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00:02:10,732\n接下來我想請教一下院長不曉得您覺得我們故宮最重要的文化商品除了翠玉白菜還有肉形石跟毛公鼎以外在我們印象中最夯的有什麼樣子的文化商品?\n\n8\n00:02:13,659 --> 00:02:40,124\n故宮基本上來講的話有所謂人氣國寶人氣國寶的話就早期的所謂的什麼故宮三寶那時候教科書上有的就是翠白菜肉形石然後還有毛公頂但是故宮自己認定的北宋三寶的話是宦寬的西山行李圖李堂的萬貨送風跟郭熙的早春圖這三張作品的話其實在繪畫史上的話是無可匹敵的一個重要\n\n9\n00:02:40,784 --> 00:02:57,913\n所以那個院長講的應該是韓話那我們知道我們都選過這個故宮三寶那研究員的故宮三寶跟一般民間認知的故宮三寶雖然有落差可是都有它的價值但是呢一般大家可能在這幾年來印象最深的不知道院長有沒有聽過鄭知道了\n\n10\n00:03:00,934 --> 00:03:21,042\n有,因為這是屬於文獻列的檔案資料,所以它作為一個文創商品是賣得很夯是嗎?是的,因為我也帶學生去過,然後東南亞的學生也都搶購這樣子的一個商品。不知道您曉得它的產值大概有多少嗎?因為這是院內的資料。\n\n11\n00:03:23,343 --> 00:03:46,946\n好了就算不知道也沒關係我的PP上面大家看到那個膠袋正知道的膠袋大概200塊那據說兩年內至少已經成功的賣出14萬套所以這樣子的一個龍井在2013年左右讓我們看到了原來文化商品的這樣一個行銷或者是產值是可以達到某一種讓我們期待的\n\n12\n00:03:47,970 --> 00:03:50,332\n姑公有沒有像這樣子量能這麼高的文化商品讓大家有記憶的?\n\n13\n00:04:11,691 --> 00:04:35,441\n這是一個衍生性的直接由我們的典藏的圖檔資料裡面衍生的可是另外一種衍生商品的話其實在去年引起熱潮的是庫克柏利克熊就是說基本上來講的話是排隊購買的商品不好意思什麼熊啊抱歉在好沒有關係沒有關係那我想聽起來是一個很可愛的商品對是一個公仔\n\n14\n00:04:36,501 --> 00:05:02,743\n對,那是一個公仔但這個部分呢本席沒有像這個正知到了這樣子的一個聽說所以那這個部分我認為正知到了這樣一個很棒的商品在這已經邁入第11年那我覺得這個部分的投入大家可以再省思所以這個部分是不是可以請這個故宮讓我們的文化商品\n\n15\n00:05:03,752 --> 00:05:30,932\n能將故宮的很重要的華夏文化的價值傳到全世界跟委員報告一下其實我們現在在進行另外一個就是說衍生性的就不見得直接從商品裡面出發所以我們昨天的話譬如說跟台灣的幾家的那個茶葉的廠商然後我們在合作要建立共同的品牌這個部分的話就是聯名品牌的話其實是我們\n\n16\n00:05:33,233 --> 00:06:00,432\n簡單的講話叫做目前獲利的主力謝謝講到這個我覺得不僅您好忙那個連我想故宮的同仁都很忙那茶這件事情我們從小就接觸了那它當然可以是我們在地很重要一項文化那我們知道在南院也把茶打成一個主題那但是我覺得大家都非常的辛苦以故宮這樣子一個國際性的定位你們的業務其實還蠻辛苦的\n\n17\n00:06:02,392 --> 00:06:24,617\n所以我就耳聞那個院長好忙跟我們同仁好忙但是這個很辛苦的院長我知道您真的很忙但是在這個過程當中我知道您忙的其實是有某一些意義但是這個外傳的跟本席所了解的可能有一些落差我在這邊基本上期待院長這邊可以做一個釐清因為我聽到有人說這個您好忙然後忙著要當文化部長\n\n18\n00:06:30,038 --> 00:06:56,542\n您覺得您要怎麼回應我這個問題?報告委員我原來跟陳院長說我要退休陳院長說既然你要退休表示沒有後顧之憂能不能去故宮那邊看看有什麼問題幫忙處理一下我既然答應院長就是故宮是我最後一個公職我不會再有其他的考量\n\n19\n00:06:57,102 --> 00:07:18,848\n我想文化界會對你很有期待啦那既然是您最後一個公職我相信一個歷史定位一定對你非常的重要那我也非常的期待當然有些東西會令你覺得很兩難所以我是那個耳聞那個故宮的這個目前的一個狀況大家對你這樣子的一個未來的走向\n\n20\n00:07:19,648 --> 00:07:36,641\n有一些傳言那既然您在這邊已經談到如果你目前的規劃故宮會是您最後一個工作但是我期待我相信文化界對你都有期待那未來事情我們不知道但是我在這邊對於您要有一個歷史定位那我猜想\n\n21\n00:07:38,022 --> 