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00:01:49,788\n一般人申請一個手機號碼用它來傳簡訊一定是09什麼什麼它是10個號碼那如果是國際的就更長它會加多少多少那在我們這邊的短碼一開頭的只有政府機關可以來使用所以111這個短碼就好像165一樣也不會有人能夠冒充165\n\n7\n00:01:51,528 --> 00:02:07,470\n短碼一開頭的只有政府機關可以來申請那其他單位都不能申請對不對所以我們要讓民眾知道這一個重要的訊息這個111的短碼是不可能被申請也不可能被copy所以\n\n8\n00:02:08,751 --> 00:02:37,370\n僅此一家就是政府的簡訊平台委員講得太好了就是用紙板的話要讓一般的我們的民眾瞭解他才會幫忙宣傳那也才有助於我們為什麼要用這個平台嘛那我另外一個要求我希望更多的政府單位相關單位國營事業都要加入我現在有看到兩個是跟我們民生最相關的兩個體系還沒有加入\n\n9\n00:02:38,431 --> 00:02:59,555\n一個叫做天然氣公司一個叫做各公司的銀行體系這個來部長第一個天然氣公司是我們退福會轉投資可不可以請我們事務發布主動跟退福會來商量來推動所有全國25家的天然氣公司通通加入\n\n10\n00:02:59,975 --> 00:03:21,516\n我們可以來主動推動這個共同供應企業看是不是有哪個政府機關當作他們的總代表先從跟一般人生活最相關的這個角度來想起哪些是跟人民生活最相關的政府單位跟國營事業或是相關的體系所以水電再天然氣再來銀行\n\n11\n00:03:23,197 --> 00:03:40,896\n就是關股的銀行關股的銀行當然我們請財政部可以來幫忙我們民間的銀行民營的銀行也可以請財政部請銀行公會來幫忙大家一起來使用這樣子的一個平台可不可以\n\n12\n00:03:41,437 --> 00:03:58,272\n部長民營的銀行以我所知現在他們在想的是另外再用他自己的短盤因為一開頭是表示是政府發的好那如果一開始表示是政府發的那他們銀行體系國營、關股、銀行可不可以加入這個我們就是用共同供應契約的方式我們盡快來協調\n\n13\n00:03:59,293 --> 00:04:19,989\n你說的民營銀行沒有辦法用一開頭的簡訊短碼但他另外創一個系統我們在宣傳的力道上是不是都要讓民眾能夠簡單直接就認知知道說這是真的不是假的我想像55688就不是一開頭現在大家都認得了所以我覺得還是短碼這件事情也是可以宣傳的\n\n14\n00:04:20,489 --> 00:04:36,251\n好那所以第一個跟退府會商量所有的天然氣公司這個你要去好好的研究一下去邀他們加入第二個我們的關國銀行那明明銀行另外一個體系我們又如何跟銀行公會去要求去\n\n15\n00:04:36,932 --> 00:04:56,957\n合作我覺得這很重要我們盡快辦理而且會書面跟我們說我希望是越來越多啦越來越多啦能夠呢建立我們111的這個簡訊平台這叫什麼這也品牌啦對啊就讓民眾知道說這是真的啦你剛剛說僅此一家嘛別無分號僅此一家別無分號啦所以這是真的不是假的啦好不好來第二個\n\n16\n00:04:58,957 --> 00:05:02,460\n我相信很多人都不知道發生什麼事連我自己也不知道為什麼我的這個FB不能用我的帳號被登出\n\n17\n00:05:19,773 --> 00:05:36,907\n部長你有沒有站在一般的民眾用戶的感受一下說我被害了是不是我的資料有沒有全部消失了我現在要去哪裡問問個出個所以然來在發生的當下沒有人可以問欸你知道這件事嗎部長\n\n18\n00:05:37,788 --> 00:06:04,600\n我知道這件事而且那是因為我平常有在用X.com就以前的Twitter所以臉書的人還要跑去Twitter上面解釋發生什麼事情對所以最後是由Twitter這邊的X上面才知道這個狀況啊對不對那所以包括IG臉書然後Trade通通甚至還有其他的通通都不能用平台那我就請教一下因為呢這個Meta在台灣沒有落地那如果發生像這樣的事情我們找誰\n\n19\n00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:22,667\n在台灣其實是有落地的公司是有落地那接下來我就問你了接下來來下一頁那因為這一次的事件聽說祖克伯的淨資產損失了880億但是呢我們消失了那兩個小時所有搭檔機的那兩個小時我們所有的用戶的損失誰來賠償要找誰賠償\n\n20\n00:06:28,149 --> 