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00:03:18,871\n反正是希望說數位發展不能夠加強那同樣的延續了剛才許多委員所提到的這個數位身分證的部分啊那數位身分證的話其實目前來講我們看到暫緩可能暫緩的部分內政部大概一直強調的是資安的問題還是數位的問題那我想問一下\n\n10\n00:03:19,591 --> 00:03:28,554\n像吳正勝主委他也直接講說這個過程中他到最後原本是10億到時候調節金額落在2.8億但事實上這是由全民買單但內政部他也強調說這都是在資安的問題他們現在也沒有辦法來去進行這個\n\n11\n00:03:41,778 --> 00:04:04,606\n我想先還原一下就是當時內政部也好或民間的這個人權團體的期待是有一個獨立的各資保護會各資保護會當然跟資安是有關的但是各資保護會是獨立的意思是說他必須來監督像我們數位部有沒有過分收集各資過分利用那現在這個部分已經成立了那所以說未來的數位身份證還要推行嗎\n\n12\n00:04:05,086 --> 00:04:27,195\n就是這個獨立的各自專責機關以及如果內政部要立一個專法這個是當時民間提的兩大條件那數位發展部支持數位身份證繼續推行嗎我們在國際評比上面我們其實已經有數位的身份證件就是自然憑證跟現在行動的自然憑證自然憑證歸自然憑證因為在目前來講有完成到這個數位身份證的國家總共有多少國家\n\n13\n00:04:27,715 --> 00:04:44,020\n我剛剛提到一百二十多國裡面包含我們喔?一百二十八國嗎?包含我們喔?但是問題是你說的是那個自然憑證對啊但是問題是數位身份證跟自然憑證是不同的阿他等於有點像自然憑證跟實際身份證這不能這不能語目混珠阿好像貼在一起這是兩卡合一這是兩碼子是兩卡合一\n\n14\n00:04:45,920 --> 00:05:05,456\n當初在數位身分證原本的構想那本來就不是用自然的品證那是一個延伸甚至加強甚至一開始還自然品證還想要再整合T-Roll還包括政府機關的資料交換還想整合駕照跟健保卡T-Roll我們有在做對那問題是這個整合的數位身分證未來還要再做推行\n\n15\n00:05:06,036 --> 00:05:07,156\n所以說這個身份證就沒有要做了\n\n16\n00:05:26,343 --> 00:05:49,367\n我們當時我在院裡擔任政委的時候當時的立場其實就是大家應該要可以自由選擇就是你裡面要有自然平正規則那所以說所以我就直接就叫部長那內政部他說是職案的問題那你那時候有擔任政務委員那你也在這個過程中曾經都介入協調那所以以現在來講數位發展部的角色就是反對再去推行數位身份證\n\n17\n00:05:50,147 --> 00:06:12,251\n剛剛提到的是說我們這邊全力支持包含獨立的各自會的設立現在還沒有那未來如果內政部要訂一個專法也得到這個獨立各自會的同意的話那個時候才有所謂要不要繼續做的問題那時候我記得在相關討論內政部曾經也說他這四五個法規的部分其實目前還可以去補充在數位身份證上面的一個運用嘛\n\n18\n00:06:12,671 --> 00:06:24,757\n那所以說現在要等到訂定專法之後才要推行那部分是不是其實應該要問內政部我們這邊看到的是說我們的資安的管理包含現有的自然憑證行動自然憑證他資安無虞這個這個我們負責啊貼肉也是我們負責對那所以說\n\n19\n00:06:29,259 --> 00:06:52,158\n現在來講的話因為以前啦以前的話因為在民眾所講當初我記得蘇貞昌在當院長的時候說的意思來講秀才不出門能知天下事要變成秀才不出門能辦天下事那這個是想要我們來陪他對但是現在譬如說民眾覺得秀才遇到江湖郎中所以到最後把這個數位身分證暫緩了之後他這個東西就無極了\n\n20\n00:06:54,540 --> 00:06:58,743\n只是獨立的各自會要先成立這個不管我或者民間也都是相同的立場那這個部分我們全力幫助獨立各自會成立\n\n21\n00:07:22,981 --> 00:07:40,606\n我的想法是這樣就是說因為數位發展部大家對於部內是期望甚深那在內政部他一直在這個數位身份證的時候又說都是資安的問題那各自的問題那同時他一邊在印資身份證一邊做規劃的這個過程確實就有資安的餘力沒錯吧\n\n22\n00:07:43,069 --> 00:07:44,670\n政府去做額外的利用那變成是政府機關要負責\n\n23\n00:08:01,021 --> 00:08:27,523\n所以就變成一個獨立的各執會來監督政府機關那沒關係因為時間有限本期還是希望說在這個目前來講全民買單2.81的這個事情內政部他一直在回說是治安的問題那如果說數位發展部過去來講你也擔任過政務委員那你對這案子也非常的熟悉那你剛才的立場跟態度其實當然說講自然憑證之外其實你是支持這個數位身份證\n\n24\n00:08:28,804 --> 00:08:44,654\n我支持獨立個資會先成立至於要不要訂專法就是內政部跟這個獨立個資會但是沒有人去回答我的問題啊因為事實上印那個身份證的權責那個法的主管機關並不是我們啊我知道這我清楚但是因為內政部他們還是回推到是數位跟資安的問題\n\n25\n00:08:45,495 --> 00:09:05,523\n所以所以我還是簡單講時間到那我還是要跟部長講就是說當大家都期待著這個資安跟個資的部分能夠做充分的一個保障的時候那居然有數位發展部我希望部長也能夠拿出gas還能夠讓內政部早日把這個數位身份證的事情能夠推動對不要讓人民再次當這個冤大頭謝謝委員質詢謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4858\t5563\t唐鳳列席\n10987\t35144\t委員好謝謝部長剛才蠻多的委員那其實也都針對的數位發展部包括部長的許多業務尤其是在這一年多來大家所推動的事情大家當然有褒有貶那大家是期待甚深但是在於打詐防詐的部分以及包括治安的這個發展\n36525\t54686\t其實許多委員都有期待、都有批評也希望說數位發展部能夠更好、能夠加速來改進對於這些的批評、對於許多的質疑想問一下部長會不會對數位發展部的同仁感到委屈?\n55980\t79184\t謝謝委員讓我們有機會說明我想我們絕對是看到這些批評很多是很有建設性的批評會不會感到委屈會同仁感到委屈我會覺得說同仁做得這麼辛苦但是他就是做到這麼多事實上是大家的感受是確實有些部分沒有再出問題了這個部分我是覺得我很肯定同仁\n79384\t80246\t所以對於這些許多的質疑都不感到委屈?\n90410\t90990\t但至正面來當責\n120750\t148884\t那個是就是中時電子報Youtube的?對,這我知道,那沒關係但是未來來講的話我記得在之前上個會期曾經有委員有要求速發部未來可以用這個就是替代役啊數位替代役來協助這個南投啊一些偏鄉的長輩來進行這個這個包括叫他們辨識真假訊息啊還帶到各社區機構啊那這個部分後來有下文嗎?\n149444\t177872\t我們就是透過數位據點的方式喔 這個我們有積極的在辦理但是這個積極辦理的情況之下 難道在民間還有民眾啊那就到時候還被騙了800萬再騙到3000萬那就到時候回頭來講這個宣導其實是非常的有待加強很多我覺得還是要在源頭啦 像今天反復提到電子簽賬法就是我們宣導是到大家已經收到了 要他不要去點但是可能一開始就不要讓他看這個廣告\n179172\t198871\t反正是希望說數位發展不能夠加強那同樣的延續了剛才許多委員所提到的這個數位身分證的部分啊那數位身分證的話其實目前來講我們看到暫緩可能暫緩的部分內政部大概一直強調的是資安的問題還是數位的問題那我想問一下\n199591\t208554\t像吳正勝主委他也直接講說這個過程中他到最後原本是10億到時候調節金額落在2.8億但事實上這是由全民買單但內政部他也強調說這都是在資安的問題他們現在也沒有辦法來去進行這個\n221778\t244606\t我想先還原一下就是當時內政部也好或民間的這個人權團體的期待是有一個獨立的各資保護會各資保護會當然跟資安是有關的但是各資保護會是獨立的意思是說他必須來監督像我們數位部有沒有過分收集各資過分利用那現在這個部分已經成立了那所以說未來的數位身份證還要推行嗎\n245086\t267195\t就是這個獨立的各自專責機關以及如果內政部要立一個專法這個是當時民間提的兩大條件那數位發展部支持數位身份證繼續推行嗎我們在國際評比上面我們其實已經有數位的身份證件就是自然憑證跟現在行動的自然憑證自然憑證歸自然憑證因為在目前來講有完成到這個數位身份證的國家總共有多少國家\n267715\t284020\t我剛剛提到一百二十多國裡面包含我們喔?