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00:02:09,625\n我想這個事情應該次長您應該也知道進度我們就不多說但是我們想要問一下我知道中華奧會跟體育署跟教育部的關係是夥伴關係其實沒有上對下監督關係可是在這個單項協會或者是奧會當中這種不對等權力關係壓迫底下我們難道沒有相關的職業安全衛生法或是勞動部相關的稽查可以協助確認這個中華奧會裡面這些\n\n7\n00:02:23,516 --> 00:02:47,576\n工作同仁們的生命安全或者是相關職場的倫理或是可以協助他們在職場上可以好好的就職這件事情次長您自己的看法是什麼謝謝我想這個部分是在我們體育大樓裡面發生了一個個別的這樣子的一個事件我想針對這一個事件第一時間體育署的部門政署長也馬上請我們體育署人士也提供相關的一個規定\n\n8\n00:02:48,437 --> 00:03:11,989\n以及相關的一些的資源或者是需要的相關的一些的部分提供給中華會來做一個參考那針對這個也針對不管是當事人或者是中華會的選手的部分也能夠注意他們的一個心理上面的一個這個輔導和心理上面的一個調適那有事實的話也提出一些申訴的這樣子的一個管道\n\n9\n00:03:12,529 --> 00:03:33,638\n次長沒關係這個部分後續因為我們可以看一下我後來就去查了相關網站因為你剛剛說署長也給予了相關的支持我們看一下主席的網站還有填寫的網站可是到了中華奧會就看不到相關的資訊我們有沒有機會就是您剛剛說的更積極的去處理這件事情相關的態度跟作為那我們這邊有幾個訴求是不是可以請次長跟署長一併討論第一個\n\n10\n00:03:35,078 --> 00:03:50,675\n體育署了解中華奧會有沒有機會建立相關的性騷擾職場申訴的制度並且促請公告我剛剛說了我知道他們是夥伴關係可是我相信大家對這件事情是有期待的那因為署長你也在奧會擔任過相關的工作不知道這個部分有沒有機會促成第二個由教育部來協同勞動部參與清查\n\n11\n00:04:11,509 --> 00:04:35,098\n主管機關單項協會或夥伴關係的奧會卻沒有相關機制我們覺得這個相當的不合理第三個可否輔導各個協會跟建議奧會建立職場遭受不法侵害通報他跟相關的申訴流程並且正式公告讓所有相關的從業人員他們有一個布局的申訴管道避免各式各樣這種體育界大家知道長期以來不合理的職場現況\n\n12\n00:04:38,028 --> 00:04:58,369\n謝謝陳委員,我想針對陳委員的建議,當然對中華會是不是有建議這個相關的省市制度進行公告,我想這個我們會協調澳會來瞭解澳會現在的做法,同時也請澳會朝這個方向來做一個處理。那至於這個是不是各單元協會有沒有刺案或淋浴霸凌,這個部分我們來瞭解一下。對,因為教育部是主管機關嘛。\n\n13\n00:05:00,151 --> 00:05:25,518\n另外的話針對澳會各協會來建立申訴的流程跟通報的部分這個部分我想這蠻好我們來配合辦理事實上目前如果是各單項協會或中華澳會的員工的部分的話他有申訴到我們體育署我們體育署在第一時間因為在同一棟大樓裡面所以大概都會請我們署裡面的包含政控單位都會進行了解跟協助幫忙\n\n14\n00:05:26,378 --> 00:05:39,614\n次長說都按照我們的要求來進行可是我覺得第二項可能會有困難所以之後我們會再跟次長再次或是跟署長您再次確定去清查相關過往的一個案件我覺得這個是很龐大的工程那如果次長您剛剛的允諾是說會積極展開那我們辦公室也會積極的了解跟協助各個單項協會再來就是這兩天有這個相關的爭議\n\n15\n00:06:22,738 --> 00:06:48,671\n是,謝謝。