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00:02:41,564\n大家都認為說那個國高中的話因為要升學所以就讓他們好好念書可是現在的觀念因為多元教學的一個情況已經改變了所以故宮為了處理這一塊的話所以我們成立了兒童暨青少年事務的推動執行委員會\n\n7\n00:02:42,585 --> 00:02:42,685\n﹝講解講解﹞\n\n8\n00:03:03,670 --> 00:03:03,830\n陳培瑜\n\n9\n00:03:26,493 --> 00:03:26,533\n﹚陳培瑜\n\n10\n00:03:44,304 --> 00:04:10,632\n尤其剛剛院長您講到那個親資會我就要跟您請教我們之前在去年的質詢就已經跟院長請教過關於親資會委員成員的組成其實是大大的有問題當時院長您給我的回答是說你們可能認為兒童或者是國小生沒有辦法在這樣的場合上適當的發言甚至可能聽不懂你們在說的事情當時您這樣的回答我不知道你記不記得可是讓我印象非常深刻\n\n11\n00:04:11,392 --> 00:04:27,471\n當時你就承諾我們說第4屆親資會的委員的聘任程序你們會做一個調整我們看到今天簡報裡面說克正辦理但是我很好奇你們目前的克正辦理真的把我們之前所提醒的關於未滿18歲兒童這個部分也一起納入了嗎\n\n12\n00:04:28,573 --> 00:04:48,662\n根委員報告未滿18歲的是有納入但是兒童沒有納入因為基本上來講的話我們經過評估就是說如果是納入兒童的話的確兒童在整個運作方面的話可能是沒有辦法好院長那我有知道我有答案你剛剛說沒有納入\n\n13\n00:04:48,882 --> 00:04:49,342\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n14\n00:05:13,470 --> 00:05:18,035\n當作樣板我覺得這樣的話就沒有必要我覺得院長剛講到一個關鍵如果孩子們沒有適當的訓練跟學習卻是放進會議當中真的很有可能變成樣板而且我們也要必須承認目前確實很多行政機關會把小孩當成樣板但是如果經過適當的訓練跟討論跟學習\n\n15\n00:05:32,569 --> 00:05:54,819\n其實很多兒少參與在公共行政事務上院長你一定不知道有非常非常多兒少在各個領域各個行政機關的互動其實都已經有很好的表現甚至目前很多大人們的政策都是來自這些未滿18歲的包含12歲以上的兒童或者是國小端也都有我想要再次跟院長做善意的提醒我國當時有簽署CRC兒童權利公約\n\n16\n00:05:57,900 --> 00:06:20,199\n並且我們在2014年台灣已經通過兒童權利公約施行法這裡面提到一個很重要的精神什麼叫兒少表意權並不是說讓他在場合說說話就好這個表意權背後一個非常重要精神就是兒少他可以並且就影響他本身的事物表達他的意見跟權利而且是自由的表達\n\n17\n00:06:20,939 --> 00:06:44,909\n因此這個參與我們必須要說真的非常非常的重要當然可能在院長您過去的學術訓練或者是在您的生命經驗當中你可能沒有經驗過類似跟兒少溝通的經驗所以我可以接受你們說你們只是會議討論你們沒有檢討報告也沒有評估報告那是不是可以讓我們進一步的要求你們可不可以再次去評估甚至你們可能都還沒有邀請過相關兒少來開會\n\n18\n00:06:46,650 --> 00:07:09,596\n你們就認定沒有這個可能性我覺得這個是大大的打了台灣自己都簽了兒童權利公約國內實行法一個很大的巴掌我必須要說這個是大大的走人權的倒退之路所以拜託故宮我覺得在這件事情上一定要積極的進行這件事情如果你們真的沒有相關的經驗也很歡迎故宮的同仁之後有機會到我們辦公室來討論跟把這個題目往下追\n\n19\n00:07:13,857 --> 00:07:37,426\n因為我覺得有非常非常多優秀的兒童一定很願意參與故宮非常多的規劃跟討論最後一個關於百年大展我們之前也跟院長您請教過我們從10月份我們從9月份呢院長您來我們辦公室來拜會我們就跟你們提過10月26號的質詢也跟您說過故宮的百年大展必須要有公共化在地化專業化多元化跟國際化跟年輕化\n\n20\n00:07:38,166 --> 00:08:00,544\n到11月29日預算提案的時候當時我們辦公室決定我們可以接受以預算組決議的方法會通過所以我們期待故宮會遵照辦理可是我們看到1月份的給我們的回覆我整個就是傻眼就是像這個梗圖一樣傻眼到想說為什麼經過三四個月還是一樣的東西不知道院長您手上有沒有你的同仁給我這個回文就在這裡就這樣兩張\n\n21\n00:08:02,566 --> 00:08:24,862\n然後只是告訴我們開了三次會議可是對於會議的內容或者是具體的規劃所謂專業公共在地年輕國際多元這件事情到底故宮的想像是什麼我覺得大家都會非常非常期待看到當然因為今天時間有限而且我猜想故宮可能還有很多事情正在進行討論那如果沒有保密的需求沒有\n\n22\n00:08:25,382 --> 00:08:47,999\n不能先讓大家知道的可能性我們可不可以簡單請院長說明一下包括你們在書面報告中提到何謂故宮100還有要出國策展的故宮文物百選又是什麼相關的說行銷跟宣傳企劃又是什麼百年大展策展內容為什麼我們要這麼積極談這件事情不知道院長您知不知道這兩天在網路上大家瘋狂搶的一個票是什麼\n\n23\n00:08:54,833 --> 00:09:15,829\n請美,請美就是香港故宮那個展覽移過來展我要說的是其實年輕人沒有不看展喔其實年輕人很願意走進博物館看展走進美術館但是我們辦的展有沒有足夠的吸引力吸引他們我覺得這個是一個很重要的事情那故宮百年這件事情大家所期待的不是看到一個\n\n24\n00:09:16,990 --> 00:09:42,167\n老舊的成科的故宮然後只是在把展做一個輪替但是到底我們背後的精神如何跟年輕人對話如何把專業化的精神也呈現出來從此呈現多元國際化公共化在地化其實尤其在地化也非常多立法會有提到還有關於國際化所以這個部分是不是之後我們可以更加期待故宮的報告因為看起來在今天的書面報告還有剛剛非常多委員的質詢裡面其實我們都看不到\n\n25\n00:09:42,987 --> 00:09:43,387\n拜年大展期待落空\n\n26\n00:10:00,765 --> 00:10:20,880\n應該不會來,因為跟委員報告一下就是說那個100年的話我們從那個館史然後從那個人物的專訪然後大四季然後一直到展覽的策劃包括文獻商品的規劃基本上來講都在討論之中那這個部分的話當然就是沒有錯我們沒有\n\n27\n00:10:21,701 --> 00:10:21,981\n謝謝主席謝謝院長謝謝委員謝謝教委\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2869\t31805\t謝謝主席那有請院長好院長不好意思我還是感冒有點嚴重請允許我戴著口罩謝謝院長謝謝主席好院長早安早那之前其實有非常多題目都跟院長討論過那我們今天蠻多事情的第一個是其實故宮近年來有非常多的計畫讓故宮不只是一個在山上的博物館做了非常多包含百萬學子擁有博物館包含故宮遊藝司還有移動博物館的教具箱\n32005\t53899\t獲獲獲獲\n53939\t76114\t孩子們目前在學校遇到還有老師們在學校遇到教學的困境我想要跟院長分享108的素養導向課程和新的目標是希望老師可以協助學生發掘問題找到自己不足的地方然後嘗試解決問題這是所謂的素養課程那素養裡面絕對不會只有從學校從課本上來有更多必須從社會環境還有文化環境當中來\n77915\t94354\t姑公有移動博物館教具商這個活動可是我們看到相關計畫都只有局限在國中國小有沒有機會可以繼續開發內容讓他延伸到高中甚至是幼兒園擴大故宮的影響力這是第一個部分第二個我剛說其實學校老師還有\n95896\t102978\t高中生國中生國小生他們都很需要認識故宮因為培養年輕的觀眾絕對是故宮很重要的任務所以有沒有機會協助老師辦理增能的課程或者是把相關展覽的內容結合你們有熟悉的學校課程然後讓老師跟讓學生可以在故宮專業的協助下讓他們在學校課程更加豐富\n119864\t144251\t甚至走進故宮參觀所有的展覽之前孩子們老師們都是已經帶著準備好的現備知識走進故宮不知道這個部分院長您個人的看