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00:02:26,220\n父親已經被除籍了先申請附籍然後再來趕快來辦小孩的這個戶籍然後再來趕快把小孩辦護照\n\n9\n00:02:28,215 --> 00:02:54,554\n當然這個臺胞證這個時間我們沒有辦法去協助臺胞證還是等到他們回到中國去工作的時候在當地的這個當位去辦理臺胞證未來這個臺灣臺灣嬰仔才可以讓他們這樣帶回來臺灣算臺灣人這種種的故事非常多吼包含這個兩岸之間的這些故事包含這個到底這些外國其他的國籍的人\n\n10\n00:02:55,454 --> 00:03:20,314\n進入臺灣戶籍的這一些過程裡面其實有非常多的故事但是重點是一個就是我剛剛聽了很多委員做了這個比較之後那邱主委這邊的看法還是一樣就是本國陸籍跟外國籍跟其他國籍我們必須要一併的來做考量來主委這一些通盤的考量當然在這邊可能講不完\n\n11\n00:03:20,934 --> 00:03:48,023\n但是確實牽涉到第一個國安第二個健保的議題是必須要不是誰說的對但是我們也把這些問題拿出來讓大家來參考一下讓國人來評斷一下到底這些問題是什麼首先國安反滲透法國安法等等的這些問題確實會讓所有的陸配在台灣會有一點點政治上的一些\n\n12\n00:03:49,103 --> 00:04:12,494\n顧忌這個是在香港已經在發生的第二個健保的議題我舉我在2019年曾經在高雄選舉的場合裡面來提出當年國民黨的委員在立法院提案修改兩岸人民關係條例第16條符合強照資格的陸級的陸配的\n\n13\n00:04:13,875 --> 00:04:20,562\n父母親可以申請來台灣使用台灣的長照的這些相關的服務等等的\n\n14\n00:04:21,298 --> 00:04:46,146\n當然國民黨的這個案例呢他在提案之後的兩個禮拜內撤案了那我也知道現在國民黨委員也已經又提案了修改兩岸人民關係條例第17條並且拿來跟這個外國人要入籍台灣的外國配偶要入籍台灣的來做相關的比較那我先講我在2019年後來我被告了忘記了\n\n15\n00:04:48,629 --> 00:05:05,144\n我被告的當然我們這個臺灣我們是中華民國是法治的國家被告一定是進入司法程序有檢察官叫我去問問說當初為什麼要把這一件案子披露對方說他已經撤案了你為什麼還是要講出來我想\n\n16\n00:05:06,092 --> 00:05:31,719\n既然在立法院已經在立法院的公報上面有這個提案有這個緣由也有其他委員簽名那就需要承認這個事實你有這個提案的動機後來在得到高雄地檢署的不起訴處分是在選後的三個月內高雄地檢署就給我不起訴處分不起訴處分的我在講他還是繼續告\n\n17\n00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:59,975\n還是繼續告告到高檢署在2020年的8月4號我收到高檢署不起訴處分的確定那裡面的內容是這樣子寫的就主管機關台灣是屬兩岸條例第16條雖然規範大陸地區人民來台所謂申請制主管機關有權\n\n18\n00:06:01,877 --> 00:06:08,177\n有博准權限也就是剛剛其他委員講到的我們一年60位但是\n\n19\n00:06:10,185 --> 00:06:32,654\n我所擔心的就是我是被告所擔心的侵蝕健保的疑慮就是會造成侵蝕健保的疑慮所以給我不起訴處分這個是2020年8月4號我們高檢署對於這一個上一次中國國民黨要提案修改兩岸人民關係條例第16條的記錄在這裡我是當事人\n\n20\n00:06:37,199 --> 00:06:57,006\n那所以說對於目前要討論的這個我覺得不一定說走到法院或不一定等到可能下一次選舉是4年之後又有相關的法院的認證我想我們現在就詳實的對於我們在國會公開的把這些利害都說明出來\n\n21\n00:06:57,886 --> 00:07:26,782\n讓所有的國人知道修改兩岸人民關係條例的路配的年限到底造成健保的哪一些影響或者到底國安造成國安的哪一些影響甚至我們其他新住民委員認為他們應該有哪一些權益也應該要比照兩岸人民關係條例裡面的路配等等的我想這些都一併的必須要拿出來做討論的最後其實邱主委在這個陸委會主委期間我看\n\n22\n00:07:27,332 --> 00:07:27,772\n最後請主委就\n\n23\n00:07:56,126 --> 00:08:16,558\n這個潘朵拉的盒子來評論一下到底這個陸配以及外配最大最大你認為在這一個事件裡面的修法的過程裡面我們要怎麼樣推動可以照顧到陸配而且也可以讓外配覺得我們有相同的權利\n\n24\n00:08:18,579 --> 00:08:34,687\n確實感謝委員提供一些過去的一些案例給我們做一些參考不過我要講的就是確實站在陸委會的立場我們希望能夠再凝聚社會更多的共識因為這個特別是我們最擔心的就是比較表一出來\n\n25\n00:08:36,648 --> 00:08:54,516\n陸培不是壞人,但是我們希望可以同等照顧他們所以我們不希望把陸培拿來當大家變成是無樣的第三者所以這也就是說我們第一個希望大家審慎要評估利弊得失因為這個連動下去還有很多的法制也要跟著修這個是知識體大\n\n26\n00:08:57,377 --> 00:09:18,696\n對岸我們當然都理解對岸他要軍事崛起強國那我們當然這是人家的國家政策但是如果他造成大家的緊張採取的手段又是過去所沒有的不管是武力的威脅貿易的報復什麼等等我想這個都不是一個文明國家所所有的應有的作為\n\n27\n00:09:20,637 --> 00:09:31,667\n臺灣還是本質我們不會挑釁當然我們也不會這個現在國際最大的共識就是希望維持兩岸我想蔡總統的所謂的維持現狀這樣的一個路線基本上獲得國際很多的支持所以我想我們會秉持這樣的一個路線繼續的來維護兩岸的這樣的和平\n\n28\n00:09:41,795 --> 00:09:42,015\n丁薛忠委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4182\t7496\t謝謝 我們請陸委會邱主委好 我們有請邱主委 謝謝\n11734\t34418\t謝謝主委 確實這個陸配跟以及其他外配到底這個入籍中華民國國籍需要多少時間真的需要整體性的考量那每一位選區選出來的委員他其實身上都有非常非常多的案例比如說曾經協助過相關的案例那認為怎麼樣可以去改善那或者是我舉兩個案例我一個同學\n37699\t63814\t他娶了他們去英國留學之後回來跟一個香港女孩結婚結婚的時候才發現當然後來才知道這位在香港長大的女孩就是我同學的老婆她其實是英國籍所以說香港籍跟英國籍要進要入中華民國戶籍的標準就不一樣了對不對好另外一個我的同學嫁到美國\n64841\t79497\t那他先生在美國工作那進來台灣當然也有討論過小朋友入籍的問題等等的那是不是難度就更大了又有更多的問題有一個讓人很感動的例子齁\n80626\t96137\t一個年輕人那他們也是國外念書之後他跟他老婆結婚那老婆在成都在成都工作那先生也到成都到我們臺灣某大廠也一起工作在那裡生了小孩\n96937\t115265\t但是包含這個阿公啦他