00:07:50,759\n我確定故宮成立100年的這樣一個計畫我今天早上才拿到的這個業務報告裡面沒有看到我想是不是院裡面這邊可以告訴我到底是在哪裡\n\n22\n00:07:53,608 --> 00:08:14,167\n故宮百年計畫基本上來講的話它是一個歷程它並不是一個計畫或是一個特別的只是說在我覺得它是蠻重要的啦像我們建國百年也會慶祝然後故宮百年應該非常的重要而且以故宮的脈絡來講這個\n\n23\n00:08:15,888 --> 00:08:40,235\n其實故宮最主要就是北京故宮的東西通通都被我們搬來到台灣那所以請問一下故宮的這個100年你們打算慶祝100年還是一甲子應該這樣講就是1925年北京故宮成立然後1965年台北故宮成立然後2015年那個嘉義故宮成立所以一個是100一個是60一個是10\n\n24\n00:08:42,917 --> 00:09:03,872\n聽起來很完美啊都正好是一個能大肆慶祝的時間所以我必須提醒故宮在第一筆成立的經費我們都知道羅浮宮也是因為先有人捐贈然後開始因為法國文化大革命之後產生了這樣一個博物館的風潮所以第一筆經費其實我必須幫國民黨講些話\n\n25\n00:09:07,274 --> 00:09:20,990\n這是我們蔣介石委員所捐贈的那是在100對不起那個100年前那個故宮也是你們故宮博物院網站寫的10月10日那也是我們的國慶日成立故宮博物院然後公開展覽\n\n26\n00:09:21,991 --> 00:09:37,724\n然後後來我們在一甲子之前來到了台灣那我想請問一下那這一個部分不值得慶祝嗎大家講了很多新故宮計畫可是在這樣一個歷史的時間點我們是不是應該正視這件事情那故宮100年\n\n27\n00:09:39,545 --> 00:10:04,780\n我深切的期待這個一百年是一個故宮很重要的一個里程碑那我們可以透過這樣一個機會包括我剛才聽到那個院長跟我們本黨的委員在談我們跟國外的交流那如果你們捷克的這個交流目前已經忙得這個這麼灰頭土臉的話那請問故宮一百年尤其是對於華夏文化我作為一個原住民來談談漢人的文化那這個\n\n28\n00:10:08,243 --> 00:10:25,200\n這個部分是非常重要至少對我而言我覺得應該是非常重要的那我看不到這個100年也沒有看到任何跟100年有關的相關資訊那這對我們來講對華夏文化來講情何以堪所以我期待那個故宮不要讓這個包括南院\n\n29\n00:10:26,341 --> 00:10:52,723\n斷裂了華夏文化我知道茶在台灣是很重要本席其實以前一直學茶對茶的文化有長期的關注所以當然在南院呢我們展示了茶然後以這個宗教為主以整個的主題其實是有點脫離了華夏文化的一個脈絡所以我期待是不是故宮南院不要斷裂了華夏文化的歷史作為一個原住民這樣對你們講我想應該大家不用再吵了嘛\n\n30\n00:10:54,004 --> 00:11:06,248\n最後我早上聽到很多人都對你有一些責難我在這幾年的過程當中包括您在教育推廣上我都覺得其實是真的應該幫你說一句話所以你是不是有可能我們這個\n\n31\n00:11:10,789 --> 00:11:25,220\n故宮的指導委員會在107年莫名其妙的也在我們的朋友可能沒有注意到的狀況當中就被廢止了那結果大家的責難通通到你的身上那你這麼樣一個難得在這樣一個動亂情況當中能夠繼續持續穩定升遷的\n\n32\n00:11:30,143 --> 00:11:30,163\n獲得獎項\n\n33\n00:11:45,845 --> 00:12:03,511\n回復指導委員會其實是可以讓大家一起來參與故宮的決策那你也不用一個人擔那我相信你對這個地方的心是絕對非常的誠意的所以如果沒有辦法用回復這個指導委員會的一個行政命令的話我可能就要提出這個修改故宮組織法\n\n34\n00:12:04,791 --> 00:12:19,087\n所以這件事情是一定要做的那我不希望你一個人擔太多因為在未來的幾個月當中我相信你應該會有一個很重要的歷史地位所以我期待我知道第一件事情對你很兩難但是作為一個原住民\n\n35\n00:12:20,068 --> 00:12:46,120\n華夏文化故宮成立100年的慶祝計畫今年我們一定要看到要不然在預算的部分我們可能就必須要有很大的溝通接下來不要一個人擔負這樣一個責任你這麼棒的一個藝術家跟行政管理的官員期待恢復指導委員會讓我們一起來創造故宮100年的榮景好嗎那最後祝福你大滿貫\n\n36\n00:12:48,555 --> 00:12:55,325\n謝謝委員我們會來演繹謝謝委員好謝謝我們林委員果然是乒乓球打架好情緣很好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n128\t148\t蕭委員長\n16345\t29202\t院長,辛苦了。