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00:01:30,697\n所以當然我們現在能量登錄當然已經上路了就不會像大家以前坊間說好像有上萬家第三方支付的營業項目跟委員報告現在只有40多家是跟我們有登錄的能量登錄是什麼時候的?是,能量登錄就是在去年委員提這個漸清漸改的時候我們去年就提出這個方案那我們一路輔導到去年年底那基本上都有來登錄所以到今年呢就是大家如果沒有登錄的這些第三方支付就不能再拿到虛擬賬號了\n\n5\n00:01:32,042 --> 00:01:58,531\n那有具體的數據?下降的數據嗎?是的當然我們其實從第三方支付的這個量能可以看到就是之前第三方支付在完全沒有這個能量登錄的情況之下很多的詐欺他都是透過第三方支付的方式可能一層兩層就這樣子轉出去那現在呢我們在跟檢察官合作的時候即時通報的案件的這個處理的速度包含圈存、警示賬戶等等這個速度都有大幅的改善那這部分我們是不是書面在提供委員?\n\n6\n00:01:58,871 --> 00:02:20,546\nOK好謝謝部長那我們看第二張簡報那詐騙已經是民怨排行榜的前面可以看到是第三個詐騙詐騙猖獗與資安議題那去年大選期間TPOC臺灣議題研究中心也透過了QuickSeek快息與輿論分析資料庫收集從去年1月到10月的時候網路輿情的聲量數據系統他統計出民進黨政府十大\n\n7\n00:02:21,980 --> 00:02:49,537\n十大民怨我們可以看到那也可以看到那個倉爵治安的問題政府雖然一直在做宣傳但詐騙案件和治安事件一直頻傳那訴發部應該正式民眾這邊我們談到是民眾遭詐騙的困擾從源頭源頭就防堵詐騙還有強化治安管理那訴發部應該好好運用數位科技的專長那提供打造國家對相關部會還有數位治安的科技協助那具體的作為呢針對於源頭\n\n8\n00:02:50,518 --> 00:03:12,004\n是的有一個大家在之前常常收到的就是假冒政府機關那好比像說台水台電說要繳費但是這個點進去就是詐騙嘛那又導致什麼呢有一陣子連地方的國稅局他真的是簡訊訊息都被認為是詐騙變成政府沒有辦法接觸到民眾的情況那這個我們就透過111這個公部門專用的簡訊平台\n\n9\n00:03:14,345 --> 00:03:36,765\n現在大家就知道說不是一一發的又是說台水台電要繳錢那個就假的了這就是真正的源頭防詐政府公部門然後還有剛剛部長提到的國營事業然後還有一些像電商某某他們我們就發現就是當然就是民間的三大電信等等因為我們一開頭是政府才能夠用的但是三大電信其實他們現在自己都用六碼的這個短碼每個都已經有了\n\n10\n00:03:38,226 --> 00:03:57,319\n5、5、6、8、8其實是無碼的短碼所以大家看到短碼就知道我們希望可以不要觸及到民眾就是我們做防堵讓民眾不會接觸到對那針對於是應該是這樣講是說如果你看到國際上面傳來的訊息或者是說一個實碼的他說他是台稅這一部分當然有NCC有做一部分的攔阻啦\n\n11\n00:03:57,819 --> 00:04:18,144\n但是大家就算看到了一看了不是111不是短碼就知道說絕對就是假的這樣所以這兩個在源頭上面一個是對於他傳訊的本身裡面有附網址等等的去攔阻那二方面是說111把真實的這個部分讓大家知道是部長您提到國際那根據資安大廠趨勢科技發布調查今天總統大選期間中國駭客組織EarthBusca\n\n12\n00:04:18,624 --> 00:04:44,386\n他們利用地緣政治敏感議題透過社交工程的手法對臺灣發起駭客的活動。訴發部報告還有內容出國成效都有提到國家自動安全發展方案那強化智慧國家數位安全韌性部長您一直提到韌性這兩個字以及跨國聯防對抗治安的威脅掌握全球治安發展脈動還有促進促進跨國治安聯防等數位部隊這種重大駭客的攻擊防護能力如何?