{"id":149600,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149600","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e7383c0ce4a703cc675f4c96217c1ac2d230da91660cc9cbf8ba9b0039caa7a6de874dfe7e2ce6335ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"黃健豪","委員發言時間":"10:26:58 - 10:57:49","影片長度":"00:30:51","會議時間":"2024-03-08T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"第11屆第1會期第4次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。\n二、3月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 \n三、3月12日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"立法院第11屆第1會期第4次會議","id":"院會-11-1-4","type":"院會","term":11,"sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":4},"date":"2024-03-08","duration":1851,"end_time":"2024-03-08T10:57:49+08:00","start_time":"2024-03-08T10:26:58+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":599,"blocks":[["黃委員健豪：（10時27分）謝謝主席。今天先請院長備詢。"],["主席：麻煩請陳院長備詢。"],["陳院長建仁：黃委員早，恭喜你當選立委！"],["黃委員健豪：謝謝院長，院長早。院長，今天是國際三八婦女節，所以本席今天也贈送了在場的女性閣員一束花，並祝賀所有女性國人、婦女同胞，婦女節快樂！當然，今天也是性平三法修正後全面施行上路的首日，行政院在推行修法上也付出許多努力，我昨天有看到院長的一些影片，所以我現在也要送院長一束花，感謝行政團隊在這段期間對於性平三法的付出。"],["陳院長建仁：這件事也要謝謝大院，大院很快的通過了性平三法，所以立法、行政合作可以達到很好的目標。謝謝、感恩！"],["黃委員健豪：回到主題，今天既然是性平三法第一天上路，談到性平，行政院當然是引導各部會在擬定政策計劃跟措施的時候，都要來融入所謂性平的觀點，也要定期進行相關的輔導、考核，包含院長，我也是你的粉絲，我昨天看到你的網路平臺上面有發布一支影片也提到，在性平的議題上面，公部門也應該作為表率，公部門帶領、作為表率之後，各部會、各單位才能做好。但是我們如果去看一下行政院性平委員會的評鑑報告，我們來看看過去這2年期間，行政院各部會的性平成績怎麼樣。院長，我們看一下成績，在32個受評鑑的各部會裡面，有11個單位要嘛乙等、要嘛連續2年乙等，還有不列等的，不列等是什麼意思呢？不列等就是連乙等都不到，乾脆先不評鑑。看到這個成績，院長昨天在影片上面提到希望公部門能作為性平三法的表率，院長看到這樣子的成績，你有什麼樣的想法？"],["陳院長建仁：我想公部門確實應該作為民間機構的表率，對於不列等的這一些，我想我們要來瞭解它的原因，但是我們一定會努力來做好性平的業務，各個部會都要努力來加強，即使是優等以上的也要再繼續精進。"],["黃委員健豪：院長，謝謝。我們期待性平三法上路之後，本來這些不列等的或是本來連續兩年乙等的，明年在評鑑的時候能夠有明確的改善，你們做得到嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：我們會督促各個部會加緊努力，因為這是全國都要做的，而且更重要的是公部門確實應該作為私部門的表率，我們來努力。"],["黃委員健豪：院長，謝謝。","接下來我要跟院長探討臺中的捷運建設，我作為臺中選出來的區域立委，特別重視臺中的捷運建設。整體來說，我們當然希望臺中的捷運能夠加速核定、增加補助。臺中捷運現在最重要的工程是藍線，2014年第一次送出可行性報告，到今年1月終於核定所謂的綜合規劃報告，中間歷時將近10年的時間。院長跟部長，我要在這邊先簡單的跟你們拜託，從第一階段所謂的可行性規劃到綜合規劃報告的核定，這個叫做書面審查，光是文書來來往往就將近10年的時間。核定之後，院長之前在受訪的時候講過，中央、地方一起合作，這條捷運動工還要再10年，再10年真的等太久，因為光前面的文書作業就將近10年，後面如果再蓋10年，10年後很多民眾都等不到了，他等了一輩子終於等到核定，但是還要再等10年，如果中間又經歷一些物價波動、政策調整，我想這個對臺中人真的非常不公平！院長容我再提醒一下，院長之前在受訪的時候也講過，過去捷運藍線因為有許多爭議，所以來來往往耽誤了一些時間，但在我們看到最終核定的結果，不管是經費上、路線上、站體設置上，似乎跟2023年4月18號交通部函轉行政院審查的站點、路線，甚至經費，其實沒有什麼太大的更動。我要拜託院長未來行政院在審查相關業務的時候，還是以尊重交通部的專業為主。"],["龔主任委員明鑫：事實上，交通部送來是去年4月18號，您的簡報也有……"],["黃委員健豪：對，經歷286天。"],["龔主任委員明鑫：對，但是送到行政院來的時候，我們利用最短的時間，雖然中間有一些些疑慮，也透過交通部跟市政府做了溝通、討論，釐清以後就很快的核定。至少在行政院這個部分，我們……"],["黃委員健豪：我就這樣講，希望釐清的速度能夠快一點。既然交通部審查通過，我相信部長很專業，審查委員也專業，大家都很專業，送到行政院，如果經費上沒有太大問題、錢也夠，就趕快同意、趕快蓋。"],["陳院長建仁：我請部長簡單再說明一下。"],["王部長國材：事實上，國發會審查也提出很好的提醒，就是沙鹿鐵路高架跟它的關係……"],["黃委員健豪：沒關係，這段細節我知道，我們就不用在這邊討論了，我們只是拜託未來早點討論。"],["王部長國材：這部分後來……"],["陳院長建仁：專業考量……"],["龔主任委員明鑫：市政府也跟我們有很好的溝通。"],["黃委員健豪：沒關係。這個東西已經翻頁了，過去就算了！我們只是希望未來……"],["陳院長建仁：委員關心未來……"],["黃委員健豪：效率上能夠來提升……"],["陳院長建仁：未來還是中央跟地方……"],["黃委員健豪：對，拜託！"],["陳院長建仁：一定要好好合作才有辦法加速。"],["黃委員健豪：一直講好好合作，進到下一個階段。既然要開始動工了，我們之前在記者會上及與各部會的溝通提過，臺中捷運看起來地方的負擔比例比較高、工程時間比較長，為什麼我會這樣講？因為在交通部當初那一份紙本報告裡面，全國各地有12+6條捷運建設陸陸續續都在興建，本席也看了那份報告，多數捷運興建的速度、期程都相對比較快一點，臺中捷運地方負擔比例比較高、工程時間比較拉長，當然這是牽涉到你們說的各縣市政府的財力不同，所以有這樣的差別。但是我們來看各地方政府的自償率跟非自償經費的補助比例表，財政級次一級的是臺北市，二級的是臺中跟新北，桃園、臺南、高雄屬於三級。從這一份比例表，我們會發覺一件事情，院長，好像財政能力越好的地方，政府得到的補助反而比較少，這會不會變相鼓勵大家在財政上不用太積極，反正中央會補助，如果很積極地改善了地方財政，但因為你相對經濟比較寬裕，所以中央在軌道建設上、在捷運建設上的補助就比較少？","當然，財政劃分的部分是依據地方制度法跟財政收支劃分法，但財政收支劃分法和地方制度法有一個落差，地方制度法從民國88年以後到現在，經歷了14次的修正；財政收支劃分法從民國88年到現在，一次都沒有修，所以依據這兩套法律定出的分級標準，一個法律是已經變了14次，而另一個法律卻都還沒有修過。部長，我今天不是要討論財政收支劃分法的整體規劃，這個以後我們再跟你討論，我們今天先針對捷運的部分，我要拜託院長，是不是可能往這個方向來修正，即同不同意財政收支劃分法跟分級制度應該要有所調整，不應該在地方財政改善好之後，受到的補助反而變得更少。院長，你怎麼看？"],["陳院長建仁：財政劃分法剛才您也提過，這確實有討論過好多次，但是都沒有通過，這裡面原因很多，最近財政部已經定出六項原則，我想我們再作通盤的考慮。不過在這裡也要跟委員報告，自償率的部分當時已經是這樣定下來，剛才你前一個表提到臺中負擔比例比較高，實際上是自償的部分你也放在裡面，而自償本來就是地方政府會從這裡得到一些收入，所以這個58%的部分，我想應該要考慮到自償的部分。"],["黃委員健豪：好，院長，當然沒問題啦！如果說自償比例比較高，當然地方政府會需要負擔一些，但是我們提到的是工程面，在第一階段的工程面，像興建費用，我簡單說明，我當過臺中市議員，我們一年的財政預算大概是2,000億，但是蓋一條藍線，當然它是分梯次，但是占臺中市政府的預算比例是蠻高的，一年預算才2,000億，蓋一條捷運，臺中市就要負擔一千多億，我想這個對臺中市的財政一定會有很大的困難……"],["朱主計長澤民：跟委員報告……"],["黃委員健豪：但對中央政府而言，比例則沒有很高，所以我們希望在這個比例上，是不是能夠多照顧、多提升臺中捷運的建設？"],["陳院長建仁：我們請主計長簡單講一下。"],["朱主計長澤民：跟委員報告，有關政府財力升級，主計總處跟各地方政府有一個協調，以臺中市來講，他的財力有第三級，因為努力由第三級變成第二級，所以我們有給他3億元的獎勵金……"],["黃委員健豪：3億元喔！欸！捷運1,000億呢，你給我3億元！"],["朱主計長澤民：第1年1.5億，第2年1億，第3年0.5億，而且我們已經在撥款中，謝謝。"],["黃委員健豪：好啦！主計長，謝謝啦！沒關係啦！3億實在不太夠啦！針對捷運建設本身，我們還是希望經費上能夠有比較明顯的增加，來補貼、補助地方財政。我想臺中的人口非常非常多……"],["龔主任委員明鑫：是，報告委員，如果有自償的部分，他將來會有收入，所以我們為什麼鼓勵地方政府多開發自償的部分，自償如果增加，我們的補助也會提高。您剛剛有一個表，第二個表那邊就可以看到，所以我們也是鼓勵自償。事實上，臺中因為都市比較繁榮，所以他自償比較高，而我們在補助的比例上，同一個級距之下，也是補助比較多，邏輯是這樣子。"],["黃委員健豪：好，沒關係，後續還有其他線，藍線就先這樣子。接下來我們看橘線，臺中巨蛋在下禮拜一要正式準備動工興建，3月11日即將動工，捷運橘線2023年9月14日可行性研究也報部審查，我想請問院長還有部長，如果3月11日動工，蓋巨蛋需要時間，而臺中捷運橘線相關站體也會經過這個地方，我們有沒有可能期待未來臺中的捷運橘線審查能夠加速？不要像我剛剛提到的，光藍線啊！送進去是2014年，出來已是2024年了；2023年橘線送院裡審查、送部裡審查，會不會到2033年這個捷運橘線才會通過行政院的核定，又過了10年？"],["陳院長建仁：可行性研究的過程，如果路線規劃得合適，當然交通部的審查會比較快，如果審查有一些意見，當然會回到市政府去，市政府也要趕快回復。你剛才講得很好，就是中央和地方一定都要加緊程序，如果地方有稍微延擱，可行性研究也會比較長。關於這個部分，我請交通部來簡單說一下。"],["王部長國材：跟委員報告，事實上我們在今年1月23號已經把意見給臺中市政府，主要意見就是橘線跟藍線是共用系統，它們共用龍井機廠。它的構軌有一點問題，就是怎麼轉到藍線這個部分，所以我們從技術上給它一些建議，它送上來我們就按照相關行政程序趕快來審查。"],["陳院長建仁：所以委員你現在可以請地方政府也趕快研議。"],["黃委員健豪：我們都會一起啦，雙方都要加速研議，我在這邊也要拜託儘速進入實質審查，就是要文件往返少一點，大家趕快見面談一談，把有爭議的地方趕快談完，針對有問題的地方，技術面、工程面兩邊都有專家，現場如果能夠把它談完，趕快解決，就不用公文往返這麼多次。我想過去不管是捷運藍線也好，還是捷運綠線也好，都是因為書面的公文往返上面有一些延宕，大家各自有各自的意見、各自有各自的專業，當然過去的事情可以當作經驗，未來我們希望這種公文往返的程序能夠少一點，這也是民眾對於行政院、對於政府部門效率的期待。大家常常在談臺灣的公共工程，為什麼做一條捷運或做一項公共工程要拖這麼久？就像我剛剛提到的，如果光書面審查都要過10年……我想工程它有硬體的限制，沒辦法，它可能真的要花點時間；但是在書面審查上，文字的來往、技術的交換，如果能夠比10年更短、壓縮得更快的話，我想對於臺灣許多重大建設才有幫助。","接下來要提到的一樣是臺中的捷運，臺中捷運正在努力發展當中，有一條捷運綠線延伸到大坑，我今天也要來跟部長及院長確認一件事情，因為先前在媒體上面有二種不同的說法，一種是說捷運綠線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00:02:59,143\n昨天影片上面真的提到說希望說我們公部門作為這個信憑三法的表率那院長看到這樣子的成績你有什麼樣的想法我想公部門確實應該作為民間機構的這個表率那這一個不列等的這一些我想我們要來了解它的原因但是我們一定會努力的\n\n8\n00:02:59,983 --> 00:03:17,733\n來做好這個信評的這樣的業務各個部會都要努力來加強即使是優等以上的我們也要再繼續精進。好,院長謝謝我們期待信評三法上路之後本來這些不列等的或是本來連續兩年一等的明年在評鑑的時候是不是能夠有個明確的改善?院長你們做得到嗎?\n\n9\n00:03:18,373 --> 00:03:34,867\n好,我們回來督促各個部會來加緊努力,因為這是全國都要做的,而且更重要的確實空部門應該作為事務部門的表率。好,院長謝謝。接下來我要跟院長來探討我們台中的捷運建設,\n\n10\n00:03:39,892 --> 00:04:04,223\n我們作為臺中選出來的區議員我們特別地重視臺中的捷運建設整體來說我們當然希望臺中的捷運能夠加速合併增加補助我們看到臺中捷運現在最重要的工程是藍線2014年第一次來送出這個可行性報告到今年1月終於來合併所謂的綜合股票報告中間歷時了將近10年的時間\n\n11\n00:04:06,864 --> 00:04:34,161\n院長跟部長在這邊,我要在這邊先簡單的跟你們拜託,從書面審查,從第一階段的所謂的可敵性規劃到綜合規劃報告的核定,這個叫做書面審查。光是書面、文書來來往往,就將近10年的時間。合定之後,院長之前在受訪的時候也講過,因為中央地方一起合作,這條捷運動工還要再10年。\n\n12\n00:04:35,041 --> 00:04:51,051\n所以我們當然希望在10年真的等太久因為光前面的文書作業就將近了10年後面如果再蓋10年真的是10年後我想很多這個民眾也等都等不到他等了一輩子終於等到核定但是他還要再等10年\n\n13\n00:04:51,471 --> 00:05:18,044\n如果中間又經歷過一些物價波動、政策調整,我想這個對台中人真的非常的不公平。但院長我也要容我再提醒一下,院長之前在受訪的時候也講過說過去捷運南線是因為有許多爭議的部分,所以大家來往往的耽誤了一些時間。但是在我們看到的最終核定的結果,不管是經費上、路線上、站體設置上,似乎\n\n14\n00:05:18,584 --> 00:05:20,385\n報言事實上交通部送來是去年的4月18日\n\n15\n00:05:45,201 --> 00:06:02,927\n您這邊也有嘛,所以我們...對啊,就經歷286天啊。對對,但是後來行政院來的時候,我們利用最短的時間內,中間有一些些疑慮啦,那也透過交通部跟市政府這邊有做了溝通討論,那釐清以後就很快的核定。