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00:03:22,487\n那我也看到你的報告裡面其實也提到了其實我看到你甚至於反映成本是你的一個關鍵性的因素我們來看一下其實在台灣的這個電價的部分其實跟其他世界各國比不管是住宅、工業其實都算是相當控制在一個比較低的狀況所以看到出來其實政府的一個努力希望控制那但是確實是因為整個戰爭的衝突造成價格的漲了之後\n\n9\n00:03:24,728 --> 00:03:43,526\n那虧損確實也造成了一定的影響那台電很努力啦我就認為努力我們持續的爭取了撥補那我第一個也想問啦因為部長的報告裡也提到你的結論第一點將優先來爭取政府的補助是那部長這個有沒有提出請求了有有我們有跟院長請求多少的金額1000億還是1500億\n\n10\n00:03:46,387 --> 00:04:10,558\n這個部分院裡面在涉算那部長你提出來就總是讓大家知道就是說因為接下來要處理的是電價審議了那審議在談這件事情總是先看到政府在這件事情的決心嘛在我的角度上面我認為比較賺錢的或者是高這個應該由他們來補啦你不應該由國家來幫你出這個錢但是對於民生甚至有可能會造成物價波動的這一塊應該由國家再多幫點忙\n\n11\n00:04:11,378 --> 00:04:22,391\n我認為國家在撥補是在補這一塊補民生、補一般的小老百姓可能會影響到甚至物價的波動的那這一塊部長這一塊我們政府做什麼努力至少超過一千億的爭取吧\n\n12\n00:04:23,762 --> 00:04:44,883\n是,我們是希望有1000億以上的爭取,那現在月裡面正在射算,如果能到1500億更好,就是說我覺得這也是一個政府的態度,如果政府也一樣出來之後,那未來如果再對於這些用電比較多的也用它的這個價格做一些的話,我覺得這個一般老百姓的接受度上會來得比較好一些。\n\n13\n00:04:46,304 --> 00:04:58,132\n再來我也請教,剛剛也提到用電大戶的部分如果我們不做一些處理的話其實不合理你看幾乎我們之前都還撥補夠了以後這個整個電價才到了3.95那如果沒有算這個撥補的錢其實成本等於4.17\n\n14\n00:05:05,556 --> 00:05:21,761\n幾乎你看我們特高壓這一塊也很多的半導體產業基本上這幾年的獲利狀況都相當不錯那確實它卻占到了我們34%的一個售電的部分那等於一塊錢幾乎是700戶這些701戶的用掉了793億度的電占34%那如果它沒有去合理的調整這些的話等於由人民來負擔我認為這個確實也不公平\n\n15\n00:05:32,424 --> 00:05:53,750\n我也認為他們也應該也願意來承擔這個要不然你電明明成本就這麼高卻要由國家來補貼你所以部長這個方向是我們都會一起來做委員的意見都會一起來評估拿給審議會來做參考那另外一個當然大家關切的是他對於民生的一個影響包括像現在的CPI的部分到\n\n16\n00:05:56,091 --> 00:06:23,431\n1.85那大家預估如果漲10%的話大概會再增加0.12那大概到2左右那我先問一下部長2這樣的數字的話對在全球跟台灣來看來是一個什麼樣的數字2%事實上對全世界來講相對還是比較穩定的一個情形所以政府一直有在注意這件事情我覺得這個也要不斷的讓人民知道我們一方面在抓著國家的大的整體政策方向\n\n17\n00:06:24,953 --> 00:06:40,735\n讓電力讓台電整體永續經營但一方面對於民生物價的影響我們也很努力在關切著控制在一個好的範圍內不要造成那這件事情我也希望在未來電價審議委員會也要充分的去討論對於整個未來的民生\n\n18\n00:07:01,352 --> 00:07:11,121\n委員剛剛有問過啦假設是用這個120度以下的這個部分他如果假設是漲5%他一個月是增加9塊錢增加9塊錢對那如果是330度的部分那一個月是增加34塊錢好\n\n19\n00:07:19,209 --> 00:07:37,246\n就是我蠻希望不斷的讓外界知道因為有時候講那個趴數大家好像會也會很緊張比較不了解狀況是什麼樣但如果講那個金額的部分的話也許大家了解大概是影響層面是多大然後多少人會受到影響當然這個是它第一個另外當然是對於物價間的波動就是它會產生什麼樣影響因為有可能還有\n\n20\n00:08:05,755 --> 00:08:05,915\n賴瑞隆議員\n\n21\n00:08:24,910 --> 00:08:29,852\n都提早要停機就像剛剛講到了嘛對新北市政府大家其實對一些核電的使用還是有不同的意見他不是一個我們現在的更何況核廢料更何況核安的部分安全的部分是一個最大的關切點而且他只是把相關的成本沒有並沒有那個如果把那些成本大量算進來恐怕他一付出大概就是相當龐大的都要一起\n\n22\n00:08:49,099 --> 00:09:05,861\n所以我覺得這一塊應該不是這一個那綠電的部分我導師也要再提一下我覺得2023年的時候台灣的再生能源總發電268億度這是一個很很不錯的一個成就這幾年來大家努力來推展那我也希望部長也希望\n\n23\n00:09:06,882 --> 00:09:15,991\n大家都要不斷的去那個綠電是一個趨勢也是一個方向其實大電力用戶一直希望我們那個再生能源再增加因為他們未來到2030年的時候這個需要的這個綠電增加的非常多\n\n24\n00:09:21,596 --> 00:09:21,756\n謝謝部長辛苦謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5250\t6354\t謝謝主席 請往往部長\n12828\t32894\t部長辛苦了我想還是要先從這個這20年來其實台灣在進行一個能源政策的一個轉型當然我們核能我們希望降低這個非核價也是大家草野的共識也到立到了法裡面包括我們看到合一合二的光執政的國民黨的這個地方政府也是在\n33595\t33615\t韓國瑜\n49497\t79497\t⋯⋯⋯\n79517\t80658\t對台灣的未來其實不是一件好事情\n95891\t119669\t那我們來看一下現在台電包括我們遇到了什麼樣的一個問題其實最關鍵的你看這個電價過去以來其實在國民黨時代一樣有漲有跌都有但是民黨政府的時代其實也是但是這樣努力在控制剛剛部長的報告裡也有提到但是現在遇到的最大的一個大概就是這二屋戰爭包括部長的報告裡面的結論也提到了\n120029\t149100\t而物戰爭造成了這個國際的燃料價格暴漲這個還是虧損主因虧損主因那所以政府這段時間也做了很多的一些撥補那臺電是國營事業臺電虧損就是國家虧損就是老百姓整整體的虧損所以這個問題當然我們要去面對解決我們也不能夠讓臺電持續的虧損那當這個價格原料取得價格跟整個售出有這樣的一個落差的時候當然要適度不然對於\n150621\t152382\t是,我們這個相關的部分都會一起整體來做考量\n176853\t202487\t那我也看到你的報告裡面其實也提到了其實我看到你甚至於反映成本是你的一個關鍵性的因素我們來看一下其實在台灣的這個電價的部分其實跟其他世界各國比不管是住宅、工業其實都算是相當控制在一個比較低的狀況所以看到出來其實政府的一個努力希望控制那但是確實是因為整個戰爭的衝突造成價格的漲了之後\n204728\t223526\t那虧損確實也造成了一定的影響那台電很努力啦我就認為努力我們持續的爭取了撥補那我第一個也想問啦因為部長的報告裡也提到你的結論第一點將優先來爭取政府的補助是那部長這個有沒有提出請求了有有我們有跟院長請求多少的金額1000億還是1500億\n226387\t250558\t這個部分院裡面在涉算那部長你提出來就總是讓大家知道就是說因為接下來要處理的是電價審議了那審議在談這件事情總是先看到政府在這件事情的決心嘛