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00:00:41,583\n謝謝主席,麻煩請院長還有財政部還有原民會。麻煩請院長備詢,也請財政部跟原民會兩位首長備詢。陳委員長,恭喜你當選連任,也祝你婦女節快樂。\n\n2\n00:00:45,352 --> 00:01:05,251\n謝謝院長。那院長我今天要跟您討論的這個問題是我在這邊質詢的第三次了。那每一次的這個會期這個很短的總質詢的時間我都要來拜託院長同一件事那您就會知道這件事有多麼的重要\n\n3\n00:01:06,432 --> 00:01:31,992\n政府在歸還原住民土地的政策上我們有不斷地在加速但是院長因為政府的規定它限制了原住民原保地的流通性導致我們的土地還給原住民之後我們原住民拿到這個土地卻只是空有土地而已因為銀行根本就不接受原保地作為擔保品\n\n4\n00:01:32,978 --> 00:01:52,746\n原住民的長輩們在自己的兒女要成家立業的過程當中他們可能會想要買房子而且可能要創業在他們需要貸款的時候呢長輩想要幫幫自己的兒女喔那或者是年輕人自己很努力想要買房子但是土地拿到這個銀行的時候卻完全帶不到錢\n\n5\n00:01:54,186 --> 00:02:05,591\n又例如說對剛剛有特別講到說因為年輕人買房子那可能在這個信用跟這個財力的評估上可能就是差那麼一點點的這個擔保品\n\n6\n00:02:37,314 --> 00:02:57,542\n或許原民會會回復說這個原民會有這個修繕補助啊但是這個修繕補助的這個經費其實是有限制的那名額上也是有限制的在這個元寶地受信貸款這件事我已經協調兩年我們一直都還在原地踏步沒有一個比較好的進展\n\n7\n00:03:14,983 --> 00:03:15,003\n﹚記者﹚\n\n8\n00:04:05,543 --> 00:04:31,346\n原保地貸款成為這個有利的這個單保品的這件事我們又繼續的在討論當然我想我今天先把你們可能回復我的這個狀況我先講給你們聽啦例如說你們或許會講這個可以找農會但是事實上只有部分幾間少數的農會會接受原保地的貸款那大部分的農會他們是不會接受的\n\n9\n00:04:31,886 --> 00:04:47,049\n再來還有一個你們可能會講說原住民還有我們還有這個原住民族這個除去互助社可以接受元寶地的貸款但事實上呢雖然這個互助社可以接受這個元寶地的這個收信貸款可是\n\n10\n00:05:08,717 --> 00:05:29,785\n我講了這麼多我們也討論了這麼久到現在還是自愛難行那原住民保留地在金融市場遇到什麼問題我想來想去我就只有想到一件事情而且它是事實最貼切的形容就是我們原住民保留地在金融市場它是被歧視的我只能這樣想\n\n11\n00:05:32,066 --> 00:05:59,347\n原住民的壽星貸款這件事情在我最近一次的這個協調中有機會推動的模式就是由其中的一間公股銀行來承接而且我希望它是台銀由台銀來承接讓台銀在辦理所有的這個貸款業務上把這個有價值的元寶地作為債權確保的這個擔保品而且在這個元寶地\n\n12\n00:05:59,987 --> 00:06:10,032\n而建價之後的價值由原民會的綜合發展基金還有其他的信保基金共同來做保證。那現在\n\n13\n00:06:11,824 --> 00:06:35,602\n我們就差這樣臨門一腳也需要院長還有部長跟主委的支持那所以今天我在這邊再一次特別拜託那我也希望說這件事可以由這個財政部來主責然後讓原民會和信保基金來配合我不知道這個院長我們花了這麼多\n\n14\n00:06:36,863 --> 00:06:37,645\n希望這次有善意的回應。