署長有沒有意願繼續留任?還是看上面的意思?因為今天國民黨有召開記者會要求我們吳署長應該要下台負責我想了解一下署長對自己這件事情的看法\n因為他是事務官事務官有事務官的體制所以我想他個人這一個的話不表示意見不需要表示意見所以部長跟署長針對這事情就是順勢啦看上面怎麼安排就怎麼做那是我那請部長跟吳署長回答那我請問健保署的署長好謝謝涂委員好\n市署長我最近因為針對那個陸配入籍的問題有影響到健保的問題那我想請問一下我們外籍人士在臺灣他來有持居留文件之後他什麼條件下可以參加健保\n我們是根據這個健保法第9條的規定如果有居留證明文件之後那麼分成三種樣態一種是如果是受僱受聘的話那麼立刻就可以加入健保有關係我們簡單回答正常有居留文件數滿6個月就可以參加健保如果是受僱的話馬上就可以加入健保\n那如果沒有受雇的情形下的話就要有6個月那我請問一下這些外籍人士他有包含這個入港澳嗎?就是像大陸啊澳門啊香港這些都是屬於那個第9條的規定所以所有的外籍人士包含入配包含入港澳這些都是在外籍人士所以他正常來講規範都是一樣的嘛\n對,我們是在健保法第8條規定具有中華民國國籍,我國國籍,第9條是沒有國籍的所以這個參加健保並不會因為他陸配入籍6年或4年,其實他的規範是一樣的只要哪一台居留滿他的規範是一樣的,對不對\n這個條件是一個是居留這名文件那這個陸配的並不會因為陸配6年4年的關係影響陸配沒有影響對所以都是一樣的對好那所以我們就說陸港澳及外籍人士只要持有居留文件並在台居留滿6個月他的條件是一樣都可以參加健保而且我們的\n總統當選人賴清德之前也有講他說健保牽涉的是我們的健康人權所以人權是沒有國界的那當然包含我們的外配、陸配等等他居然已經嫁來台灣我覺得嫁來台灣他就是我們的家人那居然是我們的家人我們就不應該要有所歧視對不對\n目前的話外籍配偶的條件都一致沒有錯對嘛所以基本上他這個參加健保還有我們賴清德有講這個人權無國界然後我覺得說嫁來台灣大家都是平等的對待那所以我們針對我們民進黨政府他在兩公約第三次國家報告的時候都會講大陸配偶來台取得身份證的年限調整與外籍配偶一致\n已經擬聚臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第17條的新修正草案現在就等立法院完成這個立法的程序所以這個當初就是我們民進黨提出的那我們來講政黨在政策的延續上是沒有分政黨的所以當初民進黨提出這個還沒有完成那我請問一下我們國民黨接續完成哪裡有什麼不對\n不過跟委員報告剛剛講的是在配偶本身那麼權益不論是哪個國籍大家權益相當不過呢是最主要是在陸配的依親的規定上呢那麼跟其他是有不一樣那依親的那一塊確實因為年紀都是比較大的那對健保的影響那當然就是會涉及到較少用多的問題所以我說這個目標其實大家是一致的嘛\n既然嫁來臺灣就是我們家人我們就不應該有所歧視嗎那我請問一下據我們署長這邊來瞭解一般外籍配偶來臺他大部分的年齡大部分年齡大概在什麼年齡層\n當然都是比較年輕的啦這個我根據當然在健保裡面是不會去特別去註記你是外籍配偶啦那這是勾結起來當然他的這個對啊所以一般就是比較年輕的嘛那我們以正常常態我們可以知道一般比較年輕力壯其實他看病的機會數是會比年長人少\n比例來講以我們現在就入籍配偶來講他現在的繳的保費跟醫療的支出大概是平衡的對啊所以我的意思是說還有就是說醫輕的問題像我們醫輕\n我們據我們了解他這來台一清一年的名額也大概只有60個所以我們針對最近有一些很多的問題尤其我們民進黨政府還有我們這個主管單位我們常常針對假新聞假訊息我們都說要澄清要來打擊這假新聞假訊息可是我剛剛問了很多的問題目前這很多的假新聞假訊息都在流竄\n不知道我們健保署針對這些很多的假新聞假訊息你們看到之後有沒有針對這些做一些調整跟委員報告現在的正義點主要可能在醫輕的部分因為醫輕剛剛也提到他的年齡上是比較高的醫療的使用率是高但是跟國人不同的是他是從加入健保之後才開始繳費\n有關係我希望我們比照辦理有時候主管單位針對假新聞假訊息我覺得還是要提出嚴正的說明那我們針對現在我們健保砍這個藥價我請問一下我們這個去年也爆發這個缺藥風波那現在我們要調降這個藥價那會不會也造成大缺藥之亂跟委員報告這一次調價的時候我們都有通知廠商\n據我們了解現在好像調降的大部分都是慢性用藥對不對?