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00:00:31,322\n在1月初的時候本席很訝異啊看到有這個平面媒體連兩天的報導都對訴發部都對您個人有很多的一個批評啊那尤其是這個是在我們不管講是說這個政治氛圍來講的話很多人都講說是不是唐鳳部長這個位置做得不太穩了不過本席\n\n3\n00:00:32,302 --> 00:00:58,757\n對於你們這些官派到底要誰留誰不留沒有那麼多的興趣我比較在乎的是當一天和尚教一天、挑一天鐘為人民服務我覺得這比較重要那其中我今天早上看到你有接受媒體報導還是那個詢問講說防詐已經有很多肯定速發布防詐很多肯定會不會覺得自己活在平行時空跟人民的距離太遠\n\n4\n00:01:00,157 --> 00:01:24,665\n我先想請教一下你知道去年的詐騙數跟詐騙量是創新高嗎?總體的增長已經到了歷年來最高的不管是財損數或是案件數那已經有那麼多的一個案件都持續的一個升高的一個情況下你說有很多肯定你的利基點來源是哪裡?\n\n5\n00:01:25,595 --> 00:01:43,270\n就是我們所主管的電商的部份有做民調嗎?電商的部份已經連續5個月沒有出現在165的高分前賣市有沒有民調、人民的感受還是說你的利基點在哪裡?還是說就是在同溫層裡面大家都說哇部長好棒棒\n\n6\n00:01:43,550 --> 00:01:59,208\n我們是在用165的通報訊息那是一個客觀的數據就是我們主管的電商或遊戲點數或什麼都大幅下降甚至高風險賣場是歸零欸不是我們現在講的是說很多肯定啊我想要問的是肯定是別人給你的還是你自己評估給自己的\n\n7\n00:02:01,730 --> 00:02:13,605\n國人對於速發部我就說了從過去到現在我們一直強調每次提到速發部這一點我們不想講但是國人每次提到速發部你要不要問問看民間或說問一下你不是童文成的朋友\n\n8\n00:02:15,154 --> 00:02:30,782\n問一下一般的老百姓訴發部一年多了將近兩年的時間了你對於訴發部最有感的政策是哪一個你知道訴發部最近過去推的這前十大的政策是什麼你知道訴發部最近做了什麼事情\n\n9\n00:02:31,522 --> 00:02:52,028\n現在很多會說要不要去做一下要不要去不要再自我感覺良好了要不要自己真的好好的離開辦公室真的走入民間每一個政務官都不是神每一個政務官都不是說自己在位那一天就高高在上然後只想聽自己想要聽的然後完全不管人民的心聲完全不管人民的感受\n\n10\n00:02:53,157 --> 00:03:17,322\n我覺得這才是今天部長本席為什麼今天一定要來跟您做一個質詢跟當面來跟你提醒就是因為我認為現在民進黨政府的官員最嚴重的事情就是每一個人都活在自己的平行時空裡面好像跟因為老百姓是脫節的當你看到是說今天新聞出來說速發布打詐大家很多肯定的時候你覺得人民心理感受是什麼\n\n11\n00:03:18,403 --> 00:03:25,334\n當他的那個詐騙的案件數越來越高當他的詐騙竟然越來越多當你生活周遭有沒有朋友被詐騙\n\n12\n00:03:27,712 --> 00:03:50,550\n您的生活周遭有沒有朋友被詐騙所以本席想要強調的就是不要自我感覺良好我覺得這一點才是最重要的事情這一點才是真真正正讓國人覺得是說沒有辦法接受不管我說實在話你說速發部今天編列預算3000萬要出國出差3000萬對於整體的這個預算來講\n\n13\n00:03:53,012 --> 00:03:53,032\n好﹗\n\n14\n00:04:22,332 --> 00:04:43,630\n不要讓20多萬則才回收一千多份你看光這個事情我就直覺覺得就是人民都對於這個簡訊都不敢點開啦部長自己也講了嘛20多萬則明明是我們官方發出的20多萬則才回收一千多則你都好意思拿出來講我都不好意思說了目前陸續在回收回收率多少有沒有算過\n\n15\n00:04:44,130 --> 00:05:11,481\n這就代表是說國人都對於這種簡訊都覺得很莫名簡訊來路不明的簡訊都不敢點開了結果部長居然洋洋自喜站在這裡覺得是說這個是一個政績部長本期真的很希望因為數位發展部是當初我們也期待的部會但是快兩年的時間如果說這樣的話我真的對於數位發展部以及對你的去留我感到非常的擔憂\n\n16\n00:05:12,881 --> 