在我的角度上面我認為比較賺錢的或者是高這個應該由他們來補啦你不應該由國家來幫你出這個錢但是對於民生甚至有可能會造成物價波動的這一塊應該由國家再多幫點忙\n251378\t262391\t我認為國家在撥補是在補這一塊補民生、補一般的小老百姓可能會影響到甚至物價的波動的那這一塊部長這一塊我們政府做什麼努力至少超過一千億的爭取吧\n263762\t284883\t是,我們是希望有1000億以上的爭取,那現在月裡面正在射算,如果能到1500億更好,就是說我覺得這也是一個政府的態度,如果政府也一樣出來之後,那未來如果再對於這些用電比較多的也用它的這個價格做一些的話,我覺得這個一般老百姓的接受度上會來得比較好一些。\n286304\t298132\t再來我也請教,剛剛也提到用電大戶的部分如果我們不做一些處理的話其實不合理你看幾乎我們之前都還撥補夠了以後這個整個電價才到了3.95那如果沒有算這個撥補的錢其實成本等於4.17\n305556\t321761\t幾乎你看我們特高壓這一塊也很多的半導體產業基本上這幾年的獲利狀況都相當不錯那確實它卻占到了我們34%的一個售電的部分那等於一塊錢幾乎是700戶這些701戶的用掉了793億度的電占34%那如果它沒有去合理的調整這些的話等於由人民來負擔我認為這個確實也不公平\n332424\t353750\t我也認為他們也應該也願意來承擔這個要不然你電明明成本就這麼高卻要由國家來補貼你所以部長這個方向是我們都會一起來做委員的意見都會一起來評估拿給審議會來做參考那另外一個當然大家關切的是他對於民生的一個影響包括像現在的CPI的部分到\n356091\t383431\t1.85那大家預估如果漲10%的話大概會再增加0.12那大概到2左右那我先問一下部長2這樣的數字的話對在全球跟台灣來看來是一個什麼樣的數字2%事實上對全世界來講相對還是比較穩定的一個情形所以政府一直有在注意這件事情我覺得這個也要不斷的讓人民知道我們一方面在抓著國家的大的整體政策方向\n384953\t400735\t讓電力讓台電整體永續經營但一方面對於民生物價的影響我們也很努力在關切著控制在一個好的範圍內不要造成那這件事情我也希望在未來電價審議委員會也要充分的去討論對於整個未來的民生\n401015\t420811\t⋯⋯⋯⋯\n421352\t431121\t委員剛剛有問過啦假設是用這個120度以下的這個部分他如果假設是漲5%他一個月是增加9塊錢增加9塊錢對那如果是330度的部分那一個月是增加34塊錢好\n439209\t457246\t就是我蠻希望不斷的讓外界知道因為有時候講那個趴數大家好像會也會很緊張比較不了解狀況是什麼樣但如果講那個金額的部分的話也許大家了解大概是影響層面是多大然後多少人會受到影響當然這個是它第一個另外當然是對於物價間的波動就是它會產生什麼樣影響因為有可能還有\n457466\t485401\t⋯⋯⋯⋯\n485755\t485915\t賴瑞隆議員\n504910\t509852\t都提早要停機就像剛剛講到了嘛對新北市政府大家其實對一些核電的使用還是有不同的意見他不是一個我們現在的更何況核廢料更何況核安的部分安全的部分是一個最大的關切點而且他只是把相關的成本沒有並沒有那個如果把那些成本大量算進來恐怕他一付出大概就是相當龐大的都要一起\n529099\t545861\t所以我覺得這一塊應該不是這一個那綠電的部分我導師也要再提一下我覺得2023年的時候台灣的再生能源總發電268億度這是一個很很不錯的一個成就這幾年來大家努力來推展那我也希望部長也希望\n546882\t555991\t大家都要不斷的去那個綠電是一個趨勢也是一個方向其實大電力用戶一直希望我們那個再生能源再增加因為他們未來到2030年的時候這個需要的這個綠電增加的非常多\n561596\t561756\t謝謝部長 