法是什麼的確那個因為故宮就像個大醫院什麼都要做從那個老的到少的中間的話的確就是青少年的部分我們過去不只是故宮所有的博物館都漏掉了因為\n145171\t161564\t大家都認為說那個國高中的話因為要升學所以就讓他們好好念書可是現在的觀念因為多元教學的一個情況已經改變了所以故宮為了處理這一塊的話所以我們成立了兒童暨青少年事務的推動執行委員會\n162585\t162685\t﹝講解講解﹞\n183670\t183830\t陳培瑜\n206493\t206533\t﹚陳培瑜\n224304\t250632\t尤其剛剛院長您講到那個親資會我就要跟您請教我們之前在去年的質詢就已經跟院長請教過關於親資會委員成員的組成其實是大大的有問題當時院長您給我的回答是說你們可能認為兒童或者是國小生沒有辦法在這樣的場合上適當的發言甚至可能聽不懂你們在說的事情當時您這樣的回答我不知道你記不記得可是讓我印象非常深刻\n251392\t267471\t當時你就承諾我們說第4屆親資會的委員的聘任程序你們會做一個調整我們看到今天簡報裡面說克正辦理但是我很好奇你們目前的克正辦理真的把我們之前所提醒的關於未滿18歲兒童這個部分也一起納入了嗎\n268573\t288662\t根委員報告未滿18歲的是有納入但是兒童沒有納入因為基本上來講的話我們經過評估就是說如果是納入兒童的話的確兒童在整個運作方面的話可能是沒有辦法好院長那我有知道我有答案你剛剛說沒有納入\n288882\t289342\t新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n313470\t318035\t當作樣板我覺得這樣的話就沒有必要我覺得院長剛講到一個關鍵如果孩子們沒有適當的訓練跟學習卻是放進會議當中真的很有可能變成樣板而且我們也要必須承認目前確實很多行政機關會把小孩當成樣板但是如果經過適當的訓練跟討論跟學習\n332569\t354819\t其實很多兒少參與在公共行政事務上院長你一定不知道有非常非常多兒少在各個領域各個行政機關的互動其實都已經有很好的表現甚至目前很多大人們的政策都是來自這些未滿18歲的包含12歲以上的兒童或者是國小端也都有我想要再次跟院長做善意的提醒我國當時有簽署CRC兒童權利公約\n357900\t380199\t並且我們在2014年台灣已經通過兒童權利公約施行法這裡面提到一個很重要的精神什麼叫兒少表意權並不是說讓他在場合說說話就好這個表意權背後一個非常重要精神就是兒少他可以並且就影響他本身的事物表達他的意見跟權利而且是自由的表達\n380939\t404909\t因此這個參與我們必須要說真的非常非常的重要當然可能在院長您過去的學術訓練或者是在您的生命經驗當中你可能沒有經驗過類似跟兒少溝通的經驗所以我可以接受你們說你們只是會議討論你們沒有檢討報告也沒有評估報告那是不是可以讓我們進一步的要求你們可不可以再次去評估甚至你們可能都還沒有邀請過相關兒少來開會\n406650\t429596\t你們就認定沒有這個可能性我覺得這個是大大的打了台灣自己都簽了兒童權利公約國內實行法一個很大的巴掌我必須要說這個是大大的走人權的倒退之路所以拜託故宮我覺得在這件事情上一定要積極的進行這件事情如果你們真的沒有相關的經驗也很歡迎故宮的同仁之後有機會到我們辦公室來討論跟把這個題目往下追\n433857\t457426\t因為我覺得有非常非常多優秀的兒童一定很願意參與故宮非常多的規劃跟討論最後一個關於百年大展我們之前也跟院長您請教過我們從10月份我們從9月份呢院長您來我們辦公室來拜會我們就跟你們提過10月26號的質詢也跟您說過故宮的百年大展必須要有公共化在地化專業化多元化跟國際化跟年輕化\n458166\t480544\t到11月29日預算提案的時候當時我們辦公室決定我們可以接受以預算組決議的方法會通過所以我們期待故宮會遵照辦理可是我們看到1月份的給我們的回覆我整個就是傻眼就是像這個梗圖一樣傻眼到想說為什麼經過三四個月還是一樣的東西不知道院長您手上有沒有你的同仁給我這個回文就在這裡就這樣兩張\n482566\t504862\t然後只是告訴我們開了三次會議可是對於會議的內容或者是具體的規劃所謂專業公共在地年輕國際多元這件事