不知道您還記不記得院長跟本席是在什麼樣子的場合下認識的?很早了,從那個高雄縣文化局局長那時候\n32455\t53944\t所以我對你的印象非常深,是我人生很難忘記的一個人。我們第一次,請大家不要多想,我要講的是接下來這才是重點。第一次見面其實是在中華民國文化盃的那個週球比賽上。\n55286\t72984\t在賽前當然我有同仁已經跟我做一些提醒但是我還不信邪我認為我的整個乒乓球的球技可能沒有那麼差結果沒想到就在你淡定的身影下把我殺得落花流水故宮的高手更多我相信因為在賽前我的同仁們告訴我說\n74004\t94732\t通常你只要碰到博物館的大概我們都沒有機會了因為他們至少能夠相對比較正常的在早酒晚午的正常上班的情況下那我們這個文化局的大概通常都是不僅要早酒那可能晚酒都還不夠所以呢我後來就非常清楚的認知了這一點所以我對您的印象非常深不過您秋季真的很好\n96834\t109693\t您記憶也很好 我也很樂見說在這樣子的一個情況中您還能夠很穩健的這樣升遷實在是我們文化界的一個很重要的事情\n111382\t130732\t接下來我想請教一下院長不曉得您覺得我們故宮最重要的文化商品除了翠玉白菜還有肉形石跟毛公鼎以外在我們印象中最夯的有什麼樣子的文化商品?\n133659\t160124\t故宮基本上來講的話有所謂人氣國寶人氣國寶的話就早期的所謂的什麼故宮三寶那時候教科書上有的就是翠白菜肉形石然後還有毛公頂但是故宮自己認定的北宋三寶的話是宦寬的西山行李圖李堂的萬貨送風跟郭熙的早春圖這三張作品的話其實在繪畫史上的話是無可匹敵的一個重要\n160784\t177913\t所以那個院長講的應該是韓話那我們知道我們都選過這個故宮三寶那研究員的故宮三寶跟一般民間認知的故宮三寶雖然有落差可是都有它的價值但是呢一般大家可能在這幾年來印象最深的不知道院長有沒有聽過鄭知道了\n180934\t201042\t有,因為這是屬於文獻列的檔案資料,所以它作為一個文創商品是賣得很夯是嗎?是的,因為我也帶學生去過,然後東南亞的學生也都搶購這樣子的一個商品。不知道您曉得它的產值大概有多少嗎?因為這是院內的資料。\n203343\t226946\t好了就算不知道也沒關係我的PP上面大家看到那個膠袋正知道的膠袋大概200塊那據說兩年內至少已經成功的賣出14萬套所以這樣子的一個龍井在2013年左右讓我們看到了原來文化商品的這樣一個行銷或者是產值是可以達到某一種讓我們期待的\n227970\t230332\t姑公有沒有像這樣子量能這麼高的文化商品讓大家有記憶的?\n251691\t275441\t這是一個衍生性的直接由我們的典藏的圖檔資料裡面衍生的可是另外一種衍生商品的話其實在去年引起熱潮的是庫克柏利克熊就是說基本上來講的話是排隊購買的商品不好意思什麼熊啊抱歉在好沒有關係沒有關係那我想聽起來是一個很可愛的商品對是一個公仔\n276501\t302743\t對,那是一個公仔但這個部分呢本席沒有像這個正知到了這樣子的一個聽說所以那這個部分我認為正知到了這樣一個很棒的商品在這已經邁入第11年那我覺得這個部分的投入大家可以再省思所以這個部分是不是可以請這個故宮讓我們的文化商品\n303752\t330932\t能將故宮的很重要的華夏文化的價值傳到全世界跟委員報告一下其實我們現在在進行另外一個就是說衍生性的就不見得直接從商品裡面出發所以我們昨天的話譬如說跟台灣的幾家的那個茶葉的廠商然後我們在合作要建立共同的品牌這個部分的話就是聯名品牌的話其實是我們\n333233\t360432\t簡單的講話叫做目前獲利的主力謝謝講到這個我覺得不僅您好忙那個連我想故宮的同仁都很忙那茶這件事情我們從小就接觸了那它當然可以是我們在地很重要一項文化那我們知道在南院也把茶打成一個主題那但是我覺得大家都非常的辛苦以故宮這樣子一個國際性的定位你們的業務其實還蠻辛苦的\n362392\t384617\t所以我就耳聞那個院長好忙跟我們同仁好忙但是這個很辛苦的院長我知道您真的很忙但是在這個過程當中我知道您忙的其實是有某一些意義但是這個外傳的跟本席所了解的可能有一些落差我在這邊基本上期待院長這邊可以做一個釐清因為我聽到有人說這個您好忙然後忙著要當文化部長\n390038\t416542\t您覺得您要怎麼回應我這個問題?