\n\n13\n00:04:45,046 --> 00:05:08,731\n其實選前像這種社交工程、詐騙電子優先真的有一波﹖確實是平常的好幾倍喔那但是不論是這個還是阻斷攻擊等等這個我們是有偵測到而且有擋下來所以事實上沒有出事是因為我們做很多事情那第二步就是我們在未來有這樣重要事件的時候我們藉由新的自動安全管理法或一個調度的這個權限所以就讓其他的旁邊的資安專責人也可以來一起來參與\n\n14\n00:05:10,822 --> 00:05:38,309\n想請教部長因為很多詐騙集團他們的機房都設於國外那被害者常常求助無門更助長很多境外的詐騙特別瞄準臺灣人民那臺灣是資訊科技大國有那麼多的高科技人才速發部卻仍然無能為力嗎?不是這樣子我想以境外的這個廣告平台剛剛很多委員在追詢一方面當然我們有主動跟經濟部說之後是不是這些網路廣告平台也應該移來當我們主管\n\n15\n00:05:38,809 --> 00:05:54,004\n如果真的有移過來之後又推了電子簽章法那他不管是在境內境外他同樣的都收到需要有數位簽章這個規範那未來我們也會參與像打造專法去說如果他真的在境內都沒有設定代理人的話我們必須要他到一定規模的時候就要設定代理人了\n\n16\n00:05:55,220 --> 00:06:15,648\n蘇發部積極出國參與國際重要的會議還有活動．以掌握各國的數位．技術還有政策發展情形．對於源頭打炸及治安實際成效如何．請部長說明所以就剛剛提到我們已經主管的部分．他比方說電商．我們就是跟國外同步去讓銀碼技術．就是電商不用把你的個資．包含手機號碼交給物流．\n\n17\n00:06:17,088 --> 00:06:17,528\n獲得獲得獲得獲得獲得獲得獲得\n\n18\n00:06:38,912 --> 00:07:02,059\n希望部長還有可以繼續再助能力我們希望民眾可以不用接觸到就是詐騙被詐騙集團鎖定對因為這個部長談到的這個111那感覺還是在針對就是電商只是廣告平台的部分對廣告平台的部分是現在大家最關注的因為很多他並不是電商很多是B2C嘛就是有這個大的平台賣給人\n\n19\n00:07:02,999 --> 00:07:25,147\n但是現在很多他移到廣告平台變CtoC就他打個廣告然後他就好像自己直播然後就賣個東西這個時候他並不是商家。對CtoC是部長提到就是在臉書上面就是需要用這個。對那這個電子簽商法才能夠給我們就是即使對方賣的這個人是自然人他下一個投資廣告或什麼都可以讓他要數位簽賬。那您提到實名制那後續的處理呢?就是不只是下架。\n\n20\n00:07:27,188 --> 00:07:47,141\n對謝謝我想兩件事一個是說投資廣告當然現在檢舉24小時要下架那我們是希望說他被下架之後不能換個名字再上來這是第一點那第二個是說我們有跨平台的聯防所以他在這邊下架的時候我們就同步通報到其他的包含廣告平台、電商平台、165等等那這個時候他在所有其他別的平台的也可以一起下架\n\n21\n00:07:47,281 --> 00:08:08,772\n那實名制會需要他的身份證紙好嗎?是數位簽章了數位簽章對那數位簽章裏面很重要的是因為投信投顧法裏面已經講了說登廣告這個人他必須要來做揭露這個是法有授權所以除非說他跟我剛好同名同姓那當然就是他可以看一次吧但是如果他被下架之後他也不能再冒充我了OK好謝謝部長好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1291\t15911\t好,部長,詐欺犯罪猖獗不僅已經是民怨了那連基層的檢察官也反彈囉那法務部繼去年增加了100名檢察官助理今年再增加增聘了150名檢察官助理\n16351\t36704\t那並實施各項的改善方案、紓減檢察官的工作負荷那這邊要請問部長對於去年第一層檢察官點名、金管會、NCC還有訴發部好訴發部機構說是否涉及行政怠惰並盼法務部盡快增加檢察官能力部長有什麼看法還有什麼\n38085\t64460\t可以有什麼樣的解討方案?