剛剛委員包括事實上針對這個學生運動員那麼在校園他具有學生身份涉及到霸凌或者不當管教的相關問題那這個部分都有相關的法規那麼在做那個處理也是依循這個相關法規規定的來辦理至於剛剛委員提到的有關那個轉學的那個競賽的部分這個問題的部分目前體育署也都在積極的處理\n\n16\n00:06:51,033 --> 00:07:12,813\n關於競賽這個制度我覺得還要花很多時間討論甚至他開場公庭會都不為過可是我們有沒有機會要求不管這個聯署有沒有之後達標或者是相關制度的討論可不可以因為目前我們收到消息就是監察院要積極介入這個調查可是相關目前已經在網路上自己公開分享這些家長的案例這些學生的案例體育署跟教育部可不可以主動的去\n\n17\n00:07:13,593 --> 00:07:41,058\n進行調查保護當事人匿名的情況下讓大家對體育班制度或是對政府的監理功能不要再持續感到失望這個部分可不可以請次長告訴我們有沒有可能是的謝謝如果是這個涉及到這個霸凌或者是不當管教的部分到體育署來做一些申訴那這個部分本來就有那個校園性侵害性霸凌性騷擾防治的這個準則那這個部分都會依照這個部分該揭露或者是該不能\n\n18\n00:07:41,698 --> 00:08:05,663\n我們都知道這個準則,次長我們都知道啦可是例如說像我們前陣子幫忙召開那個和球案就是明明就有很多事情在校內已經一直發生許多學員球員也都有發生可是這個相關的體育上對下的關係長期存在校園之間那如果孩子們都知道家長也都知道其實大家都知道可是就不敢講啊所以我這邊就是要求次長可不可以主動介入調查協助保護這些球員跟家長\n\n19\n00:08:07,945 --> 00:08:19,579\n如果是屬於在網路上接收的部分我們掌握到第一時間的訊息我們也會跟主管機關因為有關學校的部分可能基本上還是在主管機關我們會請這個主管機關在第一時間進行這個相關調查我們也會持續觀測後續的一個發展的狀況\n\n20\n00:08:25,486 --> 00:08:49,096\n這個市長我還是要說雖然我時間到但是我覺得這樣聽起來還是對於選手的保障跟對家長來說真的有點太過消極我們當然都知道這些案例他都已經自己趕寫在網路上代表我覺得大家積怨已久尤其是孩子們在他們青春期的發展然後身為青少球員運動員這些事情上但是卻一直被這些大人的事件綁住我真的覺得對孩子們很不公平所以我剛剛都說我們都不要討論到\n\n21\n00:08:50,376 --> 00:08:51,776\n您說更積極介入,我們有沒有機會開啟相關的調查\n\n22\n00:09:12,784 --> 00:09:14,926\n主席不好意思再給我一分鐘關於運科的部分我這邊想要請運科中心的執行長這段文字不知道你有沒有看過唸一下\n\n23\n00:09:35,820 --> 00:09:59,982\n運動科學支援競技運動計畫的目的就是希望更多優秀研究能量投入基層並且讓這些基層的教練了解透過科學化的訓練可以提升效率還可以避免過度訓練減少運動員受傷風險不知道這段話執行長您熟不熟悉非常熟悉這個是誰寫的文章你知道嗎我寫的對是你寫的所以我非常開心看到執行長有這樣的理念為什麼要談基層運動這件事情我們來看一下\n\n24\n00:10:01,804 --> 00:10:14,256\n這是國體法修完之後這個三小時我們就先不要討論這個三小時到底合不合理或是一刀切的問題但是我們來看一下相關的過渡訓練我們來看一下107年說只有一所109年說只有三所到了110年只有兩所說實話執行長您覺得就您從基層上來您覺得這個數字合理嗎?\n\n25\n00:10:21,343 --> 00:10:42,503\n對,但是你覺得這個數字合理嗎?