情到底故宮的想像是什麼我覺得大家都會非常非常期待看到當然因為今天時間有限而且我猜想故宮可能還有很多事情正在進行討論那如果沒有保密的需求沒有\n505382\t527999\t不能先讓大家知道的可能性我們可不可以簡單請院長說明一下包括你們在書面報告中提到何謂故宮100還有要出國策展的故宮文物百選又是什麼相關的說行銷跟宣傳企劃又是什麼百年大展策展內容為什麼我們要這麼積極談這件事情不知道院長您知不知道這兩天在網路上大家瘋狂搶的一個票是什麼\n534833\t555829\t請美,請美就是香港故宮那個展覽移過來展我要說的是其實年輕人沒有不看展喔其實年輕人很願意走進博物館看展走進美術館但是我們辦的展有沒有足夠的吸引力吸引他們我覺得這個是一個很重要的事情那故宮百年這件事情大家所期待的不是看到一個\n556990\t582167\t老舊的成科的故宮然後只是在把展做一個輪替但是到底我們背後的精神如何跟年輕人對話如何把專業化的精神也呈現出來從此呈現多元國際化公共化在地化其實尤其在地化也非常多立法會有提到還有關於國際化所以這個部分是不是之後我們可以更加期待故宮的報告因為看起來在今天的書面報告還有剛剛非常多委員的質詢裡面其實我們都看不到\n582987\t583387\t拜年大展期待落空\n600765\t620880\t應該不會來,因為跟委員報告一下就是說那個100年的話我們從那個館史然後從那個人物的專訪然後大四季然後一直到展覽的策劃包括文獻商品的規劃基本上來講都在討論之中那這個部分的話當然就是沒有錯我們沒有\n621701\t621981\t謝謝主席 謝謝院長謝謝委員 謝謝教委\n","txt":"謝謝主席那有請院長好院長不好意思我還是感冒有點嚴重請允許我戴著口罩謝謝院長謝謝主席好院長早安早那之前其實有非常多題目都跟院長討論過那我們今天蠻多事情的第一個是其實故宮近年來有非常多的計畫讓故宮不只是一個在山上的博物館做了非常多包含百萬學子擁有博物館包含故宮遊藝司還有移動博物館的教具箱\n獲獲獲獲\n孩子們目前在學校遇到還有老師們在學校遇到教學的困境我想要跟院長分享108的素養導向課程和新的目標是希望老師可以協助學生發掘問題找到自己不足的地方然後嘗試解決問題這是所謂的素養課程那素養裡面絕對不會只有從學校從課本上來有更多必須從社會環境還有文化環境當中來\n姑公有移動博物館教具商這個活動可是我們看到相關計畫都只有局限在國中國小有沒有機會可以繼續開發內容讓他延伸到高中甚至是幼兒園擴大故宮的影響力這是第一個部分第二個我剛說其實學校老師還有\n高中生國中生國小生他們都很需要認識故宮因為培養年輕的觀眾絕對是故宮很重要的任務所以有沒有機會協助老師辦理增能的課程或者是把相關展覽的內容結合你們有熟悉的學校課程然後讓老師跟讓學生可以在故宮專業的協助下讓他們在學校課程更加豐富\n甚至走進故宮參觀所有的展覽之前孩子們老師們都是已經帶著準備好的現備知識走進故宮不知道這個部分院長您個人的看法是什麼的確那個因為故宮就像個大醫院什麼都要做從那個老的到少的中間的話的確就是青少年的部分我們過去不只是故宮所有的博物館都漏掉了因為\n大家都認為說那個國高中的話因為要升學所以就讓他們好好念書可是現在的觀念因為多元教學的一個情況已經改變了所以故宮為了處理這一塊的話所以我們成立了兒童暨青少年事務的推動執行委員會\n﹝講解講解﹞\n陳培瑜\n﹚陳培瑜\n尤其剛剛院長您講到那個親資會我就要跟您請教我們之前在去年的質詢就已經跟院長請教過關於親資會委員成員的組成其實是大大的有問題當時院長您給我的回答是說你們可能認為兒童或者是國小生沒有辦法在這樣的場合上適當的發言甚至可能聽不懂你們在說的事情當時您這樣的回答我不知道你記不記得可是讓我印象非常深刻\n當時你就承諾我們說第4屆親資會的委員的聘任程序你們會做一個調整我們看到今天簡報裡面說克正辦理但是我很好奇你們目前的克正辦理真的把我們之前所提醒的關於未滿18歲兒童這個部分也一起納入了嗎\n根委員報告未滿18歲的是有納入但是兒童沒有納入因為基本上來講的話我們經過評估就是說如果是納入兒童的話的確兒童在整個運作方面的話可能是沒有辦法好院長那我有知道我有答案你剛剛說沒有納入\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