好 謝謝我想委員這個講得非常好因為我們這三個其實是聯房的關係那當時檢察官主要反應的就是說像第三方支付在我們可是金融監理的很多工具在金管會那我們如果不把系統馬上接起來的話那就會變成是說我們第三方支付這邊他們認為說要成為一個破口但是這個我們包含洗房在內的這些做法我們立刻就提出能量登錄的方案而且很多是跟檢察官一起討論出來的\n65561\t90697\t所以當然我們現在能量登錄當然已經上路了就不會像大家以前坊間說好像有上萬家第三方支付的營業項目跟委員報告現在只有40多家是跟我們有登錄的能量登錄是什麼時候的?是,能量登錄就是在去年委員提這個漸清漸改的時候我們去年就提出這個方案那我們一路輔導到去年年底那基本上都有來登錄所以到今年呢就是大家如果沒有登錄的這些第三方支付就不能再拿到虛擬賬號了\n92042\t118531\t那有具體的數據?下降的數據嗎?是的當然我們其實從第三方支付的這個量能可以看到就是之前第三方支付在完全沒有這個能量登錄的情況之下很多的詐欺他都是透過第三方支付的方式可能一層兩層就這樣子轉出去那現在呢我們在跟檢察官合作的時候即時通報的案件的這個處理的速度包含圈存、警示賬戶等等這個速度都有大幅的改善那這部分我們是不是書面在提供委員?\n118871\t140546\tOK好謝謝部長那我們看第二張簡報那詐騙已經是民怨排行榜的前面可以看到是第三個詐騙詐騙猖獗與資安議題那去年大選期間TPOC臺灣議題研究中心也透過了Quick Seek快息與輿論分析資料庫收集從去年1月到10月的時候網路輿情的聲量數據系統他統計出民進黨政府十大\n141980\t169537\t十大民怨我們可以看到那也可以看到那個倉爵治安的問題政府雖然一直在做宣傳但詐騙案件和治安事件一直頻傳那訴發部應該正式民眾這邊我們談到是民眾遭詐騙的困擾從源頭源頭就防堵詐騙還有強化治安管理那訴發部應該好好運用數位科技的專長那提供打造國家對相關部會還有數位治安的科技協助那具體的作為呢針對於源頭\n170518\t192004\t是的 有一個大家在之前常常收到的就是假冒政府機關那好比像說台水台電說要繳費但是這個點進去就是詐騙嘛那又導致什麼呢有一陣子連地方的國稅局他真的是簡訊訊息都被認為是詐騙變成政府沒有辦法接觸到民眾的情況那這個我們就透過111這個公部門專用的簡訊平台\n194345\t216765\t現在大家就知道說不是一一發的又是說台水台電要繳錢那個就假的了這就是真正的源頭防詐政府公部門然後還有剛剛部長提到的國營事業然後還有一些像電商某某他們我們就發現就是當然就是民間的三大電信等等因為我們一開頭是政府才能夠用的但是三大電信其實他們現在自己都用六碼的這個短碼每個都已經有了\n218226\t237319\t5、5、6、8、8其實是無碼的短碼所以大家看到短碼就知道我們希望可以不要觸及到民眾就是我們做防堵讓民眾不會接觸到對那針對於是應該是這樣講是說如果你看到國際上面傳來的訊息或者是說一個實碼的他說他是台稅這一部分當然有NCC有做一部分的攔阻啦\n237819\t258144\t但是大家就算看到了一看了不是111不是短碼就知道說絕對就是假的這樣所以這兩個在源頭上面一個是對於他傳訊的本身裡面有附網址等等的去攔阻那二方面是說111把真實的這個部分讓大家知道是部長您提到國際那根據資安大廠趨勢科技發布調查今天總統大選期間中國駭客組織EarthBusca\n258624\t284386\t他們利用地緣政治敏感議題透過社交工程的手法對臺灣發起駭客的活動。