\n\n15\n00:06:43,390 --> 00:07:11,265\n因為這件事情我曉得委員很用心也希望把這一個元寶地這個向銀行申請貸款這件事情能夠順利的來安排那謝謝委員幫我們很多的援助園鄉的同胞來做這樣的一個爭取那這件事情我也曉得我們財政部跟園民會已經有跟委員這邊在做溝通協調我是不是請他們再來報告一下很短的時間\n\n16\n00:07:17,673 --> 00:07:33,682\n有關原住民保留地要作為抵押貸款的事情,那我想委員也很清楚,第一個就是說因為他的承受者只限於原住民,那所以他在流通上就限制,而且銀行也沒有辦法取得,假設說他要實行抵押權的時候也沒有辦法取得這個\n\n17\n00:08:04,468 --> 00:08:32,337\n那請問主委在圓明會提出這樣的準則你們有沒有困難還是你也認為說朝這個方向你們是願意去配合的?對,剛委員報告的確在過去長期原住民是保留地因為他移轉是縣市原住民所以遇到這個貸款的這個問題我想這個部分我們未來會再跟我們的財政部還有公共銀行怎麼樣透過整個完成的配套\n\n18\n00:08:33,001 --> 00:08:59,302\n包括那個受訓的整個專案的可行性做後續的處理我很高興今天沒有提到我前面已經先講出的這些推卸的這個理由那我想也希望是我們可以把時間就是壓在三個月你們可以把這樣的一個方向這樣的一個準則把它我們可以在三個月內來提出來完成可以嗎那我們努力\n\n19\n00:09:02,847 --> 00:09:09,669\n接下來呢我想要討論的是這個族語的問題大家都很清楚母語如果斷了那我們文化也就滅了\n\n20\n00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:26,194\n我想在這個推動語言的學習過程當中我們遇到很多的困難那其中一個很大的問題就是目前主委老師的師資嚴重不足那我們需要有一個強大的這個學習工具來學習因為像都會區的這個學校他很難找到主委老師\n\n21\n00:10:26,994 --> 00:10:36,830\n就算找到這個族語老師了,有可能布農族的學生找到的卻是阿美族的這個族語的老師。好,所以這個語言的建制維護,\n\n22\n00:10:39,161 --> 00:11:08,260\n主語查詢的網站我們看一下叫做這個主語一樂園去年在選舉的時候我有提出了一項政見就是希望建置AI的主語學習系統那圓明會目前已經進行了一個計畫就是這個主語AI翻譯計畫那未來系統完成建置之後呢它可以透過語言進行的翻譯但是我是覺得還不夠啦那我想在我進入接下來的質詢之前我先解釋一下這個名詞\n\n23\n00:11:12,257 --> 00:11:39,175\n我想我們現在我覺得要把AI導入這個主語的學習那當然這個AI有分成生成式AI和分辨式AI那當然分辨式AI就是把這個現有的數據或內容中提取資訊協助判斷那這個生成式的AI是一種可以創造新的內容和想法的人工智慧包括創造對話故事影像視訊和音樂等等\n\n24\n00:11:42,462 --> 00:12:08,416\n各位這個是我們現在大家在討論的生成式AI的語言學習系統那它所建置大量的語言資料庫之後呢可以透過電腦系統的判別與使用跟這個對不起透過這個電腦系統的判別和這個使用者互相的這個對話不過我們現在看到的它是一個英文的對話\n\n25\n00:12:10,994 --> 00:12:35,915\n來看一下我們原住民。我們原住民目前法定有16族,那總共有42種的語別。語料的搜集跟這個建制上當然是相對的複雜跟麻煩。那目前原語會進行的這個建制的這個語音翻譯的功能,跟這個英文的這個學習工具的發展上技術上,我們其實還是落後非常多的。