還好,你的意思是說不太合理嘛,大家都知道一定有一些事情沒有爆發出來嘛但是我們回過來看可不可以要求運科中心,我時間有限了運科中心可不可以積極的參與相關訓練準則訂定跟考核尤其是考核到底是怎麼考核出來的我相信執行長你一定心裡有數是的\n\n26\n00:10:43,624 --> 00:11:00,778\n可不可以由運科中心更加積極主導這件事情並且把相關耳哨訓練標準納入未來運科中心的研究方向因為大家都知道基層運動員其實才是國家運動發展的未來對嗎完全認同委員的講法跟委員報告現階段我們正在積極研擬我們青少年運動發展的一個建議指標我們會結合運動醫學會\n\n27\n00:11:21,519 --> 00:11:22,599\n關於這個過度訓練的問題可不可以請署長或次長告訴我們有沒有機會\n\n28\n00:11:50,530 --> 00:12:00,067\n接下來的討論資訊是否可以再給所有教育文化委員會．包含我們辦公室一份．讓大家更知道．如果有這個過度訓練的問題．到底我們下一步可以怎麼做．好嗎?好謝謝署長謝謝次長謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t28977\t陳培瑜委員好謝謝主席那有請次長請您次長好次長那這題我想我們就快速先來討論關於這個女族的合約的事情那之前部長的回應是說要等到3月25號不過我當天就說這是不合理的那部長有在諮詢台上交辦說要有次長您這邊來協助那我可以問一下目前的進度嗎\n29857\t45682\t跟委員報告也謝謝委員都關心這個案子那這個案子我們在上個禮拜五也有跟主協秘書長副秘書長直接電話聯繫所以有關這個合約的部分的話今天會以雙括號今天會以雙括號那個寄給這個選手而且已經寄出已經寄出此刻\n51824\t75298\t不到9點半已經祭出?是。好,謝謝次長。那我們後續也會持續在協助球員關心喔。那我想這個事情我覺得確實這個事情的進度這樣看起來是大家目前為止都可以接受的。可是我想問一下次長您覺得這件事情因為其實引起非常多的社會討論跟關注喔。您覺得體育署或者是組協有沒有需要就這件事情做一個進一步的調查報告?\n76220\t76780\t那有沒有機會在兩個月內?\n101827\t118977\t蘇長點頭,那我們就期待兩個月後也麻煩給所有教育委員會的委員一併參考,好謝謝那下一個另外一個就是一樣是令人不開心的事情喔這個不過好像只有一日新聞沒有引起太多的關注可是我們看到這個中華奧會精傳女性遲到致慘這個事情但是體育署立刻澄清不是署內相關員工\n119837\t129625\t我想這個事情應該次長您應該也知道進度我們就不多說但是我們想要問一下我知道中華奧會跟體育署跟教育部的關係是夥伴關係其實沒有上對下監督關係可是在這個單項協會或者是奧會當中這種不對等權力關係壓迫底下我們難道沒有相關的職業安全衛生法或是勞動部相關的稽查可以協助確認這個中華奧會裡面這些\n143516\t167576\t工作同仁們的生命安全或者是相關職場的倫理或是可以協助他們在職場上可以好好的就職這件事情次長您自己的看法是什麼謝謝我想這個部分是在我們體育大樓裡面發生了一個個別的這樣子的一個事件我想針對這一個事件第一時間體育署的部門政署長也馬上請我們體育署人士也提供相關的一個規定\n168437\t191989\t以及相關的一些的資源或者是需要的相關的一些的部分提供給中華會來做一個參考那針對這個也針對不管是當事人或者是中華會的選手的部分也能夠注意他們的一個心理上面的一個這個輔導和心理上面的一個調適那有事實的話也提出一些申訴的這樣子的一個管道\n192529\t213638\t次長沒