訴發部報告還有內容出國成效都有提到國家自動安全發展方案那強化智慧國家數位安全韌性部長您一直提到韌性這兩個字以及跨國聯防對抗治安的威脅掌握全球治安發展脈動還有促進促進跨國治安聯防等數位部隊這種重大駭客的攻擊防護能力如何?\n285046\t308731\t其實選前像這種社交工程、詐騙電子優先真的有一波﹖確實是平常的好幾倍喔那但是不論是這個還是阻斷攻擊等等這個我們是有偵測到而且有擋下來所以事實上沒有出事是因為我們做很多事情那第二步就是我們在未來有這樣重要事件的時候我們藉由新的自動安全管理法或一個調度的這個權限所以就讓其他的旁邊的資安專責人也可以來一起來參與\n310822\t338309\t想請教部長因為很多詐騙集團他們的機房都設於國外那被害者常常求助無門更助長很多境外的詐騙特別瞄準臺灣人民那臺灣是資訊科技大國有那麼多的高科技人才速發部卻仍然無能為力嗎?不是這樣子我想以境外的這個廣告平台剛剛很多委員在追詢一方面當然我們有主動跟經濟部說之後是不是這些網路廣告平台也應該移來當我們主管\n338809\t354004\t如果真的有移過來之後又推了電子簽章法那他不管是在境內境外他同樣的都收到需要有數位簽章這個規範那未來我們也會參與像打造專法去說如果他真的在境內都沒有設定代理人的話我們必須要他到一定規模的時候就要設定代理人了\n355220\t375648\t蘇發部積極出國參與國際重要的會議還有活動．以掌握各國的數位．技術還有政策發展情形．對於源頭打炸及治安實際成效如何．請部長說明所以就剛剛提到我們已經主管的部分．他比方說電商．我們就是跟國外同步去讓銀碼技術．就是電商不用把你的個資．包含手機號碼交給物流．\n377088\t377528\t獲得獲得獲得獲得獲得獲得獲得\n398912\t422059\t希望部長還有可以繼續再助能力我們希望民眾可以不用接觸到就是詐騙被詐騙集團鎖定對因為這個部長談到的這個111那感覺還是在針對就是電商只是廣告平台的部分對廣告平台的部分是現在大家最關注的因為很多他並不是電商很多是B2C嘛就是有這個大的平台賣給人\n422999\t445147\t但是現在很多他移到廣告平台變C to C就他打個廣告然後他就好像自己直播然後就賣個東西這個時候他並不是商家。對C to C是部長提到就是在臉書上面就是需要用這個。對那這個電子簽商法才能夠給我們就是即使對方賣的這個人是自然人他下一個投資廣告或什麼都可以讓他要數位簽賬。那您提到實名制那後續的處理呢?就是不只是下架。\n447188\t467141\t對 謝謝我想兩件事一個是說投資廣告當然現在檢舉24小時要下架那我們是希望說他被下架之後不能換個名字再上來這是第一點那第二個是說我們有跨平台的聯防所以他在這邊下架的時候我們就同步通報到其他的包含廣告平台、電商平台、165等等那這個時候他在所有其他別的平台的也可以一起下架\n467281\t488772\t那實名制會需要他的身份證紙好嗎?是數位簽章了數位簽章對那數位簽章裏面很重要的是因為投信投顧法裏面已經講了說登廣告這個人他必須要來做揭露這個是法有授權所以除非說他跟我剛好同名同姓那當然就是他可以看一次吧但是如果他被下架之後他也不能再冒充我了OK好謝謝部長好謝謝\n","txt":"好,部長,詐欺犯罪猖獗不僅已經是民怨了那連基層的檢察官也反彈囉那法務部繼去年增加了100名檢察官助理今年再增加增聘了150名檢察官助理\n那並實施各項的改善方案、紓減檢察官的工作負荷那這邊要請問部長對於去年第一層檢察官點名、金管會、NCC還有訴發部好訴發部機構說是否涉及行政怠惰並盼法務部盡快增加檢察官能力部長有什麼看法還有什麼\n可以有什麼樣的解討方案?