好,那我就這樣講嘛,希望這個釐清的速度會快一點。\n\n16\n00:06:04,748 --> 00:06:26,255\n因為既然交通部審查通過,我相信部長很專業,審查委員也專業,大家都很專業,送到行政院,如果經費上沒有太大問題,錢也夠,就趕快同意,趕快幹。我們請部長簡單再說一下。我想國安會事實上審查也提供一個很好的提醒,就是我們殺戮鐵路高架跟他的關係。沒關係,這段細節我知道,我們就不用再討論了。我們只是拜託未來早點討論。專業考量。對,溝通了。\n\n17\n00:06:32,777 --> 00:06:36,401\n我們之前在記者會上在各個部會公路上面我們也提過\n\n18\n00:06:57,701 --> 00:07:22,378\n這個臺中的捷運看起來地方的負擔比例比較高,工程時間比較長。為什麼會這樣講?因為在交通部的這個業務報告裡面當初那一份紙本的文件裡面有12加6條,12加6條全國各地的捷運建設陸陸續續都在興建。那本席也看了那份報告,去多數的捷運的速度興建的期程相對的都相對比較快一點。\n\n19\n00:07:22,958 --> 00:07:41,608\n那台中的這個結餘地方負擔比例比較高工程時間比較拉長當然這是牽涉到你們說這是各縣市的政府政府的財政財力不同所以有這樣的這個轉變但是我們來看到這個下一頁我們看到各地方政府的自償率跟非自償經費的補助比例表啊\n\n20\n00:07:43,356 --> 00:07:55,651\n一級的財政是臺北市二級的話臺中跟新北桃園、台南、高雄屬於三級在這一份的財力分配表上面我們會覺得一件事情院長\n\n21\n00:07:57,227 --> 00:08:23,320\n好像財政能力越好的地方政府得到的補助反而會比較少這會變相的有一種鼓勵大家財政上不用太積極反正中央會補助而如果積極的改善了我們地方的財政但是因為你相對經濟比較寬裕所以說中央在軌道建設上面在捷運建設上面的補助比較少那當然這個財政劃分的部分是依據這個\n\n22\n00:08:25,481 --> 00:08:47,744\n地方制度法跟這個財政收支劃分法那這個財政收支劃分法跟地方制度法有一個落差地方制度法從這個民國88年以後到現在激勵了14次的修正14次那財政收支劃分法從民國88年到現在一次都沒有修所以依據這兩套法律定出來的分期的標準\n\n23\n00:08:49,070 --> 00:09:04,497\n一句這樣法律定出來的分析標準一個法律已經變了14次了一個法律都還沒有修過今天部長我今天沒有要討論這個財政收支劃分法的這個整體的規劃這個以後我們再來跟討論我們今天先針對捷運的部分這是我要拜託院長\n\n24\n00:09:05,217 --> 00:09:21,835\n是不是可能往這個方向來修正?同不同意財政收支劃分法跟這個分級制度應該要有所調整?不應該說我地方財政的改善好之後我反而我受到的補助變得更少?院長你怎麼看?我想財政劃分法剛才您也提過齁那這個確實\n\n25\n00:09:22,756 --> 00:09:24,978\n臺中負擔比例比較高。臺中負擔比例比較高。臺中負擔比例比較高。\n\n26\n00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:58,569\n議員長當然沒問題啦,如果說市場比例比較高,當然地方政府會需要負擔一些,但是我們提到是工程面,在第一階段工程面,像這個新建費我簡單說明一下,\n\n27\n00:10:13,064 --> 00:10:34,247\n臺中市我當過議員我們一年的財政的這個預算大概兩千億但是該條藍線當然他是分梯次但是這占臺中市政府的這個這個比例蠻高的一年預算才兩千億該條捷運臺中市就要負擔一千多億我想這個對臺中市的財政的確是會有一定很大程度的困難但這個對中央政府啊我想這不是\n\n28\n00:10:34,787 --> 00:10:35,007\n主席董事長\n\n29\n00:10:59,551 --> 00:11:24,962\n有給他3億元的獎勵金,分3億,第一年1.5,第二年1億,第三年0.5,而且我們已經在撥款中,謝謝。好啦,主席長,謝謝啦,沒關係啦,3億實在是不太夠啦,我還是希望我們針對捷運建設本身,我還是希望經費上能夠有比較明顯的這個增加來補貼,來補助這地方財政,我想台中的人口非常非常的多啊。\n\n30\n00:11:25,482 --> 00:11:45,602\n對因為報告委員如果有自償的部分他就將來會有收入所以我們是為什麼鼓勵地方政府都開發自償的部分所以在自償如果增加的話我們補助也會提高您剛剛有一個表那邊就可以看到所以我們也是鼓勵自償那因為台中他的自償事實上他\n\n31\n00:11:49,240 --> 00:12:14,837\n所以我們在補助的這個比例,同一個級距之下也是有補助比較多。沒關係,這個我後續還有其他線,藍線先這樣子,那接下來我們看到這個橘線,我想這個台中在下禮拜一要來巨蛋要來正式的來準備動工興建,台中3月11即將動工,那這個捷運橘線2023年的9月14號也送進了這個可能性研究來報部審查,\n\n32\n00:12:16,378 --> 00:12:35,863\n我們想問的是,院長還有我們部長,如果3月11要動工,那巨蛋蓋也需要時間,那這個臺中捷運局線,它也會經過相關的這個站體,也會經過這個地方,所以我們有沒有可能期待的是未來臺中在捷運局線上面,它的審查能夠加速,不要再像是我剛剛提到的,當藍線送進去2014年,出來2024年了,\n\n33\n00:12:39,384 --> 00:13:08,702\n今年是2024年,2023年的時候局限送到院理審查,送到部理審查,會不會到2033年這個捷運局限才會通過行政院核定,因為過了10年。可行性研究的過程,如果路線規劃的合適,那交通部當然會審查,審查會比較快,那如果審查有一些意見,那當然會回去到市政府,市政府也要趕快回覆,所以這個是,你剛才講的很好,就是中央地方一定都要加緊程序,\n\n34\n00:13:09,122 --> 00:13:23,278\n如果地方有稍微嚴苛也會可行性也會比較長那這個部分我請交通部來說簡單說一下我們事實上9月14號我們在今年的1月23號已經把意見給台中市政府\n\n35\n00:13:24,199 --> 00:13:39,979\n主要的意見就是說橘線跟藍線是共用系統,然後共用龍井機場,它的購軌有一點問題,怎麼轉到藍線這個部分,所以我們從技術上給他一些建議,那他送上來我們就按照行政程序趕快來審查。\n\n36\n00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:58,533\n所以現在委員你可以請地方政府也趕快研議。我們都會請啦,雙方那邊要研議加速,這邊也要拜託進入實質審查。文件往返少一點,大家趕快見面談一談,把有爭議的地方趕快談完,有問題的地方\n\n37\n00:13:59,674 --> 00:14:28,831\n技術面、工程面兩邊都有專家現場如果能夠把台灣趕快解決就不用公文往返這麼多事因為想過去不管是捷運藍線也好還是捷運綠線也好都是因為書面的往返公文上面有一些這個延宕所以大家各自有各自的意見各自有各自的專業當然這過去當作經驗未來我們希望這種往返公文往返的程序能夠少一點這也是民眾對於行政院對政府部門的期待對政府部門的效率的期待\n\n38\n00:14:29,531 --> 00:14:45,689\n因為這個在臺灣的公共工程為什麼做一條捷運或是做一條公共工程要拖這麼久就像我剛剛提到的如果說書面審查都要過10年我想這工程它是有硬體的限制沒辦法它可能真的要花點時間但是書面審查上面文字的來往\n\n39\n00:14:46,189 --> 00:14:46,389\n﹚黃健豪﹚\n\n40\n00:15:08,004 --> 00:15:33,595\n在這個媒體上面有兩種不同的說法一種是說這個捷運綠線延伸到這個大坑需要同步完成張東的擴大都市計畫的核定但後來又講說核定可行性研究後未來就是現在啦現在綜合規劃不會受到彰化段的影響所以如果審定就可以進行下一階段我想要在這個大院裡面來確定一件事情到底\n\n41\n00:15:35,136 --> 00:15:45,733\n結綠線延伸大坑的部分有沒有要配合延伸到彰化的那個彰多都市企劃區還是以及兩段可以分開的同步的進行?\n\n42\n00:15:47,238 --> 00:16:14,559\n我想彰化縣政府也很積極的希望跟臺中市政府這一邊一起把這一條綠線來完成。所以我們希望在綜合規劃核定之前這個張東的這個部分就要來決定好他的擴大都市計畫。那這個部分實際上彰化縣政府的縣長也很積極在推動。所以我們目前的\n\n43\n00:16:16,180 --> 00:16:38,517\n規劃的情況,預計的情形是你上面的那一個。所以要等?對,基本上我們也希望彰化縣政府能夠加緊腳步,因為在整個綜合規劃的過程當中,如果前面那一段做好了,後面那一段沒有的話,那整個的介紹的經費等等規劃的情況,還有怎麼樣劃分那一個兩邊的捷運的經費,\n\n44\n00:16:47,323 --> 00:17:05,152\n院長我確認一下你的說法,所以你意思說在現階段以捷運綠線延伸到大坑和彰化這兩段,他是要必須等待彰東都市計畫完成之後我才能夠進行綜合規劃嗎?不是不是,綜合規劃核定前要做完,綜合規劃就是現在大家都在規劃,差不多就一年嘛。\n\n45\n00:17:07,973 --> 00:17:33,530\n發言委員就是原則上因為可行性分析是整段合併所以原則上應該是整段的綜合規劃送上來我們來審但是也不排除必要的時候但是這個還是要審查是否可以把它切成兩段來做綜合審查在時程上面我們當然希望盡快的來審查這個相關的所以說我們也要來拜託總統管政部要考慮\n\n46\n00:17:38,073 --> 00:18:01,486\n來我們看到為什麼今天特別要提把捷運放在我這個重要的這個職區裡面我給大家看一下這個人口結構我想院長你根據你的這個財產申報你的這個住家應該是位在所謂中正區那在全台灣的人口比例上面我排除了前20名人口密度高的這個地區以行政區來劃分前20名不管在新北在高雄在台北\n\n47\n00:18:03,010 --> 00:18:14,577\n這些都會區都是人口密集區。臺中在全國前20名人口密集區也佔了3個。但是什麼特點呢?就是前20名的其他城市它都有捷運建設。\n\n48\n00:18:15,677 --> 00:18:15,877\n拜託院長\n\n49\n00:18:38,973 --> 00:18:54,673\n未來在這個施政上面雖然你一直強調說你5月19就要離職啦但是我想希望這個政策如同你講的行政院的工作不會停下來一棒接一棒所以未來行政院的政策上面在捷運政策上是不是能夠多照顧我們台中市不管經費上也好\n\n50\n00:18:56,394 --> 00:19:24,361\n我想站在中央政府的立場我們是照顧所有的22縣市的交通的建設但是臺中因為他捷運的建設的比較晚所以現在要增加的部分一定會相對於已經像臺北市新北市會來的更多那我們按照這個評估以後就好像你這樣很好的評估以後我們會來看哪一個地方需要再加強我們一定會我們落後很多啦所以拜託好不好\n\n51\n00:19:24,801 --> 00:19:51,433\n好,接下來有一個實事題要來請教一下我們院長。這個現在我們這個健保費,對不起不是健保費,醫療的光耗費要漲,電費要漲,那我想三月的CPI指數也不是很好看,那我想預計下週也要來召開所謂的物價的會議。我想問一下院長,會不會在520之前把該漲的全部漲一漲,或者是院長能不能跟民眾跟國人來報告,\n\n52\n00:19:52,634 --> 00:20:05,850\n到底從現在開始到520之前還有什麼要漲要不要一次預告完讓這個市場上預期心理不要一直今天說要漲電價我先調一次改天說要漲掛號費我再調一次後天又說要漲別的價錢再調一次\n\n53\n00:20:09,209 --> 00:20:38,193\n我問你之前,因為現在看起來好像我問你之前該漲會全部把它漲完,那我問你之前還有什麼要漲,院長可以跟這邊大家報告一下。我想這個括號會說是要漲,不完全正確啦,實際上這個...部分正確啦,部分正確啦。對啦,部分正確,因為衛福部他只是把上限拿開,然後呢地方政府、地方衛生局不必要做這一個審查報備的工作,但是呢現在有很多的像五大的這個醫院的\n\n54\n00:20:38,933 --> 00:20:56,662\n這一個協會也說他們不會這一個調漲的部分。院長這新聞上的解釋很多我都有看,但是我現在就確認不管是掛號費的解封也好,電價即將可能上漲也好,我現在問的是說520之前在你離職之前還會不會漲別的東西?\n\n55\n00:20:58,819 --> 00:21:12,132\n應該不會吧?應該不會還是不會?你講大宗物資在漲齁?大宗物資在漲,對啊大宗物資跟著電價可能要漲,所以期待所以我剛剛問說會漲什麼?是不是一次?\n\n56\n00:21:13,376 --> 00:21:40,272\n先預告清楚,市場上也不會有這麼事情的外販運行。現在國際間大宗物資是在往下的,是在往下,所以國內不會漲。確定,確定,這是黃小玉、黃鄧小麥。主委長謝謝齁,謝謝承諾,所以520之前不會漲了齁?所以我剛才才說大宗物資好像不是這樣啦。好沒關係,院長這個我們數字我們再確認一下,但是我們要得到你一個確認是說520之前是不是不會再漲?\n\n57\n00:21:41,472 --> 00:21:59,484\n我想520之前電費的這一個部分確實需要經過...除了電費跟像這個掛費即將解封之外嘛,現在民眾已經知道這兩件事情了,那還有什麼?還是沒有?對,那如果是公營事業的這個部分,沒有。我不能夠保證私營的...\n\n58\n00:22:01,305 --> 00:22:10,951\n議員長,接下來要跟他討論很多民眾有關心的我們社會住宅的政策問題。這個我想跟院長確認一個概念,先進國家的低標,社會住宅佔住宅整體存量應該達到15%這句話你認同嗎?\n\n59\n00:22:32,325 --> 00:22:55,214\n我想要看那個國家的土地的價格還有房屋的價格。那我國,我國就好,不管別人,我國。我想以5%是應該算是基本啦。好。那我看到現在的這個存量,現在全國社會住宅新辦的進度,這是從來自於內政部股東產資訊中心的統計,\n\n60\n00:22:57,255 --> 00:23:20,914\n實際上現在可以入住的是大概3萬戶左右,29182,大約3萬戶左右,所以距離我想至於5%還是有一段這個落差。那當然過去的事情一樣,我的立場是過去的事情就算了,我們就是過去大家努力,但未來要繼續來合作。我想從這個數字上來看,地方政府非常努力,中央政府有一點努力,但是還有一件事情,\n\n61\n00:23:21,994 --> 00:23:27,989\n除了中央政府跟地方政府來興建社會住宅之外有一條路徑我不知道各位還記不記得\n\n62\n00:23:29,943 --> 00:23:58,771\n住宅法是在民國100年施行公佈其中有一條叫做民間新建社會住宅我想請問一下院長你知不知道說這13年了民間新建社會住宅的數量有多少新建這個確實現在有民間新建社宅的這個部分那我們請內政部林部長來回答已經有一些很好的案例我有說新建喔我是在報數代管喔那個我跟委員來回覆民間新辦社會住宅的部分\n\n63\n00:23:59,606 --> 00:24:25,559\n目前是沒有了。不過我要講的是說社會住宅其實最重要的一個困難是在土地的取得。目前我們政府在興建社會住宅的時候現在其實都是用公家的一個土地所以土地的取得是一個先決的一個條件。這一部分我們在去年的時候也跟比如說包括\n\n64\n00:24:26,401 --> 00:24:27,305\n有一些宗教團體或社會福利團體\n\n65\n00:24:31,428 --> 00:24:56,190\n我們現在正主動積極的跟他們做聯繫,因為這個對象必須處理。