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00:00:31,361\n辛苦你了丁同學我們這個業務的一個過程齁我們都十幾幾個月而已今天做得比較舒服今天有三十幾個月但是齁今天我們看起來齁\n\n3\n00:00:43,675 --> 00:01:04,166\n我們裡面的內容都是圍繞在這個大陸對我們的這個不善意的一個對台我們內容都差不多在這樣我們也沒有說有去講到什麼要促進交流還是建立溝通的比較積極的一個作為在這裡就要給我們主委給我們主委請教一下我們應該有認同\n\n4\n00:01:13,304 --> 00:01:17,508\n兩國的往來,溝通是一件很重要的事情。我們現在對我們大陸這方面,我們陸委會現在目前對著我們這個兩岸的局勢,還有什麼比較積極的一個作為,要來增加我們兩方對話,還有什麼方式,\n\n5\n00:01:36,715 --> 00:01:40,178\n可以對等尊嚴互惠的狀況增加兩方的交流嗎?委員我剛才有向其他委員報告過其實兩方30多年來已經有很多互動的經驗及技術包括簽到26項的協議\n\n6\n00:01:59,093 --> 00:02:04,435\n那就是過去這7、8年坦白說相方也有一些個案發生後有一些處理上當然一定要互相大家當時來做改觀所以這都是一個好的經驗和善意的標託我們希望說過去的機制如果是什麼大家就才有過去的機制但是我問中國有時候因為你也知道台灣的選舉\n\n7\n00:02:25,342 --> 00:02:25,462\n委員會主席\n\n8\n00:02:39,668 --> 00:02:41,469\n這應該是都像這個溝通,我們要加強我們兩方的溝通\n\n9\n00:03:04,894 --> 00:03:09,077\n一直以為對方比較負友善來對待我們,我們總要用這個負友善的方式來擴大兩方的關係。我是希望我們可以比較積極地提出\n\n10\n00:03:22,944 --> 00:03:24,865\n我們的生意比較積極：繼續做溝通的行為我相信主動提出我們的生意：主動來支持：來提出溝通的方針我相信一定會達到好的結果不然像我們現在這樣：關係惡劣\n\n11\n00:03:50,461 --> 00:04:04,348\n受損的也是我們的財政我們主委也知道說我們現在這個不只是觀光集團還造成我們這個理行業者的很多損失聽說我們經常這個事件延伸出來也有說大陸最近廢棄我們的觀光資源去跟我們檢查\n\n12\n00:04:14,773 --> 00:04:22,536\n對,發聲後的第幾天,因為那個時候是走在他們那邊,走在他們那邊過去應該是沒有發聲過啦過去應該是沒有發聲過啦過去是我對外界去的那兩天,他們也要跟我們說還是跟我們出題啦就是說大家互相都...應該過去也沒有說會登船去檢查啦\n\n13\n00:04:42,202 --> 00:04:47,586\n有時說我給你驅趕那個意思啦報告我委員報告其實過去有啦但是大家互相都在海面上就處理到了啦所以這就是大家現在關係比較後面發生出來的問題我們民眾第一上市就衝擊我們政府也需要做一些比較具體的一個對策來解決我們民眾的問題\n\n14\n00:05:10,382 --> 00:05:16,664\n我是希望說兩方的關係,我們不要說路越走越低,包括我們台灣的一些農產品,我們的觀光、生機、海船、航空船,都去用線索而已,現在都線索而已。走這樣,大家未來的出路,會都受影響,變成是牆壁了,對啦,就請我們主委,\n\n15\n00:05:39,177 --> 00:06:02,279\n講到這個問題,我們想想看有什麼比較好的方式,我們因應民眾的利益為優先來想,找看看有什麼比較好的方式可以來解決。是是是,我們也一直在想,但是主要都是這樣,我們國家的安全和利益,基本上我們是要先顧好,這樣。\n\n16\n00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:09,302\n其實安全是很重要的,利應也很重要,這兩項是都重要的,我們自己把我們接觸到整個溝通的整個友善的原因在內,把我們收回在內,還有怎樣,我們應該就怕不出來,\n\n17\n00:06:27,108 --> 00:06:31,432\n我聽到有提起中華中教交流已經很久了,但我們陸委會每年會過年,很認真跟國內\n\n18\n00:06:46,124 --> 00:06:57,371\n我們的宗教團體有去辦一些見面會：說有請大家講講時講聽去大陸進行這個宗教交流：還有發佈新聞講大陸對我們國家宗教交流有這個統戰的因素\n\n19\n00:07:07,378 --> 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坦白說相方也有一些個案發生後有一些處理上當然一定要互相大家當時來做改觀所以這都是一個好的經驗和善意的標託我們希望說過去的機制如果是什麼大家就才有過去的機制但是我問中國有時候因為你也知道台灣的選舉\n委員會主席\n這應該是都像這個溝通,我們要加強我們兩方的溝通\n一直以為對方比較負友善來對待我們,我們總要用這個負友善的方式來擴大兩方的關係。