00:06:36,716\n我所謂損失不是我們個人在使用也許沒有盈利行為那很多人是用這個平台在盈利做生意在生活的請問那怎麼辦你這是你是專家嘛你可以告訴我怎麼辦\n\n21\n00:06:46,844 --> 00:07:12,875\n我想我們現在在跟內政部一起跟各部會一起在你一個叫做打詐的就是專法名字還沒有確定了在這裡面就是在講這些達到一定規模當然臉書已經達到不管什麼規模他都達到了達到一定規模的這個境外的這個廣告平台他必須不是只是設代理人而已還必須要在您剛剛關心的這一些包含他的這個消費者保護防詐等等這一方面要盡到一定的義務\n\n22\n00:07:13,775 --> 00:07:37,671\n那這部分我們之前一個挑戰就是說經濟部到目前為止雖然他原德答應但是還沒有真的把廣告平台業的目的數也主管機關移給我們所以我們現在是比較是側面了解的狀況那一旦那現在的主管機關是誰那我去找他因為廣告業其實之前沒有分成網路或者是實體所以包含燈箱、扛棒什麼這些東西他登記的時候都還是登記在經濟部商業署\n\n23\n00:07:38,251 --> 00:07:58,656\n可是這樣子的一個邏輯是一個好像遠古時代的邏輯欸我們現在台灣已經進步到21世紀了我們的網路世界都已經到上太空了我們的法規制度怎麼還在這樣子的遠古時代本來我們也要把防火電跟電商應該分開嘛對不對我們政府部門的腳步不夠快嘛\n\n24\n00:07:59,196 --> 00:08:28,376\n我們是主動跟經濟部要求我們最近像那個電商的部分我們跟經濟部談妥了我們就說那可不可以盡快就把這個也是同樣無實體網路平台廣告趕快給我們這樣所以第一個請跟經濟部講那現在這個狀況那我的球場我用戶的權益誰來政府可以幫我們人民主張什麼那我們可以讓我們人民知道說欸你如果因為這一次的這一個這個兩個小時消失不見的大蕩雞而損失的這個\n\n25\n00:08:29,336 --> 00:08:43,850\n的權益該由誰來主張該向誰主張我覺得這個是政府應該有的責任第二個我跟你講我更害怕的是什麼你看到這個標題這個全球大宕機的原因不尋常有三個組織宣稱是他們聯手發動攻擊\n\n26\n00:08:48,354 --> 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02:07.470\n短碼一開頭的只有政府機關可以來申請那其他單位都不能申請對不對所以我們要讓民眾知道這一個重要的訊息這個111的短碼是不可能被申請也不可能被copy所以\n\n02:08.751 --> 02:37.370\n僅此一家就是政府的簡訊平台委員講得太好了就是用紙板的話要讓一般的我們的民眾瞭解他才會幫忙宣傳那也才有助於我們為什麼要用這個平台嘛那我另外一個要求我希望更多的政府單位相關單位國營事業都要加入我現在有看到兩個是跟我們民生最相關的兩個體系還沒有加入\n\n02:38.431 --> 02:59.555\n一個叫做天然氣公司一個叫做各公司的銀行體系這個來部長第一個天然氣公司是我們退福會轉投資可不可以請我們事務發布主動跟退福會來商量來推動所有全國25家的天然氣公司通通加入\n\n02:59.975 --> 03:21.516\n我們可以來主動推動這個共同供應企業看是不是有哪個政府機關當作他們的總代表先從跟一般人生活最相關的這個角度來想起哪些是跟人民生活最相關的政府單位跟國營事業或是相關的體系所以水電再天然氣再來銀行\n\n03:23.197 --> 03:40.896\n就是關股的銀行關股的銀行當然我們請財政部可以來幫忙我們民間的銀行民營的銀行也可以請財政部請銀行公會來幫忙大家一起來使用這樣子的一個平台可不可以\n\n03:41.437 --> 03:58.272\n部長民營的銀行以我所知現在他們在想的是另外再用他自己的短盤因為一開頭是表示是政府發的好那如果一開始表示是政府發的那他們銀行體系國營、關股、銀行可不可以加入這個我們就是用共同供應契約的方式我們盡快來協調\n\n03:59.293 --> 04:19.989\n你說的民營銀行沒有辦法用一開頭的簡訊短碼但他另外創一個系統我們在宣傳的力道上是不是都要讓民眾能夠簡單直接就認知知道說這是真的不是假的我想像55688就不是一開頭現在大家都認得了所以我覺得還是短碼這件事情也是可以宣傳的\n\n04:20.489 --> 04:36.251\n好那所以第一個跟退府會商量所有的天然氣公司這個你要去好好的研究一下去邀他們加入第二個我們的關國銀行那明明銀行另外一個體系我們又如何跟銀行公會去要求去\n\n04:36.932 --> 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