謝謝,這些新聞上我也看到了,你們非常努力,我知道。我知道提醒說,除了公部門,不管中央地方之外,還有一條路徑叫做民間新辦。那怎麼樣鼓勵民間新辦,在各位在這個法令裡面,其中有一條我提醒大家,還有一個叫行政法人新辦社會住宅使用非公共土地,它可以獲得1.5倍容體獎勵,這或許就是一個方向。\n\n66\n00:24:58,892 --> 00:25:25,106\n為什麼民間不願意改?我想最明確的原因是他沒有誘因。沒有誘因我講坦白的公部門當然不用談論利潤不用談論這個利益的問題但是你要鼓勵民間興辦社會住宅住宅法裡面有這個相關的規定那要怎麼樣鼓勵民間興辦社會住宅如果今天行政法人有這樣子的榮基獎勵民間興辦你要給他多少的榮基獎勵你要給他多少的誘因我覺得這是接下來施政上面\n\n67\n00:25:25,606 --> 00:25:26,286\n這個當然是一個路徑,不過剛剛提到就是說\n\n68\n00:25:49,454 --> 00:25:51,416\n政府都有在研議考慮相關土地資源的一個合理使用。\n\n69\n00:26:15,151 --> 00:26:31,502\n好部長謝謝院長接下來還有別的題目時間不多了接下來這個想問一下院長還有跟我們在座的閣員有聽過這個故宮一百家的可以舉手一下嗎好都沒有\n\n70\n00:26:38,544 --> 00:26:41,428\n院長請問一下你有沒有帶手機在身上嗎?\n\n71\n00:26:41,428 --> 00:26:53,844\n有。院長我麻煩你可不可以搜尋一下Google100加這個幾個字。這個我搜尋一下。你搜尋看看。那你搜尋的結果跟我的搜尋結果有沒有一樣?\n\n72\n00:27:12,637 --> 00:27:35,246\n收訊的結果是不是都是北京故宮為主?顯示故宮一百家是故宮一百是中國大陸G2003以後﹖好,院長謝謝,院長沒關係。我要提出來的原因是什麼?因為這個故宮一百家是明年我們臺北故宮一百週年的活動系列活動的這個名稱。\n\n73\n00:27:36,758 --> 00:28:02,779\n所以今年已經2024年了明年台北故宮要滿100週年但是如果一個100週年的大活動來講理論上來講現在的行銷宣傳應該開始了但是這個故宮100家也是這個官方的名稱但到目前為止如果搜尋如果外國觀光客想要訂機票想要來了解台北故宮100週年的系列活動他用Google搜尋是找不到相關的紀錄的\n\n74\n00:28:04,847 --> 00:28:28,960\n我們提到我們來跟這個故宮也交過相關的資料回覆我們裡面也提到說明年一百週年包含說要展出什麼宋版畫西文雅集那這個都是之前就展過了那也提到說要去這個法國跟捷克來參展但是我昨天看這個故宮昨天在質詢的時候抱歉\n\n75\n00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:51,929\n昨天故宮在質詢的時候提到說這個去捷克參展是因為疫情的關係所以延後,那表示你等於在另外一個場合的回答,意思就是說這個跟100週年其實沒有明確的相關性。那故宮100週年理論上我們是應該吸引國人之外各國觀光客能夠來故宮來看所謂的故宮100年,有什麼樣的特展也好,有什麼樣的展品也好。\n\n76\n00:28:52,429 --> 00:29:05,863\n但是我們卻把這個所謂的去法國參展去捷克參展當成故宮100周年的這個系列活動之一。那就讓人家開玩笑講說那是不是故宮要鼓勵大家法捷首選行程保覽故宮百年院。\n\n77\n00:29:07,219 --> 00:29:35,872\n我想不是這樣。我想故宮跟世界上大的這些展示機構來合作實際上相當重要。比如說我們到日本去展示相關的故宮的這個古物以後,哇!很多的日客就會來到台灣。那到法國展出的時候也是一樣,因為我就有朋友從日本跟法國來。我想這也是其中的一部分,但是需要更大的加強。我想要強調的是例行性的去國外參展,我們非常支持。\n\n78\n00:29:36,292 --> 00:29:54,814\n但是到底故宮100週年的展覽,就像我剛剛提到了,昨天我們故宮在答詢的時候提到這個節課其實不是針對100啊,它是剛好明年100年。所以我希望在規劃100週年的時候能夠更細緻一點,包含說我們的參展觀光人數啊,最高峰的時候有達到529萬人。\n\n79\n00:29:57,217 --> 00:30:15,354\n去年是150多萬人,那你希望明年能夠達到250萬的觀光人口,來院人口,所以等於今年跟去年你要增加100萬,那這100萬到底哪來?我想這是非常嚴肅的話題,我們希望故宮100周年能夠把它辦好,可以嗎?\n\n80\n00:30:16,685 --> 00:30:42,266\n發言委員,我可以回答。發言委員,故宮一百的話基本上是我在去年一月上任之後我開始規劃的。那這個部分的話就從管事、大事記...跟黃委員報告,因為時間關係可不可以請故宮博物院送相關書面資料給您好嗎?好。\n\n81\n00:30:42,898 --> 00:30:46,370\n非常感謝黃委員健豪的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的答詢。接下來我們請登記第47號\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n13101\t18867\t好,謝謝主席。那今天先請我們院長備詢。麻煩請陳院長備詢。黃委員早,國慶禮當選立委。謝謝院長,院長早。院長今天是這個國際三八婦女節,所以本席今天也贈送了在場的女性閣員一束花。\n37922\t62349\t並祝賀所有女性的國人、婦女同胞、婦女節快樂。當然今天也是這個《性平三法》修正後全面施行的上路的首日。昨天行政院在推行修法上也付出許多努力。我昨天也看到這個院長的一些影片。所以待會院長我現在也要送你一束花感謝行政團隊在這個期間對於《性平三法》的付出。\n64111\t71388\t這件事也要謝謝大院,大院很快的通過了《性平商法》,所以立法行政合作可以達到很好的目標。謝謝。\n83680\t113460\t我想這個回到主題今天還是談到今天竟然是信憑三法第一天上路首日所以談到信憑行政院當然是引導各部會在擬定政策計劃跟措施的時候都要來融入所謂的信憑的觀點那也要定期的進行相關的輔導考核那包含院長我也是你的這個粉絲我昨天看到你的網路平台上面有發布一支影片也提到說在信憑這議題上面公部門也應該作為表率\n113680\t114841\t在32個受評鑑的相關單位裡面各部會裡面有11個單位\n143976\t143996\t委員長\n156988\t179143\t昨天影片上面真的提到說希望說我們公部門作為這個信憑三法的表率那院長看到這樣子的成績你有什麼樣的想法我想公部門確實應該作為民間機構的這個表率那這一個不列等的這一些我想我們要來了解它的原因但是我們一定會努力的\n179983\t197733\t來做好這個信評的這樣的業務各個部會都要努力來加強即使是優等以上的我們也要再繼續精進。好,院長謝謝我們期待信評三法上路之後本來這些不列等的或是本來連續兩年一等的明年在評鑑的時候是不是能夠有個明確的改善?院長你們做得到嗎?\n198373\t214867\t好,我們回來督促各個部會來加緊努力,因為這是全國都要做的,而且更重要的確實空部門應該作為事務部門的表率。好,院長謝謝。接下來我要跟院長來探討我們台中的捷運建設,\n219892\t244223\t我們作為臺中選出來的區議員我們特別地重視臺中的捷運建設整體來說我們當然希望臺中的捷運能夠加速合併增加補助我們看到臺中捷運現在最重要的工程是藍線2014年第一次來送出這個可行性報告到今年1月終於來合併所謂的綜合股票報告中間歷時了將近10年的時間\n246864\t274161\t院長跟部長在這邊,我要在這邊先簡單的跟你們拜託,從書面審查,從第一階段的所謂的可敵性規劃到綜合規劃報告的核定,這個叫做書面審查。光是書面、文書來來往往,就將近10年的時間。 合定之後,院長之前在受訪的時候也講過,因為中央地方一起合作,這條捷運動工還要再10年。\n275041\t291051\t所以我們當然希望在10年真的等太久因為光前面的文書作業就將近了10年後面如果再蓋10年真的是10年後我想很多這個民眾也等都等不到他等了一輩子終於等到核定但是他還要再等10年\n291471\t318044\t如果中間又經歷過一些物價波動、政策調整,我想這個對台中人真的非常的不公平。但院長我也要容我再提醒一下,院長之前在受訪的時候也講過說過去捷運南線是因為有許多爭議的部分,所以大家來往往的耽誤了一些時間。但是在我們看到的最終核定的結果,不管是經費上、路線上、站體設置上,似乎\n318584\t320385\t報言事實上交通部送來是去年的4月18日\n345201\t362927\t您這邊也有嘛,所以我們...對啊,就經歷286天啊。對對,但是後來行政院來的時候,我們利用最短的時間內,中間有一些些疑慮啦,那也透過交通部跟市政府這邊有做了溝通討論,那釐清以後就很快的核定。好,那我就這樣講嘛,希望這個釐清的速度會快一點。\n364748\t386255\t因為既然交通部審查通過,我相信部長很專業,審查委員也專業,大家都很專業,送到行政院,如果經費上沒有太大問題,錢也夠,就趕快同意,趕快幹。我們請部長簡單再說一下。我想國安會事實上審查也提供一個很好的提醒,就是我們殺戮鐵路高架跟他的關係。沒關係,這段細節我知道,我們就不用再討論了。我們只是拜託未來早點討論。專業考量。對,溝通了。\n392777\t396401\t我們之前在記者會上在各個部會公路上面我們也提過\n417701\t442378\t這個臺中的捷運看起來地方的負擔比例比較高,工程時間比較長。為什麼會這樣講?因為在交通部的這個業務報告裡面當初那一份紙本的文件裡面有12加6條,12加6條全國各地的捷運建設陸陸續續都在興建。那本席也看了那份報告,去多數的捷運的速度興建的期程相對的都相對比較快一點。\n442958\t461608\t那台中的這個結餘地方負擔比例比較高工程時間比較拉長當然這是牽涉到你們說這是各縣市的政府政府的財政財力不同所以有這樣的這個轉變但是我們來看到這個下一頁我們看到各地方政府的自償率跟非自償經費的補助比例表啊\n463356\t475651\t一級的財政是臺北市二級的話臺中跟新北桃園、台南、高雄屬於三級在這一份的財力分配表上面我們會覺得一件事情院長\n477227\t503320\t好像財政能力越好的地方政府得到的補助反而會比較少這會變相的有一種鼓勵大家財政上不用太積極反正中央會補助而如果積極的改善了我們地方的財政但是因為你相對經濟比較寬裕所以說中央在軌道建設上面在捷運建設上面的補助比較少那當然這個財政劃分的部分是依據這個\n505481\t527744\t地方制度法跟這個財政收支劃分法那這個財政收支劃分法跟地方制度法有一個落差地方制度法從這個民國88年以後到現在激勵了14次的修正14次那財政收支劃分法從民國88年到現在一次都沒有修所以依據這兩套法律定出來的分期的標準\n529070\t544497\t一句這樣法律定出來的分析標準一個法律已經變了14次了一個法律都還沒有修過今天部長我今天沒有要討論這個財政收支劃分法的這個整體的規劃這個以後我們再來跟討論我們今天先針對捷運的部分這是我要拜託院長\n545217\t561835\t是不是可能往這個方向來修正?同不同意財政收支劃分法跟這個分級制度應該要有所調整?不應該說我地方財政的改善好之後我反而我受到的補助變得更少?院長你怎麼看?我想財政劃分法剛才您也提過齁那這個確實\n562756\t564978\t臺中負擔比例比較高。 臺中負擔比例比較高。 臺中負擔比例比較高。\n590840\t598569\t議員長當然沒問題啦,如果說市場比例比較高,當然地方政府會需要負擔一些,但是我們提到是工程面,在第一階段工程面,像這個新建費我簡單說明一下,\n613064\t634247\t臺中市我當過議員我們一年的財政的這個預算大概兩千億但是該條藍線當然他是分梯次但是這占臺中市政府的這個這個比例蠻高的一年預算才兩千億該條捷運臺中市就要負擔一千多億我想這個對臺中市的財政的確是會有一定很大程度的困難但這個對中央政府啊我想這不是\n634787\t635007\t主席董事長\n659551\t684962\t有給他3億元的獎勵金,分3億,第一年1.5,第二年1億,第三年0.5,而且我們已經在撥款中,謝謝。好啦,主席長,謝謝啦,沒關係啦,3億實在是不太夠啦,我還是希望我們針對捷運建設本身,我還是希望經費上能夠有比較明顯的這個增加來補貼,來補助這地方財政,我想台中的人口非常非常的多啊。\n685482\t705602\t對因為報告委員如果有自償的部分他就將來會有收入所以我們是為什麼鼓勵地方政府都開發自償的部分所以在自償如果增加的話我們補助也會提高您剛剛有一個表那邊就可以看到所以我們也是鼓勵自償那因為台中他的自償事實上他\n709240\t734837\t所以我們在補助的這個比例,同一個級距之下也是有補助比較多。沒關係,這個我後續還有其他線,藍線先這樣子,那接下來我們看到這個橘線,我想這個台中在下禮拜一要來巨蛋要來正式的來準備動工興建,台中3月11即將動工,那這個捷運橘線2023年的9月14號也送進了這個可能性研究來報部審查,\n736378\t755863\t我們想問的是,院長還有我們部長,如果3月11要動工,那巨蛋蓋也需要時間,那這個臺中捷運局線,它也會經過相關的這個站體,也會經過這個地方,所以我們有沒有可能期待的是未來臺中在捷運局線上面,它的審查能夠加速,不要再像是我剛剛提到的,當藍線送進去2014年,出來2024年了,\n759384\t788702\t今年是2024年,2023年的時候局限送到院理審查,送到部理審查,會不會到2033年這個捷運局限才會通過行政院核定,因為過了10年。可行性研究的過程,如果路線規劃的合適,那交通部當然會審查,審查會比較快,那如果審查有一些意見,那當然會回去到市政府,市政府也要趕快回覆,所以這個是,你剛才講的很好,就是中央地方一定都要加緊程序,\n789122\t803278\t如果地方有稍微嚴苛也會可行性也會比較長那這個部分我請交通部來說簡單說一下我們事實上9月14號我們在今年的1月23號已經把意見給台中市政府\n804199\t819979\t主要的意見就是說橘線跟藍線是共用系統,然後共用龍井機場,它的購軌有一點問題,怎麼轉到藍線這個部分,所以我們從技術上給他一些建議,那他送上來我們就按照行政程序趕快來審查。\n820720\t838533\t所以現在委員你可以請地方政府也趕快研議。我們都會請啦,雙方那邊要研議加速,這邊也要拜託進入實質審查。文件往返少一點,大家趕快見面談一談,把有爭議的地方趕快談完,有問題的地方\n839674\t868831\t技術面、工程面兩邊都有專家現場如果能夠把台灣趕快解決就不用公文往返這麼多事因為想過去不管是捷運藍線也好還是捷運綠線也好都是因為書面的往返公文上面有一些這個延宕所以大家各自有各自的意見各自有各自的專業當然這過去當作經驗未來我們希望這種往返公文往返的程序能夠少一點這也是民眾對於行政院對政府部門的期待對政府部門的效率的期待\n869531\t885689\t因為這個在臺灣的公共工程為什麼做一條捷運或是做一條公共工程要拖這麼久就像我剛剛提到的如果說書面審查都要過10年我想這工程它是有硬體的限制沒辦法它可能真的要花點時間但是書面審查上面文字的來往\n886189\t886389\t﹚黃健豪﹚\n908004\t933595\t在這個媒體上面有兩種不同的說法一種是說這個捷運綠線延伸到這個大坑需要同步完成張東的擴大都市計畫的核定但後來又講說核定可行性研究後未來就是現在啦現在綜合規劃不會受到彰化段的影響所以如果審定就可以進行下一階段我想要在這個大院裡面來確定一件事情到底\n935136\t945733\t結綠線延伸大坑的部分有沒有要配合延伸到彰化的那個彰多都市企劃區還是以及兩段可以分開的同步的進行?