我是希望我們可以比較積極地提出\n我們的生意比較積極：繼續做溝通的行為我相信主動提出我們的生意：主動來支持：來提出溝通的方針我相信一定會達到好的結果不然像我們現在這樣：關係惡劣\n受損的也是我們的財政我們主委也知道說我們現在這個不只是觀光集團還造成我們這個理行業者的很多損失聽說我們經常這個事件延伸出來也有說大陸最近廢棄我們的觀光資源去跟我們檢查\n對,發聲後的第幾天,因為那個時候是走在他們那邊,走在他們那邊過去應該是沒有發聲過啦過去應該是沒有發聲過啦過去是我對外界去的那兩天,他們也要跟我們說還是跟我們出題啦就是說大家互相都...應該過去也沒有說會登船去檢查啦\n有時說我給你驅趕那個意思啦報告我委員報告其實過去有啦但是大家互相都在海面上就處理到了啦所以這就是大家現在關係比較後面發生出來的問題我們民眾第一上市就衝擊我們政府也需要做一些比較具體的一個對策來解決我們民眾的問題\n我是希望說兩方的關係,我們不要說路越走越低,包括我們台灣的一些農產品,我們的觀光、生機、海船、航空船,都去用線索而已,現在都線索而已。走這樣,大家未來的出路,會都受影響,變成是牆壁了,對啦,就請我們主委,\n講到這個問題,我們想想看有什麼比較好的方式,我們因應民眾的利益為優先來想,找看看有什麼比較好的方式可以來解決。是是是,我們也一直在想,但是主要都是這樣,我們國家的安全和利益,基本上我們是要先顧好,這樣。\n其實安全是很重要的,利應也很重要,這兩項是都重要的,我們自己把我們接觸到整個溝通的整個友善的原因在內,把我們收回在內,還有怎樣,我們應該就怕不出來,\n我聽到有提起中華中教交流已經很久了,但我們陸委會每年會過年,很認真跟國內\n我們的宗教團體有去辦一些見面會：說有請大家講講時講聽去大陸進行這個宗教交流：還有發佈新聞講大陸對我們國家宗教交流有這個統戰的因素\n說有這個動作的因素,提出說要做學術、在交流、在交活動的我們國人,若沒有說很重要的,請不要期待,希望我們有去做這個動作。\n議員對於我們國民去大陸我們都會把過去發生的一些狀況提供給我們國民了解第一當然他們很多發言的修改往往就會造成一些風險我坦白跟委員講我們有人要去團搞結果被人扣棄因為你知道中國現在對宗教的控制跟要求宗教一定要中國化但是問題是有的宗教\n丁學忠委員\n事實就是信仰就是大陸人都從大陸過來比較古的信仰大國府都從大陸過來大家都會想遭遇在大陸他們會想說要回去進行一個宗教的一個交流我們在基站我們在地方基站常常都有發生這個狀況我相信啦我相信像我剛剛說的\n委員會主任委員會主席\n我相信我們陸委會是會去做這個其實我們也不要把我們的宗教交流想到什麼程度當然他們要過當然一定是經國委員會過有可能說單獨幾個要過\n總搞交流就是我們把它當作是一個… 當作是一個行名,讓一個… 讓回娘家那個概念,我們不要把它想到外面,我們想說他們回去就會被統戰,我們不要去想這樣,我算… 我是苦一生算出來,我們對人民的倫敵\n對國家的領地我非常對我們的領域都非常有自信我非常有自信 甚至我出道在芬林我出道在荷蘭我還要去哪裡有事我就隨便回家回家走地方我也是比較希望要在地方跟我們的事做好所以我們一些心態我們用比較善意的心態來擴大\n吳祁鳴\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.906 --> 00:06.488\n感謝主席我請我們的邱主委邱主委這禮拜議廷都有你臨時三天每一天讓我們委員董事將對議題都非常歡喜的討論看得出來\n\n00:25.954 --> 00:31.361\n辛苦你了丁同學我們這個業務的一個過程齁我們都十幾幾個月而已今天做得比較舒服今天有三十幾個月但是齁今天我們看起來齁\n\n00:43.675 --> 01:04.166\n我們裡面的內容都是圍繞在這個大陸對我們的這個不善意的一個對台我們內容都差不多在這樣我們也沒有說有去講到什麼要促進交流還是建立溝通的比較積極的一個作為在這裡就要給我們主委給我們主委請教一下我們應該有認同\n\n01:13.304 --> 01:17.508\n兩國的往來,溝通是一件很重要的事情。我們現在對我們大陸這方面,我們陸委會現在目前對著我們這個兩岸的局勢,還有什麼比較積極的一個作為,要來增加我們兩方對話,還有什麼方式,\n\n01:36.715 --> 01:40.178\n可以對等尊嚴互惠的狀況增加兩方的交流嗎?委員我剛才有向其他委員報告過其實兩方30多年來已經有很多互動的經驗及技術包括簽到26項的協議\n\n01:59.093 --> 02:04.435\n那就是過去這7、8年坦白說相方也有一些個案發生後有一些處理上當然一定要互相大家當時來做改觀所以這都是一個好的經驗和善意的標託我們希望說過去的機制如果是什麼大家就才有過去的機制但是我問中國有時候因為你也知道台灣的選舉\n\n02:25.342 --> 02:25.462\n委員會主席\n\n02:39.668 --> 02:41.469\n這應該是都像這個溝通,我們要加強我們兩方的溝通\n\n03:04.894 --> 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