一百二十八國嗎?包含我們喔?但是問題是你說的是那個自然憑證 對啊但是問題是數位身份證跟自然憑證是不同的阿他等於有點像自然憑證跟實際身份證這不能這不能語目混珠阿好像貼在一起這是兩卡合一這是兩碼子是兩卡合一\n285920\t305456\t當初在數位身分證原本的構想那本來就不是用自然的品證那是一個延伸甚至加強甚至一開始還自然品證還想要再整合T-Roll還包括政府機關的資料交換還想整合駕照跟健保卡T-Roll我們有在做對那問題是這個整合的數位身分證未來還要再做推行\n306036\t307156\t所以說這個身份證就沒有要做了\n326343\t349367\t我們當時我在院裡擔任政委的時候當時的立場其實就是大家應該要可以自由選擇就是你裡面要有自然平正規則那所以說所以我就直接就叫部長那內政部他說是職案的問題那你那時候有擔任政務委員那你也在這個過程中曾經都介入協調那所以以現在來講數位發展部的角色就是反對再去推行數位身份證\n350147\t372251\t剛剛提到的是說我們這邊全力支持包含獨立的各自會的設立現在還沒有那未來如果內政部要訂一個專法也得到這個獨立各自會的同意的話那個時候才有所謂要不要繼續做的問題那時候我記得在相關討論內政部曾經也說他這四五個法規的部分其實目前還可以去補充在數位身份證上面的一個運用嘛\n372671\t384757\t那所以說現在要等到訂定專法之後才要推行那部分是不是其實應該要問內政部我們這邊看到的是說我們的資安的管理包含現有的自然憑證行動自然憑證他資安無虞這個這個我們負責啊貼肉也是我們負責對那所以說\n389259\t412158\t現在來講的話因為以前啦以前的話因為在民眾所講當初我記得蘇貞昌在當院長的時候說的意思來講秀才不出門能知天下事要變成秀才不出門能辦天下事那這個是想要我們來陪他對但是現在譬如說民眾覺得秀才遇到江湖郎中所以到最後把這個數位身分證暫緩了之後他這個東西就無極了\n414540\t418743\t只是獨立的各自會要先成立這個不管我或者民間也都是相同的立場那這個部分我們全力幫助獨立各自會成立\n442981\t460606\t我的想法是這樣就是說因為數位發展部大家對於部內是期望甚深那在內政部他一直在這個數位身份證的時候又說都是資安的問題那各自的問題那同時他一邊在印資身份證一邊做規劃的這個過程確實就有資安的餘力沒錯吧\n463069\t464670\t政府去做額外的利用那變成是政府機關要負責\n481021\t507523\t所以就變成一個獨立的各執會來監督政府機關那沒關係因為時間有限本期還是希望說在這個目前來講全民買單2.81的這個事情內政部他一直在回說是治安的問題那如果說數位發展部過去來講你也擔任過政務委員那你對這案子也非常的熟悉那你剛才的立場跟態度其實當然說講自然憑證之外其實你是支持這個數位身份證\n508804\t524654\t我支持獨立個資會先成立至於要不要訂專法就是內政部跟這個獨立個資會但是沒有人去回答我的問題啊因為事實上印那個身份證的權責那個法的主管機關並不是我們啊我知道 這我清楚但是因為內政部他們還是回推到是數位跟資安的問題\n525495\t545523\t所以所以我還是簡單講時間到那我還是要跟部長講就是說當大家都期待著這個資安跟個資的部分能夠做充分的一個保障的時候那居然有數位發展部我希望部長也能夠拿出gas還能夠讓內政部早日把這個數位身份證的事情能夠推動對不要讓人民再次當這個冤大頭謝謝委員質詢謝謝\n","txt":"唐鳳列席\n委員好謝謝部長剛才蠻多的委員那其實也都針對的數位發展部包括部長的許多業務尤其是在這一年多來大家所推動的事情大家當然有褒有貶那大家是期待甚深但是在於打詐防詐的部分以及包括治安的這個發展\n其實許多委員都有期待、都有批評也希望說數位發展部能夠更好、能夠加速來改進對於這些的批評、對於許多的質疑想問一下部長會不會對數位發展部的同仁感到委屈?\n謝謝委員讓我們有機會說明我想我們絕對是看到這些批評很多是很有建設性的批評會不會感到委屈會同仁感到委屈我會覺得說同仁做得這麼辛苦但是他就是做到這麼多事實上是大家的感受是確實有些部分沒有再出問題了這個部分我是覺得我很肯定同仁\n所以對於這些許多的質疑都不感到委屈?\n但至正面來當責\n那個是就是中時電子報Youtube的?