\n947238\t974559\t我想彰化縣政府也很積極的希望跟臺中市政府這一邊一起把這一條綠線來完成。所以我們希望在綜合規劃核定之前這個張東的這個部分就要來決定好他的擴大都市計畫。那這個部分實際上彰化縣政府的縣長也很積極在推動。所以我們目前的\n976180\t998517\t規劃的情況,預計的情形是你上面的那一個。 所以要等?對,基本上我們也希望彰化縣政府能夠加緊腳步,因為在整個綜合規劃的過程當中,如果前面那一段做好了,後面那一段沒有的話,那整個的介紹的經費等等規劃的情況,還有怎麼樣劃分那一個兩邊的捷運的經費,\n1007323\t1025152\t院長我確認一下你的說法,所以你意思說在現階段以捷運綠線延伸到大坑和彰化這兩段,他是要必須等待彰東都市計畫完成之後我才能夠進行綜合規劃嗎?不是不是,綜合規劃核定前要做完,綜合規劃就是現在大家都在規劃,差不多就一年嘛。\n1027973\t1053530\t發言委員就是原則上因為可行性分析是整段合併所以原則上應該是整段的綜合規劃送上來我們來審但是也不排除必要的時候但是這個還是要審查是否可以把它切成兩段來做綜合審查在時程上面我們當然希望盡快的來審查這個相關的所以說我們也要來拜託總統管政部要考慮\n1058073\t1081486\t來我們看到為什麼今天特別要提把捷運放在我這個重要的這個職區裡面我給大家看一下這個人口結構我想院長你根據你的這個財產申報你的這個住家應該是位在所謂中正區那在全台灣的人口比例上面我排除了前20名人口密度高的這個地區以行政區來劃分前20名不管在新北在高雄在台北\n1083010\t1094577\t這些都會區都是人口密集區。臺中在全國前20名人口密集區也佔了3個。但是什麼特點呢?就是前20名的其他城市它都有捷運建設。\n1095677\t1095877\t拜託院長\n1118973\t1134673\t未來在這個施政上面雖然你一直強調說你5月19就要離職啦但是我想希望這個政策如同你講的行政院的工作不會停下來一棒接一棒所以未來行政院的政策上面在捷運政策上是不是能夠多照顧我們台中市不管經費上也好\n1136394\t1164361\t我想站在中央政府的立場我們是照顧所有的22縣市的交通的建設但是臺中因為他捷運的建設的比較晚所以現在要增加的部分一定會相對於已經像臺北市新北市會來的更多那我們按照這個評估以後就好像你這樣很好的評估以後我們會來看哪一個地方需要再加強我們一定會我們落後很多啦所以拜託好不好\n1164801\t1191433\t好,接下來有一個實事題要來請教一下我們院長。這個現在我們這個健保費,對不起不是健保費,醫療的光耗費要漲,電費要漲,那我想三月的CPI指數也不是很好看,那我想預計下週也要來召開所謂的物價的會議。我想問一下院長,會不會在520之前把該漲的全部漲一漲,或者是院長能不能跟民眾跟國人來報告,\n1192634\t1205850\t到底從現在開始到520之前還有什麼要漲要不要一次預告完讓這個市場上預期心理不要一直今天說要漲電價我先調一次改天說要漲掛號費我再調一次後天又說要漲別的價錢再調一次\n1209209\t1238193\t我問你之前,因為現在看起來好像我問你之前該漲會全部把它漲完,那我問你之前還有什麼要漲,院長可以跟這邊大家報告一下。我想這個括號會說是要漲,不完全正確啦,實際上這個...部分正確啦,部分正確啦。對啦,部分正確,因為衛福部他只是把上限拿開,然後呢地方政府、地方衛生局不必要做這一個審查報備的工作,但是呢現在有很多的像五大的這個醫院的\n1238933\t1256662\t這一個協會也說他們不會這一個調漲的部分。 院長這新聞上的解釋很多我都有看,但是我現在就確認不管是掛號費的解封也好,電價即將可能上漲也好,我現在問的是說520之前在你離職之前還會不會漲別的東西?\n1258819\t1272132\t應該不會吧?應該不會還是不會?你講大宗物資在漲齁?大宗物資在漲,對啊大宗物資跟著電價可能要漲,所以期待所以我剛剛問說會漲什麼?是不是一次?\n1273376\t1300272\t先預告清楚,市場上也不會有這麼事情的外販運行。現在國際間大宗物資是在往下的,是在往下,所以國內不會漲。確定,確定,這是黃小玉、黃鄧小麥。主委長謝謝齁,謝謝承諾,所以520之前不會漲了齁?所以我剛才才說大宗物資好像不是這樣啦。好沒關係,院長這個我們數字我們再確認一下,但是我們要得到你一個確認是說520之前是不是不會再漲?\n1301472\t1319484\t我想520之前電費的這一個部分確實需要經過...除了電費跟像這個掛費即將解封之外嘛,現在民眾已經知道這兩件事情了,那還有什麼?還是沒有?對,那如果是公營事業的這個部分,沒有。我不能夠保證私營的...\n1321305\t1330951\t議員長,接下來要跟他討論很多民眾有關心的我們社會住宅的政策問題。這個我想跟院長確認一個概念,先進國家的低標,社會住宅佔住宅整體存量應該達到15%這句話你認同嗎?\n1352325\t1375214\t我想要看那個國家的土地的價格還有房屋的價格。 那我國,我國就好,不管別人,我國。 我想以5%是應該算是基本啦。 好。 那我看到現在的這個存量,現在全國社會住宅新辦的進度,這是從來自於內政部股東產資訊中心的統計,\n1377255\t1400914\t實際上現在可以入住的是大概3萬戶左右,29182,大約3萬戶左右,所以距離我想至於5%還是有一段這個落差。那當然過去的事情一樣,我的立場是過去的事情就算了,我們就是過去大家努力,但未來要繼續來合作。我想從這個數字上來看,地方政府非常努力,中央政府有一點努力,但是還有一件事情,\n1401994\t1407989\t除了中央政府跟地方政府來興建社會住宅之外有一條路徑我不知道各位還記不記得\n1409943\t1438771\t住宅法是在民國100年施行公佈其中有一條叫做民間新建社會住宅我想請問一下院長你知不知道說這13年了民間新建社會住宅的數量有多少新建這個確實現在有民間新建社宅的這個部分那我們請內政部林部長來回答已經有一些很好的案例我有說新建喔我是在報數代管喔那個我跟委員來回覆民間新辦社會住宅的部分\n1439606\t1465559\t目前是沒有了。不過我要講的是說社會住宅其實最重要的一個困難是在土地的取得。目前我們政府在興建社會住宅的時候現在其實都是用公家的一個土地所以土地的取得是一個先決的一個條件。這一部分我們在去年的時候也跟比如說包括\n1466401\t1467305\t有一些宗教團體或社會福利團體\n1471428\t1496190\t我們現在正主動積極的跟他們做聯繫,因為這個對象必須處理。謝謝,這些新聞上我也看到了,你們非常努力,我知道。我知道提醒說,除了公部門,不管中央地方之外,還有一條路徑叫做民間新辦。那怎麼樣鼓勵民間新辦,在各位在這個法令裡面,其中有一條我提醒大家,還有一個叫行政法人新辦社會住宅使用非公共土地,它可以獲得1.5倍容體獎勵,這或許就是一個方向。\n1498892\t1525106\t為什麼民間不願意改?我想最明確的原因是他沒有誘因。沒有誘因我講坦白的公部門當然不用談論利潤不用談論這個利益的問題但是你要鼓勵民間興辦社會住宅住宅法裡面有這個相關的規定那要怎麼樣鼓勵民間興辦社會住宅如果今天行政法人有這樣子的榮基獎勵民間興辦你要給他多少的榮基獎勵你要給他多少的誘因我覺得這是接下來施政上面\n1525606\t1526286\t這個當然是一個路徑,不過剛剛提到就是說\n1549454\t1551416\t政府都有在研議考慮相關土地資源的一個合理使用。\n1575151\t1591502\t好部長謝謝院長接下來還有別的題目時間不多了接下來這個想問一下院長還有跟我們在座的閣員有聽過這個故宮一百家的可以舉手一下嗎好都沒有\n1598544\t1601428\t院長請問一下你有沒有帶手機在身上嗎?\n1601428\t1613844\t有。 院長我麻煩你可不可以搜尋一下Google100加這個幾個字。 這個我搜尋一下。 你搜尋看看。 那你搜尋的結果跟我的搜尋結果有沒有一樣?\n1632637\t1655246\t收訊的結果是不是都是北京故宮為主?顯示故宮一百家是故宮一百是中國大陸G2003以後﹖好,院長謝謝,院長沒關係。我要提出來的原因是什麼?因為這個故宮一百家是明年我們臺北故宮一百週年的活動系列活動的這個名稱。\n1656758\t1682779\t所以今年已經2024年了明年台北故宮要滿100週年但是如果一個100週年的大活動來講理論上來講現在的行銷宣傳應該開始了但是這個故宮100家也是這個官方的名稱但到目前為止如果搜尋如果外國觀光客想要訂機票想要來了解台北故宮100週年的系列活動他用Google搜尋是找不到相關的紀錄的\n1684847\t1708960\t我們提到我們來跟這個故宮也交過相關的資料回覆我們裡面也提到說明年一百週年包含說要展出什麼宋版畫西文雅集那這個都是之前就展過了那也提到說要去這個法國跟捷克來參展但是我昨天看這個故宮昨天在質詢的時候抱歉\n1709960\t1731929\t昨天故宮在質詢的時候提到說這個去捷克參展是因為疫情的關係所以延後,那表示你等於在另外一個場合的回答,意思就是說這個跟100週年其實沒有明確的相關性。那故宮100週年理論上我們是應該吸引國人之外各國觀光客能夠來故宮來看所謂的故宮100年,有什麼樣的特展也好,有什麼樣的展品也好。\n1732429\t1745863\t但是我們卻把這個所謂的去法國參展去捷克參展當成故宮100周年的這個系列活動之一。那就讓人家開玩笑講說那是不是故宮要鼓勵大家法捷首選行程保覽故宮百年院。\n1747219\t1775872\t我想不是這樣。我想故宮跟世界上大的這些展示機構來合作實際上相當重要。比如說我們到日本去展示相關的故宮的這個古物以後,哇!很多的日客就會來到台灣。那到法國展出的時候也是一樣,因為我就有朋友從日本跟法國來。我想這也是其中的一部分,但是需要更大的加強。我想要強調的是例行性的去國外參展,我們非常支持。\n1776292\t1794814\t但是到底故宮100週年的展覽,就像我剛剛提到了,昨天我們故宮在答詢的時候提到這個節課其實不是針對100啊,它是剛好明年100年。所以我希望在規劃100週年的時候能夠更細緻一點,包含說我們的參展觀光人數啊,最高峰的時候有達到529萬人。\n1797217\t1815354\t去年是150多萬人,那你希望明年能夠達到250萬的觀光人口,來院人口,所以等於今年跟去年你要增加100萬,那這100萬到底哪來?我想這是非常嚴肅的話題,我們希望故宮100周年能夠把它辦好,可以嗎?\n1816685\t1842266\t發言委員,我可以回答。發言委員,故宮一百的話基本上是我在去年一月上任之後我開始規劃的。那這個部分的話就從管事、大事記...跟黃委員報告,因為時間關係可不可以請故宮博物院送相關書面資料給您好嗎?好。\n1842898\t1846370\t非常感謝黃委員健豪的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的答詢。接下來我們請登記第47號\n","txt":"好,謝謝主席。那今天先請我們院長備詢。麻煩請陳院長備詢。黃委員早,國慶禮當選立委。謝謝院長,院長早。院長今天是這個國際三八婦女節,所以本席今天也贈送了在場的女性閣員一束花。\n並祝賀所有女性的國人、婦女同胞、婦女節快樂。當然今天也是這個《性平三法》修正後全面施行的上路的首日。昨天行政院在推行修法上也付出許多努力。我昨天也看到這個院長的一些影片。所以待會院長我現在也要送你一束花感謝行政團隊在這個期間對於《性平三法》的付出。\n這件事也要謝謝大院,大院很快的通過了《性平商法》,所以立法行政合作可以達到很好的目標。謝謝。\n我想這個回到主題今天還是談到今天竟然是信憑三法第一天上路首日所以談到信憑行政院當然是引導各部會在擬定政策計劃跟措施的時候都要來融入所謂的信憑的觀點那也要定期的進行相關的輔導考核那包含院長我也是你的這個粉絲我昨天看到你的網路平台上面有發布一支影片也提到說在信憑這議題上面公部門也應該作為表率\n在32個受評鑑的相關單位裡面各部會裡面有11個單位\n委員長\n昨天影片上面真的提到說希望說我們公部門作為這個信憑三法的表率那院長看到這樣子的成績你有什麼樣的想法我想公部門確實應該作為民間機構的這個表率那這一個不列等的這一些我想我們要來了解它的原因但是我們一定會努力的\n來做好這個信評的這樣的業務各個部會都要努力來加強即使是優等以上的我們也要再繼續精進。好,院長謝謝我們期待信評三法上路之後本來這些不列等的或是本來連續兩年一等的明年在評鑑的時候是不是能夠有個明確的改善?院長你們做得到嗎?\n好,我們回來督促各個部會來加緊努力,因為這是全國都要做的,而且更重要的確實空部門應該作為事務部門的表率。好,院長謝謝。接下來我要跟院長來探討我們台中的捷運建設,\n我們作為臺中選出來的區議員我們特別地重視臺中的捷運建設整體來說我們當然希望臺中的捷運能夠加速合併增加補助我們看到臺中捷運現在最重要的工程是藍線2014年第一次來送出這個可行性報告到今年1月終於來合併所謂的綜合股票報告中間歷時了將近10年的時間\n院長跟部長在這邊,我要在這邊先簡單的跟你們拜託,從書面審查,從第一階段的所謂的可敵性規劃到綜合規劃報告的核定,這個叫做書面審查。光是書面、文書來來往往,就將近10年的時間。 合定之後,院長之前在受訪的時候也講過,因為中央地方一起合作,這條捷運動工還要再10年。\n所以我們當然希望在10年真的等太久因為光前面的文書作業就將近了10年後面如果再蓋10年真的是10年後我想很多這個民眾也等都等不到他等了一輩子終於等到核定但是他還要再等10年\n如果中間又經歷過一些物價波動、政策調整,我想這個對台中人真的非常的不公平。但院長我也要容我再提醒一下,院長之前在受訪的時候也講過說過去捷運南線是因為有許多爭議的部分,所以大家來往往的耽誤了一些時間。但是在我們看到的最終核定的結果,不管是經費上、路線上、站體設置上,似乎\n報言事實上交通部送來是去年的4月18日\n您這邊也有嘛,所以我們...對啊,就經歷286天啊。對對,但是後來行政院來的時候,我們利用最短的時間內,中間有一些些疑慮啦,那也透過交通部跟市政府這邊有做了溝通討論,那釐清以後就很快的核定。好,那我就這樣講嘛,希望這個釐清的速度會快一點。\n因為既然交通部審查通過,我相信部長很專業,審查委員也專業,大家都很專業,送到行政院,如果經費上沒有太大問題,錢也夠,就趕快同意,趕快幹。我們請部長簡單再說一下。我想國安會事實上審查也提供一個很好的提醒,就是我們殺戮鐵路高架跟他的關係。沒關係,這段細節我知道,我們就不用再討論了。我們只是拜託未來早點討論。專業考量。對,溝通了。\n我們之前在記者會上在各個部會公路上面我們也提過\n這個臺中的捷運看起來地方的負擔比例比較高,工程時間比較長。為什麼會這樣講?因為在交通部的這個業務報告裡面當初那一份紙本的文件裡面有12加6條,12加6條全國各地的捷運建設陸陸續續都在興建。那本席也看了那份報告,去多數的捷運的速度興建的期程相對的都相對比較快一點。\n那台中的這個結餘地方負擔比例比較高工程時間比較拉長當然這是牽涉到你們說這是各縣市的政府政府的財政財力不同所以有這樣的這個轉變但是我們來看到這個下一頁我們看到各地方政府的自償率跟非自償經費的補助比例表啊\n一級的財政是臺北市二級的話臺中跟新北桃園、台南、高雄屬於三級在這一份的財力分配表上面我們會覺得一件事情院長\n好像財政能力越好的地方政府得到的補助反而會比較少這會變相的有一種鼓勵大家財政上不用太積極反正中央會補助而如果積極的改善了我們地方的財政但是因為你相對經濟比較寬裕所以說中央在軌道建設上面在捷運建設上面的補助比較少那當然這個財政劃分的部分是依據這個\n地方制度法跟這個財政收支劃分法那這個財政收支劃分法跟地方制度法有一個落差地方制度法從這個民國88年以後到現在激勵了14次的修正14次那財政收支劃分法從民國88年到現在一次都沒有修所以依據這兩套法律定出來的分期的標準\n一句這樣法律定出來的分析標準一個法律已經變了14次了一個法律都還沒有修過今天部長我今天沒有要討論這個財政收支劃分法的這個整體的規劃這個以後我們再來跟討論我們今天先針對捷運的部分這是我要拜託院長\n是不是可能往這個方向來修正?