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請往往部長\n部長辛苦了我想還是要先從這個這20年來其實台灣在進行一個能源政策的一個轉型當然我們核能我們希望降低這個非核價也是大家草野的共識也到立到了法裡面包括我們看到合一合二的光執政的國民黨的這個地方政府也是在\n韓國瑜\n⋯⋯⋯\n對台灣的未來其實不是一件好事情\n那我們來看一下現在台電包括我們遇到了什麼樣的一個問題其實最關鍵的你看這個電價過去以來其實在國民黨時代一樣有漲有跌都有但是民黨政府的時代其實也是但是這樣努力在控制剛剛部長的報告裡也有提到但是現在遇到的最大的一個大概就是這二屋戰爭包括部長的報告裡面的結論也提到了\n而物戰爭造成了這個國際的燃料價格暴漲這個還是虧損主因虧損主因那所以政府這段時間也做了很多的一些撥補那臺電是國營事業臺電虧損就是國家虧損就是老百姓整整體的虧損所以這個問題當然我們要去面對解決我們也不能夠讓臺電持續的虧損那當這個價格原料取得價格跟整個售出有這樣的一個落差的時候當然要適度不然對於\n是,我們這個相關的部分都會一起整體來做考量\n那我也看到你的報告裡面其實也提到了其實我看到你甚至於反映成本是你的一個關鍵性的因素我們來看一下其實在台灣的這個電價的部分其實跟其他世界各國比不管是住宅、工業其實都算是相當控制在一個比較低的狀況所以看到出來其實政府的一個努力希望控制那但是確實是因為整個戰爭的衝突造成價格的漲了之後\n那虧損確實也造成了一定的影響那台電很努力啦我就認為努力我們持續的爭取了撥補那我第一個也想問啦因為部長的報告裡也提到你的結論第一點將優先來爭取政府的補助是那部長這個有沒有提出請求了有有我們有跟院長請求多少的金額1000億還是1500億\n這個部分院裡面在涉算那部長你提出來就總是讓大家知道就是說因為接下來要處理的是電價審議了那審議在談這件事情總是先看到政府在這件事情的決心嘛在我的角度上面我認為比較賺錢的或者是高這個應該由他們來補啦你不應該由國家來幫你出這個錢但是對於民生甚至有可能會造成物價波動的這一塊應該由國家再多幫點忙\n我認為國家在撥補是在補這一塊補民生、補一般的小老百姓可能會影響到甚至物價的波動的那這一塊部長這一塊我們政府做什麼努力至少超過一千億的爭取吧\n是,我們是希望有1000億以上的爭取,那現在月裡面正在射算,如果能到1500億更好,就是說我覺得這也是一個政府的態度,如果政府也一樣出來之後,那未來如果再對於這些用電比較多的也用它的這個價格做一些的話,我覺得這個一般老百姓的接受度上會來得比較好一些。\n再來我也請教,剛剛也提到用電大戶的部分如果我們不做一些處理的話其實不合理你看幾乎我們之前都還撥補夠了以後這個整個電價才到了3.95那如果沒有算這個撥補的錢其實成本等於4.17\n幾乎你看我們特高壓這一塊也很多的半導體產業基本上這幾年的獲利狀況都相當不錯那確實它卻占到了我們34%的一個售電的部分那等於一塊錢幾乎是700戶這些701戶的用掉了793億度的電占34%那如果它沒有去合理的調整這些的話等於由人民來負擔我認為這個確實也不公平\n我也認為他們也應該也願意來承擔這個要不然你電明明成本就這麼高卻要由國家來補貼你所以部長這個方向是我們都會一起來做委員的意見都會一起來評估拿給審議會來做參考那另外一個當然大家關切的是他對於民生的一個影響包括像現在的CPI的部分到\n1.85那大家預估如果漲10%的話大概會再增加0.12那大概到2左右那我先問一下部長2這樣的數字的話對在全球跟台灣來看來是一個什麼樣的數字2%事實上對全世界來講相對還是比較穩定的一個情形所以政府一直有在注意這件事情我覺得這個也要不斷的讓人民知道我們一方面在抓著國家的大的整體政策方向\n讓電力讓台電整體永續經營但一方面對於民生物價的影響我們也很努力在關切著控制在一個好的範圍內不要造成那這件事情我也希望在未來電價審議委員會也要充分的去討論對於整個未來的民生\n⋯⋯⋯⋯\n委員剛剛有問過啦假設是用這個120度以下的這個部分他如果假設是漲5%他一個月是增加9