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\"score\": 0.0}, {\"word\": \"t\", \"start\": 519.096, \"end\": 519.116, \"score\": 0.0}, {\"word\": \"y\", \"start\": 519.116, \"end\": 519.316, \"score\": 0.892}, {\"word\": \"好\", \"start\": 519.316, \"end\": 519.336, \"score\": 0.0}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:00,874 --> 00:00:02,498\n主席,請唐部長上台。請唐部長\n\n2\n00:00:06,916 --> 00:00:33,511\n委員好唐部長您這份報告寫了69頁然後我蠻辛苦的看完了其實感覺起來蠻不舒服的因為蠻像在作文比賽您剛開始第一頁第一段就充滿了所謂的傳統價值說三發、社發、產發、突發我還覺得說你乾脆說你發我發大家發就好比較快一點像這樣的口號治國然後浪費我們納稅人的錢本席認為其實蠻不妥的\n\n3\n00:00:34,291 --> 00:00:56,873\n請在這邊直接很快速的回答你們上面有講你們對社會共融對提高提升產業轉型跟提升應變韌性的績效在哪裡請給我三項的數據第一個我們透過像111這樣子的簡訊平台確保說所有的公部門甚至包含地方的政府他在送簡訊以及其他私訊的傳達的時候都可以很容易的被辨識\n\n4\n00:00:57,714 --> 00:01:17,333\n所以不是只有數位部自己或中央機關而已是同時讓所有的包含國營、事業、社會這第1件我們已經發了所有機關加起來570多萬則出去年底會有1億則這第1個數據那第二個呢我們現在透過我們電子簽章法這個修法已經送到貴院我們現在如果經濟部把這個廣告的主管機關過來的話\n\n5\n00:01:18,294 --> 00:01:37,539\n我們就可以希望能夠重現我們在電商這邊我們電商這邊在一年多前是高風險賣場在165大概都是我們主管的大型電商現在已經歸零5個月了這第二個數據我其實我另外更關心的是說這幾年間其實我們最關心的這幾年間中華民國國人最關心的是不是能夠成功的打擊詐騙\n\n6\n00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:56,531\n唐部長你說你們落實行政院新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領1.5版但是老實講本席實在看不出來你們真正的成效在哪裡尤其是說你們通報的通報數從1、2年單月最高1600件下降到今年1月份的時候已經到每月200件這遊戲點數\n\n7\n00:01:58,592 --> 00:02:03,997\n這是遊戲點數,你剛那個數據是遊戲點數遊戲點數,那其實這個數據來講的話你說臺灣的詐欺人,說臺灣的受詐騙通報人數只會有兩百千嗎?那是遊戲點數嘛,是我們主管的各個行業裡面的某一個OK,好,那我想請問你們這數據從哪裡來的?這個當然是從165啊,就是遊戲點數跟聯邦的平台所以說其實是有通報兩百下\n\n8\n00:02:24,538 --> 00:02:43,358\n其實委員可能瞭解就是說現在不管電商還是遊戲點數因為我們這個聯邦成功已經不是詐騙集團最愛用的方式了老實說我其實在這邊想要問請問一件事比較像傳理學上的事就是所謂錯誤的政策比貪污更可怕這件事唐部長你是否認同\n\n9\n00:02:44,259 --> 00:03:06,566\n您若是指這個數位身份證的話我相信這個政策它在推行的時候是因為社會上有更多的期待。