報告委員我原來跟陳院長說我要退休陳院長說既然你要退休表示沒有後顧之憂能不能去故宮那邊看看有什麼問題幫忙處理一下我既然答應院長就是故宮是我最後一個公職我不會再有其他的考量\n417102\t438848\t我想文化界會對你很有期待啦那既然是您最後一個公職我相信一個歷史定位一定對你非常的重要那我也非常的期待當然有些東西會令你覺得很兩難所以我是那個耳聞那個故宮的這個目前的一個狀況大家對你這樣子的一個未來的走向\n439648\t456641\t有一些傳言那既然您在這邊已經談到如果你目前的規劃故宮會是您最後一個工作但是我期待我相信文化界對你都有期待那未來事情我們不知道但是我在這邊對於您要有一個歷史定位那我猜想\n458022\t470759\t我確定故宮成立100年的這樣一個計畫我今天早上才拿到的這個業務報告裡面沒有看到我想是不是院裡面這邊可以告訴我到底是在哪裡\n473608\t494167\t故宮百年計畫基本上來講的話它是一個歷程它並不是一個計畫或是一個特別的只是說在我覺得它是蠻重要的啦像我們建國百年也會慶祝然後故宮百年應該非常的重要而且以故宮的脈絡來講這個\n495888\t520235\t其實故宮最主要就是北京故宮的東西通通都被我們搬來到台灣那所以請問一下故宮的這個100年你們打算慶祝100年還是一甲子應該這樣講就是1925年北京故宮成立然後1965年台北故宮成立然後2015年那個嘉義故宮成立所以一個是100一個是60一個是10\n522917\t543872\t聽起來很完美啊都正好是一個能大肆慶祝的時間所以我必須提醒故宮在第一筆成立的經費我們都知道羅浮宮也是因為先有人捐贈然後開始因為法國文化大革命之後產生了這樣一個博物館的風潮所以第一筆經費其實我必須幫國民黨講些話\n547274\t560990\t這是我們蔣介石委員所捐贈的那是在100對不起那個100年前那個故宮也是你們故宮博物院網站寫的10月10日那也是我們的國慶日成立故宮博物院然後公開展覽\n561991\t577724\t然後後來我們在一甲子之前來到了台灣那我想請問一下那這一個部分不值得慶祝嗎大家講了很多新故宮計畫可是在這樣一個歷史的時間點我們是不是應該正視這件事情那故宮100年\n579545\t604780\t我深切的期待這個一百年是一個故宮很重要的一個里程碑那我們可以透過這樣一個機會包括我剛才聽到那個院長跟我們本黨的委員在談我們跟國外的交流那如果你們捷克的這個交流目前已經忙得這個這麼灰頭土臉的話那請問故宮一百年尤其是對於華夏文化我作為一個原住民來談談漢人的文化那這個\n608243\t625200\t這個部分是非常重要至少對我而言我覺得應該是非常重要的那我看不到這個100年也沒有看到任何跟100年有關的相關資訊那這對我們來講對華夏文化來講情何以堪所以我期待那個故宮不要讓這個包括南院\n626341\t652723\t斷裂了華夏文化我知道茶在台灣是很重要本席其實以前一直學茶對茶的文化有長期的關注所以當然在南院呢我們展示了茶然後以這個宗教為主以整個的主題其實是有點脫離了華夏文化的一個脈絡所以我期待是不是故宮南院不要斷裂了華夏文化的歷史作為一個原住民這樣對你們講我想應該大家不用再吵了嘛\n654004\t666248\t最後我早上聽到很多人都對你有一些責難我在這幾年的過程當中包括您在教育推廣上我都覺得其實是真的應該幫你說一句話所以你是不是有可能我們這個\n670789\t685220\t故宮的指導委員會在107年莫名其妙的也在我們的朋友可能沒有注意到的狀況當中就被廢止了那結果大家的責難通通到你的身上那你這麼樣一個難得在這樣一個動亂情況當中能夠繼續持續穩定升遷的\n690143\t690163\t獲得獎項\n705845\t723511\t回復指導委員會其實是可以讓大家一起來參與故宮的決策那你也不用一個人擔那我相信你對這個地方的心是絕對非常的誠意的所以如果沒有辦法用回復這個指導委員會的一個行政命令的話我可能就要提出這個修改故宮組織法\n724791\t739087\t所以這件事情是一定要做的那我不希望你一個人擔太多因為在未來的幾個月當中我相信你應該會有一個很重要的歷史地位所以我期待我知道第一件事情對你很兩難但是作為一個原住民\n740068\t766120\t華夏文化故宮成立100年的慶祝計畫今年我們一定要看到要不然在預算的部分我們可能就必須要有很大的溝通接下來不要一個人擔負這樣一個責任你這麼棒的一個藝術家跟行政管理的官員期待恢復指導委員會讓我們一起來創造故宮100年的榮景好嗎那最後祝福你大滿貫\n768555\t775325\t謝謝委員 我們會來演繹 謝謝委員好 謝謝我們林委員 果然是乒乓球打架好情緣很好 謝謝\n","txt":"蕭委員長\n院長,辛苦了。不知道您還記不記得院長跟本席是在什麼樣子的場合下認識的?很早了,從那個高雄縣文化局局長那時候\n所以我對你的印象非常深,是我人生很難忘記的一個人。我們第一次,請大家不要多想,我要講的是接下來這才是重點。第一次見面其實是在中華民國文化盃的那個週球比賽上。