好 謝謝我想委員這個講得非常好因為我們這三個其實是聯房的關係那當時檢察官主要反應的就是說像第三方支付在我們可是金融監理的很多工具在金管會那我們如果不把系統馬上接起來的話那就會變成是說我們第三方支付這邊他們認為說要成為一個破口但是這個我們包含洗房在內的這些做法我們立刻就提出能量登錄的方案而且很多是跟檢察官一起討論出來的\n所以當然我們現在能量登錄當然已經上路了就不會像大家以前坊間說好像有上萬家第三方支付的營業項目跟委員報告現在只有40多家是跟我們有登錄的能量登錄是什麼時候的?是,能量登錄就是在去年委員提這個漸清漸改的時候我們去年就提出這個方案那我們一路輔導到去年年底那基本上都有來登錄所以到今年呢就是大家如果沒有登錄的這些第三方支付就不能再拿到虛擬賬號了\n那有具體的數據?下降的數據嗎?是的當然我們其實從第三方支付的這個量能可以看到就是之前第三方支付在完全沒有這個能量登錄的情況之下很多的詐欺他都是透過第三方支付的方式可能一層兩層就這樣子轉出去那現在呢我們在跟檢察官合作的時候即時通報的案件的這個處理的速度包含圈存、警示賬戶等等這個速度都有大幅的改善那這部分我們是不是書面在提供委員?\nOK好謝謝部長那我們看第二張簡報那詐騙已經是民怨排行榜的前面可以看到是第三個詐騙詐騙猖獗與資安議題那去年大選期間TPOC臺灣議題研究中心也透過了Quick Seek快息與輿論分析資料庫收集從去年1月到10月的時候網路輿情的聲量數據系統他統計出民進黨政府十大\n十大民怨我們可以看到那也可以看到那個倉爵治安的問題政府雖然一直在做宣傳但詐騙案件和治安事件一直頻傳那訴發部應該正式民眾這邊我們談到是民眾遭詐騙的困擾從源頭源頭就防堵詐騙還有強化治安管理那訴發部應該好好運用數位科技的專長那提供打造國家對相關部會還有數位治安的科技協助那具體的作為呢針對於源頭\n是的 有一個大家在之前常常收到的就是假冒政府機關那好比像說台水台電說要繳費但是這個點進去就是詐騙嘛那又導致什麼呢有一陣子連地方的國稅局他真的是簡訊訊息都被認為是詐騙變成政府沒有辦法接觸到民眾的情況那這個我們就透過111這個公部門專用的簡訊平台\n現在大家就知道說不是一一發的又是說台水台電要繳錢那個就假的了這就是真正的源頭防詐政府公部門然後還有剛剛部長提到的國營事業然後還有一些像電商某某他們我們就發現就是當然就是民間的三大電信等等因為我們一開頭是政府才能夠用的但是三大電信其實他們現在自己都用六碼的這個短碼每個都已經有了\n5、5、6、8、8其實是無碼的短碼所以大家看到短碼就知道我們希望可以不要觸及到民眾就是我們做防堵讓民眾不會接觸到對那針對於是應該是這樣講是說如果你看到國際上面傳來的訊息或者是說一個實碼的他說他是台稅這一部分當然有NCC有做一部分的攔阻啦\n但是大家就算看到了一看了不是111不是短碼就知道說絕對就是假的這樣所以這兩個在源頭上面一個是對於他傳訊的本身裡面有附網址等等的去攔阻那二方面是說111把真實的這個部分讓大家知道是部長您提到國際那根據資安大廠趨勢科技發布調查今天總統大選期間中國駭客組織EarthBusca\n他們利用地緣政治敏感議題透過社交工程的手法對臺灣發起駭客的活動。訴發部報告還有內容出國成效都有提到國家自動安全發展方案那強化智慧國家數位安全韌性部長您一直提到韌性這兩個字以及跨國聯防對抗治安的威脅掌握全球治安發展脈動還有促進促進跨國治安聯防等數位部隊這種重大駭客的攻擊防護能力如何?\n其實選前像這種社交工程、詐騙電子優先真的有一波﹖確實是平常的好幾倍喔那但是不論是這個還是阻斷攻擊等等這個我們是有偵測到而且有擋下來所以事實上沒有出事是因為我們做很多事情那第二步就是我們在未來有這樣重要事件的時候我們藉由新的自動安全管理法或一個調度的這個權限所以就讓其他的旁邊的資安專責人也可以來一起來參與\n想請教部長因為很多詐騙集團他們的機房都設於國外那被害者常常求助無門更助長很多境外的詐騙特別瞄準臺灣人民那臺灣是資訊科技大國有那麼多的高科技人才速發部卻仍然無能為力嗎?