前面講起來不是說這錯誤政策政策面錯誤與否這我不敢講只是說數位身份證畢竟來講無論如何嘎然而止然後目前來講沒有任何一個政府官員為此為此件事來說道來說聲道歉花了2.8億內政部長說這不是賠償這是耗損的金額\n\n10\n00:03:10,487 --> 00:03:27,919\n然後沒有一個沒有一個官員為這個錯誤的決策做出任何負責道歉而且最後面還是說好像最後面感覺好像是我們這些政府官員們還是有功的那將損耗降到最低然後全民應該給你們拍拍手是嗎這是你們覺得這樣子最後面的態度嗎\n\n11\n00:03:28,780 --> 00:03:42,441\n我先正面回答委員的問題我不認為說當時回應社會上面對於專法跟獨立各自會的需求這件事情表示本來的政策就是像您剛講嘎然而止是說我們要先回應社會上對這兩個的需求\n\n12\n00:03:44,295 --> 00:03:46,937\n請問部長您到底認為說數位身份證這件事到底是好還是不好?那未來會再執行嗎?要執行如何執行?\n\n13\n00:04:00,690 --> 00:04:26,560\n我想身份證這個現在大家用的這個版本他在防衛上面現在碰到非常大的挑戰這個是絕對需要解決的這第一點第二個如果是內政部在換發身份證的時候同時給予自然人憑證的這個選項這個是屬於內政部的權責但是第三個我想在個資會不會因為這樣子被政府收集太多或目的外利用等等需要一個專法跟一個獨立個資會當年民間的這兩個訴求我也是贊成的\n\n14\n00:04:28,865 --> 00:04:46,213\n好,那唐部長其實我們都知道說今年的數位部預算多了今天將近多三分之一那足足18億的預算當然在我記得新聞報道上面寫說我們數位發展部的經費雖然多三分之一但是在14個部會裡面還是比較便宜的據說有其他部會的業務會移轉過來請問具體有哪些業務移轉到了數位發展部為什麼移轉過來\n\n15\n00:04:57,246 --> 00:05:14,519\n如果現在是從現在往未來講的話我們最重要的一個就是剛才講到的網路的廣告平台業我們爭取從經濟部移過來經濟部已經初步表示同意當然行政院還要做最後的這個裁奪那過來之後我們對Facebook、對於Google才具有目的事業主管機關的這個權利\n\n16\n00:05:16,327 --> 00:05:40,043\n為什麼問到這個原因就是在這裡因為還是回到全國國人現在最關心的是如何遏止詐騙如何讓詐騙犯能夠獲得應有的懲罰然後如何遏止預防詐騙再度發生而如果這個粉絲專頁是這個粉絲專頁沒有藍勾勾那基本上沒有這個BlueCheck就表示說這不是我本身的專頁而這個粉絲專頁現在還在我剛剛在下面在備詢的時候我發現這一個假帳號還在\n\n17\n00:05:46,087 --> 00:06:06,965\n而再的原因是因為說我1月13日當選國會議員1月18日這個加凡專就成立而到目前為止已經有甚至這個人數現在還在加那我們也沒有辦法去支持他現在剛剛前一秒10分鐘之內他還在上面那我想像這樣的問題已經不是只有我個人的問題所有的國會議員所有的名人像這樣的名人詐騙已經變成是一個\n\n18\n00:06:08,966 --> 00:06:29,014\n詐騙集團最喜歡利用、利用名人的光環來去操作的目的．來去引誘這些不知道的人那想請問唐部長數位發展部在未來如何遏止跟協助打擊此等犯罪行為?是,委員講得非常好如果未來我們真的成為網路廣告業的主管機關而且在大院支持底下電子簽章法新版可以三讀通過\n\n19\n00:06:29,794 --> 00:06:44,481\n我們接下來會做的事情就是會透過數位簽章的方式來驗證說這個人他是不是真的跟您同名同姓或者跟誰同名同姓這樣子那這件事情就可以有效的把這種假冒名人的好評票投資廣告等等可以減到最低那現在呢?\n\n20\n00:06:47,642 --> 00:07:01,428\n我現在是個受害者,不是以國會議員身份之外,他是一個受害者身份在這邊講這件事情。如果今天不是我有國會殿堂的這個平台可以發聲的話,其他很多人像我一樣的人是無法在這個機會跟數位發展部來去講說我們該怎麼辦的。