\n在賽前當然我有同仁已經跟我做一些提醒但是我還不信邪我認為我的整個乒乓球的球技可能沒有那麼差結果沒想到就在你淡定的身影下把我殺得落花流水故宮的高手更多我相信因為在賽前我的同仁們告訴我說\n通常你只要碰到博物館的大概我們都沒有機會了因為他們至少能夠相對比較正常的在早酒晚午的正常上班的情況下那我們這個文化局的大概通常都是不僅要早酒那可能晚酒都還不夠所以呢我後來就非常清楚的認知了這一點所以我對您的印象非常深不過您秋季真的很好\n您記憶也很好 我也很樂見說在這樣子的一個情況中您還能夠很穩健的這樣升遷實在是我們文化界的一個很重要的事情\n接下來我想請教一下院長不曉得您覺得我們故宮最重要的文化商品除了翠玉白菜還有肉形石跟毛公鼎以外在我們印象中最夯的有什麼樣子的文化商品?\n故宮基本上來講的話有所謂人氣國寶人氣國寶的話就早期的所謂的什麼故宮三寶那時候教科書上有的就是翠白菜肉形石然後還有毛公頂但是故宮自己認定的北宋三寶的話是宦寬的西山行李圖李堂的萬貨送風跟郭熙的早春圖這三張作品的話其實在繪畫史上的話是無可匹敵的一個重要\n所以那個院長講的應該是韓話那我們知道我們都選過這個故宮三寶那研究員的故宮三寶跟一般民間認知的故宮三寶雖然有落差可是都有它的價值但是呢一般大家可能在這幾年來印象最深的不知道院長有沒有聽過鄭知道了\n有,因為這是屬於文獻列的檔案資料,所以它作為一個文創商品是賣得很夯是嗎?是的,因為我也帶學生去過,然後東南亞的學生也都搶購這樣子的一個商品。不知道您曉得它的產值大概有多少嗎?因為這是院內的資料。\n好了就算不知道也沒關係我的PP上面大家看到那個膠袋正知道的膠袋大概200塊那據說兩年內至少已經成功的賣出14萬套所以這樣子的一個龍井在2013年左右讓我們看到了原來文化商品的這樣一個行銷或者是產值是可以達到某一種讓我們期待的\n姑公有沒有像這樣子量能這麼高的文化商品讓大家有記憶的?\n這是一個衍生性的直接由我們的典藏的圖檔資料裡面衍生的可是另外一種衍生商品的話其實在去年引起熱潮的是庫克柏利克熊就是說基本上來講的話是排隊購買的商品不好意思什麼熊啊抱歉在好沒有關係沒有關係那我想聽起來是一個很可愛的商品對是一個公仔\n對,那是一個公仔但這個部分呢本席沒有像這個正知到了這樣子的一個聽說所以那這個部分我認為正知到了這樣一個很棒的商品在這已經邁入第11年那我覺得這個部分的投入大家可以再省思所以這個部分是不是可以請這個故宮讓我們的文化商品\n能將故宮的很重要的華夏文化的價值傳到全世界跟委員報告一下其實我們現在在進行另外一個就是說衍生性的就不見得直接從商品裡面出發所以我們昨天的話譬如說跟台灣的幾家的那個茶葉的廠商然後我們在合作要建立共同的品牌這個部分的話就是聯名品牌的話其實是我們\n簡單的講話叫做目前獲利的主力謝謝講到這個我覺得不僅您好忙那個連我想故宮的同仁都很忙那茶這件事情我們從小就接觸了那它當然可以是我們在地很重要一項文化那我們知道在南院也把茶打成一個主題那但是我覺得大家都非常的辛苦以故宮這樣子一個國際性的定位你們的業務其實還蠻辛苦的\n所以我就耳聞那個院長好忙跟我們同仁好忙但是這個很辛苦的院長我知道您真的很忙但是在這個過程當中我知道您忙的其實是有某一些意義但是這個外傳的跟本席所了解的可能有一些落差我在這邊基本上期待院長這邊可以做一個釐清因為我聽到有人說這個您好忙然後忙著要當文化部長\n您覺得您要怎麼回應我這個問題?報告委員我原來跟陳院長說我要退休陳院長說既然你要退休表示沒有後顧之憂能不能去故宮那邊看看有什麼問題幫忙處理一下我既然答應院長就是故宮是我最後一個公職我不會再有其他的考量\n我想文化界會對你很有期待啦那既然是您最後一個公職我相信一個歷史定位一定對你非常的重要那我也非常的期待當然有些東西會令你覺得很兩難所以我是那個耳聞那個故宮的這個目前的一個狀況大家對你這樣子的一個未來的走向\n有一些傳言那既然您在這邊已經談到如果你目前的規劃故宮會是您最後一個工作但是我期待我相信文化界對你都有期待那未來事情我們不知道但是我在這邊對於您要有一個歷史定位那我猜想\n我確定故宮成立100年的這樣一個計畫我今天早上才拿到的這個業務報告裡面沒有看到我想是不是院裡面這邊可以告訴我到底是在哪裡\n故宮百年計畫基本上來講的話它是一個歷程它並不是一個計畫或是一個特別的只是說在我覺得它是蠻重要的啦像我們建國百年也會慶祝然後故宮百年應該非常的重要而且以故宮的脈絡來講這個\n其實故宮最主要就是北京故宮的東西通通都被我們搬來到台灣那所以請問一下故宮的這個100年你們打算慶祝100年還是一甲子應該這樣講就是1925年北京故宮成立然後1965年台北故宮成立然後2015年那個嘉義故宮成立所以一個是100一個是60一個是10\n聽起來很完美啊都正好是一個能大肆慶祝的時間所以我必須提醒故宮在第一筆成立的經費我們都知道羅浮宮也是因為先有人捐贈然後開始因為法國