關係這個部分後續因為我們可以看一下我後來就去查了相關網站因為你剛剛說署長也給予了相關的支持我們看一下主席的網站還有填寫的網站可是到了中華奧會就看不到相關的資訊我們有沒有機會就是您剛剛說的更積極的去處理這件事情相關的態度跟作為那我們這邊有幾個訴求是不是可以請次長跟署長一併討論第一個\n215078\t230675\t體育署了解中華奧會有沒有機會建立相關的性騷擾職場申訴的制度並且促請公告我剛剛說了我知道他們是夥伴關係可是我相信大家對這件事情是有期待的那因為署長你也在奧會擔任過相關的工作不知道這個部分有沒有機會促成第二個由教育部來協同勞動部參與清查\n232517\t251169\t﹗\n251509\t275098\t主管機關單項協會或夥伴關係的奧會卻沒有相關機制我們覺得這個相當的不合理第三個可否輔導各個協會跟建議奧會建立職場遭受不法侵害通報他跟相關的申訴流程並且正式公告讓所有相關的從業人員他們有一個布局的申訴管道避免各式各樣這種體育界大家知道長期以來不合理的職場現況\n278028\t298369\t謝謝陳委員,我想針對陳委員的建議,當然對中華會是不是有建議這個相關的省市制度進行公告,我想這個我們會協調澳會來瞭解澳會現在的做法,同時也請澳會朝這個方向來做一個處理。那至於這個是不是各單元協會有沒有刺案或淋浴霸凌,這個部分我們來瞭解一下。對,因為教育部是主管機關嘛。\n300151\t325518\t另外的話針對澳會各協會來建立申訴的流程跟通報的部分這個部分我想這蠻好我們來配合辦理事實上目前如果是各單項協會或中華澳會的員工的部分的話他有申訴到我們體育署我們體育署在第一時間因為在同一棟大樓裡面所以大概都會請我們署裡面的包含政控單位都會進行了解跟協助幫忙\n326378\t339614\t次長說都按照我們的要求來進行可是我覺得第二項可能會有困難所以之後我們會再跟次長再次或是跟署長您再次確定去清查相關過往的一個案件我覺得這個是很龐大的工程那如果次長您剛剛的允諾是說會積極展開那我們辦公室也會積極的了解跟協助各個單項協會再來就是這兩天有這個相關的爭議\n346442\t363507\t​​​​​​​​​​\n363507\t382108\t⋯⋯⋯\n382738\t408671\t是,謝謝。剛剛委員包括事實上針對這個學生運動員那麼在校園他具有學生身份涉及到霸凌或者不當管教的相關問題那這個部分都有相關的法規那麼在做那個處理也是依循這個相關法規規定的來辦理至於剛剛委員提到的有關那個轉學的那個競賽的部分這個問題的部分目前體育署也都在積極的處理\n411033\t432813\t關於競賽這個制度我覺得還要花很多時間討論甚至他開場公庭會都不為過可是我們有沒有機會要求不管這個聯署有沒有之後達標或者是相關制度的討論可不可以因為目前我們收到消息就是監察院要積極介入這個調查可是相關目前已經在網路上自己公開分享這些家長的案例這些學生的案例體育署跟教育部可不可以主動的去\n433593\t461058\t進行調查保護當事人匿名的情況下讓大家對體育班制度或是對政府的監理功能不要再持續感到失望這個部分可不可以請次長告訴我們有沒有可能是的謝謝如果是這個涉及到這個霸凌或者是不當管教的部分到體育署來做一些申訴那這個部分本來就有那個校園性侵害性霸凌性騷擾防治的這個準則那這個部分都會依照這個部分該揭露或者是該不能\n461698\t485663\t我們都知道這個準則,次長我們都知道啦可是例如說像我們前陣子幫忙召開那個和球案就是明明就有很多事情在校內已經一直發生許多學員球員也都有發生可是這個相關的體育上對下的關係長期存在校園之間那如果孩子們都知道家長也都知道其實大家都知道可是就不敢講啊所以我這邊就是要求次長可不可