不是這樣子我想以境外的這個廣告平台剛剛很多委員在追詢一方面當然我們有主動跟經濟部說之後是不是這些網路廣告平台也應該移來當我們主管\n如果真的有移過來之後又推了電子簽章法那他不管是在境內境外他同樣的都收到需要有數位簽章這個規範那未來我們也會參與像打造專法去說如果他真的在境內都沒有設定代理人的話我們必須要他到一定規模的時候就要設定代理人了\n蘇發部積極出國參與國際重要的會議還有活動．以掌握各國的數位．技術還有政策發展情形．對於源頭打炸及治安實際成效如何．請部長說明所以就剛剛提到我們已經主管的部分．他比方說電商．我們就是跟國外同步去讓銀碼技術．就是電商不用把你的個資．包含手機號碼交給物流．\n獲得獲得獲得獲得獲得獲得獲得\n希望部長還有可以繼續再助能力我們希望民眾可以不用接觸到就是詐騙被詐騙集團鎖定對因為這個部長談到的這個111那感覺還是在針對就是電商只是廣告平台的部分對廣告平台的部分是現在大家最關注的因為很多他並不是電商很多是B2C嘛就是有這個大的平台賣給人\n但是現在很多他移到廣告平台變C to C就他打個廣告然後他就好像自己直播然後就賣個東西這個時候他並不是商家。對C to C是部長提到就是在臉書上面就是需要用這個。對那這個電子簽商法才能夠給我們就是即使對方賣的這個人是自然人他下一個投資廣告或什麼都可以讓他要數位簽賬。那您提到實名制那後續的處理呢?就是不只是下架。\n對 謝謝我想兩件事一個是說投資廣告當然現在檢舉24小時要下架那我們是希望說他被下架之後不能換個名字再上來這是第一點那第二個是說我們有跨平台的聯防所以他在這邊下架的時候我們就同步通報到其他的包含廣告平台、電商平台、165等等那這個時候他在所有其他別的平台的也可以一起下架\n那實名制會需要他的身份證紙好嗎?是數位簽章了數位簽章對那數位簽章裏面很重要的是因為投信投顧法裏面已經講了說登廣告這個人他必須要來做揭露這個是法有授權所以除非說他跟我剛好同名同姓那當然就是他可以看一次吧但是如果他被下架之後他也不能再冒充我了OK好謝謝部長好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.291 --> 00:15.911\n好,部長,詐欺犯罪猖獗不僅已經是民怨了那連基層的檢察官也反彈囉那法務部繼去年增加了100名檢察官助理今年再增加增聘了150名檢察官助理\n\n00:16.351 --> 00:36.704\n那並實施各項的改善方案、紓減檢察官的工作負荷那這邊要請問部長對於去年第一層檢察官點名、金管會、NCC還有訴發部好訴發部機構說是否涉及行政怠惰並盼法務部盡快增加檢察官能力部長有什麼看法還有什麼\n\n00:38.085 --> 01:04.460\n可以有什麼樣的解討方案?好謝謝我想委員這個講得非常好因為我們這三個其實是聯房的關係那當時檢察官主要反應的就是說像第三方支付在我們可是金融監理的很多工具在金管會那我們如果不把系統馬上接起來的話那就會變成是說我們第三方支付這邊他們認為說要成為一個破口但是這個我們包含洗房在內的這些做法我們立刻就提出能量登錄的方案而且很多是跟檢察官一起討論出來的\n\n01:05.561 --> 01:30.697\n所以當然我們現在能量登錄當然已經上路了就不會像大家以前坊間說好像有上萬家第三方支付的營業項目跟委員報告現在只有40多家是跟我們有登錄的能量登錄是什麼時候的?是,能量登錄就是在去年委員提這個漸清漸改的時候我們去年就提出這個方案那我們一路輔導到去年年底那基本上都有來登錄所以到今年呢就是大家如果沒有登錄的這些第三方支付就不能再拿到虛擬賬號了\n\n01:32.042 --> 01:58.531\n那有具體的數據?下降的數據嗎?是的當然我們其實從第三方支付的這個量能可以看到就是之前第三方支付在完全沒有這個能量登錄的情況之下很多的詐欺他都是透過第三方支付的方式可能一層兩層就這樣子轉出去那現在呢我們在跟檢察官合作的時候即時通報的案件的這個處理的速度包含圈存、警示賬戶等等這個速度都有大幅的改善那這部分我們是不是書面在提供委員?