\n好,謝謝委員,好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:14.362 --> 00:17.905\n好那請一下我們薛部長好邀請部長\n\n00:23.369 --> 00:49.478\n委員好部長那今天因為今天我看今天大家也是針對我們蘇丹紅的事件因為媒體一直在報導那記得在那天委員會的時候有詢問就是說這個部分其實在去年我們邊境查驗就已經查獲9件查獲9件那我說為什麼行政院3次的食安匯報還有一次的我們食安專報總檢討都沒有提到這個問題\n\n00:52.819 --> 01:13.236\n那我記得我們部長好像回覆說,你說這個問題是需要累積的,是不是這樣?對,因為其實是七件啦,去年是七件,七件是分布在不同的月份那我們納悶的是,其實他短短不到一年的時間就已經查獲了九件,那九件這樣子累積數量還不夠嗎?\n\n01:15.097 --> 01:40.876\n對,所以到後來我們就是變成100%的抽菸的原因就在所以今天我也是提醒一下部長像這個你看即使已經查過那麼多件當下如果我們趕快超前部署趕快處理我覺得這個蘇丹雄事件應該不會爆發到這種程度前面第一時間沒有處理好你看後來到後市場端現在到已經一發不可收拾而且到底有多少食品我相信一定是陸陸續續爆發\n\n01:42.737 --> 02:05.683\n已經變成不是辣椒粉咖哩粉連很多的食品只要有染色顏色的問題我看都有參這個蘇丹紅所以我們現在準備要做的一件事情就是我們會把這個特點像蘇丹紅這類的不應該出現在食品裡面的這種工業染料工業原料的話我們會把它列為所謂的高危的這一個\n\n02:09.284 --> 02:14.807\n那我想請問一下,你們民進黨高層有沒有受益說我們520之後,我們部長還有我們的食藥署署長有沒有機會繼續留任?署長是事務官,所以520會影響到的是我\n\n02:35.135 --> 03:00.425\n那部長你自己的看法呢?所以部長還是如果有機會還是繼續留任嗎?那署長有沒有意願繼續留任?還是看上面的意思?因為今天國民黨有召開記者會要求我們吳署長應該要下台負責我想了解一下署長對自己這件事情的看法\n\n03:02.185 --> 03:23.751\n因為他是事務官事務官有事務官的體制所以我想他個人這一個的話不表示意見不需要表示意見所以部長跟署長針對這事情就是順勢啦看上面怎麼安排就怎麼做那是我那請部長跟吳署長回答那我請問健保署的署長好謝謝涂委員好\n\n03:29.777 --> 03:48.867\n市署長我最近因為針對那個陸配入籍的問題有影響到健保的問題那我想請問一下我們外籍人士在臺灣他來有持居留文件之後他什麼條件下可以參加健保\n\n03:50.646 --> 04:12.194\n我們是根據這個健保法第9條的規定如果有居留證明文件之後那麼分成三種樣態一種是如果是受僱受聘的話那麼立刻就可以加入健保有關係我們簡單回答正常有居留文件數滿6個月就可以參加健保如果是受僱的話馬上就可以加入健保\n\n04:12.614 --> 04:41.435\n那如果沒有受雇的情形下的話就要有6個月那我請問一下這些外籍人士他有包含這個入港澳嗎?