同不同意財政收支劃分法跟這個分級制度應該要有所調整?不應該說我地方財政的改善好之後我反而我受到的補助變得更少?院長你怎麼看?我想財政劃分法剛才您也提過齁那這個確實\n臺中負擔比例比較高。 臺中負擔比例比較高。 臺中負擔比例比較高。\n議員長當然沒問題啦,如果說市場比例比較高,當然地方政府會需要負擔一些,但是我們提到是工程面,在第一階段工程面,像這個新建費我簡單說明一下,\n臺中市我當過議員我們一年的財政的這個預算大概兩千億但是該條藍線當然他是分梯次但是這占臺中市政府的這個這個比例蠻高的一年預算才兩千億該條捷運臺中市就要負擔一千多億我想這個對臺中市的財政的確是會有一定很大程度的困難但這個對中央政府啊我想這不是\n主席董事長\n有給他3億元的獎勵金,分3億,第一年1.5,第二年1億,第三年0.5,而且我們已經在撥款中,謝謝。好啦,主席長,謝謝啦,沒關係啦,3億實在是不太夠啦,我還是希望我們針對捷運建設本身,我還是希望經費上能夠有比較明顯的這個增加來補貼,來補助這地方財政,我想台中的人口非常非常的多啊。\n對因為報告委員如果有自償的部分他就將來會有收入所以我們是為什麼鼓勵地方政府都開發自償的部分所以在自償如果增加的話我們補助也會提高您剛剛有一個表那邊就可以看到所以我們也是鼓勵自償那因為台中他的自償事實上他\n所以我們在補助的這個比例,同一個級距之下也是有補助比較多。沒關係,這個我後續還有其他線,藍線先這樣子,那接下來我們看到這個橘線,我想這個台中在下禮拜一要來巨蛋要來正式的來準備動工興建,台中3月11即將動工,那這個捷運橘線2023年的9月14號也送進了這個可能性研究來報部審查,\n我們想問的是,院長還有我們部長,如果3月11要動工,那巨蛋蓋也需要時間,那這個臺中捷運局線,它也會經過相關的這個站體,也會經過這個地方,所以我們有沒有可能期待的是未來臺中在捷運局線上面,它的審查能夠加速,不要再像是我剛剛提到的,當藍線送進去2014年,出來2024年了,\n今年是2024年,2023年的時候局限送到院理審查,送到部理審查,會不會到2033年這個捷運局限才會通過行政院核定,因為過了10年。可行性研究的過程,如果路線規劃的合適,那交通部當然會審查,審查會比較快,那如果審查有一些意見,那當然會回去到市政府,市政府也要趕快回覆,所以這個是,你剛才講的很好,就是中央地方一定都要加緊程序,\n如果地方有稍微嚴苛也會可行性也會比較長那這個部分我請交通部來說簡單說一下我們事實上9月14號我們在今年的1月23號已經把意見給台中市政府\n主要的意見就是說橘線跟藍線是共用系統,然後共用龍井機場,它的購軌有一點問題,怎麼轉到藍線這個部分,所以我們從技術上給他一些建議,那他送上來我們就按照行政程序趕快來審查。\n所以現在委員你可以請地方政府也趕快研議。我們都會請啦,雙方那邊要研議加速,這邊也要拜託進入實質審查。文件往返少一點,大家趕快見面談一談,把有爭議的地方趕快談完,有問題的地方\n技術面、工程面兩邊都有專家現場如果能夠把台灣趕快解決就不用公文往返這麼多事因為想過去不管是捷運藍線也好還是捷運綠線也好都是因為書面的往返公文上面有一些這個延宕所以大家各自有各自的意見各自有各自的專業當然這過去當作經驗未來我們希望這種往返公文往返的程序能夠少一點這也是民眾對於行政院對政府部門的期待對政府部門的效率的期待\n因為這個在臺灣的公共工程為什麼做一條捷運或是做一條公共工程要拖這麼久就像我剛剛提到的如果說書面審查都要過10年我想這工程它是有硬體的限制沒辦法它可能真的要花點時間但是書面審查上面文字的來往\n﹚黃健豪﹚\n在這個媒體上面有兩種不同的說法一種是說這個捷運綠線延伸到這個大坑需要同步完成張東的擴大都市計畫的核定但後來又講說核定可行性研究後未來就是現在啦現在綜合規劃不會受到彰化段的影響所以如果審定就可以進行下一階段我想要在這個大院裡面來確定一件事情到底\n結綠線延伸大坑的部分有沒有要配合延伸到彰化的那個彰多都市企劃區還是以及兩段可以分開的同步的進行?\n我想彰化縣政府也很積極的希望跟臺中市政府這一邊一起把這一條綠線來完成。所以我們希望在綜合規劃核定之前這個張東的這個部分就要來決定好他的擴大都市計畫。那這個部分實際上彰化縣政府的縣長也很積極在推動。所以我們目前的\n規劃的情況,預計的情形是你上面的那一個。 所以要等?對,基本上我們也希望彰化縣政府能夠加緊腳步,因為在整個綜合規劃的過程當中,如果前面那一段做好了,後面那一段沒有的話,那整個的介紹的經費等等規劃的情況,還有怎麼樣劃分那一個兩邊的捷運的經費,\n院長我確認一下你的說法,所以你意思說在現階段以捷運綠線延伸到大坑和彰化這兩段,他是要必須等待彰東都市計畫完成之後我才能夠進行綜合規劃嗎?不是不是,綜合規劃核定前要做完,綜合規劃就是現在大家都在規劃,差不多就一年嘛。\n發言委員就是原則上因為可行性分析是整段合併所以原則上應該是整段的綜合規劃送上來我們來審但是也不排除必要的時候但是這個還是要審查是否可以把它切成兩段來做綜合審查在時程上面我們當然希望盡快的來審查這個相關的所以說我們也要來拜託總統管政部要考慮\n來我們看到為什麼今天特別要提把捷運放在我這個重要的這個職區裡面我給大家看一下這個人口結構我想院長你根據你的這個財產申報你的這個住家應該是位在所謂中正區那在全台灣的人口比例上面我排除了前20名人口密度高的這個地區以行政區來劃分前20名不管在新北在高雄在台北\n這些都會區都是人口密集區。臺中在全國前20名人口密集區也佔了3個。但是什麼特點呢?就是前20名的其他城市它都有捷運建設。\n拜託院長\n未來在這個施政上面雖然你一直強調說你5月19就要離職啦但是我想希望這個政策如同你講的行政院的工作不會停下來一棒接一棒所以未來行政院的政策上面在捷運政策上是不是能夠多照顧我們台中市不管經費上也好\n我想站在中央政府的立場我們是照顧所有的22縣市的交通的建設但是臺中因為他捷運的建設的比較晚所以現在要增加的部分一定會相對於已經像臺北市新北市會來的更多那我們按照這個評估以後就好像你這樣很好的評估以後我們會來看哪一個地方需要再加強我們一定會我們落後很多啦所以拜託好不好\n好,接下來有一個實事題要來請教一下我們院長。這個現在我們這個健保費,對不起不是健保費,醫療的光耗費要漲,電費要漲,那我想三月的CPI指數也不是很好看,那我想預計下週也要來召開所謂的物價的會議。我想問一下院長,會不會在520之前把該漲的全部漲一漲,或者是院長能不能跟民眾跟國人來報告,\n到底從現在開始到520之前還有什麼要漲要不要一次預告完讓這個市場上預期心理不要一直今天說要漲電價我先調一次改天說要漲掛號費我再調一次後天又說要漲別的價錢再調一次\n我問你之前,因為現在看起來好像我問你之前該漲會全部把它漲完,那我問你之前還有什麼要漲,院長可以跟這邊大家報告一下。我想這個括號會說是要漲,不完全正確啦,實際上這個...部分正確啦,部分正確啦。對啦,部分正確,因為衛福部他只是把上限拿開,然後呢地方政府、地方衛生局不必要做這一個審查報備的工作,但是呢現在有很多的像五大的這個醫院的\n這一個協會也說他們不會這一個調漲的部分。 院長這新聞上的解釋很多我都有看,但是我現在就確認不管是掛號費的解封也好,電價即將可能上漲也好,我現在問的是說520之前在你離職之前還會不會漲別的東西?\n應該不會吧?應該不會還是不會?你講大宗物資在漲齁?大宗物資在漲,對啊大宗物資跟著電價可能要漲,所以期待所以我剛剛問說會漲什麼?是不是一次?\n先預告清楚,市場上也不會有這麼事情的外販運行。現在國際間大宗物資是在往下的,是在往下,所以國內不會漲。確定,確定,這是黃小玉、黃鄧小麥。主委長謝謝齁,謝謝承諾,所以520之前不會漲了齁?所以我剛才才說大宗物資好像不是這樣啦。好沒關係,院長這個我們數字我們再確認一下,但是我們要得到你一個確認是說520之前是不是不會再漲?\n我想520之前電費的這一個部分確實需要經過...除了電費跟像這個掛費即將解封之外嘛,現在民眾已經知道這兩件事情了,那還有什麼?還是沒有?對,那如果是公營事業的這個部分,沒有。我不能夠保證私營的...\n議員長,接下來要跟他討論很多民眾有關心的我們社會住宅的政策問題。這個我想跟院長確認一個概念,先進國家的低標,社會住宅佔住宅整體存量應該達到15%這句話你認同嗎?\n我想要看那個國家的土地的價格還有房屋的價格。 那我國,我國就好,不管別人,我國。 我想以5%是應該算是基本啦。 好。 那我看到現在的這個存量,現在全國社會住宅新辦的進度,這是從來自於內政部股東產資訊中心的統計,\n實際上現在可以入住的是大概3萬戶左右,29182,大約3萬戶左右,所以距離我想至於5%還是有一段這個落差。那當然過去的事情一樣,我的立場是過去的事情就算了,我們就是過去大家努力,但未來要繼續來合作。我想從這個數字上來看,地方政府非常努力,中央政府有一點努力,但是還有一件事情,\n除了中央政府跟地方政府來興建社會住宅之外有一條路徑我不知道各位還記不記得\n住宅法是在民國100年施行公佈其中有一條叫做民間新建社會住宅我想請問一下院長你知不知道說這13年了民間新建社會住宅的數量有多少新建這個確實現在有民間新建社宅的這個部分那我們請內政部林部長來回答已經有一些很好的案例我有說新建喔我是在報數代管喔那個我跟委員來回覆民間新辦社會住宅的部分\n目前是沒有了。不過我要講的是說社會住宅其實最重要的一個困難是在土地的取得。目前我們政府在興建社會住宅的時候現在其實都是用公家的一個土地所以土地的取得是一個先決的一個條件。這一部分我們在去年的時候也跟比如說包括\n有一些宗教團體或社會福利團體\n我們現在正主動積極的跟他們做聯繫,因為這個對象必須處理。謝謝,這些新聞上我也看到了,你們非常努力,我知道。我知道提醒說,除了公部門,不管中央地方之外,還有一條路徑叫做民間新辦。那怎麼樣鼓勵民間新辦,在各位在這個法令裡面,其中有一條我提醒大家,還有一個叫行政法人新辦社會住宅使用非公共土地,它可以獲得1.5倍容體獎勵,這或許就是一個方向。\n為什麼民間不願意改?我想最明確的原因是他沒有誘因。沒有誘因我講坦白的公部門當然不用談論利潤不用談論這個利益的問題但是你要鼓勵民間興辦社會住宅住宅法裡面有這個相關的規定那要怎麼樣鼓勵民間興辦社會住宅如果今天行政法人有這樣子的榮基獎勵民間興辦你要給他多少的榮基獎勵你要給他多少的誘因我覺得這是接下來施政上面\n這個當然是一個路徑,不過剛剛提到就是說\n政府都有在研議考慮相關土地資源的一個合理使用。\n好部長謝謝院長接下來還有別的題目時間不多了接下來這個想問一下院長還有跟我們在座的閣員有聽過這個故宮一百家的可以舉手一下嗎好都沒有\n院長請問一下你有沒有帶手機在身上嗎?\n有。 院長我麻煩你可不可以搜尋一下Google100加這個幾個字。 這個我搜尋一下。 你搜尋看看。 那你搜尋的結果跟我的搜尋結果有沒有一樣?\n收訊的結果是不是都是北京故宮為主?顯示故宮一百家是故宮一百是中國大陸G2003以後﹖好,院長謝謝,院長沒關係。我要提出來的原因是什麼?因為這個故宮一百家是明年我們臺北故宮一百週年的活動系列活動的這個名稱。\n所以今年已經2024年了明年台北故宮要滿100週年但是如果一個100週年的大活動來講理論上來講現在的行銷宣傳應該開始了但是這個故宮100家也是這個官方的名稱但到目前為止如果搜尋如果外國觀光客想要訂機票想要來了解台北故宮100週年的系列活動他用Google搜尋是找不到相關的紀錄的\n我們提到我們來跟這個故宮也交過相關的資料回覆我們裡面也提到說明年一百週年包含說要展出什麼宋版畫西文雅集那這個都是之前就展過了那也提到說要去這個法國跟捷克來參展但是我昨天看這個故宮昨天在質詢的時候抱歉\n昨天故宮在質詢的時候提到說這個去捷克參展是因為疫情的關係所以延後,那表示你等於在另外一個場合的回答,意思就是說這個跟100週年其實沒有明確的相關性。那故宮100週年理論上我們是應該吸引國人之外各國觀光客能夠來故宮來看所謂的故宮100年,有什麼樣的特展也好,有什麼樣的展品也好。\n但是我們卻把這個所謂的去法國參展去捷克參展當成故宮100周年的這個系列活動之一。那就讓人家開玩笑講說那是不是故宮要鼓勵大家法捷首選行程保覽故宮百年院。\n我想不是這樣。我想故宮跟世界上大的這些展示機構來合作實際上相當重要。比如說我們到日本去展示相關的故宮的這個古物以後,哇!很多的日客就會來到台灣。那到法國展出的時候也是一樣,因為我就有朋友從日本跟法國來。我想這也是其中的一部分,但是需要更大的加強。我想要強調的是例行性的去國外參展,我們非常支持。\n但是到底故宮100週年的展覽,就像我剛剛提到了,昨天我們故宮在答詢的時候提到這個節課其實不是針對100啊,它是剛好明年100年。所以我希望在規劃100週年的時候能夠更細緻一點,包含說我們的參展觀光人數啊,最高峰的時候有達到529萬人。\n去年是150多萬人,那你希望明年能夠達到250萬的觀光人口,來院人口,所以等於今年跟去年你要增加100萬,那這100萬到底哪來?我想這是非常嚴肅的話題,我們希望故宮100周年能夠把它辦好,可以嗎?\n發言委員,我可以回答。發言委員,故宮一百的話基本上是我在去年一月上任之後我開始規劃的。那這個部分的話就從管事、大事記...跟黃委員報告,因為時間關係可不可以請故宮博物院送相關書面資料給您好嗎?好。\n非常感謝黃委員健豪的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的答詢。接下來我們請登記第47號\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:13.101 --> 00:18.867\n好,謝謝主席。那今天先請我們院長備詢。麻煩請陳院長備詢。黃委員早,國慶禮當選立委。謝謝院長,院長早。院長今天是這個國際三八婦女節,所以本席今天也贈送了在場的女性閣員一束花。\n\n00:37.922 --> 01:02.349\n並祝賀所有女性的國人、婦女同胞、婦女節快樂。當然今天也是這個《性平三法》修正後全面施行的上路的首日。昨天行政院在推行修法上也付出許多努力。我昨天也看到這個院長的一些影片。所以待會院長我現在也要送你一束花感謝行政團隊在這個期間對於《性平三法》的付出。\n\n01:04.111 --> 01:11.388\n這件事也要謝謝大院,大院很快的通過了《性平商法》,所以立法行政合作可以達到很好的目標。謝謝。\n\n01:23.680 --> 01:53.460\n我想這個回到主題今天還是談到今天竟然是信憑三法第一天上路首日所以談到信憑行政院當然是引導各部會在擬定政策計劃跟措施的時候都要來融入所謂的信憑的觀點那也要定期的進行相關的輔導考核那包含院長我也是你的這個粉絲我昨天看到你的網路平台上面有發布一支影片也提到說在信憑這議題上面公部門也應該作為表率\n\n01:53.680 --> 01:54.841\n在32個受評鑑的相關單位裡面各部會裡面有11個單位\n\n02:23.976 --> 02:23.996\n委員長\n\n02:36.988 --> 02:59.143\n昨天影片上面真的提到說希望說我們公部門作為這個信憑三法的表率那院長看到這樣子的成績你有什麼樣的想法我想公部門確實應該作為民間機構的這個表率那這一個不列等的這一些我想我們要來了解它的原因但是我們一定會努力的\n\n02:59.983 --> 03:17.733\n來做好這個信評的這樣的業務各個部會都要努力來加強即使是優等以上的我們也要再繼續精進。好,院長謝謝我們期待信評三法上路之後本來這些不列等的或是本來連續兩年一等的明年在評鑑的時候是不是能夠有個明確的改善?