\n\n01:58.871 --> 02:20.546\nOK好謝謝部長那我們看第二張簡報那詐騙已經是民怨排行榜的前面可以看到是第三個詐騙詐騙猖獗與資安議題那去年大選期間TPOC臺灣議題研究中心也透過了QuickSeek快息與輿論分析資料庫收集從去年1月到10月的時候網路輿情的聲量數據系統他統計出民進黨政府十大\n\n02:21.980 --> 02:49.537\n十大民怨我們可以看到那也可以看到那個倉爵治安的問題政府雖然一直在做宣傳但詐騙案件和治安事件一直頻傳那訴發部應該正式民眾這邊我們談到是民眾遭詐騙的困擾從源頭源頭就防堵詐騙還有強化治安管理那訴發部應該好好運用數位科技的專長那提供打造國家對相關部會還有數位治安的科技協助那具體的作為呢針對於源頭\n\n02:50.518 --> 03:12.004\n是的有一個大家在之前常常收到的就是假冒政府機關那好比像說台水台電說要繳費但是這個點進去就是詐騙嘛那又導致什麼呢有一陣子連地方的國稅局他真的是簡訊訊息都被認為是詐騙變成政府沒有辦法接觸到民眾的情況那這個我們就透過111這個公部門專用的簡訊平台\n\n03:14.345 --> 03:36.765\n現在大家就知道說不是一一發的又是說台水台電要繳錢那個就假的了這就是真正的源頭防詐政府公部門然後還有剛剛部長提到的國營事業然後還有一些像電商某某他們我們就發現就是當然就是民間的三大電信等等因為我們一開頭是政府才能夠用的但是三大電信其實他們現在自己都用六碼的這個短碼每個都已經有了\n\n03:38.226 --> 03:57.319\n5、5、6、8、8其實是無碼的短碼所以大家看到短碼就知道我們希望可以不要觸及到民眾就是我們做防堵讓民眾不會接觸到對那針對於是應該是這樣講是說如果你看到國際上面傳來的訊息或者是說一個實碼的他說他是台稅這一部分當然有NCC有做一部分的攔阻啦\n\n03:57.819 --> 04:18.144\n但是大家就算看到了一看了不是111不是短碼就知道說絕對就是假的這樣所以這兩個在源頭上面一個是對於他傳訊的本身裡面有附網址等等的去攔阻那二方面是說111把真實的這個部分讓大家知道是部長您提到國際那根據資安大廠趨勢科技發布調查今天總統大選期間中國駭客組織EarthBusca\n\n04:18.624 --> 04:44.386\n他們利用地緣政治敏感議題透過社交工程的手法對臺灣發起駭客的活動。訴發部報告還有內容出國成效都有提到國家自動安全發展方案那強化智慧國家數位安全韌性部長您一直提到韌性這兩個字以及跨國聯防對抗治安的威脅掌握全球治安發展脈動還有促進促進跨國治安聯防等數位部隊這種重大駭客的攻擊防護能力如何?\n\n04:45.046 --> 05:08.731\n其實選前像這種社交工程、詐騙電子優先真的有一波﹖確實是平常的好幾倍喔那但是不論是這個還是阻斷攻擊等等這個我們是有偵測到而且有擋下來所以事實上沒有出事是因為我們做很多事情那第二步就是我們在未來有這樣重要事件的時候我們藉由新的自動安全管理法或一個調度的這個權限所以就讓其他的旁邊的資安專責人也可以來一起來參與\n\n05:10.822 --> 05:38.309\n想請教部長因為很多詐騙集團他們的機房都設於國外那被害者常常求助無門更助長很多境外的詐騙特別瞄準臺灣人民那臺灣是資訊科技大國有那麼多的高科技人才速發部卻仍然無能為力嗎?不是這樣子我想以境外的這個廣告平台剛剛很多委員在追詢一方面當然我們有主動跟經濟部說之後是不是這些網路廣告平台也應該移來當我們主管\n\n05:38.809 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