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00:00:42,661\n然而目前國際的局勢其實十分的危險不安臺灣的國防安全更是危機重重我想請問部長全臺灣現在有幾條可以讓戰機起降的戰備道\n\n4\n00:00:49,694 --> 00:00:50,514\n這五條戰備到過去進行了幾次實際的起降演練呢?\n\n5\n00:01:14,618 --> 00:01:24,948\n在台海防衛戰中戰備道對於空軍的戰力其實是有非常重要的意義因為每次戰備道的開設其實都是非常的不容易\n\n6\n00:01:26,092 --> 00:01:28,294\n當然我們要有機會,我們還是要把握,就演練,演練還是必要的\n\n7\n00:01:48,206 --> 00:01:58,528\n一般我們會談到戰備道的起降就會想到瑞典、芬蘭和瑞士但是其實最近波蘭去年的時候為期有4天的軍事演習當中有4種不同的航空聯隊輪流在波蘭一條的戰備道上至少演練了12次的起降這跟台灣的過去戰備道起降的演練相比好像更加貼近實戰化請問部長你同意嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:13,971 --> 00:02:28,960\n我同意,但是我們國情的狀況,委員也應該能夠了解,我們國情從來不規避,講說麻煩不做,這越麻煩我們越要做,麻煩當中就訓練出我們怎麼樣來從事準備的項目,這都是正面的。\n\n9\n00:02:34,543 --> 00:02:44,127\n國防部的努力和難處其實本席都可以了解但是本席還是希望國防部要努力讓這種演練盡可能的貼近實際的情況像國防部昨天開始執行的跨職業的飛行訓練不是也頂著可能被居民罵的壓力嗎來做了夜間的作戰訓練嗎雖然本席也是曾經被民眾陳情反映過\n\n10\n00:02:58,533 --> 00:03:25,013\n但是針對這件事情本席還是希望非常支持國防部的做法只是要如何讓民眾瞭解還有做好敦親睦鄰的工作這個可能就是要考驗國防部的智慧了是這個的確我們還是要強化跟持續民間的溝通地方的諒解但我們也會來把我們儘量的減少對這個民眾的干擾好不好在這邊還有兩點\n\n11\n00:03:26,934 --> 00:03:42,918\n要呼籲部長的就是第一個就是戰備道的起降應該要長化性的納入軍事演習不要怕麻煩因為平常多流汗戰爭的時候就會少流血第二個是戰備道的起降的演練要盡可能貼近實戰化盡可能往最壞的狀況去想定去演練不要永遠都是一樣的劇本在重操演練\n\n12\n00:03:52,213 --> 00:03:54,835\n另外想請問部長,我們東部第6條的戰備道聽說已經開始傳聞很久了,但為何到現在都還是紙上談兵呢?直到前兩天開始又傳出有新的路段,請問部長這一次是不是真的會去做呢?\n\n13\n00:04:24,522 --> 00:04:48,088\n國軍戰備跑道不是因為要建戰備跑道才要建這個路而是因為地方政府相關部會要建一條路我們國軍參與HAC聯盟還蠻平整的稍微拓寬土質把它給改善一下就可以列為戰備跑道所以這個工作沒有停加上地方政府或者哪一部會覺得這個地方在環評有問題他停了我們也就停了\n\n14\n00:04:48,308 --> 00:04:48,668\n我絕對努力,對國軍有利。\n\n15\n00:05:15,543 --> 00:05:34,854\n部長最近我們有我國有第一艘自建的潛艦海昆號終於在移動到臺船的乾污的過程中露出了它的全貌那我們臺灣其實可以自行研發潛艦其實這是非常辛苦的肯定是我們外界很難想像的想請問部長海昆軍艦的潛望鏡還有軌桿還有電瓶的安裝完成了嗎\n\n16\n00:05:46,478 --> 00:05:58,631\n那海昆建現在的進度到底是在建造階段的末端,還是已經...