院長你們做得到嗎?\n\n03:18.373 --> 03:34.867\n好,我們回來督促各個部會來加緊努力,因為這是全國都要做的,而且更重要的確實空部門應該作為事務部門的表率。好,院長謝謝。接下來我要跟院長來探討我們台中的捷運建設,\n\n03:39.892 --> 04:04.223\n我們作為臺中選出來的區議員我們特別地重視臺中的捷運建設整體來說我們當然希望臺中的捷運能夠加速合併增加補助我們看到臺中捷運現在最重要的工程是藍線2014年第一次來送出這個可行性報告到今年1月終於來合併所謂的綜合股票報告中間歷時了將近10年的時間\n\n04:06.864 --> 04:34.161\n院長跟部長在這邊,我要在這邊先簡單的跟你們拜託,從書面審查,從第一階段的所謂的可敵性規劃到綜合規劃報告的核定,這個叫做書面審查。光是書面、文書來來往往,就將近10年的時間。合定之後,院長之前在受訪的時候也講過,因為中央地方一起合作,這條捷運動工還要再10年。\n\n04:35.041 --> 04:51.051\n所以我們當然希望在10年真的等太久因為光前面的文書作業就將近了10年後面如果再蓋10年真的是10年後我想很多這個民眾也等都等不到他等了一輩子終於等到核定但是他還要再等10年\n\n04:51.471 --> 05:18.044\n如果中間又經歷過一些物價波動、政策調整,我想這個對台中人真的非常的不公平。但院長我也要容我再提醒一下,院長之前在受訪的時候也講過說過去捷運南線是因為有許多爭議的部分,所以大家來往往的耽誤了一些時間。但是在我們看到的最終核定的結果,不管是經費上、路線上、站體設置上,似乎\n\n05:18.584 --> 05:20.385\n報言事實上交通部送來是去年的4月18日\n\n05:45.201 --> 06:02.927\n您這邊也有嘛,所以我們...對啊,就經歷286天啊。對對,但是後來行政院來的時候,我們利用最短的時間內,中間有一些些疑慮啦,那也透過交通部跟市政府這邊有做了溝通討論,那釐清以後就很快的核定。好,那我就這樣講嘛,希望這個釐清的速度會快一點。\n\n06:04.748 --> 06:26.255\n因為既然交通部審查通過,我相信部長很專業,審查委員也專業,大家都很專業,送到行政院,如果經費上沒有太大問題,錢也夠,就趕快同意,趕快幹。我們請部長簡單再說一下。我想國安會事實上審查也提供一個很好的提醒,就是我們殺戮鐵路高架跟他的關係。沒關係,這段細節我知道,我們就不用再討論了。我們只是拜託未來早點討論。專業考量。對,溝通了。\n\n06:32.777 --> 06:36.401\n我們之前在記者會上在各個部會公路上面我們也提過\n\n06:57.701 --> 07:22.378\n這個臺中的捷運看起來地方的負擔比例比較高,工程時間比較長。為什麼會這樣講?因為在交通部的這個業務報告裡面當初那一份紙本的文件裡面有12加6條,12加6條全國各地的捷運建設陸陸續續都在興建。那本席也看了那份報告,去多數的捷運的速度興建的期程相對的都相對比較快一點。\n\n07:22.958 --> 07:41.608\n那台中的這個結餘地方負擔比例比較高工程時間比較拉長當然這是牽涉到你們說這是各縣市的政府政府的財政財力不同所以有這樣的這個轉變但是我們來看到這個下一頁我們看到各地方政府的自償率跟非自償經費的補助比例表啊\n\n07:43.356 --> 07:55.651\n一級的財政是臺北市二級的話臺中跟新北桃園、台南、高雄屬於三級在這一份的財力分配表上面我們會覺得一件事情院長\n\n07:57.227 --> 08:23.320\n好像財政能力越好的地方政府得到的補助反而會比較少這會變相的有一種鼓勵大家財政上不用太積極反正中央會補助而如果積極的改善了我們地方的財政但是因為你相對經濟比較寬裕所以說中央在軌道建設上面在捷運建設上面的補助比較少那當然這個財政劃分的部分是依據這個\n\n08:25.481 --> 08:47.744\n地方制度法跟這個財政收支劃分法那這個財政收支劃分法跟地方制度法有一個落差地方制度法從這個民國88年以後到現在激勵了14次的修正14次那財政收支劃分法從民國88年到現在一次都沒有修所以依據這兩套法律定出來的分期的標準\n\n08:49.070 --> 09:04.497\n一句這樣法律定出來的分析標準一個法律已經變了14次了一個法律都還沒有修過今天部長我今天沒有要討論這個財政收支劃分法的這個整體的規劃這個以後我們再來跟討論我們今天先針對捷運的部分這是我要拜託院長\n\n09:05.217 --> 09:21.835\n是不是可能往這個方向來修正?同不同意財政收支劃分法跟這個分級制度應該要有所調整?不應該說我地方財政的改善好之後我反而我受到的補助變得更少?院長你怎麼看?我想財政劃分法剛才您也提過齁那這個確實\n\n09:22.756 --> 09:24.978\n臺中負擔比例比較高。臺中負擔比例比較高。臺中負擔比例比較高。\n\n09:50.840 --> 09:58.569\n議員長當然沒問題啦,如果說市場比例比較高,當然地方政府會需要負擔一些,但是我們提到是工程面,在第一階段工程面,像這個新建費我簡單說明一下,\n\n10:13.064 --> 10:34.247\n臺中市我當過議員我們一年的財政的這個預算大概兩千億但是該條藍線當然他是分梯次但是這占臺中市政府的這個這個比例蠻高的一年預算才兩千億該條捷運臺中市就要負擔一千多億我想這個對臺中市的財政的確是會有一定很大程度的困難但這個對中央政府啊我想這不是\n\n10:34.787 --> 10:35.007\n主席董事長\n\n10:59.551 --> 11:24.962\n有給他3億元的獎勵金,分3億,第一年1.5,第二年1億,第三年0.5,而且我們已經在撥款中,謝謝。好啦,主席長,謝謝啦,沒關係啦,3億實在是不太夠啦,我還是希望我們針對捷運建設本身,我還是希望經費上能夠有比較明顯的這個增加來補貼,來補助這地方財政,我想台中的人口非常非常的多啊。\n\n11:25.482 --> 11:45.602\n對因為報告委員如果有自償的部分他就將來會有收入所以我們是為什麼鼓勵地方政府都開發自償的部分所以在自償如果增加的話我們補助也會提高您剛剛有一個表那邊就可以看到所以我們也是鼓勵自償那因為台中他的自償事實上他\n\n11:49.240 --> 12:14.837\n所以我們在補助的這個比例,同一個級距之下也是有補助比較多。沒關係,這個我後續還有其他線,藍線先這樣子,那接下來我們看到這個橘線,我想這個台中在下禮拜一要來巨蛋要來正式的來準備動工興建,台中3月11即將動工,那這個捷運橘線2023年的9月14號也送進了這個可能性研究來報部審查,\n\n12:16.378 --> 12:35.863\n我們想問的是,院長還有我們部長,如果3月11要動工,那巨蛋蓋也需要時間,那這個臺中捷運局線,它也會經過相關的這個站體,也會經過這個地方,所以我們有沒有可能期待的是未來臺中在捷運局線上面,它的審查能夠加速,不要再像是我剛剛提到的,當藍線送進去2014年,出來2024年了,\n\n12:39.384 --> 13:08.702\n今年是2024年,2023年的時候局限送到院理審查,送到部理審查,會不會到2033年這個捷運局限才會通過行政院核定,因為過了10年。可行性研究的過程,如果路線規劃的合適,那交通部當然會審查,審查會比較快,那如果審查有一些意見,那當然會回去到市政府,市政府也要趕快回覆,所以這個是,你剛才講的很好,就是中央地方一定都要加緊程序,\n\n13:09.122 --> 13:23.278\n如果地方有稍微嚴苛也會可行性也會比較長那這個部分我請交通部來說簡單說一下我們事實上9月14號我們在今年的1月23號已經把意見給台中市政府\n\n13:24.199 --> 13:39.979\n主要的意見就是說橘線跟藍線是共用系統,然後共用龍井機場,它的購軌有一點問題,怎麼轉到藍線這個部分,所以我們從技術上給他一些建議,那他送上來我們就按照行政程序趕快來審查。\n\n13:40.720 --> 13:58.533\n所以現在委員你可以請地方政府也趕快研議。我們都會請啦,雙方那邊要研議加速,這邊也要拜託進入實質審查。文件往返少一點,大家趕快見面談一談,把有爭議的地方趕快談完,有問題的地方\n\n13:59.674 --> 14:28.831\n技術面、工程面兩邊都有專家現場如果能夠把台灣趕快解決就不用公文往返這麼多事因為想過去不管是捷運藍線也好還是捷運綠線也好都是因為書面的往返公文上面有一些這個延宕所以大家各自有各自的意見各自有各自的專業當然這過去當作經驗未來我們希望這種往返公文往返的程序能夠少一點這也是民眾對於行政院對政府部門的期待對政府部門的效率的期待\n\n14:29.531 --> 14:45.689\n因為這個在臺灣的公共工程為什麼做一條捷運或是做一條公共工程要拖這麼久就像我剛剛提到的如果說書面審查都要過10年我想這工程它是有硬體的限制沒辦法它可能真的要花點時間但是書面審查上面文字的來往\n\n14:46.189 --> 14:46.389\n﹚黃健豪﹚\n\n15:08.004 --> 15:33.595\n在這個媒體上面有兩種不同的說法一種是說這個捷運綠線延伸到這個大坑需要同步完成張東的擴大都市計畫的核定但後來又講說核定可行性研究後未來就是現在啦現在綜合規劃不會受到彰化段的影響所以如果審定就可以進行下一階段我想要在這個大院裡面來確定一件事情到底\n\n15:35.136 --> 15:45.733\n結綠線延伸大坑的部分有沒有要配合延伸到彰化的那個彰多都市企劃區還是以及兩段可以分開的同步的進行?\n\n15:47.238 --> 16:14.559\n我想彰化縣政府也很積極的希望跟臺中市政府這一邊一起把這一條綠線來完成。所以我們希望在綜合規劃核定之前這個張東的這個部分就要來決定好他的擴大都市計畫。那這個部分實際上彰化縣政府的縣長也很積極在推動。所以我們目前的\n\n16:16.180 --> 16:38.517\n規劃的情況,預計的情形是你上面的那一個。所以要等?對,基本上我們也希望彰化縣政府能夠加緊腳步,因為在整個綜合規劃的過程當中,如果前面那一段做好了,後面那一段沒有的話,那整個的介紹的經費等等規劃的情況,還有怎麼樣劃分那一個兩邊的捷運的經費,\n\n16:47.323 --> 17:05.152\n院長我確認一下你的說法,所以你意思說在現階段以捷運綠線延伸到大坑和彰化這兩段,他是要必須等待彰東都市計畫完成之後我才能夠進行綜合規劃嗎?不是不是,綜合規劃核定前要做完,綜合規劃就是現在大家都在規劃,差不多就一年嘛。\n\n17:07.973 --> 17:33.530\n發言委員就是原則上因為可行性分析是整段合併所以原則上應該是整段的綜合規劃送上來我們來審但是也不排除必要的時候但是這個還是要審查是否可以把它切成兩段來做綜合審查在時程上面我們當然希望盡快的來審查這個相關的所以說我們也要來拜託總統管政部要考慮\n\n17:38.073 --> 18:01.486\n來我們看到為什麼今天特別要提把捷運放在我這個重要的這個職區裡面我給大家看一下這個人口結構我想院長你根據你的這個財產申報你的這個住家應該是位在所謂中正區那在全台灣的人口比例上面我排除了前20名人口密度高的這個地區以行政區來劃分前20名不管在新北在高雄在台北\n\n18:03.010 --> 18:14.577\n這些都會區都是人口密集區。臺中在全國前20名人口密集區也佔了3個。但是什麼特點呢?就是前20名的其他城市它都有捷運建設。\n\n18:15.677 --> 18:15.877\n拜託院長\n\n18:38.973 --> 18:54.673\n未來在這個施政上面雖然你一直強調說你5月19就要離職啦但是我想希望這個政策如同你講的行政院的工作不會停下來一棒接一棒所以未來行政院的政策上面在捷運政策上是不是能夠多照顧我們台中市不管經費上也好\n\n18:56.394 --> 19:24.361\n我想站在中央政府的立場我們是照顧所有的22縣市的交通的建設但是臺中因為他捷運的建設的比較晚所以現在要增加的部分一定會相對於已經像臺北市新北市會來的更多那我們按照這個評估以後就好像你這樣很好的評估以後我們會來看哪一個地方需要再加強我們一定會我們落後很多啦所以拜託好不好\n\n19:24.801 --> 19:51.433\n好,接下來有一個實事題要來請教一下我們院長。這個現在我們這個健保費,對不起不是健保費,醫療的光耗費要漲,電費要漲,那我想三月的CPI指數也不是很好看,那我想預計下週也要來召開所謂的物價的會議。我想問一下院長,會不會在520之前把該漲的全部漲一漲,或者是院長能不能跟民眾跟國人來報告,\n\n19:52.634 --> 20:05.850\n到底從現在開始到520之前還有什麼要漲要不要一次預告完讓這個市場上預期心理不要一直今天說要漲電價我先調一次改天說要漲掛號費我再調一次後天又說要漲別的價錢再調一次\n\n20:09.209 --> 20:38.193\n我問你之前,因為現在看起來好像我問你之前該漲會全部把它漲完,那我問你之前還有什麼要漲,院長可以跟這邊大家報告一下。我想這個括號會說是要漲,不完全正確啦,實際上這個...部分正確啦,部分正確啦。對啦,部分正確,因為衛福部他只是把上限拿開,然後呢地方政府、地方衛生局不必要做這一個審查報備的工作,但是呢現在有很多的像五大的這個醫院的\n\n20:38.933 --> 20:56.662\n這一個協會也說他們不會這一個調漲的部分。院長這新聞上的解釋很多我都有看,但是我現在就確認不管是掛號費的解封也好,電價即將可能上漲也好,我現在問的是說520之前在你離職之前還會不會漲別的東西?\n\n20:58.819 --> 21:12.132\n應該不會吧?應該不會還是不會?你講大宗物資在漲齁?大宗物資在漲,對啊大宗物資跟著電價可能要漲,所以期待所以我剛剛問說會漲什麼?是不是一次?\n\n21:13.376 --> 21:40.272\n先預告清楚,市場上也不會有這麼事情的外販運行。現在國際間大宗物資是在往下的,是在往下,所以國內不會漲。確定,確定,這是黃小玉、黃鄧小麥。主委長謝謝齁,謝謝承諾,所以520之前不會漲了齁?所以我剛才才說大宗物資好像不是這樣啦。好沒關係,院長這個我們數字我們再確認一下,但是我們要得到你一個確認是說520之前是不是不會再漲?\n\n21:41.472 --> 21:59.484\n我想520之前電費的這一個部分確實需要經過...除了電費跟像這個掛費即將解封之外嘛,現在民眾已經知道這兩件事情了,那還有什麼?還是沒有?對,那如果是公營事業的這個部分,沒有。我不能夠保證私營的...\n\n22:01.305 --> 22:10.951\n議員長,接下來要跟他討論很多民眾有關心的我們社會住宅的政策問題。這個我想跟院長確認一個概念,先進國家的低標,社會住宅佔住宅整體存量應該達到15%這句話你認同嗎?\n\n22:32.325 --> 22:55.214\n我想要看那個國家的土地的價格還有房屋的價格。那我國,我國就好,不管別人,我國。我想以5%是應該算是基本啦。好。那我看到現在的這個存量,現在全國社會住宅新辦的進度,這是從來自於內政部股東產資訊中心的統計,\n\n22:57.255 --> 23:20.914\n實際上現在可以入住的是大概3萬戶左右,29182,大約3萬戶左右,所以距離我想至於5%還是有一段這個落差。那當然過去的事情一樣,我的立場是過去的事情就算了,我們就是過去大家努力,但未來要繼續來合作。我想從這個數字上來看,地方政府非常努力,中央政府有一點努力,但是還有一件事情,\n\n23:21.994 --> 23:27.989\n除了中央政府跟地方政府來興建社會住宅之外有一條路徑我不知道各位還記不記得\n\n23:29.943 --> 23:58.771\n住宅法是在民國100年施行公佈其中有一條叫做民間新建社會住宅我想請問一下院長你知不知道說這13年了民間新建社會住宅的數量有多少新建這個確實現在有民間新建社宅的這個部分那我們請內政部林部長來回答已經有一些很好的案例我有說新建喔我是在報數代管喔那個我跟委員來回覆民間新辦社會住宅的部分\n\n23:59.606 --> 24:25.559\n目前是沒有了。