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00:00:36,853\n部長其實我今天一樣跟我們的林國城委員一樣先幫你報區一下這個去年我們在編列今年出國考察預算的時候我們編了3000多萬元被有一些不同的意見大家認為是編太多有浪費公帑的情形很多人都有一些批評但這個在前幾天一樣是浪費公帑的情況下這個2.8億這個數位身份證的賠償金額哇大家都在護航\n\n3\n00:00:40,974 --> 00:00:58,319\n你可能心裡會有一點不平衡啦一樣這個可能公帑大的使用上面這個2.8億丟一個水漂下去什麼都沒有結果結果你3000多萬的考察費用就被批評成這樣我是覺得可能心裡會有點不太平衡講一個你可能更不平衡的事情喔這個除了2.8億的賠償經費之外其實我們國家並不只有賠償2.8億的經費\n\n4\n00:01:03,780 --> 00:01:24,177\n包括前置的設置費用硬體設置費用有3.79億已經付給廠商了還有6800萬的一些維護一些耗材的費用6800萬加起來我們國家總共在數位身份證上面實際上給這個廠商的費用大概是7.27億完全是我們3000多萬考材預算的\n\n5\n00:01:25,185 --> 00:01:25,305\n委員會主席\n\n6\n00:01:44,855 --> 00:01:59,881\n計劃而是暫緩預算每年有6300萬的維護費用要再編列支出那我想確認一下部長因為現在是暫緩那未來我們數位身份證的推動在我們訴發部這邊我們的立場是什麼樣包括剛剛有提到的資安我們訴發部的立場是什麼樣\n\n7\n00:02:03,722 --> 00:02:05,444\n所以您認為在資安上面我們現行的設計是沒有問題的?\n\n8\n00:02:24,794 --> 00:02:46,021\n在資安方面其實我們現在用自然人憑證在國際上我們是算有EID的國家就是因為有自然人憑證那我們當然對於自然人憑證以及現在APP行動自然人憑證的資安這個當然我們跟內政部是用最高規格去看待現在只是說這個個資大家希望一個獨立的個資會確保那這裡面有我們書發部的這個角色嗎\n\n9\n00:02:46,838 --> 00:03:06,310\n當然我們是資安的主責機關啊但是各自會是獨立的獨立機關的意思就是不會預算變到我們不會變到你們這邊但是在成立這個算各自會的過程當中還是需要我們訴發部的一個協助我有特別就是指定我們的行政法人資安院在技術上面各自會所有需要協助資安院就好我們這邊還是要拜託我們訴發部喔\n\n10\n00:03:07,631 --> 00:03:33,344\n在成立這個後續身分證的這個各自委員會的上面我們也要多用點心因為現在我們國家還在每個每年要花費6300萬去做這個設備的維護拖一天工廠就浪費了20萬那再拜託我們的數發部是那之前還有民間的訴求是內政部應該用一個專法明定說如果不是用數位不想用數位的他不會因此喪失什麼權益那這部分可能就要請內政部\n\n11\n00:03:34,284 --> 00:03:59,095\n那大家一起加油那這個考察的部分雖然說這個相較之下我們的金額比較少啦但是也不是沒有這個可以檢討的空間那我肯定我們剛剛有提供的報告包括去年度跟今年度要預計的這個出國考察嘛那在考察的數量上面我先說經費啦去年是1408萬嘛對不對那今年大概是3000變3000多3700然後被砍了600嘛對不對所以原則上預算是增倍的嘛對不對\n\n12\n00:04:04,544 --> 00:04:24,111\n但因為業務也是增備啊可是我們看我們的考察的這個會議數量去年只有大概28個會議的場次那如果說預算增備的話那我們要參加的會議的場次應該也是要相對應接近兩倍但是我們看今年的計畫我們目前只有安排34場只有從28變成34但是我們的經費\n\n13\n00:04:28,132 --> 00:04:53,790\n我們不算你原本編列的啦就是被砍過被砍過了我們是正面的情況下我們只增加六場怎麼那麼多的預算先跟委員說明有一些他是多個不同的就是機關包含像資安署、數產署等等在資安相關的因為分成就是關鍵基礎跟公部門資安的部分資安研究的部分還有資安產業的部分所以同一個這個會議本來可能只有一小部分人參加那現在會變成比較多人參加這第一個\n\n14\n00:04:54,390 --> 00:05:10,826\n第二個是說我們也發現到包含這個機票的這個油料的費用啊等等這個是他實際上是有調升啦所以這部分也有調升那最後就是說我們真正的新興業務委員看到如果是一場經貿談判或是跟對方互訪等等其實一個談判後面是有非常多場會議喔\n\n15\n00:05:11,887 --> 00:05:37,121\n所以我只是提醒部長我相信公家單位的使用經費絕對有相關的包括自己部門包括城市機關的積合但是既然我們經費增加了一倍但是我們參訪數量卻只增加了六場那大家會認為他在使用上面的合理性我們有沒有浪費工廠是不是從原本的商務艙變頭等艙還是住的飯店要變高級這個是可能單純我們在書面上面看到會懷疑的部分那所以後續可能相關的\n\n16\n00:05:38,642 --> 00:05:53,318\n這個成果還是要跟我們的國安來做說明的報告另外一個請教一個比較專業的問題啦你的部長認為我們國家在未來資安風險上面遇到最大的挑戰會是什麼當然是深層SAI深層SAI\n\n17\n00:05:54,690 --> 00:06:17,416\n深層式AI?所以你認為深層式AI會對資安系統有破壞?因為現在很多的供給它是好像遙控一樣它要有一個人在後面去操縱但是深層式AI它就好像把一個黑帽駭客放到我們的電腦網路裡它自己在這邊用現有的工具自己想出怎麼供給它完全不需要外面遙控那這個的狀態完全不一樣\n\n18\n00:06:18,052 --> 00:06:47,332\n因為現在包括我們的資安尤其是銀行的啦那一些資安的一些要破解可能都是要花現行的電腦啦可能都是要花上千年的一個時間的這個運轉的效率才有可能破解嘛那大家現在比較擔心的事情是一件事情就是量子電腦的誕生我們對於現今資安系統的建制如果說未來有任何敵對的國家他發展出了量子電腦他發展出來可以運用絕對不會跟你講嘛\n\n19\n00:06:48,112 --> 00:07:05,613\n對不對就像當初這個二戰的時候這個密碼戰的時候一定是先建立好了之後擷取你的很多情報等到你被發現的時候你已經受到了很大的傷害那我們國家對於將來量子電腦如果真的誕生了那我們國安的這個治安要我們怎麼預防\n\n20\n00:07:07,592 --> 00:07:33,580\n我們的研究人員其實一直都積極的來參與包含美國在內制定叫後量子密碼學就是不怕量子電腦的加密方式的包含標準的制定啊等等這個我們都積極的參與所以我想這個還有一段時間不像現在現在就很大的威脅了在未來的幾年裡面我們會更新我們的系統到即使量子電腦研發出來他也不能回溯把他們攔截的這些加密訊息加以破解就是導入後量子密碼這個非常重要\n\n21\n00:07:33,840 --> 00:08:00,344\n所以部長的意思是說現在我們已經有正視到的這個問題那有在相關的討論當中了但是目前還沒有明確的方案出來他需要一個國際標準包含怎麼樣是跟國際的廠商用相同的標準一起導入所以是不只我們的政府部門包括將來商業的部門可能會有一套防範電子電腦的一個就是後端電子密碼學好那這部分在一樣我們國內絕對是不能夠落後於國際的絕對不會落後好以上這個謝謝部長那今天的時間到這邊謝謝部長謝謝召委\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2703