是,但是有些工作他已經以風格就代表他的功能已經具備了\n\n17\n00:05:59,332 --> 00:06:17,626\n那我就是說一下就是我們海昆縣的測試工作就是要穩穩的做千萬不要受到任何的政治干擾可以嗎?絕對不會受到干擾我們一切以安全而且的確要通過測評我們才能夠啟用它這絕對的畢竟人命關天啊是謝謝委員OK\n\n18\n00:06:27,433 --> 00:06:42,702\n致致潛艦中開始形成戰力之前,我們最重要有一個水下戰力,就是現兩艘的艦龍級,所以想請教部長,去年海虎軍艦人員落水的意外,已經完成事故調查了是嗎?\n\n19\n00:06:43,662 --> 00:07:11,033\n人員還在搜尋當中但是有調查處調查海軍要說明一下好沒關係那請問部長你同不同意國防部有責任必須向社會做一個完整的交代呢所以我先跟委員報告任何事情發生都是遺憾國防部難辭其咎但我們檢討問題是從三方面環境機械跟人為環境當時環境不好\n\n20\n00:07:12,073 --> 00:07:13,634\n軍艦人員落水事件來龍去脈要好好交代清楚\n\n21\n00:07:33,289 --> 00:07:50,367\n美國海軍在過去幾年啊比較嚴重的海上事故都有公開非常詳細的事故調查報告我覺得像美軍這種透明公開的做法其實可以破除很多質疑也可以讓社會還有讓大家更相信軍隊\n\n22\n00:07:52,535 --> 00:08:14,928\n所以本席還是呼籲部長試著出一份事故調查報告內容長短沒有關係至少要能夠更清楚的破除所有的質疑這樣民眾才會對軍隊更加的信任所以我們有調查以後經過一個公正單位他們認定的我們是自然會公開但委員那邊其實需要的話我請海軍跟委員做說明\n\n23\n00:08:15,268 --> 00:08:17,469\n最後本席還有要提醒部長一下我們對美國採購的400枚陸基魚車飛彈為何到目前還是延遲交貨的狀況呢?可不可以請部長務必持續向美國方面傳達台灣防衛需求的急迫性呢?\n\n24\n00:08:34,597 --> 00:08:34,737\n有關魚叉飛彈的部分\n\n25\n00:08:55,822 --> 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這個的確我們還是要強化跟持續民間的溝通地方的諒解但我們也會來把我們儘量的減少對這個民眾的干擾好不好在這邊還有兩點\n206934\t222918\t要呼籲部長的就是第一個就是戰備道的起降應該要長化性的納入軍事演習不要怕麻煩因為平常多流汗戰爭的時候就會少流血第二個是戰備道的起降的演練要盡可能貼近實戰化盡可能往最壞的狀況去想定去演練不要永遠都是一樣的劇本在重操演練\n232213\t234835\t另外想請問部長,我們東部第6條的戰備道聽說已經開始傳聞很久了,但為何到現在都還是紙上談兵呢?直到前兩天開始又傳出有新的路段,請問部長這一次是不是真的會去做呢?\n264522\t288088\t國軍戰備跑道不是因為要建戰備跑道才要建這個路而是因為地方政府相關部會要建一條路我們國軍參與HAC聯盟還蠻平整的稍微拓寬土質把它給改善一下就可以列為戰備跑道所以這個工作沒有停加上地方政府或者哪一部會覺得這個地方在環評有問題他停了我們也就停了\n288308\t288668\t我絕對努力,對國軍有利。