\n\n21\n00:07:03,149 --> 00:07:19,936\n那請問如果現在該怎麼做呢?我們現在是協助165就是刑事局那邊跟這些大的平台有一個快速的通道所以還是要到165的網站或者是到警察去檢舉我也同意這並不是源頭防止的做法這就是為什麼我們要推數位簽賬法、電子簽賬法以及請經濟部把廣告主管機關移過來\n\n22\n00:07:20,856 --> 00:07:49,440\n部長如果說是今天如果是我我是國會議員我有機會跟你這樣講說你有165講到之後然後未來這邊的中央政府會因為我的案子去辦特案辦理但是如果一般的民眾遇到這樣的狀況他是求助我們的時候該怎麼辦這是165的你也可以看到說這邊有點進去這邊另外還有另外一個平台點進去之後另外一個平台會轉送把他們轉送到別的地方去再去做另外一方面的不管是口號也好還是話術上面的剝削那我想請問這個時候你該怎麼樣去防治呢\n\n23\n00:07:50,761 --> 00:07:56,405\n對,如果那個平台是好比方一站式詐騙等等這個我們去年已經下架了幫助刑事局下架了三萬多件所以這個點擊連到國外網站你會看到被165扣押這件事情這個是我們有做的\n\n24\n00:08:12,876 --> 00:08:39,336\n但是我也很同意說光是這樣子是不夠因為這個還不是源頭這個是後面的部分還是要有人發現所以我們現在有做主動的掃描去專門掃描說還沒有被害人的情況下我們先掃到看起來像仿冒的等等我希望這個事情數位發展部未來不知道說唐部長您會不會還在任但是不管怎麼樣數位發展部在未來針對科技詐騙這件事情我覺得應該把它放在firstpriority源頭房價絕對我們firstpriority好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n874\t2498\t主席,請唐部長上台。請唐部長\n6916\t33511\t委員好唐部長您這份報告寫了69頁然後我蠻辛苦的看完了其實感覺起來蠻不舒服的因為蠻像在作文比賽您剛開始第一頁第一段就充滿了所謂的傳統價值說三發、社發、產發、突發我還覺得說你乾脆說你發我發大家發就好比較快一點像這樣的口號治國然後浪費我們納稅人的錢本席認為其實蠻不妥的\n34291\t56873\t請在這邊直接很快速的回答你們上面有講你們對社會共融對提高提升產業轉型跟提升應變韌性的績效在哪裡請給我三項的數據第一個我們透過像111這樣子的簡訊平台確保說所有的公部門甚至包含地方的政府他在送簡訊以及其他私訊的傳達的時候都可以很容易的被辨識\n57714\t77333\t所以不是只有數位部自己或中央機關而已是同時讓所有的包含國營、事業、社會這第1件我們已經發了所有機關加起來570多萬則出去年底會有1億則這第1個數據那第二個呢我們現在透過我們電子簽章法這個修法已經送到貴院我們現在如果經濟部把這個廣告的主管機關過來的話\n78294\t97539\t我們就可以希望能夠重現我們在電商這邊我們電商這邊在一年多前是高風險賣場在165大概都是我們主管的大型電商現在已經歸零5個月了這第二個數據我其實我另外更關心的是說這幾年間其實我們最關心的這幾年間中華民國國人最關心的是不是能夠成功的打擊詐騙\n99720\t116531\t唐部長你說你們落實行政院新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領1.5版但是老實講本席實在看不出來你們真正的成效在哪裡尤其是說你們通報的通報數從1、2年單月最高1600件下降到今年1月份的時候已經到每月200件這遊戲點數\n118592\t123997\t這是遊戲點數,你剛那個數據是遊戲點數遊戲點數,那其實這個數據來講的話你說臺灣的詐欺人,說臺灣的受詐騙通報人數只會有兩百千嗎?那是遊戲點數嘛,是我們主管的各個行業裡面的某一個OK,好,那我想請問你們這數據從哪裡來的?