塊錢增加9塊錢對那如果是330度的部分那一個月是增加34塊錢好\n就是我蠻希望不斷的讓外界知道因為有時候講那個趴數大家好像會也會很緊張比較不了解狀況是什麼樣但如果講那個金額的部分的話也許大家了解大概是影響層面是多大然後多少人會受到影響當然這個是它第一個另外當然是對於物價間的波動就是它會產生什麼樣影響因為有可能還有\n⋯⋯⋯⋯\n賴瑞隆議員\n都提早要停機就像剛剛講到了嘛對新北市政府大家其實對一些核電的使用還是有不同的意見他不是一個我們現在的更何況核廢料更何況核安的部分安全的部分是一個最大的關切點而且他只是把相關的成本沒有並沒有那個如果把那些成本大量算進來恐怕他一付出大概就是相當龐大的都要一起\n所以我覺得這一塊應該不是這一個那綠電的部分我導師也要再提一下我覺得2023年的時候台灣的再生能源總發電268億度這是一個很很不錯的一個成就這幾年來大家努力來推展那我也希望部長也希望\n大家都要不斷的去那個綠電是一個趨勢也是一個方向其實大電力用戶一直希望我們那個再生能源再增加因為他們未來到2030年的時候這個需要的這個綠電增加的非常多\n謝謝部長 辛苦 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.250 --> 00:06.354\n謝謝主席請往往部長\n\n00:12.828 --> 00:32.894\n部長辛苦了我想還是要先從這個這20年來其實台灣在進行一個能源政策的一個轉型當然我們核能我們希望降低這個非核價也是大家草野的共識也到立到了法裡面包括我們看到合一合二的光執政的國民黨的這個地方政府也是在\n\n00:33.595 --> 00:33.615\n韓國瑜\n\n01:19.517 --> 01:20.658\n對台灣的未來其實不是一件好事情\n\n01:35.891 --> 01:59.669\n那我們來看一下現在台電包括我們遇到了什麼樣的一個問題其實最關鍵的你看這個電價過去以來其實在國民黨時代一樣有漲有跌都有但是民黨政府的時代其實也是但是這樣努力在控制剛剛部長的報告裡也有提到但是現在遇到的最大的一個大概就是這二屋戰爭包括部長的報告裡面的結論也提到了\n\n02:00.029 --> 02:29.100\n而物戰爭造成了這個國際的燃料價格暴漲這個還是虧損主因虧損主因那所以政府這段時間也做了很多的一些撥補那臺電是國營事業臺電虧損就是國家虧損就是老百姓整整體的虧損所以這個問題當然我們要去面對解決我們也不能夠讓臺電持續的虧損那當這個價格原料取得價格跟整個售出有這樣的一個落差的時候當然要適度不然對於\n\n02:30.621 --> 02:32.382\n是,我們這個相關的部分都會一起整體來做考量\n\n02:56.853 --> 03:22.487\n那我也看到你的報告裡面其實也提到了其實我看到你甚至於反映成本是你的一個關鍵性的因素我們來看一下其實在台灣的這個電價的部分其實跟其他世界各國比不管是住宅、工業其實都算是相當控制在一個比較低的狀況所以看到出來其實政府的一個努力希望控制那但是確實是因為整個戰爭的衝突造成價格的漲了之後\n\n03:24.728 --> 03:43.526\n那虧損確實也造成了一定的影響那台電很努力啦我就認為努力我們持續的爭取了撥補那我第一個也想問啦因為部長的報告裡也提到你的結論第一點將優先來爭取政府的補助是那部長這個有沒有提出請求了有有我們有跟院長請求多少的金額1000億還是1500億\n\n03:46.387 --> 04:10.558\n這個部分院裡面在涉算那部長你提出來就總是讓大家知道就是說因為接下來要處理的是電價審議了那審議在談這件事情總是先看到政府在這件事情的決心嘛在我的角度上面我認為比較賺錢的或者是高這個應該由他們來補啦你不應該由國家來幫你出這個錢但是對於民生甚至有可能會造成物價波動的這一塊應該由國家再多幫點忙\n\n04:11.378 --> 04:22.391\n我認為國家在撥補是在補這一塊補民生、補一般的小老百姓可能會影響到甚至物價的波動的那這一塊部長這一塊我們政府做什麼努力至少超過一千億的爭取吧\n\n04:23.762 --> 04:44.883\n是,我們是希望有1000億以上的爭取,那現在月裡面正在射算,如果能到1500億更好,就是說我覺得這也是一個政府的態度,如果政府也一樣出來之後,那未來如果再對於這些用電比較多的也用它的這個價格做一些的話,我覺得這個一般老百姓的接受度上會來得比較好一些。