以主動介入調查協助保護這些球員跟家長\n487945\t499579\t如果是屬於在網路上接收的部分我們掌握到第一時間的訊息我們也會跟主管機關因為有關學校的部分可能基本上還是在主管機關我們會請這個主管機關在第一時間進行這個相關調查我們也會持續觀測後續的一個發展的狀況\n505486\t529096\t這個市長我還是要說雖然我時間到但是我覺得這樣聽起來還是對於選手的保障跟對家長來說真的有點太過消極我們當然都知道這些案例他都已經自己趕寫在網路上代表我覺得大家積怨已久尤其是孩子們在他們青春期的發展然後身為青少球員運動員這些事情上但是卻一直被這些大人的事件綁住我真的覺得對孩子們很不公平所以我剛剛都說我們都不要討論到\n530376\t531776\t您說更積極介入,我們有沒有機會開啟相關的調查\n552784\t554926\t主席不好意思再給我一分鐘關於運科的部分我這邊想要請運科中心的執行長這段文字不知道你有沒有看過唸一下\n575820\t599982\t運動科學支援競技運動計畫的目的就是希望更多優秀研究能量投入基層並且讓這些基層的教練了解透過科學化的訓練可以提升效率還可以避免過度訓練減少運動員受傷風險不知道這段話執行長您熟不熟悉非常熟悉這個是誰寫的文章你知道嗎我寫的對是你寫的所以我非常開心看到執行長有這樣的理念為什麼要談基層運動這件事情我們來看一下\n601804\t614256\t這是國體法修完之後這個三小時我們就先不要討論這個三小時到底合不合理或是一刀切的問題但是我們來看一下相關的過渡訓練我們來看一下107年說只有一所109年說只有三所到了110年只有兩所說實話執行長您覺得就您從基層上來您覺得這個數字合理嗎?\n621343\t642503\t對,但是你覺得這個數字合理嗎?還好,你的意思是說不太合理嘛,大家都知道一定有一些事情沒有爆發出來嘛但是我們回過來看可不可以要求運科中心,我時間有限了運科中心可不可以積極的參與相關訓練準則訂定跟考核尤其是考核到底是怎麼考核出來的我相信執行長你一定心裡有數是的\n643624\t660778\t可不可以由運科中心更加積極主導這件事情並且把相關耳哨訓練標準納入未來運科中心的研究方向因為大家都知道基層運動員其實才是國家運動發展的未來對嗎完全認同委員的講法跟委員報告現階段我們正在積極研擬我們青少年運動發展的一個建議指標我們會結合運動醫學會\n666442\t681459\t⋯⋯⋯\n681519\t682599\t關於這個過度訓練的問題可不可以請署長或次長告訴我們有沒有機會\n710530\t720067\t接下來的討論資訊是否可以再給所有教育文化委員會．包含我們辦公室一份．讓大家更知道．如果有這個過度訓練的問題．到底我們下一步可以怎麼做．好嗎?好 謝謝署長 謝謝次長 謝謝主席\n","txt":"陳培瑜委員好謝謝主席那有請次長請您次長好次長那這題我想我們就快速先來討論關於這個女族的合約的事情那之前部長的回應是說要等到3月25號不過我當天就說這是不合理的那部長有在諮詢台上交辦說要有次長您這邊來協助那我可以問一下目前的進度嗎\n跟委員報告也謝謝委員都關心這個案子那這個案子我們在上個禮拜五也有跟主協秘書長副秘書長直接電話聯繫所以有關這個合約的部分的話今天會以雙括號今天會以雙括號那個寄給這個選手而且已經寄出已經寄出此刻\n不到9點半已經祭出?是。好,謝謝次長。那我們後續也會持續在協助球員關心喔。那我想這個事情我覺得確實這個事情的進度這樣看起來是大家目前為止都可以接受的。可是我想問一下次長您覺得這件事情因為其實引起非常多的社會討論跟關注喔。您覺得體育署或者是組協有沒有需要就這件事情做一個進一步的調查報告?\n那有沒有機會在兩個月內?