也很堅持說你在小孩在中國出生那要算中國籍嗎那如果不要算中國籍的話他要怎麼樣回來台灣規劃台灣的戶籍而且又遇到疫情期間你知道多辛苦\n115985\t136198\t在疫情期間呢他就在中國的這個出生證明拿到之後還拿一個未入籍中國的證明拿這個未入籍的中國的證明再拿著一個臨時出入臨時出入海關的這個通行證一次進一次出而且在他短短的這個年假裡面回來台灣\n137780\t146220\t父親已經被除籍了先申請附籍然後再來趕快來辦小孩的這個戶籍然後再來趕快把小孩辦護照\n148215\t174554\t當然這個臺胞證這個時間我們沒有辦法去協助臺胞證還是等到他們回到中國去工作的時候在當地的這個當位去辦理臺胞證未來這個臺灣 臺灣嬰仔才可以讓他們這樣帶回來臺灣算臺灣人這種種的故事非常多吼包含這個兩岸之間的這些故事包含這個到底這些外國其他的國籍的人\n175454\t200314\t進入臺灣戶籍的這一些過程裡面其實有非常多的故事但是重點是一個就是我剛剛聽了很多委員做了這個比較之後那邱主委這邊的看法還是一樣就是本國陸籍跟外國籍跟其他國籍我們必須要一併的來做考量來主委這一些通盤的考量當然在這邊可能講不完\n200934\t228023\t但是確實牽涉到第一個國安第二個健保的議題是必須要不是誰說的對但是我們也把這些問題拿出來讓大家來參考一下讓國人來評斷一下到底這些問題是什麼首先國安反滲透法國安法等等的這些問題確實會讓所有的陸配在台灣會有一點點政治上的一些\n229103\t252494\t顧忌這個是在香港已經在發生的第二個健保的議題我舉我在2019年曾經在高雄選舉的場合裡面來提出當年國民黨的委員在立法院提案修改兩岸人民關係條例第16條符合強照資格的陸級的陸配的\n253875\t260562\t父母親可以申請來台灣使用台灣的長照的這些相關的服務等等的\n261298\t286146\t當然國民黨的這個案例呢他在提案之後的兩個禮拜內撤案了那我也知道現在國民黨委員也已經又提案了修改兩岸人民關係條例第17條並且拿來跟這個外國人要入籍台灣的外國配偶要入籍台灣的來做相關的比較那我先講我在2019年後來我被告了忘記了\n288629\t305144\t我被告的當然我們這個臺灣我們是中華民國是法治的國家被告一定是進入司法程序有檢察官叫我去問問說當初為什麼要把這一件案子披露對方說他已經撤案了你為什麼還是要講出來我想\n306092\t331719\t既然在立法院已經在立法院的公報上面有這個提案有這個緣由也有其他委員簽名那就需要承認這個事實你有這個提案的動機後來在得到高雄地檢署的不起訴處分是在選後的三個月內高雄地檢署就給我不起訴處分不起訴處分的我在講他還是繼續告\n333079\t359975\t還是繼續告告到高檢署在2020年的8月4號我收到高檢署不起訴處分的確定那裡面的內容是這樣子寫的就主管機關台灣是屬兩岸條例第16條雖然規範大陸地區人民來台所謂申請制主管機關有權\n361877\t368177\t有博准權限也就是剛剛其他委員講到的我們一年60位但是\n370185\t392654\t我所擔心的就是我是被告所擔心的侵蝕健保的疑慮就是會造成侵蝕健保的疑慮所以給我不起訴處分這個是2020年8月4號我們高檢署對於這一個上一次中國國民黨要提案修改兩岸人民關係條例第16條的記錄在這裡我是當事人\n397199\t417006\t那所以說對於目前要討論的這個我覺得不一定說走到法院或不一定等到可能下一次選舉是4年之後又有相關的法院的認證我想我們現在就詳實的對於我們在國會公開的把這些利害都說明出來\n417886\t446782\t讓所有的國人知道修改兩岸人民關係條例的路配的年限到底造成健