就是像大陸啊澳門啊香港這些都是屬於那個第9條的規定所以所有的外籍人士包含入配包含入港澳這些都是在外籍人士所以他正常來講規範都是一樣的嘛\n\n04:41.975 --> 04:59.464\n對,我們是在健保法第8條規定具有中華民國國籍,我國國籍,第9條是沒有國籍的所以這個參加健保並不會因為他陸配入籍6年或4年,其實他的規範是一樣的只要哪一台居留滿他的規範是一樣的,對不對\n\n05:01.004 --> 05:22.269\n這個條件是一個是居留這名文件那這個陸配的並不會因為陸配6年4年的關係影響陸配沒有影響對所以都是一樣的對好那所以我們就說陸港澳及外籍人士只要持有居留文件並在台居留滿6個月他的條件是一樣都可以參加健保而且我們的\n\n05:24.350 --> 05:42.588\n總統當選人賴清德之前也有講他說健保牽涉的是我們的健康人權所以人權是沒有國界的那當然包含我們的外配、陸配等等他居然已經嫁來台灣我覺得嫁來台灣他就是我們的家人那居然是我們的家人我們就不應該要有所歧視對不對\n\n05:43.709 --> 06:10.382\n目前的話外籍配偶的條件都一致沒有錯對嘛所以基本上他這個參加健保還有我們賴清德有講這個人權無國界然後我覺得說嫁來台灣大家都是平等的對待那所以我們針對我們民進黨政府他在兩公約第三次國家報告的時候都會講大陸配偶來台取得身份證的年限調整與外籍配偶一致\n\n06:10.862 --> 06:37.402\n已經擬聚臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例第17條的新修正草案現在就等立法院完成這個立法的程序所以這個當初就是我們民進黨提出的那我們來講政黨在政策的延續上是沒有分政黨的所以當初民進黨提出這個還沒有完成那我請問一下我們國民黨接續完成哪裡有什麼不對\n\n06:38.163 --> 07:02.977\n不過跟委員報告剛剛講的是在配偶本身那麼權益不論是哪個國籍大家權益相當不過呢是最主要是在陸配的依親的規定上呢那麼跟其他是有不一樣那依親的那一塊確實因為年紀都是比較大的那對健保的影響那當然就是會涉及到較少用多的問題所以我說這個目標其實大家是一致的嘛\n\n07:03.377 --> 07:18.340\n既然嫁來臺灣就是我們家人我們就不應該有所歧視嗎那我請問一下據我們署長這邊來瞭解一般外籍配偶來臺他大部分的年齡大部分年齡大概在什麼年齡層\n\n07:20.625 --> 07:40.544\n當然都是比較年輕的啦這個我根據當然在健保裡面是不會去特別去註記你是外籍配偶啦那這是勾結起來當然他的這個對啊所以一般就是比較年輕的嘛那我們以正常常態我們可以知道一般比較年輕力壯其實他看病的機會數是會比年長人少\n\n07:41.752 --> 07:54.305\n比例來講以我們現在就入籍配偶來講他現在的繳的保費跟醫療的支出大概是平衡的對啊所以我的意思是說還有就是說醫輕的問題像我們醫輕\n\n07:57.068 --> 08:22.148\n我們據我們了解他這來台一清一年的名額也大概只有60個所以我們針對最近有一些很多的問題尤其我們民進黨政府還有我們這個主管單位我們常常針對假新聞假訊息我們都說要澄清要來打擊這假新聞假訊息可是我剛剛問了很多的問題目前這很多的假新聞假訊息都在流竄\n\n08:23.089 --> 08:45.052\n不知道我們健保署針對這些很多的假新聞假訊息你們看到之後有沒有針對這些做一些調整跟委員報告現在的正義點主要可能在醫輕的部分因為醫輕剛剛也提到他的年齡上是比較高的醫療的使用率是高但是跟國人不同的是他是從加入健保之後才開始繳費\n\n08:45.832 --> 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