\n蘇長點頭,那我們就期待兩個月後也麻煩給所有教育委員會的委員一併參考,好謝謝那下一個另外一個就是一樣是令人不開心的事情喔這個不過好像只有一日新聞沒有引起太多的關注可是我們看到這個中華奧會精傳女性遲到致慘這個事情但是體育署立刻澄清不是署內相關員工\n我想這個事情應該次長您應該也知道進度我們就不多說但是我們想要問一下我知道中華奧會跟體育署跟教育部的關係是夥伴關係其實沒有上對下監督關係可是在這個單項協會或者是奧會當中這種不對等權力關係壓迫底下我們難道沒有相關的職業安全衛生法或是勞動部相關的稽查可以協助確認這個中華奧會裡面這些\n工作同仁們的生命安全或者是相關職場的倫理或是可以協助他們在職場上可以好好的就職這件事情次長您自己的看法是什麼謝謝我想這個部分是在我們體育大樓裡面發生了一個個別的這樣子的一個事件我想針對這一個事件第一時間體育署的部門政署長也馬上請我們體育署人士也提供相關的一個規定\n以及相關的一些的資源或者是需要的相關的一些的部分提供給中華會來做一個參考那針對這個也針對不管是當事人或者是中華會的選手的部分也能夠注意他們的一個心理上面的一個這個輔導和心理上面的一個調適那有事實的話也提出一些申訴的這樣子的一個管道\n次長沒關係這個部分後續因為我們可以看一下我後來就去查了相關網站因為你剛剛說署長也給予了相關的支持我們看一下主席的網站還有填寫的網站可是到了中華奧會就看不到相關的資訊我們有沒有機會就是您剛剛說的更積極的去處理這件事情相關的態度跟作為那我們這邊有幾個訴求是不是可以請次長跟署長一併討論第一個\n體育署了解中華奧會有沒有機會建立相關的性騷擾職場申訴的制度並且促請公告我剛剛說了我知道他們是夥伴關係可是我相信大家對這件事情是有期待的那因為署長你也在奧會擔任過相關的工作不知道這個部分有沒有機會促成第二個由教育部來協同勞動部參與清查\n﹗\n主管機關單項協會或夥伴關係的奧會卻沒有相關機制我們覺得這個相當的不合理第三個可否輔導各個協會跟建議奧會建立職場遭受不法侵害通報他跟相關的申訴流程並且正式公告讓所有相關的從業人員他們有一個布局的申訴管道避免各式各樣這種體育界大家知道長期以來不合理的職場現況\n謝謝陳委員,我想針對陳委員的建議,當然對中華會是不是有建議這個相關的省市制度進行公告,我想這個我們會協調澳會來瞭解澳會現在的做法,同時也請澳會朝這個方向來做一個處理。那至於這個是不是各單元協會有沒有刺案或淋浴霸凌,這個部分我們來瞭解一下。對,因為教育部是主管機關嘛。\n另外的話針對澳會各協會來建立申訴的流程跟通報的部分這個部分我想這蠻好我們來配合辦理事實上目前如果是各單項協會或中華澳會的員工的部分的話他有申訴到我們體育署我們體育署在第一時間因為在同一棟大樓裡面所以大概都會請我們署裡面的包含政控單位都會進行了解跟協助幫忙\n次長說都按照我們的要求來進行可是我覺得第二項可能會有困難所以之後我們會再跟次長再次或是跟署長您再次確定去清查相關過往的一個案件我覺得這個是很龐大的工程那如果次長您剛剛的允諾是說會積極展開那我們辦公室也會積極的了解跟協助各個單項協會再來就是這兩天有這個相關的爭議\n​​​​​​​​​​\n⋯⋯⋯\n是,謝謝。