這個當然是從165啊,就是遊戲點數跟聯邦的平台所以說其實是有通報兩百下\n144538\t163358\t其實委員可能瞭解就是說現在不管電商還是遊戲點數因為我們這個聯邦成功已經不是詐騙集團最愛用的方式了老實說我其實在這邊想要問請問一件事比較像傳理學上的事就是所謂錯誤的政策比貪污更可怕這件事唐部長你是否認同\n164259\t186566\t您若是指這個數位身份證的話我相信這個政策它在推行的時候是因為社會上有更多的期待。前面講起來不是說這錯誤政策政策面錯誤與否這我不敢講只是說數位身份證畢竟來講無論如何嘎然而止然後目前來講沒有任何一個政府官員為此為此件事來說道來說聲道歉花了2.8億內政部長說這不是賠償這是耗損的金額\n190487\t207919\t然後沒有一個沒有一個官員為這個錯誤的決策做出任何負責道歉而且最後面還是說好像最後面感覺好像是我們這些政府官員們還是有功的那將損耗降到最低然後全民應該給你們拍拍手是嗎這是你們覺得這樣子最後面的態度嗎\n208780\t222441\t我先正面回答委員的問題我不認為說當時回應社會上面對於專法跟獨立各自會的需求這件事情表示本來的政策就是像您剛講嘎然而止是說我們要先回應社會上對這兩個的需求\n224295\t226937\t請問部長您到底認為說數位身份證這件事到底是好還是不好?那未來會再執行嗎?要執行如何執行?\n240690\t266560\t我想身份證這個現在大家用的這個版本他在防衛上面現在碰到非常大的挑戰這個是絕對需要解決的這第一點第二個如果是內政部在換發身份證的時候同時給予自然人憑證的這個選項這個是屬於內政部的權責但是第三個我想在個資會不會因為這樣子被政府收集太多或目的外利用等等需要一個專法跟一個獨立個資會當年民間的這兩個訴求我也是贊成的\n268865\t286213\t好,那唐部長其實我們都知道說今年的數位部預算多了今天將近多三分之一那足足18億的預算當然在我記得新聞報道上面寫說我們數位發展部的經費雖然多三分之一但是在14個部會裡面還是比較便宜的據說有其他部會的業務會移轉過來請問具體有哪些業務移轉到了數位發展部為什麼移轉過來\n297246\t314519\t如果現在是從現在往未來講的話我們最重要的一個就是剛才講到的網路的廣告平台業我們爭取從經濟部移過來經濟部已經初步表示同意當然行政院還要做最後的這個裁奪那過來之後我們對Facebook、對於Google才具有目的事業主管機關的這個權利\n316327\t340043\t為什麼問到這個原因就是在這裡因為還是回到全國國人現在最關心的是如何遏止詐騙如何讓詐騙犯能夠獲得應有的懲罰然後如何遏止預防詐騙再度發生而如果這個粉絲專頁是這個粉絲專頁沒有藍勾勾那基本上沒有這個Blue Check就表示說這不是我本身的專頁而這個粉絲專頁現在還在我剛剛在下面在備詢的時候我發現這一個假帳號還在\n346087\t366965\t而再的原因是因為說我1月13日當選國會議員1月18日這個加凡專就成立而到目前為止已經有甚至這個人數現在還在加那我們也沒有辦法去支持他現在剛剛前一秒10分鐘之內他還在上面那我想像這樣的問題已經不是只有我個人的問題所有的國會議員所有的名人像這樣的名人詐騙已經變成是一個\n368966\t389014\t詐騙集團最喜歡利用、利用名人的光環來去操作的目的．來去引誘這些不知道的人那想請問唐部長數位發展部在未來如何遏止跟協助打擊此等犯罪行為?是,委員講得非常好如果未來我們真的成為網路廣告業的主管機關而且在大院支持底下電子簽章法新版可以三讀通過\n389794\t404481\t我們接下來會做的事情就是會透過數位簽章的方式來驗證說這個人他是不是真的跟您同名同姓或者跟誰同名同姓這樣子那這件事情就可以有效的把這種假冒名人的好評票投資廣告等等可以減到最低那現在呢?\n407642\t421428\t我現在是個受害者,不是以國會議員身份之外,他是一個受害者身份在這邊講這件事情。