\n\n26\n00:12:36,876 --> 00:12:52,506\n所以我希望可以推動深層式AI的這個主語學習的對話系統那它可以協助我們學習主語過程當中的聽跟說這樣的系統那減輕大家的這個學習的這個壓力而且我\n\n27\n00:12:56,971 --> 00:13:10,039\n特別是如果像現在很多家中是沒有這個會講主語的這個長輩沒有那個環境那學校又請不到這個學生所需要的這個主語的\n\n28\n00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:33,214\n主別的這個主語的老師我們都可以透過這一套系統來解決而且這樣的學習人手一機的話不分年齡不分地點都可以來學習這個主語那也可以做一個永久的記錄所以甚至我們原住民的長者到醫院的時候這一套系統\n\n29\n00:13:34,155 --> 00:13:36,218\n所以我想今天提出這樣的建議不知道各位\n\n30\n00:13:53,580 --> 00:14:13,796\n我覺得這是很創新的想法,而且也有它的可行性。那現在在聖城市AI的這個部分,國科會也有相當的積極在推動。我是不是請吳主委簡單的回應一下,讓我們儀仗主委聽聽看,然後也許兩邊可以合作。\n\n31\n00:14:14,096 --> 00:14:32,154\n好,謝謝那個委員的這個提醒。事實上這個聖春市人工智慧對於各種語言的這個認識應該是有它的特點。那事實上從去年開始在院長的支持之下我們已經做了一個台德,我們叫可信任的人工智慧對話引擎。\n\n32\n00:14:32,915 --> 00:14:56,848\n他可以寫文章可以翻譯whatever那事實上原民會在人工智慧這邊應用剛剛這個委員有提到事實上我們已經有在做翻譯那未來事實上我們這個我們叫台德這個引擎在4月應該會公開那我們國科會這邊也會來協助這個原民會這邊事實上那個引擎是一個basic\n\n33\n00:14:57,168 --> 00:15:23,421\n那如果要用到雲民這邊的話我們可以持續來在上面再做一些訓練應該就可以用那我想國科會跟這個圓明會會來配合首先謝謝委員對圓明會過去推動族裔的成果的肯定那的確目前圓明會推動的是分辨式的這個AI的這個部分的整個推動那未來呢我們會跟我們國科會的針對\n\n34\n00:15:24,645 --> 00:15:25,345\n謝謝陳瑩委員的質詢也謝謝陳院長的備詢\n\n35\n00:15:56,241 --> 00:15:59,564\n報告院會上午質詢到此為止,下午2時30分繼續開會,進行質詢,現在休息。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n22695\t41583\t謝謝主席,麻煩請院長還有財政部還有原民會。麻煩請院長備詢,也請財政部跟原民會兩位首長備詢。陳委員長,恭喜你當選連任,也祝你婦女節快樂。\n45352\t65251\t謝謝院長。那院長我今天要跟您討論的這個問題是我在這邊質詢的第三次了。那每一次的這個會期這個很短的總質詢的時間我都要來拜託院長同一件事那您就會知道這件事有多麼的重要\n66432\t91992\t政府在歸還原住民土地的政策上我們有不斷地在加速但是院長因為政府的規定它限制了原住民原保地的流通性導致我們的土地還給原住民之後我們原住民拿到這個土地卻只是空有土地而已因為銀行根本就不接受原保地作為擔保品\n92978\t112746\t原住民的長輩們在自己的兒女要成家立業的過程當中他們可能會想要買房子而且可能要創業在他們需要貸款的時候呢長輩想要幫幫自己的兒女喔那或者是年輕人自己很努力想要買房子但是土地拿到這個銀行的時候卻完全帶不到錢\n114186\t125591\t又例如說對剛剛有特別講到說因為年輕人買房子那可能在這個信用跟這個財力的評估上可能就是差那麼一點點的這個擔保品\n128541\t156954\t﹚陳瑩\n157314\t177