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00:00:48,875\n綠色也就是說碳稅的部分那天也提過就是碳費先行那後面碳稅那委員也特別提到就是說我們不能以後再研議應該現在就要研議那這個部分特別跟委員報告我們也一直在收集這個有關國際間對於能源稅課徵能源稅跟碳稅的國際資料所以我需要的是時間\n\n3\n00:00:52,599 --> 00:01:14,051\n對,另外我們也委託了臺北大學進行一個就是說碳稅接碳費然後檢討貨物稅制的一個可行性的研究那這個研究呢預估會在今年的11月30會完成我相信這個研究可以對我們提出很具體的參與我只要你的時間表內容的東西我都知道你們在做些什麼\n\n4\n00:01:14,891 --> 00:01:42,359\n所以我需要的是什麼時候可以提出這個報告給我第二個就是有關碳稅目前為止去年環境部有答應一個月提出來但是用了200個字那我不知道你這個報告會不會只有100個字那我是不是這樣子好不好因為這個可行性研究的報告會在11月30完成如果委員需要一個比較完整的話可能要到年底那您如果要知道我們現在在做什麼我們可以把現在的進行的情形跟您做\n\n5\n00:01:42,779 --> 00:01:43,119\n財政部長\n\n6\n00:02:10,094 --> 00:02:21,269\n我希望在年底的時候會有完整的計畫但是我希望你一個月出來至少把相關的時程表時間表我不會是3年5年才會完成碳稅的規範不會吧\n\n7\n00:02:23,346 --> 00:02:29,192\n財政部雖然不是氣候變遷的主責機關但是我認為碳稅本身就是一種工具像我們在產創條例的部分我們可以用稅額扣抵來引導產業轉型同樣的產創條例對於目前減碳\n\n8\n00:02:50,089 --> 00:02:50,169\n所以﹐\n\n9\n00:03:16,306 --> 00:03:37,241\n今天第一個就是時間我希望一個月之內給我一個完整的你的時程表不管你要做什麼請把時程表給我我們把我們想要我們要做的事情可以把跟相關的時程提給委員第二個就我剛剛講當稅制成為你的工具之一在企業減碳的活動裡面這些所謂的投資\n\n10\n00:03:38,502 --> 00:03:38,642\n議員提供\n\n11\n00:03:57,898 --> 00:04:15,767\n近林碳排氣候邊遷不會只是環境部的工作財政部作為稅制的主管機關他應該有相當的武器相當的工具可以來協助更多的企業在產業轉型上面在近林碳排上面而不是只是單純等環境部提出需求\n\n12\n00:04:16,467 --> 00:04:42,009\n這件事情我相信部長以你的遠見應該可以往這個方向去做規劃另外產創條例的部分經濟部也正在考慮就是把這一部分引進去然後把有關投資抵減把它放進去我們也會一起參與那我想這個部分都是同樣的東西這個也納進來在你的未來稅制改革在氣候變遷跟企業抵減上面應該\n\n13\n00:04:42,890 --> 00:05:08,848\n有一個整套有一個只有環境部一個人在講這個部分麻煩也是是不是兩個禮拜之內也可以給我一個跟這個企業減稅投資抵減的部分有一個相關的規劃我們因為是產創條例是經濟部主政我們可以跟他聯繫以後看有什麼資料可以提供給委員我的意思是說財政部在金鈴碳排的路徑上\n\n14\n00:05:09,648 --> 00:05:35,234\n你可能要更主動一點你用你的稅制的工具可以協助各機關他們在這條道路上面成為一個因為你的稅制的幫助他的推動業務會更方便這第一個第二個就是今天有很多的公股航空都在現場我想部長我們現在在全世界的相關的比較裡面我們的\n\n15\n00:05:36,618 --> 00:05:45,648\n台灣的銀行目前為止目前有一個原則是金融控股公司的資產越大它是不是競爭力越強\n\n16\n00:05:47,787 --> 00:06:08,517\n當然目前來說國際間確實有大則恆大沒錯而且目前為止我們中華徵信所好像提出過臺灣的金控只需要9家然後呢我們現在所有的銀行都沒有辦法排到全球前百大主要是因為我們資產狀況\n\n17\n00:06:10,703 --> 00:06:16,727\n臺灣公股銀行的資產市佔率跟民營的金控差很多對吧所以國庫署是所以我們現在的公營的金控\n\n18\n00:06:37,145 --> 00:07:00,053\n我們有14間獲利前三名的都是民營也就是說公股銀行裡面表現最好是兆豐但是他的成績只有富光的一半部長如果照這樣的情況下我們的公營行庫不要說國際競爭了我們現在連國內競爭好像都已經輸了你有什麼樣的看法有什麼樣的解方\n\n19\n00:07:00,813 --> 00:07:08,116\n跟委員報告這有關獲利的部分我們也一直在督促我們的公股行庫能夠做努力所以不管是金控的雙引擎還有銀行的雙翅膀都希望他們在現有的一個強項裡面能夠再拓展另外一個強項然後提高獲利但是我們也不可否認的我們的公股行庫也擔負著相關的國家政策的一些任務比如說其他貸款所以公營行庫有不同的面向有不同的政策責任\n\n20\n00:07:28,323 --> 00:07:42,630\n但是同樣他還是必須要爭取到更多的獲利跟相關的市佔率那現在我們輸給民間的金控然後我們又不斷的推動民間的金控並金控\n\n21\n00:07:43,194 --> 00:07:57,639\n所以富邦併了日盛那我們的供應行庫就會可能又他就更大那我們的競爭力又會更弱這種狀況有沒有考慮過或者是說讓我們的供應行庫他有聯盟連線\n\n22\n00:08:00,629 --> 00:08:20,299\n各自不同的長處去做配搭甚至在保障員工權益的情況下考慮公共合併是委員說得很好就是因為其實公股、航股他們各有不同的強項各有不同的強項那跟他們長久以來的一個歷史跟一些專業的投注有關係對那可以做公共合併的我覺得是一個方向那至於公股\n\n23\n00:08:24,881 --> 00:08:50,714\n公共合併的部分我們認為這個就是要看雙方的一些企業文化經營策略還有優勢的復補及市場定位員工的安置以及據點的採摘等等要從各個面向來討論不管怎麼樣但是都必須要公開透明而且要符合市場的機制我想這個方向是要確定的從國內競爭的角度國際競爭的角度我們的公營的行庫還有公營的這個金控我們的\n\n24\n00:08:51,975 --> 00:09:17,678\n國際財政部財政部的立場幫國家多賺點錢增加我們公營行庫的國際跟國內的競爭力可能會是財政部很重要的任務所以公共合併之前有討論過所以是不是也一樣給我一個目前我們針對所謂公營行庫公營金控我們有可能在不同的\n\n25\n00:09:18,539 --> 00:09:18,579\n主席\n\n26\n00:09:34,963 --> 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