如果今天不是我有國會殿堂的這個平台可以發聲的話,其他很多人像我一樣的人是無法在這個機會跟數位發展部來去講說我們該怎麼辦的。\n423149\t439936\t那請問如果現在該怎麼做呢?我們現在是協助165就是刑事局那邊跟這些大的平台有一個快速的通道所以還是要到165的網站或者是到警察去檢舉我也同意這並不是源頭防止的做法這就是為什麼我們要推數位簽賬法、電子簽賬法以及請經濟部把廣告主管機關移過來\n440856\t469440\t部長如果說是今天如果是我我是國會議員我有機會跟你這樣講說你有165講到之後然後未來這邊的中央政府會因為我的案子去辦特案辦理但是如果一般的民眾遇到這樣的狀況他是求助我們的時候該怎麼辦這是165的你也可以看到說這邊有點進去這邊另外還有另外一個平台點進去之後另外一個平台會轉送把他們轉送到別的地方去再去做另外一方面的不管是口號也好還是話術上面的剝削那我想請問這個時候你該怎麼樣去防治呢\n470761\t476405\t對,如果那個平台是好比方一站式詐騙等等 這個我們去年已經下架了幫助刑事局下架了三萬多件所以這個點擊連到國外網站你會看到被165扣押這件事情這個是我們有做的\n492876\t519336\t但是我也很同意說光是這樣子是不夠因為這個還不是源頭這個是後面的部分還是要有人發現所以我們現在有做主動的掃描去專門掃描說還沒有被害人的情況下我們先掃到看起來像仿冒的等等我希望這個事情數位發展部未來不知道說唐部長您會不會還在任但是不管怎麼樣數位發展部在未來針對科技詐騙這件事情我覺得應該把它放在first priority源頭房價絕對我們first priority好 謝謝\n","txt":"主席,請唐部長上台。請唐部長\n委員好唐部長您這份報告寫了69頁然後我蠻辛苦的看完了其實感覺起來蠻不舒服的因為蠻像在作文比賽您剛開始第一頁第一段就充滿了所謂的傳統價值說三發、社發、產發、突發我還覺得說你乾脆說你發我發大家發就好比較快一點像這樣的口號治國然後浪費我們納稅人的錢本席認為其實蠻不妥的\n請在這邊直接很快速的回答你們上面有講你們對社會共融對提高提升產業轉型跟提升應變韌性的績效在哪裡請給我三項的數據第一個我們透過像111這樣子的簡訊平台確保說所有的公部門甚至包含地方的政府他在送簡訊以及其他私訊的傳達的時候都可以很容易的被辨識\n所以不是只有數位部自己或中央機關而已是同時讓所有的包含國營、事業、社會這第1件我們已經發了所有機關加起來570多萬則出去年底會有1億則這第1個數據那第二個呢我們現在透過我們電子簽章法這個修法已經送到貴院我們現在如果經濟部把這個廣告的主管機關過來的話\n我們就可以希望能夠重現我們在電商這邊我們電商這邊在一年多前是高風險賣場在165大概都是我們主管的大型電商現在已經歸零5個月了這第二個數據我其實我另外更關心的是說這幾年間其實我們最關心的這幾年間中華民國國人最關心的是不是能夠成功的打擊詐騙\n唐部長你說你們落實行政院新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領1.5版但是老實講本席實在看不出來你們真正的成效在哪裡尤其是說你們通報的通報數從1、2年單月最高1600件下降到今年1月份的時候已經到每月200件這遊戲點數\n這是遊戲點數,你剛那個數據是遊戲點數遊戲點數,那其實這個數據來講的話你說臺灣的詐欺人,說臺灣的受詐騙通報人數只會有兩百千嗎?那是遊戲點數嘛,是我們主管的各個行業裡面的某一個OK,好,那我想請問你們這數據從哪裡來的?這個當然是從165啊,就是遊戲點數跟聯邦的平台所以說其實是有通報兩百下\n其實委員可能瞭解就是說現在不管電商還是遊戲點數因為我們這個聯邦成功已經不是詐騙集團最愛用的方式了老實說我其實在這邊想要問請問一件事比較像傳理學上的事就是所謂錯誤的政策比貪污更可怕這件事唐部長你是否認同\n您若是指這個數位身份證的話我相信這個政策它在推行的時候是因為社會上有更多的期待。