文化大革命之後產生了這樣一個博物館的風潮所以第一筆經費其實我必須幫國民黨講些話\n這是我們蔣介石委員所捐贈的那是在100對不起那個100年前那個故宮也是你們故宮博物院網站寫的10月10日那也是我們的國慶日成立故宮博物院然後公開展覽\n然後後來我們在一甲子之前來到了台灣那我想請問一下那這一個部分不值得慶祝嗎大家講了很多新故宮計畫可是在這樣一個歷史的時間點我們是不是應該正視這件事情那故宮100年\n我深切的期待這個一百年是一個故宮很重要的一個里程碑那我們可以透過這樣一個機會包括我剛才聽到那個院長跟我們本黨的委員在談我們跟國外的交流那如果你們捷克的這個交流目前已經忙得這個這麼灰頭土臉的話那請問故宮一百年尤其是對於華夏文化我作為一個原住民來談談漢人的文化那這個\n這個部分是非常重要至少對我而言我覺得應該是非常重要的那我看不到這個100年也沒有看到任何跟100年有關的相關資訊那這對我們來講對華夏文化來講情何以堪所以我期待那個故宮不要讓這個包括南院\n斷裂了華夏文化我知道茶在台灣是很重要本席其實以前一直學茶對茶的文化有長期的關注所以當然在南院呢我們展示了茶然後以這個宗教為主以整個的主題其實是有點脫離了華夏文化的一個脈絡所以我期待是不是故宮南院不要斷裂了華夏文化的歷史作為一個原住民這樣對你們講我想應該大家不用再吵了嘛\n最後我早上聽到很多人都對你有一些責難我在這幾年的過程當中包括您在教育推廣上我都覺得其實是真的應該幫你說一句話所以你是不是有可能我們這個\n故宮的指導委員會在107年莫名其妙的也在我們的朋友可能沒有注意到的狀況當中就被廢止了那結果大家的責難通通到你的身上那你這麼樣一個難得在這樣一個動亂情況當中能夠繼續持續穩定升遷的\n獲得獎項\n回復指導委員會其實是可以讓大家一起來參與故宮的決策那你也不用一個人擔那我相信你對這個地方的心是絕對非常的誠意的所以如果沒有辦法用回復這個指導委員會的一個行政命令的話我可能就要提出這個修改故宮組織法\n所以這件事情是一定要做的那我不希望你一個人擔太多因為在未來的幾個月當中我相信你應該會有一個很重要的歷史地位所以我期待我知道第一件事情對你很兩難但是作為一個原住民\n華夏文化故宮成立100年的慶祝計畫今年我們一定要看到要不然在預算的部分我們可能就必須要有很大的溝通接下來不要一個人擔負這樣一個責任你這麼棒的一個藝術家跟行政管理的官員期待恢復指導委員會讓我們一起來創造故宮100年的榮景好嗎那最後祝福你大滿貫\n謝謝委員 我們會來演繹 謝謝委員好 謝謝我們林委員 果然是乒乓球打架好情緣很好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.128 --> 00:00.148\n蕭委員長\n\n00:16.345 --> 00:29.202\n院長,辛苦了。不知道您還記不記得院長跟本席是在什麼樣子的場合下認識的?很早了,從那個高雄縣文化局局長那時候\n\n00:32.455 --> 00:53.944\n所以我對你的印象非常深,是我人生很難忘記的一個人。我們第一次,請大家不要多想,我要講的是接下來這才是重點。第一次見面其實是在中華民國文化盃的那個週球比賽上。\n\n00:55.286 --> 01:12.984\n在賽前當然我有同仁已經跟我做一些提醒但是我還不信邪我認為我的整個乒乓球的球技可能沒有那麼差結果沒想到就在你淡定的身影下把我殺得落花流水故宮的高手更多我相信因為在賽前我的同仁們告訴我說\n\n01:14.004 --> 01:34.732\n通常你只要碰到博物館的大概我們都沒有機會了因為他們至少能夠相對比較正常的在早酒晚午的正常上班的情況下那我們這個文化局的大概通常都是不僅要早酒那可能晚酒都還不夠所以呢我後來就非常清楚的認知了這一點所以我對您的印象非常深不過您秋季真的很好\n\n01:36.834 --> 01:49.693\n您記憶也很好我也很樂見說在這樣子的一個情況中您還能夠很穩健的這樣升遷實在是我們文化界的一個很重要的事情\n\n01:51.382 --> 02:10.732\n接下來我想請教一下院長不曉得您覺得我們故宮最重要的文化商品除了翠玉白菜還有肉形石跟毛公鼎以外在我們印象中最夯的有什麼樣子的文化商品?\n\n02:13.659 --> 02:40.124\n故宮基本上來講的話有所謂人氣國寶人氣國寶的話就早期的所謂的什麼故宮三寶那時候教科書上有的就是翠白菜肉形石然後還有毛公頂但是故宮自己認定的北宋三寶的話是宦寬的西山行李圖李堂的萬貨送風跟郭熙的早春圖這三張作品的話其實在繪畫史上的話是無可匹敵的一個重要\n\n02:40.784 --> 02:57.913\n所以那個院長講的應該是韓話那我們知道我們都選過這個故宮三寶那研究員的故宮三寶跟一般民間認知的故宮三寶雖然有落差可是都有它的價值但是呢一般大家可能在這幾年來印象最深的不知道院長有沒有聽過鄭知道了\n\n03:00.934 --> 03:21.042\n有,因為這是屬於文獻列的檔案資料,所以它作為一個文創商品是賣得很夯是嗎?