\t3746\t麻煩邀請我們的唐部長\n11284\t36853\t部長其實我今天一樣跟我們的林國城委員一樣先幫你報區一下這個去年我們在編列今年出國考察預算的時候我們編了3000多萬元被有一些不同的意見大家認為是編太多有浪費公帑的情形很多人都有一些批評但這個在前幾天一樣是浪費公帑的情況下這個2.8億這個數位身份證的賠償金額哇大家都在護航\n40974\t58319\t你可能心裡會有一點不平衡啦一樣這個可能公帑大的使用上面這個2.8億丟一個水漂下去什麼都沒有結果結果你3000多萬的考察費用就被批評成這樣我是覺得可能心裡會有點不太平衡講一個你可能更不平衡的事情喔這個除了2.8億的賠償經費之外其實我們國家並不只有賠償2.8億的經費\n63780\t84177\t包括前置的設置費用硬體設置費用有3.79億已經付給廠商了還有6800萬的一些維護一些耗材的費用6800萬加起來我們國家總共在數位身份證上面實際上給這個廠商的費用大概是7.27億完全是我們3000多萬考材預算的\n85185\t85305\t委員會主席\n104855\t119881\t計劃而是暫緩預算每年有6300萬的維護費用要再編列支出那我想確認一下部長因為現在是暫緩那未來我們數位身份證的推動在我們訴發部這邊我們的立場是什麼樣包括剛剛有提到的資安我們訴發部的立場是什麼樣\n123722\t125444\t所以您認為在資安上面我們現行的設計是沒有問題的?\n144794\t166021\t在資安方面其實我們現在用自然人憑證在國際上我們是算有EID的國家就是因為有自然人憑證那我們當然對於自然人憑證以及現在APP行動自然人憑證的資安這個當然我們跟內政部是用最高規格去看待現在只是說這個個資大家希望一個獨立的個資會確保那這裡面有我們書發部的這個角色嗎\n166838\t186310\t當然我們是資安的主責機關啊但是各自會是獨立的獨立機關的意思就是不會預算變到我們不會變到你們這邊但是在成立這個算各自會的過程當中還是需要我們訴發部的一個協助我有特別就是指定我們的行政法人資安院在技術上面各自會所有需要協助資安院就好我們這邊還是要拜託我們訴發部喔\n187631\t213344\t在成立這個後續身分證的這個各自委員會的上面我們也要多用點心因為現在我們國家還在每個每年要花費6300萬去做這個設備的維護拖一天工廠就浪費了20萬那再拜託我們的數發部是那之前還有民間的訴求是內政部應該用一個專法明定說如果不是用數位不想用數位的他不會因此喪失什麼權益那這部分可能就要請內政部\n214284\t239095\t那大家一起加油那這個考察的部分雖然說這個相較之下我們的金額比較少啦但是也不是沒有這個可以檢討的空間那我肯定我們剛剛有提供的報告包括去年度跟今年度要預計的這個出國考察嘛那在考察的數量上面我先說經費啦去年是1408萬嘛對不對那今年大概是3000變3000多3700然後被砍了600嘛對不對所以原則上預算是增倍的嘛對不對\n244544\t264111\t但因為業務也是增備啊可是我們看我們的考察的這個會議數量去年只有大概28個會議的場次那如果說預算增備的話那我們要參加的會議的場次應該也是要相對應接近兩倍但是我們看今年的計畫我們目前只有安排34場只有從28變成34但是我們的經費\n268132\t293790\t我們不算你原本編列的啦就是被砍過被砍過了我們是正面的情況下我們只增加六場怎麼那麼多的預算先跟委員說明有一些他是多個不同的就是機關包含像資安署、數產署等等在資安相關的因為分成就是關鍵基礎跟公部門資安的部分資安研究的部分還有資安產業的部分所以同一個這個會議本來可能只有一小部分人參加那現在會變成比較多人參加這第一個\n294390\t310826\t第二個是說我們也發現到包含這個機票的這個油料的費用啊等等這個是他實際上是有調升啦所以這