剛剛委員包括事實上針對這個學生運動員那麼在校園他具有學生身份涉及到霸凌或者不當管教的相關問題那這個部分都有相關的法規那麼在做那個處理也是依循這個相關法規規定的來辦理至於剛剛委員提到的有關那個轉學的那個競賽的部分這個問題的部分目前體育署也都在積極的處理\n關於競賽這個制度我覺得還要花很多時間討論甚至他開場公庭會都不為過可是我們有沒有機會要求不管這個聯署有沒有之後達標或者是相關制度的討論可不可以因為目前我們收到消息就是監察院要積極介入這個調查可是相關目前已經在網路上自己公開分享這些家長的案例這些學生的案例體育署跟教育部可不可以主動的去\n進行調查保護當事人匿名的情況下讓大家對體育班制度或是對政府的監理功能不要再持續感到失望這個部分可不可以請次長告訴我們有沒有可能是的謝謝如果是這個涉及到這個霸凌或者是不當管教的部分到體育署來做一些申訴那這個部分本來就有那個校園性侵害性霸凌性騷擾防治的這個準則那這個部分都會依照這個部分該揭露或者是該不能\n我們都知道這個準則,次長我們都知道啦可是例如說像我們前陣子幫忙召開那個和球案就是明明就有很多事情在校內已經一直發生許多學員球員也都有發生可是這個相關的體育上對下的關係長期存在校園之間那如果孩子們都知道家長也都知道其實大家都知道可是就不敢講啊所以我這邊就是要求次長可不可以主動介入調查協助保護這些球員跟家長\n如果是屬於在網路上接收的部分我們掌握到第一時間的訊息我們也會跟主管機關因為有關學校的部分可能基本上還是在主管機關我們會請這個主管機關在第一時間進行這個相關調查我們也會持續觀測後續的一個發展的狀況\n這個市長我還是要說雖然我時間到但是我覺得這樣聽起來還是對於選手的保障跟對家長來說真的有點太過消極我們當然都知道這些案例他都已經自己趕寫在網路上代表我覺得大家積怨已久尤其是孩子們在他們青春期的發展然後身為青少球員運動員這些事情上但是卻一直被這些大人的事件綁住我真的覺得對孩子們很不公平所以我剛剛都說我們都不要討論到\n您說更積極介入,我們有沒有機會開啟相關的調查\n主席不好意思再給我一分鐘關於運科的部分我這邊想要請運科中心的執行長這段文字不知道你有沒有看過唸一下\n運動科學支援競技運動計畫的目的就是希望更多優秀研究能量投入基層並且讓這些基層的教練了解透過科學化的訓練可以提升效率還可以避免過度訓練減少運動員受傷風險不知道這段話執行長您熟不熟悉非常熟悉這個是誰寫的文章你知道嗎我寫的對是你寫的所以我非常開心看到執行長有這樣的理念為什麼要談基層運動這件事情我們來看一下\n這是國體法修完之後這個三小時我們就先不要討論這個三小時到底合不合理或是一刀切的問題但是我們來看一下相關的過渡訓練我們來看一下107年說只有一所109年說只有三所到了110年只有兩所說實話執行長您覺得就您從基層上來您覺得這個數字合理嗎?\n對,但是你覺得這個數字合理嗎?還好,你的意思是說不太合理嘛,大家都知道一定有一些事情沒有爆發出來嘛但是我們回過來看可不可以要求運科中心,我時間有限了運科中心可不可以積極的參與相關訓練準則訂定跟考核尤其是考核到底是怎麼考核出來的我相信執行長你一定心裡有數是的\n可不可以由運科中心更加積極主導這件事情並且把相關耳哨訓練標準納入未來運科中心的研究方向因為大家都知道基層運動員其實才是國家運動發展的未來對嗎完全認同委員的講法跟委員報告現階段我們正在積極研擬我們青少年運動發展的一個建議指標我們會結合運動醫學會\n⋯⋯⋯\n關於這個過度訓練的問題可不可以請署長或次長告訴我們有沒有機會\n接下來的討論資訊是否可以再給所有教育文化委員會．包含我們辦公室一份．讓大家更知道．如果有這個過度訓練的問題．到底我們下一步可以怎麼做．好嗎?好 謝謝署長 謝謝次長 謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:28.977\n陳培瑜委員好謝謝主席那有請次長請您次長好次長那這題我想我們就快速先來討論關於這個女族的合約的事情那之前部長的回應是說要等到3月25號不過我當天就說這是不合理的那部長有在諮詢台上交辦說要有次長您這邊來協助那我可以問一下目前的進度嗎\n\n00:29.857 --> 00:45.682\n跟委員報告也謝謝委員都關心這個案子那這個案子我們在上個禮拜五也有跟主協秘書長副秘書長直接電話聯繫所以有關這個合約的部分的話今天會以雙括號今天會以雙括號那個寄給這個選手而且已經寄出已經寄出此刻\n\n00:51.824 --> 01:15.298\n不到9點半已經祭出?