00:05:38,791\n部長最後一分鐘的時間我只是簡單請教一個問題我之前有看過北市警說採購相關的這個密錄器配中國電線那速發部說零組件各單位自行評估這是2023年算不算核心元件這部分是那我想請教就到底說密錄器這一個部分這個是真的因為很多的產品其實都是MadeinChina\n\n17\n00:05:39,291 --> 00:05:53,357\n這無庸置疑因為畢竟很多時候會有那有些時候採購的時候我們那時候也有討論過說有資安疑慮的比如說螢幕、顯示器如果說它真的是MadeinChina那到底會不會如果說它沒有通訊的一個功能它沒有連接斷網可以使用\n\n18\n00:05:56,058 --> 00:06:18,297\n那他到底會不會有自然疑慮?就是在斷網的情況下使用的話可以阻絕大部分的供給但是我們還是希望他盡快的來汰換啦是那我想請教說那到底就有一些電子產品好那不要講說螢幕的部分講說有些電子產品他根本沒有就是連接網路的設備沒有通訊的設備沒有通訊的功能那個東西會不會有自然疑慮?\n\n19\n00:06:19,006 --> 00:06:47,477\n如果他是會附著透過USB附著在電腦上等等那個就有額外的可能性但如果他是完全斷網使用的話比較不會從外面被攻擊對我現在講就是說如果說這一個產品他是譬如說像密錄器錄影的部分他是只有錄影他沒有任何的這個連接的功能沒有任何的傳輸的功能會不會有自愛疑慮應該是如果是台灣的廠牌然後我們也能夠audit那個廠牌他所使用這一些你剛剛說這個PRC的零組件的狀況的話\n\n20\n00:06:48,584 --> 00:07:00,068\n這一部分我們要去看他到底有沒有自己接上通訊功能的可能性。這是對岸來判斷。我們現在建議就是說要先確定說他不會被境外敵人實力實質控制。謝謝。我們再說明說明。接受人民的請願、接受人民的聲音、瞭解地方的需求。我覺得這才是數發部現在應該要做的事情。謝謝。\n\n21\n00:07:18,155 --> 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China\n這無庸置疑因為畢竟很多時候會有那有些時候採購的時候我們那時候也有討論過說有資安疑慮的比如說螢幕、顯示器如果說它真的是Made in China那到底會不會如果說它沒有通訊的一個功能它沒有連接斷網可以使用\n那他到底會不會有自然疑慮?就是在斷網的情況下使用的話可以阻絕大部分的供給但是我們還是希望他盡快的來汰換啦是那我想請教說那到底就有一些電子產品好那不要講說螢幕的部分講說有些電子產品他根本沒有就是連接網路的設備沒有通訊的設備沒有通訊的功能那個東西會不會有自然疑慮?\n如果他是會附著透過USB附著在電腦上等等那個就有額外的可能性但如果他是完全斷網使用的話比較不會從外面被攻擊對我現在講就是說如果說這一個產品他是譬如說像密錄器錄影的部分他是只有錄影他沒有任何的這個連接的功能沒有任何的傳輸的功能會不會有自愛疑慮應該是如果是台灣的廠牌然後我們也能夠audit那個廠牌他所使用這一些你剛剛說這個PRC的零組件的狀況的話\n這一部分我們要去看他到底有沒有自己接上通訊功能的可能性。這是對岸來判斷。我們現在建議就是說要先確定說他不會被境外敵人實力實質控制。謝謝。我們再說明說明。接受人民的請願、接受人民的聲音、瞭解地方的需求。我覺得這才是數發部現在應該要做的事情。謝謝。\n數位部跟洪委員來說明清楚。謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.109 --> 00:02.331\n請唐鳳部長。請唐部長。好,部長好。部長。\n\n00:10.307 --> 00:31.322\n在1月初的時候本席很訝異啊看到有這個平面媒體連兩天的報導都對訴發部都對您個人有很多的一個批評啊那尤其是這個是在我們不管講是說這個政治氛圍來講的話很多人都講說是不是唐鳳部長這個位置做得不太穩了不過本席\n\n00:32.302 --> 00:58.757\n對於你們這些官派到底要誰留誰不留沒有那麼多的興趣我比較在乎的是當一天和尚教一天、挑一天鐘為人民服務我覺得這比較重要那其中我今天早上看到你有接受媒體報導還是那個詢問講說防詐已經有很多肯定速發布防詐很多肯定會不會覺得自己活在平行時空跟人民的距離太遠\n\n01:00.157 --> 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