542\t或許原民會會回復說這個原民會有這個修繕補助啊但是這個修繕補助的這個經費其實是有限制的那名額上也是有限制的在這個元寶地受信貸款這件事我已經協調兩年我們一直都還在原地踏步沒有一個比較好的進展\n179923\t194923\t﹚陳瑩﹚\n194983\t195003\t﹚記者﹚\n212125\t227739\t﹚陳瑩﹚\n227739\t245043\t﹗\n245543\t271346\t原保地貸款成為這個有利的這個單保品的這件事我們又繼續的在討論當然我想我今天先把你們可能回復我的這個狀況我先講給你們聽啦例如說你們或許會講這個可以找農會但是事實上只有部分幾間少數的農會會接受原保地的貸款那大部分的農會他們是不會接受的\n271886\t287049\t再來還有一個你們可能會講說原住民還有我們還有這個原住民族這個除去互助社可以接受元寶地的貸款但事實上呢雖然這個互助社可以接受這個元寶地的這個收信貸款可是\n287790\t307739\t﹚陳瑩﹚\n308717\t329785\t我講了這麼多我們也討論了這麼久到現在還是自愛難行那原住民保留地在金融市場遇到什麼問題我想來想去我就只有想到一件事情而且它是事實最貼切的形容就是我們原住民保留地在金融市場它是被歧視的我只能這樣想\n332066\t359347\t原住民的壽星貸款這件事情在我最近一次的這個協調中有機會推動的模式就是由其中的一間公股銀行來承接而且我希望它是台銀由台銀來承接讓台銀在辦理所有的這個貸款業務上把這個有價值的元寶地作為債權確保的這個擔保品而且在這個元寶地\n359987\t370032\t而建價之後的價值由原民會的綜合發展基金還有其他的信保基金共同來做保證。那現在\n371824\t395602\t我們就差這樣臨門一腳也需要院長還有部長跟主委的支持那所以今天我在這邊再一次特別拜託那我也希望說這件事可以由這個財政部來主責然後讓原民會和信保基金來配合我不知道這個院長我們花了這麼多\n396863\t397645\t希望這次有善意的回應。\n403390\t431265\t因為這件事情我曉得委員很用心也希望把這一個元寶地這個向銀行申請貸款這件事情能夠順利的來安排那謝謝委員幫我們很多的援助園鄉的同胞來做這樣的一個爭取那這件事情我也曉得我們財政部跟園民會已經有跟委員這邊在做溝通協調我是不是請他們再來報告一下很短的時間\n437673\t453682\t有關原住民保留地要作為抵押貸款的事情,那我想委員也很清楚,第一個就是說因為他的承受者只限於原住民,那所以他在流通上就限制,而且銀行也沒有辦法取得,假設說他要實行抵押權的時候也沒有辦法取得這個\n454462\t484206\t﹚陳瑩\n484468\t512337\t那請問主委在圓明會提出這樣的準則你們有沒有困難還是你也認為說朝這個方向你們是願意去配合的?對,剛委員報告的確在過去長期原住民是保留地因為他移轉是縣市原住民所以遇到這個貸款的這個問題我想這個部分我們未來會再跟我們的財政部還有公共銀行怎麼樣透過整個完成的配套\n513001\t539302\t包括那個受訓的整個專案的可行性做後續的處理我很高興今天沒有提到我前面已經先講出的這些推卸的這個理由那我想也希望是我們可以把時間就是壓在三個月你們可以把這樣的一個方向這樣的一個準則把它我們可以在三個月內來提出來完成可以嗎那我們努力\n542847\t549669\t接下來呢我想要討論的是這個族語的問題大家都很清楚母語如果斷了那我們文化也就滅了\n569974\t588916\t﹚陳瑩﹚\n588916\t605230\t﹗\n605720\t626194\t我想在這個推動語言的學習過程當中我們遇到很多的困難那其中一個很大的問題就是目前主委老師的師資嚴重不足那我們需要有一個強大的這個學習工具來學習因為像都會區的這個學校他很難找到主委老師\n626994\t636830\t就算找到這個族語老師了,有可能布農族的學生找到的卻是阿美族的這個族語的老師。