n當作樣板我覺得這樣的話就沒有必要我覺得院長剛講到一個關鍵如果孩子們沒有適當的訓練跟學習卻是放進會議當中真的很有可能變成樣板而且我們也要必須承認目前確實很多行政機關會把小孩當成樣板但是如果經過適當的訓練跟討論跟學習\n其實很多兒少參與在公共行政事務上院長你一定不知道有非常非常多兒少在各個領域各個行政機關的互動其實都已經有很好的表現甚至目前很多大人們的政策都是來自這些未滿18歲的包含12歲以上的兒童或者是國小端也都有我想要再次跟院長做善意的提醒我國當時有簽署CRC兒童權利公約\n並且我們在2014年台灣已經通過兒童權利公約施行法這裡面提到一個很重要的精神什麼叫兒少表意權並不是說讓他在場合說說話就好這個表意權背後一個非常重要精神就是兒少他可以並且就影響他本身的事物表達他的意見跟權利而且是自由的表達\n因此這個參與我們必須要說真的非常非常的重要當然可能在院長您過去的學術訓練或者是在您的生命經驗當中你可能沒有經驗過類似跟兒少溝通的經驗所以我可以接受你們說你們只是會議討論你們沒有檢討報告也沒有評估報告那是不是可以讓我們進一步的要求你們可不可以再次去評估甚至你們可能都還沒有邀請過相關兒少來開會\n你們就認定沒有這個可能性我覺得這個是大大的打了台灣自己都簽了兒童權利公約國內實行法一個很大的巴掌我必須要說這個是大大的走人權的倒退之路所以拜託故宮我覺得在這件事情上一定要積極的進行這件事情如果你們真的沒有相關的經驗也很歡迎故宮的同仁之後有機會到我們辦公室來討論跟把這個題目往下追\n因為我覺得有非常非常多優秀的兒童一定很願意參與故宮非常多的規劃跟討論最後一個關於百年大展我們之前也跟院長您請教過我們從10月份我們從9月份呢院長您來我們辦公室來拜會我們就跟你們提過10月26號的質詢也跟您說過故宮的百年大展必須要有公共化在地化專業化多元化跟國際化跟年輕化\n到11月29日預算提案的時候當時我們辦公室決定我們可以接受以預算組決議的方法會通過所以我們期待故宮會遵照辦理可是我們看到1月份的給我們的回覆我整個就是傻眼就是像這個梗圖一樣傻眼到想說為什麼經過三四個月還是一樣的東西不知道院長您手上有沒有你的同仁給我這個回文就在這裡就這樣兩張\n然後只是告訴我們開了三次會議可是對於會議的內容或者是具體的規劃所謂專業公共在地年輕國際多元這件事情到底故宮的想像是什麼我覺得大家都會非常非常期待看到當然因為今天時間有限而且我猜想故宮可能還有很多事情正在進行討論那如果沒有保密的需求沒有\n不能先讓大家知道的可能性我們可不可以簡單請院長說明一下包括你們在書面報告中提到何謂故宮100還有要出國策展的故宮文物百選又是什麼相關的說行銷跟宣傳企劃又是什麼百年大展策展內容為什麼我們要這麼積極談這件事情不知道院長您知不知道這兩天在網路上大家瘋狂搶的一個票是什麼\n請美,請美就是香港故宮那個展覽移過來展我要說的是其實年輕人沒有不看展喔其實年輕人很願意走進博物館看展走進美術館但是我們辦的展有沒有足夠的吸引力吸引他們我覺得這個是一個很重要的事情那故宮百年這件事情大家所期待的不是看到一個\n老舊的成科的故宮然後只是在把展做一個輪替但是到底我們背後的精神如何跟年輕人對話如何把專業化的精神也呈現出來從此呈現多元國際化公共化在地化其實尤其在地化也非常多立法會有提到還有關於國際化所以這個部分是不是之後我們可以更加期待故宮的報告因為看起來在今天的書面報告還有剛剛非常多委員的質詢裡面其實我們都看不到\n拜年大展期待落空\n應該不會來,因為跟委員報告一下就是說那個100年的話我們從那個館史然後從那個人物的專訪然後大四季然後一直到展覽的策劃包括文獻商品的規劃基本上來講都在討論之中那這個部分的話當然就是沒有錯我們沒有\n謝謝主席 謝謝院長謝謝委員 謝謝教委\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.869 --> 00:31.805\n謝謝主席那有請院長好院長不好意思我還是感冒有點嚴重請允許我戴著口罩謝謝院長謝謝主席好院長早安早那之前其實有非常多題目都跟院長討論過那我們今天蠻多事情的第一個是其實故宮近年來有非常多的計畫讓故宮不只是一個在山上的博物館做了非常多包含百萬學子擁有博物館包含故宮遊藝司還有移動博物館的教具箱\n\n00:53.939 --> 01:16.114\n孩子們目前在學校遇到還有老師們在學校遇到教學的困境我想要跟院長分享108的素養導向課程和新的目標是希望老師可以協助學生發掘問題找到自己不足的地方然後嘗試解決問題這是所謂的素養課程那素養裡面絕對不會只有從學校從課本上來有更多必須從社會環境還有文化環境當中來\n\n01:17.915 --> 01:34.354\n姑公有移動博物館教具商這個活動可是我們看到相關計畫都只有局限在國中國小有沒有機會可以繼續開發內容讓他延伸到高中甚至是幼兒園擴大故宮的影響力這是第一個部分第二個我剛說其實學校老師還有\n\n01:35.896 --> 01:42.978\n高中生國中生國小生他們都很需要認識故宮因為培養年輕的觀眾絕對是故宮很重要的任務所以有沒有機會協助老師辦理增能的課程或者是把相關展覽的內容結合你們有熟悉的學校課程然後讓老師跟讓學生可以在故宮專業的協助下讓他們在學校課程更加豐富\n\n01:59.864 --> 02:24.251\n甚至走進故宮參觀所有的展覽之前孩子們老師們都是已經帶著準備好的現備知識走進故宮不知道這個部分院長您個人的看法是什麼的確那個因為故宮就像個大醫院什麼都要做從那個老的到少的中間的話的確就是青少年的部分我們過去不只是故宮所有的博物館都漏掉了因為\n\n02:25.171 --> 02:41.564\n大家都認為說那個國高中的話因為要升學所以就讓他們好好念書可是現在的觀念因為多元教學的一個情況已經改變了所以故宮為了處理這一塊的話所以我們成立了兒童暨青少年事務的推動執行委員會\n\n02:42.585 --> 02:42.685\n﹝講解講解﹞\n\n03:03.670 --> 03:03.830\n陳培瑜\n\n03:26.493 --> 03:26.533\n﹚陳培瑜\n\n03:44.304 --> 04:10.632\n尤其剛剛院長您講到那個親資會我就要跟您請教我們之前在去年的質詢就已經跟院長請教過關於親資會委員成員的組成其實是大大的有問題當時院長您給我的回答是說你們可能認為兒童或者是國小生沒有辦法在這樣的場合上適當的發言甚至可能聽不懂你們在說的事情當時您這樣的回答我不知道你記不記得可是讓我印象非常深刻\n\n04:11.392 --> 04:27.471\n當時你就承諾我們說第4屆親資會的委員的聘任程序你們會做一個調整我們看到今天簡報裡面說克正辦理但是我很好奇你們目前的克正辦理真的把我們之前所提醒的關於未滿18歲兒童這個部分也一起納入了嗎\n\n04:28.573 --> 04:48.662\n根委員報告未滿18歲的是有納入但是兒童沒有納入因為基本上來講的話我們經過評估就是說如果是納入兒童的話的確兒童在整個運作方面的話可能是沒有辦法好院長那我有知道我有答案你剛剛說沒有納入\n\n04:48.882 --> 04:49.342\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n05:13.470 --> 05:18.035\n當作樣板我覺得這樣的話就沒有必要我覺得院長剛講到一個關鍵如果孩子們沒有適當的訓練跟學習卻是放進會議當中真的很有可能變成樣板而且我們也要必須承認目前確實很多行政機關會把小孩當成樣板但是如果經過適當的訓練跟討論跟學習\n\n05:32.569 --> 05:54.819\n其實很多兒少參與在公共行政事務上院長你一定不知道有非常非常多兒少在各個領域各個行政機關的互動其實都已經有很好的表現甚至目前很多大人們的政策都是來自這些未滿18歲的包含12歲以上的兒童或者是國小端也都有我想要再次跟院長做善意的提醒我國當時有簽署CRC兒童權利公約\n\n05:57.900 --> 06:20.199\n並且我們在2014年台灣已經通過兒童權利公約施行法這裡面提到一個很重要的精神什麼叫兒少表意權並不是說讓他在場合說說話就好這個表意權背後一個非常重要精神就是兒少他可以並且就影響他本身的事物表達他的意見跟權利而且是自由的表達\n\n06:20.939 --> 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