保的哪一些影響或者到底國安造成國安的哪一些影響甚至我們其他新住民委員認為他們應該有哪一些權益也應該要比照兩岸人民關係條例裡面的路配等等的我想這些都一併的必須要拿出來做討論的最後其實邱主委在這個陸委會主委期間我看\n447332\t447772\t最後請主委就\n476126\t496558\t這個潘朵拉的盒子來評論一下到底這個陸配以及外配最大最大你認為在這一個事件裡面的修法的過程裡面我們要怎麼樣推動可以照顧到陸配而且也可以讓外配覺得我們有相同的權利\n498579\t514687\t確實感謝委員提供一些過去的一些案例給我們做一些參考不過我要講的就是確實站在陸委會的立場我們希望能夠再凝聚社會更多的共識因為這個特別是我們最擔心的就是比較表一出來\n516648\t534516\t陸培不是壞人,但是我們希望可以同等照顧他們所以我們不希望把陸培拿來當大家變成是無樣的第三者所以這也就是說我們第一個希望大家審慎要評估利弊得失因為這個連動下去還有很多的法制也要跟著修這個是知識體大\n537377\t558696\t對岸我們當然都理解對岸他要軍事崛起強國那我們當然這是人家的國家政策但是如果他造成大家的緊張採取的手段又是過去所沒有的不管是武力的威脅貿易的報復什麼等等我想這個都不是一個文明國家所所有的應有的作為\n560637\t571667\t臺灣還是本質我們不會挑釁當然我們也不會這個現在國際最大的共識就是希望維持兩岸我想蔡總統的所謂的維持現狀這樣的一個路線基本上獲得國際很多的支持所以我想我們會秉持這樣的一個路線繼續的來維護兩岸的這樣的和平\n581795\t582015\t丁薛忠委員\n","txt":"謝謝 我們請陸委會邱主委好 我們有請邱主委 謝謝\n謝謝主委 確實這個陸配跟以及其他外配到底這個入籍中華民國國籍需要多少時間真的需要整體性的考量那每一位選區選出來的委員他其實身上都有非常非常多的案例比如說曾經協助過相關的案例那認為怎麼樣可以去改善那或者是我舉兩個案例我一個同學\n他娶了他們去英國留學之後回來跟一個香港女孩結婚結婚的時候才發現當然後來才知道這位在香港長大的女孩就是我同學的老婆她其實是英國籍所以說香港籍跟英國籍要進要入中華民國戶籍的標準就不一樣了對不對好另外一個我的同學嫁到美國\n那他先生在美國工作那進來台灣當然也有討論過小朋友入籍的問題等等的那是不是難度就更大了又有更多的問題有一個讓人很感動的例子齁\n一個年輕人那他們也是國外念書之後他跟他老婆結婚那老婆在成都在成都工作那先生也到成都到我們臺灣某大廠也一起工作在那裡生了小孩\n但是包含這個阿公啦他也很堅持說你在小孩在中國出生那要算中國籍嗎那如果不要算中國籍的話他要怎麼樣回來台灣規劃台灣的戶籍而且又遇到疫情期間你知道多辛苦\n在疫情期間呢他就在中國的這個出生證明拿到之後還拿一個未入籍中國的證明拿這個未入籍的中國的證明再拿著一個臨時出入臨時出入海關的這個通行證一次進一次出而且在他短短的這個年假裡面回來台灣\n父親已經被除籍了先申請附籍然後再來趕快來辦小孩的這個戶籍然後再來趕快把小孩辦護照\n當然這個臺胞證這個時間我們沒有辦法去協助臺胞證還是等到他們回到中國去工作的時候在當地的這個當位去辦理臺胞證未來這個臺灣 