好,所以這個語言的建制維護,\n639161\t668260\t主語查詢的網站我們看一下叫做這個主語一樂園去年在選舉的時候我有提出了一項政見就是希望建置AI的主語學習系統那圓明會目前已經進行了一個計畫就是這個主語AI翻譯計畫那未來系統完成建置之後呢它可以透過語言進行的翻譯但是我是覺得還不夠啦那我想在我進入接下來的質詢之前我先解釋一下這個名詞\n669121\t670230\t響鐘\n672257\t699175\t我想我們現在我覺得要把AI導入這個主語的學習那當然這個AI有分成生成式AI和分辨式AI那當然分辨式AI就是把這個現有的數據或內容中提取資訊協助判斷那這個生成式的AI是一種可以創造新的內容和想法的人工智慧包括創造對話故事影像視訊和音樂等等\n702462\t728416\t各位 這個是我們現在大家在討論的生成式AI的語言學習系統那它所建置大量的語言資料庫之後呢可以透過電腦系統的判別與使用跟這個 對不起 透過這個電腦系統的判別和這個使用者互相的這個對話不過我們現在看到的它是一個英文的對話\n730994\t755915\t來看一下我們原住民。 我們原住民目前法定有16族,那總共有42種的語別。 語料的搜集跟這個建制上當然是相對的複雜跟麻煩。 那目前原語會進行的這個建制的這個語音翻譯的功能, 跟這個英文的這個學習工具的發展上技術上, 我們其實還是落後非常多的。\n756876\t772506\t所以我希望可以推動深層式AI的這個主語學習的對話系統那它可以協助我們學習主語過程當中的聽跟說這樣的系統那減輕大家的這個學習的這個壓力而且我\n776971\t790039\t特別是如果像現在很多家中是沒有這個會講主語的這個長輩沒有那個環境那學校又請不到這個學生所需要的這個主語的\n792680\t813214\t主別的這個主語的老師我們都可以透過這一套系統來解決而且這樣的學習人手一機的話不分年齡不分地點都可以來學習這個主語那也可以做一個永久的記錄所以甚至我們原住民的長者到醫院的時候這一套系統\n814155\t816218\t所以我想今天提出這樣的建議不知道各位\n833580\t853796\t我覺得這是很創新的想法,而且也有它的可行性。那現在在聖城市AI的這個部分,國科會也有相當的積極在推動。我是不是請吳主委簡單的回應一下,讓我們儀仗主委聽聽看,然後也許兩邊可以合作。\n854096\t872154\t好,謝謝那個委員的這個提醒。事實上這個聖春市人工智慧對於各種語言的這個認識應該是有它的特點。那事實上從去年開始在院長的支持之下我們已經做了一個台德,我們叫可信任的人工智慧對話引擎。\n872915\t896848\t他可以寫文章可以翻譯whatever那事實上原民會在人工智慧這邊應用剛剛這個委員有提到事實上我們已經有在做翻譯那未來事實上我們這個我們叫台德這個引擎在4月應該會公開那我們國科會這邊也會來協助這個原民會這邊事實上那個引擎是一個basic\n897168\t923421\t那如果要用到雲民這邊的話我們可以持續來在上面再做一些訓練應該就可以用那我想國科會跟這個圓明會會來配合首先謝謝委員對圓明會過去推動族裔的成果的肯定那的確目前圓明會推動的是分辨式的這個AI的這個部分的整個推動那未來呢我們會跟我們國科會的針對\n924645\t925345\t謝謝陳瑩委員的質詢也謝謝陳院長的備詢\n956241\t959564\t報告院會上午質詢到此為止,下午2時30分繼續開會,進行質詢,現在休息。\n","txt":"謝謝主席,麻煩請院長還有財政部還有原民會。麻煩請院長備詢,也請財政部跟原民會兩位首長備詢。陳委員長,恭喜你當選連任,也祝你婦女節快樂。\n謝謝院長。