對,這我知道,那沒關係但是未來來講的話我記得在之前上個會期曾經有委員有要求速發部未來可以用這個就是替代役啊數位替代役來協助這個南投啊一些偏鄉的長輩來進行這個這個包括叫他們辨識真假訊息啊還帶到各社區機構啊那這個部分後來有下文嗎?\n我們就是透過數位據點的方式喔 這個我們有積極的在辦理但是這個積極辦理的情況之下 難道在民間還有民眾啊那就到時候還被騙了800萬再騙到3000萬那就到時候回頭來講這個宣導其實是非常的有待加強很多我覺得還是要在源頭啦 像今天反復提到電子簽賬法就是我們宣導是到大家已經收到了 要他不要去點但是可能一開始就不要讓他看這個廣告\n反正是希望說數位發展不能夠加強那同樣的延續了剛才許多委員所提到的這個數位身分證的部分啊那數位身分證的話其實目前來講我們看到暫緩可能暫緩的部分內政部大概一直強調的是資安的問題還是數位的問題那我想問一下\n像吳正勝主委他也直接講說這個過程中他到最後原本是10億到時候調節金額落在2.8億但事實上這是由全民買單但內政部他也強調說這都是在資安的問題他們現在也沒有辦法來去進行這個\n我想先還原一下就是當時內政部也好或民間的這個人權團體的期待是有一個獨立的各資保護會各資保護會當然跟資安是有關的但是各資保護會是獨立的意思是說他必須來監督像我們數位部有沒有過分收集各資過分利用那現在這個部分已經成立了那所以說未來的數位身份證還要推行嗎\n就是這個獨立的各自專責機關以及如果內政部要立一個專法這個是當時民間提的兩大條件那數位發展部支持數位身份證繼續推行嗎我們在國際評比上面我們其實已經有數位的身份證件就是自然憑證跟現在行動的自然憑證自然憑證歸自然憑證因為在目前來講有完成到這個數位身份證的國家總共有多少國家\n我剛剛提到一百二十多國裡面包含我們喔?一百二十八國嗎?包含我們喔?但是問題是你說的是那個自然憑證 對啊但是問題是數位身份證跟自然憑證是不同的阿他等於有點像自然憑證跟實際身份證這不能這不能語目混珠阿好像貼在一起這是兩卡合一這是兩碼子是兩卡合一\n當初在數位身分證原本的構想那本來就不是用自然的品證那是一個延伸甚至加強甚至一開始還自然品證還想要再整合T-Roll還包括政府機關的資料交換還想整合駕照跟健保卡T-Roll我們有在做對那問題是這個整合的數位身分證未來還要再做推行\n所以說這個身份證就沒有要做了\n我們當時我在院裡擔任政委的時候當時的立場其實就是大家應該要可以自由選擇就是你裡面要有自然平正規則那所以說所以我就直接就叫部長那內政部他說是職案的問題那你那時候有擔任政務委員那你也在這個過程中曾經都介入協調那所以以現在來講數位發展部的角色就是反對再去推行數位身份證\n剛剛提到的是說我們這邊全力支持包含獨立的各自會的設立現在還沒有那未來如果內政部要訂一個專法也得到這個獨立各自會的同意的話那個時候才有所謂要不要繼續做的問題那時候我記得在相關討論內政部曾經也說他這四五個法規的部分其實目前還可以去補充在數位身份證上面的一個運用嘛\n那所以說現在要等到訂定專法之後才要推行那部分是不是其實應該要問內政部我們這邊看到的是說我們的資安的管理包含現有的自然憑證行動自然憑證他資安無虞這個這個我們負責啊貼肉也是我們負責對那所以說\n現在來講的話因為以前啦以前的話因為在民眾所講當初我記得蘇貞昌在當院長的時候說的意思來講秀才不出門能知天下事要變成秀才不出門能辦天下事那這個是想要我們來陪他對但是現在譬如說民眾覺得秀才遇到江湖郎中所以到最後把這個數位身分證暫緩了之後他這個東西就無極了\n只是獨立的各自會要先成立這個不管我或者民間也都是相同的立場那這個部分我們全力幫助獨立各自會成立\n我的想法是這樣就是說因為數位發展部大家對於部內是期望甚深那在內政部他一直在這個數位身份證的時候又說都是資安的問題那各自的問題那同時他一邊在印資身份證一邊做規劃的這個過程確實就有資安的餘力沒錯吧\n政府去做額外的利用那變成是政府機關要負責\n所以就變成一個獨立的各執會來監督政府機關那沒關係因為時間有限本期還是希望說在這個目前來講全民買單2.81的這個事情內政部他一直在回說是治安的問題那如果說數位發展部過去來講你也擔任過政務委員那你對這案子也非常的熟悉那你剛才的立場跟態度其實當然說講自然憑證之外其實你是支持這個數位身份證\n我支持獨立個資會先成立至於要不要訂專法就是內政部跟這個獨立個資會但是沒有人去回答我的問題啊因為事實上印那個身份證的權責那個法的主管機關並不是我們啊我知道 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