部分也有調升那最後就是說我們真正的新興業務委員看到如果是一場經貿談判或是跟對方互訪等等其實一個談判後面是有非常多場會議喔\n311887\t337121\t所以我只是提醒部長我相信公家單位的使用經費絕對有相關的包括自己部門包括城市機關的積合但是既然我們經費增加了一倍但是我們參訪數量卻只增加了六場那大家會認為他在使用上面的合理性我們有沒有浪費工廠是不是從原本的商務艙變頭等艙還是住的飯店要變高級這個是可能單純我們在書面上面看到會懷疑的部分那所以後續可能相關的\n338642\t353318\t這個成果還是要跟我們的國安來做說明的報告另外一個請教一個比較專業的問題啦你的部長認為我們國家在未來資安風險上面遇到最大的挑戰會是什麼當然是深層SAI深層SAI\n354690\t377416\t深層式AI?所以你認為深層式AI會對資安系統有破壞?因為現在很多的供給它是好像遙控一樣它要有一個人在後面去操縱但是深層式AI它就好像把一個黑帽駭客放到我們的電腦網路裡它自己在這邊用現有的工具自己想出怎麼供給它完全不需要外面遙控那這個的狀態完全不一樣\n378052\t407332\t因為現在包括我們的資安尤其是銀行的啦那一些資安的一些要破解可能都是要花現行的電腦啦可能都是要花上千年的一個時間的這個運轉的效率才有可能破解嘛那大家現在比較擔心的事情是一件事情就是量子電腦的誕生我們對於現今資安系統的建制如果說未來有任何敵對的國家他發展出了量子電腦他發展出來可以運用絕對不會跟你講嘛\n408112\t425613\t對不對就像當初這個二戰的時候這個密碼戰的時候一定是先建立好了之後擷取你的很多情報等到你被發現的時候你已經受到了很大的傷害那我們國家對於將來量子電腦如果真的誕生了那我們國安的這個治安要我們怎麼預防\n427592\t453580\t我們的研究人員其實一直都積極的來參與包含美國在內制定叫後量子密碼學就是不怕量子電腦的加密方式的包含標準的制定啊等等這個我們都積極的參與所以我想這個還有一段時間不像現在現在就很大的威脅了在未來的幾年裡面我們會更新我們的系統到即使量子電腦研發出來他也不能回溯把他們攔截的這些加密訊息加以破解就是導入後量子密碼這個非常重要\n453840\t480344\t所以部長的意思是說現在我們已經有正視到的這個問題那有在相關的討論當中了但是目前還沒有明確的方案出來他需要一個國際標準包含怎麼樣是跟國際的廠商用相同的標準一起導入所以是不只我們的政府部門包括將來商業的部門可能會有一套防範電子電腦的一個就是後端電子密碼學好那這部分在一樣我們國內絕對是不能夠落後於國際的絕對不會落後好以上這個謝謝部長那今天的時間到這邊謝謝部長謝謝召委\n","txt":"麻煩邀請我們的唐部長\n部長其實我今天一樣跟我們的林國城委員一樣先幫你報區一下這個去年我們在編列今年出國考察預算的時候我們編了3000多萬元被有一些不同的意見大家認為是編太多有浪費公帑的情形很多人都有一些批評但這個在前幾天一樣是浪費公帑的情況下這個2.8億這個數位身份證的賠償金額哇大家都在護航\n你可能心裡會有一點不平衡啦一樣這個可能公帑大的使用上面這個2.8億丟一個水漂下去什麼都沒有結果結果你3000多萬的考察費用就被批評成這樣我是覺得可能心裡會有點不太平衡講一個你可能更不平衡的事情喔這個除了2.8億的賠償經費之外其實我們國家並不只有賠償2.8億的經費\n包括前置的設置費用硬體設置費用有3.79億已經付給廠商了還有6800萬的一些維護一些耗材的費用6800萬加起來我們國家總共在數位身份證上面實際上給這個廠商的費用大概是7.27億完全是我們3000多萬考材預算的\n委員會主席\n計劃而是暫緩預算每年有6300萬的維護費用要再編列支出那我想確認一下部長因為現在是暫緩那未來我們數位身份證的推動在我們訴發部這邊我們的立場是什麼樣包括剛剛有提到的資安我們訴發部的立場是什麼樣\n所以您認為在資安上面我們現行的設計是沒有問題的?