那院長我今天要跟您討論的這個問題是我在這邊質詢的第三次了。那每一次的這個會期這個很短的總質詢的時間我都要來拜託院長同一件事那您就會知道這件事有多麼的重要\n政府在歸還原住民土地的政策上我們有不斷地在加速但是院長因為政府的規定它限制了原住民原保地的流通性導致我們的土地還給原住民之後我們原住民拿到這個土地卻只是空有土地而已因為銀行根本就不接受原保地作為擔保品\n原住民的長輩們在自己的兒女要成家立業的過程當中他們可能會想要買房子而且可能要創業在他們需要貸款的時候呢長輩想要幫幫自己的兒女喔那或者是年輕人自己很努力想要買房子但是土地拿到這個銀行的時候卻完全帶不到錢\n又例如說對剛剛有特別講到說因為年輕人買房子那可能在這個信用跟這個財力的評估上可能就是差那麼一點點的這個擔保品\n﹚陳瑩\n或許原民會會回復說這個原民會有這個修繕補助啊但是這個修繕補助的這個經費其實是有限制的那名額上也是有限制的在這個元寶地受信貸款這件事我已經協調兩年我們一直都還在原地踏步沒有一個比較好的進展\n﹚陳瑩﹚\n﹚記者﹚\n﹚陳瑩﹚\n﹗\n原保地貸款成為這個有利的這個單保品的這件事我們又繼續的在討論當然我想我今天先把你們可能回復我的這個狀況我先講給你們聽啦例如說你們或許會講這個可以找農會但是事實上只有部分幾間少數的農會會接受原保地的貸款那大部分的農會他們是不會接受的\n再來還有一個你們可能會講說原住民還有我們還有這個原住民族這個除去互助社可以接受元寶地的貸款但事實上呢雖然這個互助社可以接受這個元寶地的這個收信貸款可是\n﹚陳瑩﹚\n我講了這麼多我們也討論了這麼久到現在還是自愛難行那原住民保留地在金融市場遇到什麼問題我想來想去我就只有想到一件事情而且它是事實最貼切的形容就是我們原住民保留地在金融市場它是被歧視的我只能這樣想\n原住民的壽星貸款這件事情在我最近一次的這個協調中有機會推動的模式就是由其中的一間公股銀行來承接而且我希望它是台銀由台銀來承接讓台銀在辦理所有的這個貸款業務上把這個有價值的元寶地作為債權確保的這個擔保品而且在這個元寶地\n而建價之後的價值由原民會的綜合發展基金還有其他的信保基金共同來做保證。那現在\n我們就差這樣臨門一腳也需要院長還有部長跟主委的支持那所以今天我在這邊再一次特別拜託那我也希望說這件事可以由這個財政部來主責然後讓原民會和信保基金來配合我不知道這個院長我們花了這麼多\n希望這次有善意的回應。\n因為這件事情我曉得委員很用心也希望把這一個元寶地這個向銀行申請貸款這件事情能夠順利的來安排那謝謝委員幫我們很多的援助園鄉的同胞來做這樣的一個爭取那這件事情我也曉得我們財政部跟園民會已經有跟委員這邊在做溝通協調我是不是請他們再來報告一下很短的時間\n有關原住民保留地要作為抵押貸款的事情,那我想委員也很清楚,第一個就是說因為他的承受者只限於原住民,那所以他在流通上就限制,而且銀行也沒有辦法取得,假設說他要實行抵押權的時候也沒有辦法取得這個\n﹚陳瑩\n那請問主委在圓明會提出這樣的準則你們有沒有困難還是你也認為說朝這個方向你們是願意去配合的?對,剛委員報告的確在過去長期原住民是保留地因為他移轉是縣市原住民所以遇到這個貸款的這個問題我想這個部分我們未來會再跟我們的財政部還有公共銀行怎麼樣透過整個完成的配套\n包括那個受訓的整個專案的可行性做後續的處理我很高興今天沒有提到我前面已經先講出的這些推卸的這個理由那我想也希望是我們可以把時間就是壓在三個月你們可以把這樣的一個方向這樣的一個準則把它我們可以在三個月內來提出來完成可以嗎那我們努力\n接下來呢我想要討論的是這個族語的問題大家都很清楚母語如果斷了那我們文化也就滅了\n﹚陳瑩﹚\n﹗\n我想在這個推動語言的學習過程當中我們遇到很多的困難那其中一個很大的問題就是目前主委老師的師資嚴重不足那我們需要有一個強大的這個學習工具來學習因為像都會區的這個學校他很難找到主委老師\n就算找到這個族語老師了,有可能布農族的學生找到的卻是阿美族的這個族語的老師。