\n315543\t334854\t部長最近我們有我國有第一艘自建的潛艦海昆號終於在移動到臺船的乾污的過程中露出了它的全貌那我們臺灣其實可以自行研發潛艦其實這是非常辛苦的肯定是我們外界很難想像的想請問部長海昆軍艦的潛望鏡還有軌桿還有電瓶的安裝完成了嗎\n346478\t358631\t那海昆建現在的進度到底是在建造階段的末端,還是已經...是,但是有些工作他已經以風格就代表他的功能已經具備了\n359332\t377626\t那我就是說一下就是我們海昆縣的測試工作就是要穩穩的做千萬不要受到任何的政治干擾可以嗎?絕對不會受到干擾我們一切以安全而且的確要通過測評我們才能夠啟用它這絕對的畢竟人命關天啊是謝謝委員OK\n387433\t402702\t致致潛艦中開始形成戰力之前,我們最重要有一個水下戰力,就是現兩艘的艦龍級,所以想請教部長,去年海虎軍艦人員落水的意外,已經完成事故調查了是嗎?\n403662\t431033\t人員還在搜尋當中但是有調查處調查海軍要說明一下好沒關係那請問部長你同不同意國防部有責任必須向社會做一個完整的交代呢所以我先跟委員報告任何事情發生都是遺憾國防部難辭其咎但我們檢討問題是從三方面環境機械跟人為環境當時環境不好\n432073\t433634\t軍艦人員落水事件來龍去脈要好好交代清楚\n453289\t470367\t美國海軍在過去幾年啊比較嚴重的海上事故都有公開非常詳細的事故調查報告我覺得像美軍這種透明公開的做法其實可以破除很多質疑也可以讓社會還有讓大家更相信軍隊\n472535\t494928\t所以本席還是呼籲部長試著出一份事故調查報告內容長短沒有關係至少要能夠更清楚的破除所有的質疑這樣民眾才會對軍隊更加的信任所以我們有調查以後經過一個公正單位他們認定的我們是自然會公開但委員那邊其實需要的話我請海軍跟委員做說明\n495268\t497469\t最後本席還有要提醒部長一下我們對美國採購的400枚陸基魚車飛彈為何到目前還是延遲交貨的狀況呢?可不可以請部長務必持續向美國方面傳達台灣防衛需求的急迫性呢?\n514597\t514737\t有關魚叉飛彈的部分\n535822\t536022\t謝謝林憶君委員\n","txt":"主席好有請部長上台來部長請\n林委員好部長好部長常年擔任保家衛國的重責年輕的時候留美然後又留學非洲擔任過退伍會的主委還有國安局的局長現在你擔任國防部長所以都在守護台灣人民的安全所以這相信全國的人民都是有目共睹的\n然而目前國際的局勢其實十分的危險不安臺灣的國防安全更是危機重重我想請問部長全臺灣現在有幾條可以讓戰機起降的戰備道\n這五條戰備到過去進行了幾次實際的起降演練呢?\n在台海防衛戰中戰備道對於空軍的戰力其實是有非常重要的意義因為每次戰備道的開設其實都是非常的不容易\n當然我們要有機會,我們還是要把握,就演練,演練還是必要的\n一般我們會談到戰備道的起降就會想到瑞典、芬蘭和瑞士但是其實最近波蘭去年的時候為期有4天的軍事演習當中有4種不同的航空聯隊輪流在波蘭一條的戰備道上至少演練了12次的起降這跟台灣的過去戰備道起降的演練相比好像更加貼近實戰化請問部長你同意嗎?\n我同意,但是我們國情的狀況,委員也應該能夠了解,我們國情從來不規避,講說麻煩不做,這越麻煩我們越要做,麻煩當中就訓練出我們怎麼樣來從事準備的項目,這都是正面的。\n國防部的努力和難處其實本席都可以了解但是本席還是希望國防部要努力讓這種演練盡可能的貼近實際的情況像國防部昨天開始執行的跨職業的飛行訓練不是也頂著可能被居民罵的壓力嗎來做了夜間的作戰訓練嗎雖然本席也是曾經被民眾陳情反映過\n但是針對這件事情本席還是希望非常支持國防部的做法只是要如何讓民眾瞭解還有做好敦親睦鄰的工作這個可能就是要考驗國防部的智慧了是 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