不過我要講的是說社會住宅其實最重要的一個困難是在土地的取得。目前我們政府在興建社會住宅的時候現在其實都是用公家的一個土地所以土地的取得是一個先決的一個條件。這一部分我們在去年的時候也跟比如說包括\n\n24:26.401 --> 24:27.305\n有一些宗教團體或社會福利團體\n\n24:31.428 --> 24:56.190\n我們現在正主動積極的跟他們做聯繫,因為這個對象必須處理。謝謝,這些新聞上我也看到了,你們非常努力,我知道。我知道提醒說,除了公部門,不管中央地方之外,還有一條路徑叫做民間新辦。那怎麼樣鼓勵民間新辦,在各位在這個法令裡面,其中有一條我提醒大家,還有一個叫行政法人新辦社會住宅使用非公共土地,它可以獲得1.5倍容體獎勵,這或許就是一個方向。\n\n24:58.892 --> 25:25.106\n為什麼民間不願意改?我想最明確的原因是他沒有誘因。沒有誘因我講坦白的公部門當然不用談論利潤不用談論這個利益的問題但是你要鼓勵民間興辦社會住宅住宅法裡面有這個相關的規定那要怎麼樣鼓勵民間興辦社會住宅如果今天行政法人有這樣子的榮基獎勵民間興辦你要給他多少的榮基獎勵你要給他多少的誘因我覺得這是接下來施政上面\n\n25:25.606 --> 25:26.286\n這個當然是一個路徑,不過剛剛提到就是說\n\n25:49.454 --> 25:51.416\n政府都有在研議考慮相關土地資源的一個合理使用。\n\n26:15.151 --> 26:31.502\n好部長謝謝院長接下來還有別的題目時間不多了接下來這個想問一下院長還有跟我們在座的閣員有聽過這個故宮一百家的可以舉手一下嗎好都沒有\n\n26:38.544 --> 26:41.428\n院長請問一下你有沒有帶手機在身上嗎?\n\n26:41.428 --> 26:53.844\n有。院長我麻煩你可不可以搜尋一下Google100加這個幾個字。這個我搜尋一下。你搜尋看看。那你搜尋的結果跟我的搜尋結果有沒有一樣?\n\n27:12.637 --> 27:35.246\n收訊的結果是不是都是北京故宮為主?顯示故宮一百家是故宮一百是中國大陸G2003以後﹖好,院長謝謝,院長沒關係。我要提出來的原因是什麼?因為這個故宮一百家是明年我們臺北故宮一百週年的活動系列活動的這個名稱。\n\n27:36.758 --> 28:02.779\n所以今年已經2024年了明年台北故宮要滿100週年但是如果一個100週年的大活動來講理論上來講現在的行銷宣傳應該開始了但是這個故宮100家也是這個官方的名稱但到目前為止如果搜尋如果外國觀光客想要訂機票想要來了解台北故宮100週年的系列活動他用Google搜尋是找不到相關的紀錄的\n\n28:04.847 --> 28:28.960\n我們提到我們來跟這個故宮也交過相關的資料回覆我們裡面也提到說明年一百週年包含說要展出什麼宋版畫西文雅集那這個都是之前就展過了那也提到說要去這個法國跟捷克來參展但是我昨天看這個故宮昨天在質詢的時候抱歉\n\n28:29.960 --> 28:51.929\n昨天故宮在質詢的時候提到說這個去捷克參展是因為疫情的關係所以延後,那表示你等於在另外一個場合的回答,意思就是說這個跟100週年其實沒有明確的相關性。那故宮100週年理論上我們是應該吸引國人之外各國觀光客能夠來故宮來看所謂的故宮100年,有什麼樣的特展也好,有什麼樣的展品也好。\n\n28:52.429 --> 29:05.863\n但是我們卻把這個所謂的去法國參展去捷克參展當成故宮100周年的這個系列活動之一。那就讓人家開玩笑講說那是不是故宮要鼓勵大家法捷首選行程保覽故宮百年院。\n\n29:07.219 --> 29:35.872\n我想不是這樣。我想故宮跟世界上大的這些展示機構來合作實際上相當重要。比如說我們到日本去展示相關的故宮的這個古物以後,哇!很多的日客就會來到台灣。那到法國展出的時候也是一樣,因為我就有朋友從日本跟法國來。我想這也是其中的一部分,但是需要更大的加強。我想要強調的是例行性的去國外參展,我們非常支持。\n\n29:36.292 --> 29:54.814\n但是到底故宮100週年的展覽,就像我剛剛提到了,昨天我們故宮在答詢的時候提到這個節課其實不是針對100啊,它是剛好明年100年。所以我希望在規劃100週年的時候能夠更細緻一點,包含說我們的參展觀光人數啊,最高峰的時候有達到529萬人。\n\n29:57.217 --> 30:15.354\n去年是150多萬人,那你希望明年能夠達到250萬的觀光人口,來院人口,所以等於今年跟去年你要增加100萬,那這100萬到底哪來?我想這是非常嚴肅的話題,我們希望故宮100周年能夠把它辦好,可以嗎?\n\n30:16.685 --> 30:42.266\n發言委員,我可以回答。發言委員,故宮一百的話基本上是我在去年一月上任之後我開始規劃的。那這個部分的話就從管事、大事記...跟黃委員報告,因為時間關係可不可以請故宮博物院送相關書面資料給您好嗎?好。\n\n30:42.898 --> 30:46.370\n非常感謝黃委員健豪的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的答詢。接下來我們請登記第47號\n\n","segments":[{"start":13.101,"end":18.867,"text":"好,謝謝主席。那今天先請我們院長備詢。麻煩請陳院長備詢。黃委員早,國慶禮當選立委。謝謝院長,院長早。院長今天是這個國際三八婦女節,所以本席今天也贈送了在場的女性閣員一束花。"},{"start":37.922,"end":62.349,"text":"並祝賀所有女性的國人、婦女同胞、婦女節快樂。當然今天也是這個《性平三法》修正後全面施行的上路的首日。昨天行政院在推行修法上也付出許多努力。我昨天也看到這個院長的一些影片。所以待會院長我現在也要送你一束花感謝行政團隊在這個期間對於《性平三法》的付出。"},{"start":64.111,"end":71.388,"text":"這件事也要謝謝大院,大院很快的通過了《性平商法》,所以立法行政合作可以達到很好的目標。謝謝。"},{"start":83.68,"end":113.46,"text":"我想這個回到主題今天還是談到今天竟然是信憑三法第一天上路首日所以談到信憑行政院當然是引導各部會在擬定政策計劃跟措施的時候都要來融入所謂的信憑的觀點那也要定期的進行相關的輔導考核那包含院長我也是你的這個粉絲我昨天看到你的網路平台上面有發布一支影片也提到說在信憑這議題上面公部門也應該作為表率"},{"start":113.68,"end":114.841,"text":"在32個受評鑑的相關單位裡面各部會裡面有11個單位"},{"start":143.976,"end":143.996,"text":"委員長"},{"start":156.988,"end":179.143,"text":"昨天影片上面真的提到說希望說我們公部門作為這個信憑三法的表率那院長看到這樣子的成績你有什麼樣的想法我想公部門確實應該作為民間機構的這個表率那這一個不列等的這一些我想我們要來了解它的原因但是我們一定會努力的"},{"start":179.983,"end":197.733,"text":"來做好這個信評的這樣的業務各個部會都要努力來加強即使是優等以上的我們也要再繼續精進。好,院長謝謝我們期待信評三法上路之後本來這些不列等的或是本來連續兩年一等的明年在評鑑的時候是不是能夠有個明確的改善?院長你們做得到嗎?"},{"start":198.373,"end":214.867,"text":"好,我們回來督促各個部會來加緊努力,因為這是全國都要做的,而且更重要的確實空部門應該作為事務部門的表率。好,院長謝謝。接下來我要跟院長來探討我們台中的捷運建設,"},{"start":219.892,"end":244.223,"text":"我們作為臺中選出來的區議員我們特別地重視臺中的捷運建設整體來說我們當然希望臺中的捷運能夠加速合併增加補助我們看到臺中捷運現在最重要的工程是藍線2014年第一次來送出這個可行性報告到今年1月終於來合併所謂的綜合股票報告中間歷時了將近10年的時間"},{"start":246.864,"end":274.161,"text":"院長跟部長在這邊,我要在這邊先簡單的跟你們拜託,從書面審查,從第一階段的所謂的可敵性規劃到綜合規劃報告的核定,這個叫做書面審查。光是書面、文書來來往往,就將近10年的時間。 合定之後,院長之前在受訪的時候也講過,因為中央地方一起合作,這條捷運動工還要再10年。"},{"start":275.041,"end":291.051,"text":"所以我們當然希望在10年真的等太久因為光前面的文書作業就將近了10年後面如果再蓋10年真的是10年後我想很多這個民眾也等都等不到他等了一輩子終於等到核定但是他還要再等10年"},{"start":291.471,"end":318.044,"text":"如果中間又經歷過一些物價波動、政策調整,我想這個對台中人真的非常的不公平。但院長我也要容我再提醒一下,院長之前在受訪的時候也講過說過去捷運南線是因為有許多爭議的部分,所以大家來往往的耽誤了一些時間。但是在我們看到的最終核定的結果,不管是經費上、路線上、站體設置上,似乎"},{"start":318.584,"end":320.385,"text":"報言事實上交通部送來是去年的4月18日"},{"start":345.201,"end":362.927,"text":"您這邊也有嘛,所以我們...對啊,就經歷286天啊。對對,但是後來行政院來的時候,我們利用最短的時間內,中間有一些些疑慮啦,那也透過交通部跟市政府這邊有做了溝通討論,那釐清以後就很快的核定。好,那我就這樣講嘛,希望這個釐清的速度會快一點。"},{"start":364.748,"end":386.255,"text":"因為既然交通部審查通過,我相信部長很專業,審查委員也專業,大家都很專業,送到行政院,如果經費上沒有太大問題,錢也夠,就趕快同意,趕快幹。我們請部長簡單再說一下。我想國安會事實上審查也提供一個很好的提醒,就是我們殺戮鐵路高架跟他的關係。沒關係,這段細節我知道,我們就不用再討論了。我們只是拜託未來早點討論。專業考量。對,溝通了。"},{"start":392.777,"end":396.401,"text":"我們之前在記者會上在各個部會公路上面我們也提過"},{"start":417.701,"end":442.378,"text":"這個臺中的捷運看起來地方的負擔比例比較高,工程時間比較長。為什麼會這樣講?因為在交通部的這個業務報告裡面當初那一份紙本的文件裡面有12加6條,12加6條全國各地的捷運建設陸陸續續都在興建。那本席也看了那份報告,去多數的捷運的速度興建的期程相對的都相對比較快一點。"},{"start":442.958,"end":461.608,"text":"那台中的這個結餘地方負擔比例比較高工程時間比較拉長當然這是牽涉到你們說這是各縣市的政府政府的財政財力不同所以有這樣的這個轉變但是我們來看到這個下一頁我們看到各地方政府的自償率跟非自償經費的補助比例表啊"},{"start":463.356,"end":475.651,"text":"一級的財政是臺北市二級的話臺中跟新北桃園、台南、高雄屬於三級在這一份的財力分配表上面我們會覺得一件事情院長"},{"start":477.227,"end":503.32,"text":"好像財政能力越好的地方政府得到的補助反而會比較少這會變相的有一種鼓勵大家財政上不用太積極反正中央會補助而如果積極的改善了我們地方的財政但是因為你相對經濟比較寬裕所以說中央在軌道建設上面在捷運建設上面的補助比較少那當然這個財政劃分的部分是依據這個"},{"start":505.481,"end":527.744,"text":"地方制度法跟這個財政收支劃分法那這個財政收支劃分法跟地方制度法有一個落差地方制度法從這個民國88年以後到現在激勵了14次的修正14次那財政收支劃分法從民國88年到現在一次都沒有修所以依據這兩套法律定出來的分期的標準"},{"start":529.07,"end":544.497,"text":"一句這樣法律定出來的分析標準一個法律已經變了14次了一個法律都還沒有修過今天部長我今天沒有要討論這個財政收支劃分法的這個整體的規劃這個以後我們再來跟討論我們今天先針對捷運的部分這是我要拜託院長"},{"start":545.217,"end":561.835,"text":"是不是可能往這個方向來修正?同不同意財政收支劃分法跟這個分級制度應該要有所調整?不應該說我地方財政的改善好之後我反而我受到的補助變得更少?院長你怎麼看?我想財政劃分法剛才您也提過齁那這個確實"},{"start":562.756,"end":564.978,"text":"臺中負擔比例比較高。 臺中負擔比例比較高。 臺中負擔比例比較高。"},{"start":590.84,"end":598.569,"text":"議員長當然沒問題啦,如果說市場比例比較高,當然地方政府會需要負擔一些,但是我們提到是工程面,在第一階段工程面,像這個新建費我簡單說明一下,"},{"start":613.064,"end":634.247,"text":"臺中市我當過議員我們一年的財政的這個預算大概兩千億但是該條藍線當然他是分梯次但是這占臺中市政府的這個這個比例蠻高的一年預算才兩千億該條捷運臺中市就要負擔一千多億我想這個對臺中市的財政的確是會有一定很大程度的困難但這個對中央政府啊我想這不是"},{"start":634.787,"end":635.007,"text":"主席董事長"},{"start":659.551,"end":684.962,"text":"有給他3億元的獎勵金,分3億,第一年1.5,第二年1億,第三年0.5,而且我們已經在撥款中,謝謝。好啦,主席長,謝謝啦,沒關係啦,3億實在是不太夠啦,我還是希望我們針對捷運建設本身,我還是希望經費上能夠有比較明顯的這個增加來補貼,來補助這地方財政,我想台中的人口非常非常的多啊。"},{"start":685.482,"end":705.602,"text":"對因為報告委員如果有自償的部分他就將來會有收入所以我們是為什麼鼓勵地方政府都開發自償的部分所以在自償如果增加的話我們補助也會提高您剛剛有一個表那邊就可以看到所以我們也是鼓勵自償那因為台中他的自償事實上他"},{"start":709.24,"end":734.837,"text":"所以我們在補助的這個比例,同一個級距之下也是有補助比較多。沒關係,這個我後續還有其他線,藍線先這樣子,那接下來我們看到這個橘線,我想這個台中在下禮拜一要來巨蛋要來正式的來準備動工興建,台中3月11即將動工,那這個捷運橘線2023年的9月14號也送進了這個可能性研究來報部審查,"},{"start":736.378,"end":755.863,"text":"我們想問的是,院長還有我們部長,如果3月11要動工,那巨蛋蓋也需要時間,那這個臺中捷運局線,它也會經過相關的這個站體,也會經過這個地方,所以我們有沒有可能期待的是未來臺中在捷運局線上面,它的審查能夠加速,不要再像是我剛剛提到的,當藍線送進去2014年,出來2024年了,"},{"start":759.384,"end":788.702,"text":"今年是2024年,2023年的時候局限送到院理審查,送到部理審查,會不會到2033年這個捷運局限才會通過行政院核定,因為過了10年。