\n在資安方面其實我們現在用自然人憑證在國際上我們是算有EID的國家就是因為有自然人憑證那我們當然對於自然人憑證以及現在APP行動自然人憑證的資安這個當然我們跟內政部是用最高規格去看待現在只是說這個個資大家希望一個獨立的個資會確保那這裡面有我們書發部的這個角色嗎\n當然我們是資安的主責機關啊但是各自會是獨立的獨立機關的意思就是不會預算變到我們不會變到你們這邊但是在成立這個算各自會的過程當中還是需要我們訴發部的一個協助我有特別就是指定我們的行政法人資安院在技術上面各自會所有需要協助資安院就好我們這邊還是要拜託我們訴發部喔\n在成立這個後續身分證的這個各自委員會的上面我們也要多用點心因為現在我們國家還在每個每年要花費6300萬去做這個設備的維護拖一天工廠就浪費了20萬那再拜託我們的數發部是那之前還有民間的訴求是內政部應該用一個專法明定說如果不是用數位不想用數位的他不會因此喪失什麼權益那這部分可能就要請內政部\n那大家一起加油那這個考察的部分雖然說這個相較之下我們的金額比較少啦但是也不是沒有這個可以檢討的空間那我肯定我們剛剛有提供的報告包括去年度跟今年度要預計的這個出國考察嘛那在考察的數量上面我先說經費啦去年是1408萬嘛對不對那今年大概是3000變3000多3700然後被砍了600嘛對不對所以原則上預算是增倍的嘛對不對\n但因為業務也是增備啊可是我們看我們的考察的這個會議數量去年只有大概28個會議的場次那如果說預算增備的話那我們要參加的會議的場次應該也是要相對應接近兩倍但是我們看今年的計畫我們目前只有安排34場只有從28變成34但是我們的經費\n我們不算你原本編列的啦就是被砍過被砍過了我們是正面的情況下我們只增加六場怎麼那麼多的預算先跟委員說明有一些他是多個不同的就是機關包含像資安署、數產署等等在資安相關的因為分成就是關鍵基礎跟公部門資安的部分資安研究的部分還有資安產業的部分所以同一個這個會議本來可能只有一小部分人參加那現在會變成比較多人參加這第一個\n第二個是說我們也發現到包含這個機票的這個油料的費用啊等等這個是他實際上是有調升啦所以這部分也有調升那最後就是說我們真正的新興業務委員看到如果是一場經貿談判或是跟對方互訪等等其實一個談判後面是有非常多場會議喔\n所以我只是提醒部長我相信公家單位的使用經費絕對有相關的包括自己部門包括城市機關的積合但是既然我們經費增加了一倍但是我們參訪數量卻只增加了六場那大家會認為他在使用上面的合理性我們有沒有浪費工廠是不是從原本的商務艙變頭等艙還是住的飯店要變高級這個是可能單純我們在書面上面看到會懷疑的部分那所以後續可能相關的\n這個成果還是要跟我們的國安來做說明的報告另外一個請教一個比較專業的問題啦你的部長認為我們國家在未來資安風險上面遇到最大的挑戰會是什麼當然是深層SAI深層SAI\n深層式AI?所以你認為深層式AI會對資安系統有破壞?因為現在很多的供給它是好像遙控一樣它要有一個人在後面去操縱但是深層式AI它就好像把一個黑帽駭客放到我們的電腦網路裡它自己在這邊用現有的工具自己想出怎麼供給它完全不需要外面遙控那這個的狀態完全不一樣\n因為現在包括我們的資安尤其是銀行的啦那一些資安的一些要破解可能都是要花現行的電腦啦可能都是要花上千年的一個時間的這個運轉的效率才有可能破解嘛那大家現在比較擔心的事情是一件事情就是量子電腦的誕生我們對於現今資安系統的建制如果說未來有任何敵對的國家他發展出了量子電腦他發展出來可以運用絕對不會跟你講嘛\n對不對就像當初這個二戰的時候這個密碼戰的時候一定是先建立好了之後擷取你的很多情報等到你被發現的時候你已經受到了很大的傷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