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00:02:32,252\n所以就是大家感受是很不好就是你點了連不到但是光是看到心情就不好嘛所以這個狀態真的是需要靠電子簽賬法變成是只有他真的跟我同名同姓的人才能夠冒名我等廣告而且只能等一次被發現就下架了那這個我們已經送到立法院了很希望就是交委會大家能夠支持而且金管會因為那天大家都在問金管會說為什麼Google跟臉書就是好像Google比較快臉書比較慢臉書是要到6月嗎\n\n7\n00:02:33,332 --> 00:02:54,051\n對,那是什麼樣子的問題?我想這個有兩個原因啦一個是說臉書雖然它現在已經對於政治類廣告或選舉期間的廣告它有一套KYC就是做身份認證的方法你要拍身份證正反面等等但它這個並不是像數位簽章一樣快速用機器就可以驗證它後面有一些人工作業\n\n8\n00:02:54,631 --> 00:03:08,745\n所以Facebook會擔心說如果所有投資廣告都要那個量很大的話他受不受得了所以我們現在推電子簽商法就是一方面也是在省臉書的麻煩就是他可以用機器直接就驗數位簽商不用再去看這個身份證是不是會合成的等等\n\n9\n00:03:09,315 --> 00:03:30,753\n所以他現在是用手動的而不是用那為什麼我們在申請就是說臉書的數位認證的時候你還是就是說你還是好像他還是是用還是用就是說用感覺上啦因為我們也不知道後台的作業是怎麼樣子的\n\n10\n00:03:32,875 --> 00:03:49,008\n對因為你不知道他到底是用電腦驗還是用人工驗這是無法當然先用電腦篩過啦就是說如果看起來就是假的當然電腦可以會去判斷但是如果只拍身份證反面他的問題是這樣就是說可能這個人他為了辦別的業務提供身份證反面出去\n\n11\n00:03:49,568 --> 00:04:11,622\n那個人把他攔截住了或那個人冒他的名再去跟臉書去申請驗證這就是因為這個身份證反面本身他並不是等於蓋章或者是硬件證明他沒有附著在一個文件上所以這個情況下你不知道他提供是真的他提供還他提供給別人別人在提供那我們透過電子信用法就可以杜絕這樣的情況他提供就是為了這次的申請來提供\n\n12\n00:04:12,738 --> 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