臺灣嬰仔才可以讓他們這樣帶回來臺灣算臺灣人這種種的故事非常多吼包含這個兩岸之間的這些故事包含這個到底這些外國其他的國籍的人\n進入臺灣戶籍的這一些過程裡面其實有非常多的故事但是重點是一個就是我剛剛聽了很多委員做了這個比較之後那邱主委這邊的看法還是一樣就是本國陸籍跟外國籍跟其他國籍我們必須要一併的來做考量來主委這一些通盤的考量當然在這邊可能講不完\n但是確實牽涉到第一個國安第二個健保的議題是必須要不是誰說的對但是我們也把這些問題拿出來讓大家來參考一下讓國人來評斷一下到底這些問題是什麼首先國安反滲透法國安法等等的這些問題確實會讓所有的陸配在台灣會有一點點政治上的一些\n顧忌這個是在香港已經在發生的第二個健保的議題我舉我在2019年曾經在高雄選舉的場合裡面來提出當年國民黨的委員在立法院提案修改兩岸人民關係條例第16條符合強照資格的陸級的陸配的\n父母親可以申請來台灣使用台灣的長照的這些相關的服務等等的\n當然國民黨的這個案例呢他在提案之後的兩個禮拜內撤案了那我也知道現在國民黨委員也已經又提案了修改兩岸人民關係條例第17條並且拿來跟這個外國人要入籍台灣的外國配偶要入籍台灣的來做相關的比較那我先講我在2019年後來我被告了忘記了\n我被告的當然我們這個臺灣我們是中華民國是法治的國家被告一定是進入司法程序有檢察官叫我去問問說當初為什麼要把這一件案子披露對方說他已經撤案了你為什麼還是要講出來我想\n既然在立法院已經在立法院的公報上面有這個提案有這個緣由也有其他委員簽名那就需要承認這個事實你有這個提案的動機後來在得到高雄地檢署的不起訴處分是在選後的三個月內高雄地檢署就給我不起訴處分不起訴處分的我在講他還是繼續告\n還是繼續告告到高檢署在2020年的8月4號我收到高檢署不起訴處分的確定那裡面的內容是這樣子寫的就主管機關台灣是屬兩岸條例第16條雖然規範大陸地區人民來台所謂申請制主管機關有權\n有博准權限也就是剛剛其他委員講到的我們一年60位但是\n我所擔心的就是我是被告所擔心的侵蝕健保的疑慮就是會造成侵蝕健保的疑慮所以給我不起訴處分這個是2020年8月4號我們高檢署對於這一個上一次中國國民黨要提案修改兩岸人民關係條例第16條的記錄在這裡我是當事人\n那所以說對於目前要討論的這個我覺得不一定說走到法院或不一定等到可能下一次選舉是4年之後又有相關的法院的認證我想我們現在就詳實的對於我們在國會公開的把這些利害都說明出來\n讓所有的國人知道修改兩岸人民關係條例的路配的年限到底造成健保的哪一些影響或者到底國安造成國安的哪一些影響甚至我們其他新住民委員認為他們應該有哪一些權益也應該要比照兩岸人民關係條例裡面的路配等等的我想這些都一併的必須要拿出來做討論的最後其實邱主委在這個陸委會主委期間我看\n最後請主委就\n這個潘朵拉的盒子來評論一下到底這個陸配以及外配最大最大你認為在這一個事件裡面的修法的過程裡面我們要怎麼樣推動可以照顧到陸配而且也可以讓外配覺得我們有相同的權利\n確實感謝委員提供一些過去的一些案例給我們做一些參考不過我要講的就是確實站在陸委會的立場我們希望能夠再凝聚社會更多的共識因為這個特別是我們最擔心的就是比較表一出來\n陸培不是壞人,但是我們希望可以同等照顧他們所以我們不希望把陸培拿來當大家變成是無樣的第三者所以這也就是說我們第一個希望大家審慎要評估利弊得失因為這個連動下去還有很多的法制也要跟著修這個是知識體大\n對岸我們當然都理解對岸他要軍事崛起強國那我們當然這是人家的國家政策但是如果他造成大家的緊張採取的手段又是過去所沒有的不管是武力的威脅貿易的報復什麼等等我想這個都不是一個文明國家所所有的應有的作為\n臺灣還是本質我們不會挑釁當然我們也不會這個現在國際最大的共識就是希望維持兩岸我想蔡總統的所謂的維持現狀這樣的一個路線基本上獲得國際很多的支持所以我想我們會秉持這樣的一個路線繼續的來維護兩岸的這樣的和平\n丁薛忠委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.182 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