是的,因為我也帶學生去過,然後東南亞的學生也都搶購這樣子的一個商品。不知道您曉得它的產值大概有多少嗎?因為這是院內的資料。\n\n03:23.343 --> 03:46.946\n好了就算不知道也沒關係我的PP上面大家看到那個膠袋正知道的膠袋大概200塊那據說兩年內至少已經成功的賣出14萬套所以這樣子的一個龍井在2013年左右讓我們看到了原來文化商品的這樣一個行銷或者是產值是可以達到某一種讓我們期待的\n\n03:47.970 --> 03:50.332\n姑公有沒有像這樣子量能這麼高的文化商品讓大家有記憶的?\n\n04:11.691 --> 04:35.441\n這是一個衍生性的直接由我們的典藏的圖檔資料裡面衍生的可是另外一種衍生商品的話其實在去年引起熱潮的是庫克柏利克熊就是說基本上來講的話是排隊購買的商品不好意思什麼熊啊抱歉在好沒有關係沒有關係那我想聽起來是一個很可愛的商品對是一個公仔\n\n04:36.501 --> 05:02.743\n對,那是一個公仔但這個部分呢本席沒有像這個正知到了這樣子的一個聽說所以那這個部分我認為正知到了這樣一個很棒的商品在這已經邁入第11年那我覺得這個部分的投入大家可以再省思所以這個部分是不是可以請這個故宮讓我們的文化商品\n\n05:03.752 --> 05:30.932\n能將故宮的很重要的華夏文化的價值傳到全世界跟委員報告一下其實我們現在在進行另外一個就是說衍生性的就不見得直接從商品裡面出發所以我們昨天的話譬如說跟台灣的幾家的那個茶葉的廠商然後我們在合作要建立共同的品牌這個部分的話就是聯名品牌的話其實是我們\n\n05:33.233 --> 06:00.432\n簡單的講話叫做目前獲利的主力謝謝講到這個我覺得不僅您好忙那個連我想故宮的同仁都很忙那茶這件事情我們從小就接觸了那它當然可以是我們在地很重要一項文化那我們知道在南院也把茶打成一個主題那但是我覺得大家都非常的辛苦以故宮這樣子一個國際性的定位你們的業務其實還蠻辛苦的\n\n06:02.392 --> 06:24.617\n所以我就耳聞那個院長好忙跟我們同仁好忙但是這個很辛苦的院長我知道您真的很忙但是在這個過程當中我知道您忙的其實是有某一些意義但是這個外傳的跟本席所了解的可能有一些落差我在這邊基本上期待院長這邊可以做一個釐清因為我聽到有人說這個您好忙然後忙著要當文化部長\n\n06:30.038 --> 06:56.542\n您覺得您要怎麼回應我這個問題?報告委員我原來跟陳院長說我要退休陳院長說既然你要退休表示沒有後顧之憂能不能去故宮那邊看看有什麼問題幫忙處理一下我既然答應院長就是故宮是我最後一個公職我不會再有其他的考量\n\n06:57.102 --> 07:18.848\n我想文化界會對你很有期待啦那既然是您最後一個公職我相信一個歷史定位一定對你非常的重要那我也非常的期待當然有些東西會令你覺得很兩難所以我是那個耳聞那個故宮的這個目前的一個狀況大家對你這樣子的一個未來的走向\n\n07:19.648 --> 07:36.641\n有一些傳言那既然您在這邊已經談到如果你目前的規劃故宮會是您最後一個工作但是我期待我相信文化界對你都有期待那未來事情我們不知道但是我在這邊對於您要有一個歷史定位那我猜想\n\n07:38.022 --> 07:50.759\n我確定故宮成立100年的這樣一個計畫我今天早上才拿到的這個業務報告裡面沒有看到我想是不是院裡面這邊可以告訴我到底是在哪裡\n\n07:53.608 --> 08:14.167\n故宮百年計畫基本上來講的話它是一個歷程它並不是一個計畫或是一個特別的只是說在我覺得它是蠻重要的啦像我們建國百年也會慶祝然後故宮百年應該非常的重要而且以故宮的脈絡來講這個\n\n08:15.888 --> 08:40.235\n其實故宮最主要就是北京故宮的東西通通都被我們搬來到台灣那所以請問一下故宮的這個100年你們打算慶祝100年還是一甲子應該這樣講就是1925年北京故宮成立然後1965年台北故宮成立然後2015年那個嘉義故宮成立所以一個是100一個是60一個是10\n\n08:42.917 --> 09:03.872\n聽起來很完美啊都正好是一個能大肆慶祝的時間所以我必須提醒故宮在第一筆成立的經費我們都知道羅浮宮也是因為先有人捐贈然後開始因為法國文化大革命之後產生了這樣一個博物館的風潮所以第一筆經費其實我必須幫國民黨講些話\n\n09:07.274 --> 