\n\n04:46.304 --> 04:58.132\n再來我也請教,剛剛也提到用電大戶的部分如果我們不做一些處理的話其實不合理你看幾乎我們之前都還撥補夠了以後這個整個電價才到了3.95那如果沒有算這個撥補的錢其實成本等於4.17\n\n05:05.556 --> 05:21.761\n幾乎你看我們特高壓這一塊也很多的半導體產業基本上這幾年的獲利狀況都相當不錯那確實它卻占到了我們34%的一個售電的部分那等於一塊錢幾乎是700戶這些701戶的用掉了793億度的電占34%那如果它沒有去合理的調整這些的話等於由人民來負擔我認為這個確實也不公平\n\n05:32.424 --> 05:53.750\n我也認為他們也應該也願意來承擔這個要不然你電明明成本就這麼高卻要由國家來補貼你所以部長這個方向是我們都會一起來做委員的意見都會一起來評估拿給審議會來做參考那另外一個當然大家關切的是他對於民生的一個影響包括像現在的CPI的部分到\n\n05:56.091 --> 06:23.431\n1.85那大家預估如果漲10%的話大概會再增加0.12那大概到2左右那我先問一下部長2這樣的數字的話對在全球跟台灣來看來是一個什麼樣的數字2%事實上對全世界來講相對還是比較穩定的一個情形所以政府一直有在注意這件事情我覺得這個也要不斷的讓人民知道我們一方面在抓著國家的大的整體政策方向\n\n06:24.953 --> 06:40.735\n讓電力讓台電整體永續經營但一方面對於民生物價的影響我們也很努力在關切著控制在一個好的範圍內不要造成那這件事情我也希望在未來電價審議委員會也要充分的去討論對於整個未來的民生\n\n07:01.352 --> 07:11.121\n委員剛剛有問過啦假設是用這個120度以下的這個部分他如果假設是漲5%他一個月是增加9塊錢增加9塊錢對那如果是330度的部分那一個月是增加34塊錢好\n\n07:19.209 --> 07:37.246\n就是我蠻希望不斷的讓外界知道因為有時候講那個趴數大家好像會也會很緊張比較不了解狀況是什麼樣但如果講那個金額的部分的話也許大家了解大概是影響層面是多大然後多少人會受到影響當然這個是它第一個另外當然是對於物價間的波動就是它會產生什麼樣影響因為有可能還有\n\n08:05.755 --> 08:05.915\n賴瑞隆議員\n\n08:24.910 --> 08:29.852\n都提早要停機就像剛剛講到了嘛對新北市政府大家其實對一些核電的使用還是有不同的意見他不是一個我們現在的更何況核廢料更何況核安的部分安全的部分是一個最大的關切點而且他只是把相關的成本沒有並沒有那個如果把那些成本大量算進來恐怕他一付出大概就是相當龐大的都要一起\n\n08:49.099 --> 09:05.861\n所以我覺得這一塊應該不是這一個那綠電的部分我導師也要再提一下我覺得2023年的時候台灣的再生能源總發電268億度這是一個很很不錯的一個成就這幾年來大家努力來推展那我也希望部長也希望\n\n09:06.882 --> 09:15.991\n大家都要不斷的去那個綠電是一個趨勢也是一個方向其實大電力用戶一直希望我們那個再生能源再增加因為他們未來到2030年的時候這個需要的這個綠電增加的非常多\n\n09:21.596 --> 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