好,所以這個語言的建制維護,\n主語查詢的網站我們看一下叫做這個主語一樂園去年在選舉的時候我有提出了一項政見就是希望建置AI的主語學習系統那圓明會目前已經進行了一個計畫就是這個主語AI翻譯計畫那未來系統完成建置之後呢它可以透過語言進行的翻譯但是我是覺得還不夠啦那我想在我進入接下來的質詢之前我先解釋一下這個名詞\n響鐘\n我想我們現在我覺得要把AI導入這個主語的學習那當然這個AI有分成生成式AI和分辨式AI那當然分辨式AI就是把這個現有的數據或內容中提取資訊協助判斷那這個生成式的AI是一種可以創造新的內容和想法的人工智慧包括創造對話故事影像視訊和音樂等等\n各位 這個是我們現在大家在討論的生成式AI的語言學習系統那它所建置大量的語言資料庫之後呢可以透過電腦系統的判別與使用跟這個 對不起 透過這個電腦系統的判別和這個使用者互相的這個對話不過我們現在看到的它是一個英文的對話\n來看一下我們原住民。 我們原住民目前法定有16族,那總共有42種的語別。 語料的搜集跟這個建制上當然是相對的複雜跟麻煩。 那目前原語會進行的這個建制的這個語音翻譯的功能, 跟這個英文的這個學習工具的發展上技術上, 我們其實還是落後非常多的。\n所以我希望可以推動深層式AI的這個主語學習的對話系統那它可以協助我們學習主語過程當中的聽跟說這樣的系統那減輕大家的這個學習的這個壓力而且我\n特別是如果像現在很多家中是沒有這個會講主語的這個長輩沒有那個環境那學校又請不到這個學生所需要的這個主語的\n主別的這個主語的老師我們都可以透過這一套系統來解決而且這樣的學習人手一機的話不分年齡不分地點都可以來學習這個主語那也可以做一個永久的記錄所以甚至我們原住民的長者到醫院的時候這一套系統\n所以我想今天提出這樣的建議不知道各位\n我覺得這是很創新的想法,而且也有它的可行性。那現在在聖城市AI的這個部分,國科會也有相當的積極在推動。我是不是請吳主委簡單的回應一下,讓我們儀仗主委聽聽看,然後也許兩邊可以合作。\n好,謝謝那個委員的這個提醒。事實上這個聖春市人工智慧對於各種語言的這個認識應該是有它的特點。那事實上從去年開始在院長的支持之下我們已經做了一個台德,我們叫可信任的人工智慧對話引擎。\n他可以寫文章可以翻譯whatever那事實上原民會在人工智慧這邊應用剛剛這個委員有提到事實上我們已經有在做翻譯那未來事實上我們這個我們叫台德這個引擎在4月應該會公開那我們國科會這邊也會來協助這個原民會這邊事實上那個引擎是一個basic\n那如果要用到雲民這邊的話我們可以持續來在上面再做一些訓練應該就可以用那我想國科會跟這個圓明會會來配合首先謝謝委員對圓明會過去推動族裔的成果的肯定那的確目前圓明會推動的是分辨式的這個AI的這個部分的整個推動那未來呢我們會跟我們國科會的針對\n謝謝陳瑩委員的質詢也謝謝陳院長的備詢\n報告院會上午質詢到此為止,下午2時30分繼續開會,進行質詢,現在休息。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:22.695 --> 00:41.583\n謝謝主席,麻煩請院長還有財政部還有原民會。麻煩請院長備詢,也請財政部跟原民會兩位首長備詢。陳委員長,恭喜你當選連任,也祝你婦女節快樂。\n\n00:45.352 --> 01:05.251\n謝謝院長。那院長我今天要跟您討論的這個問題是我在這邊質詢的第三次了。