前面講起來不是說這錯誤政策政策面錯誤與否這我不敢講只是說數位身份證畢竟來講無論如何嘎然而止然後目前來講沒有任何一個政府官員為此為此件事來說道來說聲道歉花了2.8億內政部長說這不是賠償這是耗損的金額\n然後沒有一個沒有一個官員為這個錯誤的決策做出任何負責道歉而且最後面還是說好像最後面感覺好像是我們這些政府官員們還是有功的那將損耗降到最低然後全民應該給你們拍拍手是嗎這是你們覺得這樣子最後面的態度嗎\n我先正面回答委員的問題我不認為說當時回應社會上面對於專法跟獨立各自會的需求這件事情表示本來的政策就是像您剛講嘎然而止是說我們要先回應社會上對這兩個的需求\n請問部長您到底認為說數位身份證這件事到底是好還是不好?那未來會再執行嗎?要執行如何執行?\n我想身份證這個現在大家用的這個版本他在防衛上面現在碰到非常大的挑戰這個是絕對需要解決的這第一點第二個如果是內政部在換發身份證的時候同時給予自然人憑證的這個選項這個是屬於內政部的權責但是第三個我想在個資會不會因為這樣子被政府收集太多或目的外利用等等需要一個專法跟一個獨立個資會當年民間的這兩個訴求我也是贊成的\n好,那唐部長其實我們都知道說今年的數位部預算多了今天將近多三分之一那足足18億的預算當然在我記得新聞報道上面寫說我們數位發展部的經費雖然多三分之一但是在14個部會裡面還是比較便宜的據說有其他部會的業務會移轉過來請問具體有哪些業務移轉到了數位發展部為什麼移轉過來\n如果現在是從現在往未來講的話我們最重要的一個就是剛才講到的網路的廣告平台業我們爭取從經濟部移過來經濟部已經初步表示同意當然行政院還要做最後的這個裁奪那過來之後我們對Facebook、對於Google才具有目的事業主管機關的這個權利\n為什麼問到這個原因就是在這裡因為還是回到全國國人現在最關心的是如何遏止詐騙如何讓詐騙犯能夠獲得應有的懲罰然後如何遏止預防詐騙再度發生而如果這個粉絲專頁是這個粉絲專頁沒有藍勾勾那基本上沒有這個Blue Check就表示說這不是我本身的專頁而這個粉絲專頁現在還在我剛剛在下面在備詢的時候我發現這一個假帳號還在\n而再的原因是因為說我1月13日當選國會議員1月18日這個加凡專就成立而到目前為止已經有甚至這個人數現在還在加那我們也沒有辦法去支持他現在剛剛前一秒10分鐘之內他還在上面那我想像這樣的問題已經不是只有我個人的問題所有的國會議員所有的名人像這樣的名人詐騙已經變成是一個\n詐騙集團最喜歡利用、利用名人的光環來去操作的目的．來去引誘這些不知道的人那想請問唐部長數位發展部在未來如何遏止跟協助打擊此等犯罪行為?是,委員講得非常好如果未來我們真的成為網路廣告業的主管機關而且在大院支持底下電子簽章法新版可以三讀通過\n我們接下來會做的事情就是會透過數位簽章的方式來驗證說這個人他是不是真的跟您同名同姓或者跟誰同名同姓這樣子那這件事情就可以有效的把這種假冒名人的好評票投資廣告等等可以減到最低那現在呢?\n我現在是個受害者,不是以國會議員身份之外,他是一個受害者身份在這邊講這件事情。如果今天不是我有國會殿堂的這個平台可以發聲的話,其他很多人像我一樣的人是無法在這個機會跟數位發展部來去講說我們該怎麼辦的。\n那請問如果現在該怎麼做呢?我們現在是協助165就是刑事局那邊跟這些大的平台有一個快速的通道所以還是要到165的網站或者是到警察去檢舉我也同意這並不是源頭防止的做法這就是為什麼我們要推數位簽賬法、電子簽賬法以及請經濟部把廣告主管機關移過來\n部長如果說是今天如果是我我是國會議員我有機會跟你這樣講說你有165講到之後然後未來這邊的中央政府會因為我的案子去辦特案辦理但是如果一般的民眾遇到這樣的狀況他是求助我們的時候該怎麼辦這是165的你也可以看到說這邊有點進去這邊另外還有另外一個平台點進去之後另外一個平台會轉送把他們轉送到別的地方去再去做另外一方面的不管是口號也好還是話術上面的剝削那我想請問這個時候你該怎麼樣去防治呢\n對,如果那個平台是好比方一站式詐騙等等 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