可行性研究的過程,如果路線規劃的合適,那交通部當然會審查,審查會比較快,那如果審查有一些意見,那當然會回去到市政府,市政府也要趕快回覆,所以這個是,你剛才講的很好,就是中央地方一定都要加緊程序,"},{"start":789.122,"end":803.278,"text":"如果地方有稍微嚴苛也會可行性也會比較長那這個部分我請交通部來說簡單說一下我們事實上9月14號我們在今年的1月23號已經把意見給台中市政府"},{"start":804.199,"end":819.979,"text":"主要的意見就是說橘線跟藍線是共用系統,然後共用龍井機場,它的購軌有一點問題,怎麼轉到藍線這個部分,所以我們從技術上給他一些建議,那他送上來我們就按照行政程序趕快來審查。"},{"start":820.72,"end":838.533,"text":"所以現在委員你可以請地方政府也趕快研議。我們都會請啦,雙方那邊要研議加速,這邊也要拜託進入實質審查。文件往返少一點,大家趕快見面談一談,把有爭議的地方趕快談完,有問題的地方"},{"start":839.674,"end":868.831,"text":"技術面、工程面兩邊都有專家現場如果能夠把台灣趕快解決就不用公文往返這麼多事因為想過去不管是捷運藍線也好還是捷運綠線也好都是因為書面的往返公文上面有一些這個延宕所以大家各自有各自的意見各自有各自的專業當然這過去當作經驗未來我們希望這種往返公文往返的程序能夠少一點這也是民眾對於行政院對政府部門的期待對政府部門的效率的期待"},{"start":869.531,"end":885.689,"text":"因為這個在臺灣的公共工程為什麼做一條捷運或是做一條公共工程要拖這麼久就像我剛剛提到的如果說書面審查都要過10年我想這工程它是有硬體的限制沒辦法它可能真的要花點時間但是書面審查上面文字的來往"},{"start":886.189,"end":886.389,"text":"﹚黃健豪﹚"},{"start":908.004,"end":933.595,"text":"在這個媒體上面有兩種不同的說法一種是說這個捷運綠線延伸到這個大坑需要同步完成張東的擴大都市計畫的核定但後來又講說核定可行性研究後未來就是現在啦現在綜合規劃不會受到彰化段的影響所以如果審定就可以進行下一階段我想要在這個大院裡面來確定一件事情到底"},{"start":935.136,"end":945.733,"text":"結綠線延伸大坑的部分有沒有要配合延伸到彰化的那個彰多都市企劃區還是以及兩段可以分開的同步的進行?"},{"start":947.238,"end":974.559,"text":"我想彰化縣政府也很積極的希望跟臺中市政府這一邊一起把這一條綠線來完成。所以我們希望在綜合規劃核定之前這個張東的這個部分就要來決定好他的擴大都市計畫。那這個部分實際上彰化縣政府的縣長也很積極在推動。所以我們目前的"},{"start":976.18,"end":998.517,"text":"規劃的情況,預計的情形是你上面的那一個。 所以要等?對,基本上我們也希望彰化縣政府能夠加緊腳步,因為在整個綜合規劃的過程當中,如果前面那一段做好了,後面那一段沒有的話,那整個的介紹的經費等等規劃的情況,還有怎麼樣劃分那一個兩邊的捷運的經費,"},{"start":1007.323,"end":1025.152,"text":"院長我確認一下你的說法,所以你意思說在現階段以捷運綠線延伸到大坑和彰化這兩段,他是要必須等待彰東都市計畫完成之後我才能夠進行綜合規劃嗎?不是不是,綜合規劃核定前要做完,綜合規劃就是現在大家都在規劃,差不多就一年嘛。"},{"start":1027.973,"end":1053.53,"text":"發言委員就是原則上因為可行性分析是整段合併所以原則上應該是整段的綜合規劃送上來我們來審但是也不排除必要的時候但是這個還是要審查是否可以把它切成兩段來做綜合審查在時程上面我們當然希望盡快的來審查這個相關的所以說我們也要來拜託總統管政部要考慮"},{"start":1058.073,"end":1081.486,"text":"來我們看到為什麼今天特別要提把捷運放在我這個重要的這個職區裡面我給大家看一下這個人口結構我想院長你根據你的這個財產申報你的這個住家應該是位在所謂中正區那在全台灣的人口比例上面我排除了前20名人口密度高的這個地區以行政區來劃分前20名不管在新北在高雄在台北"},{"start":1083.01,"end":1094.577,"text":"這些都會區都是人口密集區。臺中在全國前20名人口密集區也佔了3個。但是什麼特點呢?就是前20名的其他城市它都有捷運建設。"},{"start":1095.677,"end":1095.877,"text":"拜託院長"},{"start":1118.973,"end":1134.673,"text":"未來在這個施政上面雖然你一直強調說你5月19就要離職啦但是我想希望這個政策如同你講的行政院的工作不會停下來一棒接一棒所以未來行政院的政策上面在捷運政策上是不是能夠多照顧我們台中市不管經費上也好"},{"start":1136.394,"end":1164.361,"text":"我想站在中央政府的立場我們是照顧所有的22縣市的交通的建設但是臺中因為他捷運的建設的比較晚所以現在要增加的部分一定會相對於已經像臺北市新北市會來的更多那我們按照這個評估以後就好像你這樣很好的評估以後我們會來看哪一個地方需要再加強我們一定會我們落後很多啦所以拜託好不好"},{"start":1164.801,"end":1191.433,"text":"好,接下來有一個實事題要來請教一下我們院長。這個現在我們這個健保費,對不起不是健保費,醫療的光耗費要漲,電費要漲,那我想三月的CPI指數也不是很好看,那我想預計下週也要來召開所謂的物價的會議。我想問一下院長,會不會在520之前把該漲的全部漲一漲,或者是院長能不能跟民眾跟國人來報告,"},{"start":1192.634,"end":1205.85,"text":"到底從現在開始到520之前還有什麼要漲要不要一次預告完讓這個市場上預期心理不要一直今天說要漲電價我先調一次改天說要漲掛號費我再調一次後天又說要漲別的價錢再調一次"},{"start":1209.209,"end":1238.193,"text":"我問你之前,因為現在看起來好像我問你之前該漲會全部把它漲完,那我問你之前還有什麼要漲,院長可以跟這邊大家報告一下。我想這個括號會說是要漲,不完全正確啦,實際上這個...部分正確啦,部分正確啦。對啦,部分正確,因為衛福部他只是把上限拿開,然後呢地方政府、地方衛生局不必要做這一個審查報備的工作,但是呢現在有很多的像五大的這個醫院的"},{"start":1238.933,"end":1256.662,"text":"這一個協會也說他們不會這一個調漲的部分。 院長這新聞上的解釋很多我都有看,但是我現在就確認不管是掛號費的解封也好,電價即將可能上漲也好,我現在問的是說520之前在你離職之前還會不會漲別的東西?"},{"start":1258.819,"end":1272.132,"text":"應該不會吧?應該不會還是不會?你講大宗物資在漲齁?大宗物資在漲,對啊大宗物資跟著電價可能要漲,所以期待所以我剛剛問說會漲什麼?是不是一次?"},{"start":1273.376,"end":1300.272,"text":"先預告清楚,市場上也不會有這麼事情的外販運行。現在國際間大宗物資是在往下的,是在往下,所以國內不會漲。確定,確定,這是黃小玉、黃鄧小麥。主委長謝謝齁,謝謝承諾,所以520之前不會漲了齁?所以我剛才才說大宗物資好像不是這樣啦。好沒關係,院長這個我們數字我們再確認一下,但是我們要得到你一個確認是說520之前是不是不會再漲?"},{"start":1301.472,"end":1319.484,"text":"我想520之前電費的這一個部分確實需要經過...除了電費跟像這個掛費即將解封之外嘛,現在民眾已經知道這兩件事情了,那還有什麼?還是沒有?對,那如果是公營事業的這個部分,沒有。我不能夠保證私營的..."},{"start":1321.305,"end":1330.951,"text":"議員長,接下來要跟他討論很多民眾有關心的我們社會住宅的政策問題。這個我想跟院長確認一個概念,先進國家的低標,社會住宅佔住宅整體存量應該達到15%這句話你認同嗎?"},{"start":1352.325,"end":1375.214,"text":"我想要看那個國家的土地的價格還有房屋的價格。 那我國,我國就好,不管別人,我國。 我想以5%是應該算是基本啦。 好。 那我看到現在的這個存量,現在全國社會住宅新辦的進度,這是從來自於內政部股東產資訊中心的統計,"},{"start":1377.255,"end":1400.914,"text":"實際上現在可以入住的是大概3萬戶左右,29182,大約3萬戶左右,所以距離我想至於5%還是有一段這個落差。那當然過去的事情一樣,我的立場是過去的事情就算了,我們就是過去大家努力,但未來要繼續來合作。我想從這個數字上來看,地方政府非常努力,中央政府有一點努力,但是還有一件事情,"},{"start":1401.994,"end":1407.989,"text":"除了中央政府跟地方政府來興建社會住宅之外有一條路徑我不知道各位還記不記得"},{"start":1409.943,"end":1438.771,"text":"住宅法是在民國100年施行公佈其中有一條叫做民間新建社會住宅我想請問一下院長你知不知道說這13年了民間新建社會住宅的數量有多少新建這個確實現在有民間新建社宅的這個部分那我們請內政部林部長來回答已經有一些很好的案例我有說新建喔我是在報數代管喔那個我跟委員來回覆民間新辦社會住宅的部分"},{"start":1439.606,"end":1465.559,"text":"目前是沒有了。不過我要講的是說社會住宅其實最重要的一個困難是在土地的取得。目前我們政府在興建社會住宅的時候現在其實都是用公家的一個土地所以土地的取得是一個先決的一個條件。這一部分我們在去年的時候也跟比如說包括"},{"start":1466.401,"end":1467.305,"text":"有一些宗教團體或社會福利團體"},{"start":1471.428,"end":1496.19,"text":"我們現在正主動積極的跟他們做聯繫,因為這個對象必須處理。謝謝,這些新聞上我也看到了,你們非常努力,我知道。我知道提醒說,除了公部門,不管中央地方之外,還有一條路徑叫做民間新辦。那怎麼樣鼓勵民間新辦,在各位在這個法令裡面,其中有一條我提醒大家,還有一個叫行政法人新辦社會住宅使用非公共土地,它可以獲得1.5倍容體獎勵,這或許就是一個方向。"},{"start":1498.892,"end":1525.106,"text":"為什麼民間不願意改?我想最明確的原因是他沒有誘因。沒有誘因我講坦白的公部門當然不用談論利潤不用談論這個利益的問題但是你要鼓勵民間興辦社會住宅住宅法裡面有這個相關的規定那要怎麼樣鼓勵民間興辦社會住宅如果今天行政法人有這樣子的榮基獎勵民間興辦你要給他多少的榮基獎勵你要給他多少的誘因我覺得這是接下來施政上面"},{"start":1525.606,"end":1526.286,"text":"這個當然是一個路徑,不過剛剛提到就是說"},{"start":1549.454,"end":1551.416,"text":"政府都有在研議考慮相關土地資源的一個合理使用。"},{"start":1575.151,"end":1591.502,"text":"好部長謝謝院長接下來還有別的題目時間不多了接下來這個想問一下院長還有跟我們在座的閣員有聽過這個故宮一百家的可以舉手一下嗎好都沒有"},{"start":1598.544,"end":1601.428,"text":"院長請問一下你有沒有帶手機在身上嗎?"},{"start":1601.428,"end":1613.844,"text":"有。 院長我麻煩你可不可以搜尋一下Google100加這個幾個字。 這個我搜尋一下。 你搜尋看看。 那你搜尋的結果跟我的搜尋結果有沒有一樣?"},{"start":1632.637,"end":1655.246,"text":"收訊的結果是不是都是北京故宮為主?顯示故宮一百家是故宮一百是中國大陸G2003以後﹖好,院長謝謝,院長沒關係。我要提出來的原因是什麼?因為這個故宮一百家是明年我們臺北故宮一百週年的活動系列活動的這個名稱。"},{"start":1656.758,"end":1682.779,"text":"所以今年已經2024年了明年台北故宮要滿100週年但是如果一個100週年的大活動來講理論上來講現在的行銷宣傳應該開始了但是這個故宮100家也是這個官方的名稱但到目前為止如果搜尋如果外國觀光客想要訂機票想要來了解台北故宮100週年的系列活動他用Google搜尋是找不到相關的紀錄的"},{"start":1684.847,"end":1708.96,"text":"我們提到我們來跟這個故宮也交過相關的資料回覆我們裡面也提到說明年一百週年包含說要展出什麼宋版畫西文雅集那這個都是之前就展過了那也提到說要去這個法國跟捷克來參展但是我昨天看這個故宮昨天在質詢的時候抱歉"},{"start":1709.96,"end":1731.929,"text":"昨天故宮在質詢的時候提到說這個去捷克參展是因為疫情的關係所以延後,那表示你等於在另外一個場合的回答,意思就是說這個跟100週年其實沒有明確的相關性。那故宮100週年理論上我們是應該吸引國人之外各國觀光客能夠來故宮來看所謂的故宮100年,有什麼樣的特展也好,有什麼樣的展品也好。"},{"start":1732.429,"end":1745.863,"text":"但是我們卻把這個所謂的去法國參展去捷克參展當成故宮100周年的這個系列活動之一。那就讓人家開玩笑講說那是不是故宮要鼓勵大家法捷首選行程保覽故宮百年院。"},{"start":1747.219,"end":1775.872,"text":"我想不是這樣。我想故宮跟世界上大的這些展示機構來合作實際上相當重要。比如說我們到日本去展示相關的故宮的這個古物以後,哇!很多的日客就會來到台灣。那到法國展出的時候也是一樣,因為我就有朋友從日本跟法國來。我想這也是其中的一部分,但是需要更大的加強。我想要強調的是例行性的去國外參展,我們非常支持。"},{"start":1776.292,"end":1794.814,"text":"但是到底故宮100週年的展覽,就像我剛剛提到了,昨天我們故宮在答詢的時候提到這個節課其實不是針對100啊,它是剛好明年100年。所以我希望在規劃100週年的時候能夠更細緻一點,包含說我們的參展觀光人數啊,最高峰的時候有達到529萬人。"},{"start":1797.217,"end":1815.354,"text":"去年是150多萬人,那你希望明年能夠達到250萬的觀光人口,來院人口,所以等於今年跟去年你要增加100萬,那這100萬到底哪來?我想這是非常嚴肅的話題,我們希望故宮100周年能夠把它辦好,可以嗎?"},{"start":1816.685,"end":1842.266,"text":"發言委員,我可以回答。發言委員,故宮一百的話基本上是我在去年一月上任之後我開始規劃的。那這個部分的話就從管事、大事記...跟黃委員報告,因為時間關係可不可以請故宮博物院送相關書面資料給您好嗎?好。"},{"start":1842.898,"end":1846.37,"text":"非常感謝黃委員健豪的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的答詢。接下來我們請登記第47號"}]}}}}