09:20.990\n這是我們蔣介石委員所捐贈的那是在100對不起那個100年前那個故宮也是你們故宮博物院網站寫的10月10日那也是我們的國慶日成立故宮博物院然後公開展覽\n\n09:21.991 --> 09:37.724\n然後後來我們在一甲子之前來到了台灣那我想請問一下那這一個部分不值得慶祝嗎大家講了很多新故宮計畫可是在這樣一個歷史的時間點我們是不是應該正視這件事情那故宮100年\n\n09:39.545 --> 10:04.780\n我深切的期待這個一百年是一個故宮很重要的一個里程碑那我們可以透過這樣一個機會包括我剛才聽到那個院長跟我們本黨的委員在談我們跟國外的交流那如果你們捷克的這個交流目前已經忙得這個這麼灰頭土臉的話那請問故宮一百年尤其是對於華夏文化我作為一個原住民來談談漢人的文化那這個\n\n10:08.243 --> 10:25.200\n這個部分是非常重要至少對我而言我覺得應該是非常重要的那我看不到這個100年也沒有看到任何跟100年有關的相關資訊那這對我們來講對華夏文化來講情何以堪所以我期待那個故宮不要讓這個包括南院\n\n10:26.341 --> 10:52.723\n斷裂了華夏文化我知道茶在台灣是很重要本席其實以前一直學茶對茶的文化有長期的關注所以當然在南院呢我們展示了茶然後以這個宗教為主以整個的主題其實是有點脫離了華夏文化的一個脈絡所以我期待是不是故宮南院不要斷裂了華夏文化的歷史作為一個原住民這樣對你們講我想應該大家不用再吵了嘛\n\n10:54.004 --> 11:06.248\n最後我早上聽到很多人都對你有一些責難我在這幾年的過程當中包括您在教育推廣上我都覺得其實是真的應該幫你說一句話所以你是不是有可能我們這個\n\n11:10.789 --> 11:25.220\n故宮的指導委員會在107年莫名其妙的也在我們的朋友可能沒有注意到的狀況當中就被廢止了那結果大家的責難通通到你的身上那你這麼樣一個難得在這樣一個動亂情況當中能夠繼續持續穩定升遷的\n\n11:30.143 --> 11:30.163\n獲得獎項\n\n11:45.845 --> 12:03.511\n回復指導委員會其實是可以讓大家一起來參與故宮的決策那你也不用一個人擔那我相信你對這個地方的心是絕對非常的誠意的所以如果沒有辦法用回復這個指導委員會的一個行政命令的話我可能就要提出這個修改故宮組織法\n\n12:04.791 --> 12:19.087\n所以這件事情是一定要做的那我不希望你一個人擔太多因為在未來的幾個月當中我相信你應該會有一個很重要的歷史地位所以我期待我知道第一件事情對你很兩難但是作為一個原住民\n\n12:20.068 --> 12:46.120\n華夏文化故宮成立100年的慶祝計畫今年我們一定要看到要不然在預算的部分我們可能就必須要有很大的溝通接下來不要一個人擔負這樣一個責任你這麼棒的一個藝術家跟行政管理的官員期待恢復指導委員會讓我們一起來創造故宮100年的榮景好嗎那最後祝福你大滿貫\n\n12:48.555 --> 12:55.325\n謝謝委員我們會來演繹謝謝委員好謝謝我們林委員果然是乒乓球打架好情緣很好謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.128,"end":0.148,"text":"蕭委員長"},{"start":16.345,"end":29.202,"text":"院長,辛苦了。不知道您還記不記得院長跟本席是在什麼樣子的場合下認識的?很早了,從那個高雄縣文化局局長那時候"},{"start":32.455,"end":53.944,"text":"所以我對你的印象非常深,是我人生很難忘記的一個人。我們第一次,請大家不要多想,我要講的是接下來這才是重點。第一次見面其實是在中華民國文化盃的那個週球比賽上。"},{"start":55.286,"end":72.984,"text":"在賽前當然我有同仁已經跟我做一些提醒但是我還不信邪我認為我的整個乒乓球的球技可能沒有那麼差結果沒想到就在你淡定的身影下把我殺得落花流水故宮的高手更多我相信因為在賽前我的同仁們告訴我說"},{"start":74.004,"end":94.732,"text":"通常你只要碰到博物館的大概我們都沒有機會了因為他們至少能夠相對比較正常的在早酒晚午的正常上班的情況下那我們這個文化局的大概通常都是不僅要早酒那可能晚酒都還不夠所以呢我後來就非常清楚的認知了這一點所以我對您的印象非常深不過您秋季真的很好"},{"start":96.834,"end":109.693,"text":"您記憶也很好 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