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00:02:53,023\n所以我們現在在那個山下的行政園區新蓋了一個行政大樓未來會把那個跟典藏文物不相關展覆不相關的同仁都遷到山下來辦公然後把山上的空間地下室的部分盡可能改為標準庫房那這樣的話就可以讓這些山洞裡的文物然後可以得到一個標準庫房的一個待遇\n\n9\n00:02:54,203 --> 00:03:09,080\n對整個文物的保存的話基本上來講的話會有比較好的一個比較好的一個措施對對對比較好的環境措施是那這個環境措施大概什麼預計在什麼時候可以完\n\n10\n00:03:09,460 --> 00:03:34,166\n目前來講的話我們在去年徵聘了一位同仁從英國回來因為他有代孕博物館的典藏庫房的經驗所以現在他在做規劃那目前的話我們會開始試做那個改箱為一味一盒的盒子因為原來的話是採用那個藍布盒子藍布盒子的話在台灣的話老將士已經沒有了變成說要去大陸製作可是大陸製作的品質的話\n\n11\n00:03:36,646 --> 00:03:39,428\n另外一個部分就是關於谷物修復的這樣子的一個工作我想這個我們整個所有在故宮裡面將近快要70萬件的一個文件應該這麼講就是谷物還有包含一些典藏\n\n12\n00:04:04,502 --> 00:04:23,408\n目前聽說只有4類的修復室那這4類的修復室當中其實又包含了我們的修復師的人員的配置那我們知道其實修復的人員因為這方面的專業人員我相信其實一定都是上上之選當然也經過一些很嚴格的挑選\n\n13\n00:04:26,751 --> 00:04:34,221\n人員的養成並不容易但是我們看到我們的修復師其實總共才16人是這樣子的一個編制嗎?\n\n14\n00:04:36,421 --> 00:04:56,121\n基本上這樣的編制在國內的博物館裡面已經是最大的編制因為國內的博物館他如果說有辦法配置專業的修護師的話大概其他的博物館的話都不在五人制上所以故宮基本上來講在我們整個人力調配上現在目前的人數是這樣\n\n15\n00:04:57,870 --> 00:05:07,864\n他們一年當中其實要修復的都是將近快上百件我們可以從這樣子的一個表格當中可以看到光是在去年其實是修復了這個753件次是嗎?對\n\n16\n00:05:13,078 --> 00:05:30,559\n對,沒有錯。平均的話就是一個人的修復數量的話是47件所以其實有的文物修復或是檢視的話很快但是有的文物的話一修可能他的等待時間的話就是一兩個禮拜甚至上一個月都需要\n\n17\n00:05:31,420 --> 00:05:58,198\n因為我們大概知道其實我們整個所有的典藏的文物包含書畫、歷史文獻、紡織、玉器、銅器、瓷器還有其他的一些不同的材質他們有需要不同的一個專業的領域的修護師那目前台灣其實在這方面的人才的培養在大學裡頭相關科系的大概有哪一些我們是不是也從這個地方已經開始在著手這些修護師的一些培訓\n\n18\n00:05:59,679 --> 00:06:28,655\n根委員報告就是表列裡面的話其實真正的國內可以培養修復人才的話是那個南藝大的博物館及古物修復研究所因為他真的培養出來的人才的話可以馬上進到博物館來使用其他的管所的所謂的文資的話大部分都是歷史建築或是古蹟方面真正的古物修復的話大概就是南藝大現在是最強的\n\n19\n00:06:44,472 --> 00:07:12,224\n我希望其實就是我們也鼓勵很多的我們的青年朋友們如果能夠將來可以投入到這樣子的一個修護室的一個工作其實是我們蠻樂見的就跟教育界的結合跟委員報告在南岩的那個國報館就南岩的第二展覽館裡面我們有特別規劃一個完整的一個修護空間這個修護空間的話基本上除了文物修護之外製品修護之外的話我們會跟南藝大建教合作\n\n20\n00:07:16,348 --> 00:07:25,178\n有沒有可能也跟國外的一些博物館的修護師或者是美術館的修護師有來做一個這樣子的一個比較平凡性的交流?\n\n21\n00:07:26,658 --> 00:07:52,367\n基本上當然有啦就是我們有跟那個英國的諾桑比亞大學跟美國的德拉克拉瓦大學都有進行這樣的一個文物短期的就是一個教育研習訓練那另外的話我們跟那個日本的那個大阪市立陶瓷美術館也有請他們來協助我們做文物持拿文物保存的一個訓練\n\n22\n00:07:54,748 --> 00:08:23,147\n稍後我想要請教的就是因為其實在疫情過後我們當然也希望人潮可以慢慢的回流我相信有很多人其實已經都出國去旅遊了但是其實在我們的整個所有的參觀人次上面其實我們在去年的統計是155萬左右的一個人次當然相較於前幾年是大不如以往那這個部分其實我們是不是也在今年有什麼樣的一個目標其實是可以往前\n\n23\n00:08:24,441 --> 00:08:53,303\n今年目標我們當然是希望北院250萬南院100萬然後總共350萬那後續的話我們希望繼續的提升因為剛剛也有委員提到就是說新故宮計畫完成之後我們的目標值是800萬當然這個目標值的估計可能當時比較樂觀一點就從500萬加到800萬好像很快現在的話從我們最低的時候是11萬要到800萬是一個很長的距離\n\n24\n00:08:53,983 --> 00:09:22,088\n可是我相信故宮會超越我們原來的五百多萬的人次我想八百萬我不敢講但是新故宮計畫完成之後五百萬一定沒有問題其實我希望就是不是只有國外的這個訪客來啦其實我們在光是自己本身國內的很多的單位或者是學校的團體其實也能夠做更多的一些交流跟教育的一個工作讓他們去導覽我覺得這個相信也是對故宮是一些好事喔那\n\n25\n00:09:23,666 --> 00:09:47,286\n另外就是在跟國外國際接軌我們現在在今年預計跟哪一些國際的單位有所謂的互相交流跟借展的一個活動是目前確定可以被進行的今年確定了兩個展覽活動的話一個是北院放課雅寶那法國裝飾藝術博物館然後跟故宮合作的\n\n26\n00:09:48,827 --> 00:09:51,488\n所以我們也將在近期都可以看到這個部分的互相的一個交流跟機會對不對\n\n27\n00:10:16,015 --> 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