那每一次的這個會期這個很短的總質詢的時間我都要來拜託院長同一件事那您就會知道這件事有多麼的重要\n\n01:06.432 --> 01:31.992\n政府在歸還原住民土地的政策上我們有不斷地在加速但是院長因為政府的規定它限制了原住民原保地的流通性導致我們的土地還給原住民之後我們原住民拿到這個土地卻只是空有土地而已因為銀行根本就不接受原保地作為擔保品\n\n01:32.978 --> 01:52.746\n原住民的長輩們在自己的兒女要成家立業的過程當中他們可能會想要買房子而且可能要創業在他們需要貸款的時候呢長輩想要幫幫自己的兒女喔那或者是年輕人自己很努力想要買房子但是土地拿到這個銀行的時候卻完全帶不到錢\n\n01:54.186 --> 02:05.591\n又例如說對剛剛有特別講到說因為年輕人買房子那可能在這個信用跟這個財力的評估上可能就是差那麼一點點的這個擔保品\n\n02:37.314 --> 02:57.542\n或許原民會會回復說這個原民會有這個修繕補助啊但是這個修繕補助的這個經費其實是有限制的那名額上也是有限制的在這個元寶地受信貸款這件事我已經協調兩年我們一直都還在原地踏步沒有一個比較好的進展\n\n03:14.983 --> 03:15.003\n﹚記者﹚\n\n04:05.543 --> 04:31.346\n原保地貸款成為這個有利的這個單保品的這件事我們又繼續的在討論當然我想我今天先把你們可能回復我的這個狀況我先講給你們聽啦例如說你們或許會講這個可以找農會但是事實上只有部分幾間少數的農會會接受原保地的貸款那大部分的農會他們是不會接受的\n\n04:31.886 --> 04:47.049\n再來還有一個你們可能會講說原住民還有我們還有這個原住民族這個除去互助社可以接受元寶地的貸款但事實上呢雖然這個互助社可以接受這個元寶地的這個收信貸款可是\n\n05:08.717 --> 05:29.785\n我講了這麼多我們也討論了這麼久到現在還是自愛難行那原住民保留地在金融市場遇到什麼問題我想來想去我就只有想到一件事情而且它是事實最貼切的形容就是我們原住民保留地在金融市場它是被歧視的我只能這樣想\n\n05:32.066 --> 05:59.347\n原住民的壽星貸款這件事情在我最近一次的這個協調中有機會推動的模式就是由其中的一間公股銀行來承接而且我希望它是台銀由台銀來承接讓台銀在辦理所有的這個貸款業務上把這個有價值的元寶地作為債權確保的這個擔保品而且在這個元寶地\n\n05:59.987 --> 06:10.032\n而建價之後的價值由原民會的綜合發展基金還有其他的信保基金共同來做保證。那現在\n\n06:11.824 --> 06:35.602\n我們就差這樣臨門一腳也需要院長還有部長跟主委的支持那所以今天我在這邊再一次特別拜託那我也希望說這件事可以由這個財政部來主責然後讓原民會和信保基金來配合我不知道這個院長我們花了這麼多\n\n06:36.863 --> 06:37.645\n希望這次有善意的回應。\n\n06:43.390 --> 07:11.265\n因為這件事情我曉得委員很用心也希望把這一個元寶地這個向銀行申請貸款這件事情能夠順利的來安排那謝謝委員幫我們很多的援助園鄉的同胞來做這樣的一個爭取那這件事情我也曉得我們財政部跟園民會已經有跟委員這邊在做溝通協調我是不是請他們再來報告一下很短的時間\n\n07:17.673 --> 07:33.682\n有關原住民保留地要作為抵押貸款的事情,那我想委員也很清楚,第一個就是說因為他的承受者只限於原住民,那所以他在流通上就限制,而且銀行也沒有辦法取得,假設說他要實行抵押權的時候也沒有辦法取得這個\n\n08:04.468 --> 08:32.337\n那請問主委在圓明會提出這樣的準則你們有沒有困難還是你也認為說朝這個方向你們是願意去配合的?對,剛委員報告的確在過去長期原住民是保留地因為他移轉是縣市原住民所以遇到這個貸款的這個問題我想這個部分我們未來會再跟我們的財政部還有公共銀行怎麼樣透過整個完成的配套\n\n08:33.001 --> 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