是。好,謝謝次長。那我們後續也會持續在協助球員關心喔。那我想這個事情我覺得確實這個事情的進度這樣看起來是大家目前為止都可以接受的。可是我想問一下次長您覺得這件事情因為其實引起非常多的社會討論跟關注喔。您覺得體育署或者是組協有沒有需要就這件事情做一個進一步的調查報告?\n\n01:16.220 --> 01:16.780\n那有沒有機會在兩個月內?\n\n01:41.827 --> 01:58.977\n蘇長點頭,那我們就期待兩個月後也麻煩給所有教育委員會的委員一併參考,好謝謝那下一個另外一個就是一樣是令人不開心的事情喔這個不過好像只有一日新聞沒有引起太多的關注可是我們看到這個中華奧會精傳女性遲到致慘這個事情但是體育署立刻澄清不是署內相關員工\n\n01:59.837 --> 02:09.625\n我想這個事情應該次長您應該也知道進度我們就不多說但是我們想要問一下我知道中華奧會跟體育署跟教育部的關係是夥伴關係其實沒有上對下監督關係可是在這個單項協會或者是奧會當中這種不對等權力關係壓迫底下我們難道沒有相關的職業安全衛生法或是勞動部相關的稽查可以協助確認這個中華奧會裡面這些\n\n02:23.516 --> 02:47.576\n工作同仁們的生命安全或者是相關職場的倫理或是可以協助他們在職場上可以好好的就職這件事情次長您自己的看法是什麼謝謝我想這個部分是在我們體育大樓裡面發生了一個個別的這樣子的一個事件我想針對這一個事件第一時間體育署的部門政署長也馬上請我們體育署人士也提供相關的一個規定\n\n02:48.437 --> 03:11.989\n以及相關的一些的資源或者是需要的相關的一些的部分提供給中華會來做一個參考那針對這個也針對不管是當事人或者是中華會的選手的部分也能夠注意他們的一個心理上面的一個這個輔導和心理上面的一個調適那有事實的話也提出一些申訴的這樣子的一個管道\n\n03:12.529 --> 03:33.638\n次長沒關係這個部分後續因為我們可以看一下我後來就去查了相關網站因為你剛剛說署長也給予了相關的支持我們看一下主席的網站還有填寫的網站可是到了中華奧會就看不到相關的資訊我們有沒有機會就是您剛剛說的更積極的去處理這件事情相關的態度跟作為那我們這邊有幾個訴求是不是可以請次長跟署長一併討論第一個\n\n03:35.078 --> 03:50.675\n體育署了解中華奧會有沒有機會建立相關的性騷擾職場申訴的制度並且促請公告我剛剛說了我知道他們是夥伴關係可是我相信大家對這件事情是有期待的那因為署長你也在奧會擔任過相關的工作不知道這個部分有沒有機會促成第二個由教育部來協同勞動部參與清查\n\n04:11.509 --> 04:35.098\n主管機關單項協會或夥伴關係的奧會卻沒有相關機制我們覺得這個相當的不合理第三個可否輔導各個協會跟建議奧會建立職場遭受不法侵害通報他跟相關的申訴流程並且正式公告讓所有相關的從業人員他們有一個布局的申訴管道避免各式各樣這種體育界大家知道長期以來不合理的職場現況\n\n04:38.028 --> 04:58.369\n謝謝陳委員,我想針對陳委員的建議,當然對中華會是不是有建議這個相關的省市制度進行公告,我想這個我們會協調澳會來瞭解澳會現在的做法,同時也請澳會朝這個方向來做一個處理。那至於這個是不是各單元協會有沒有刺案或淋浴霸凌,這個部分我們來瞭解一下。對,因為教育部是主管機關嘛。\n\n05:00.151 --> 05:25.518\n另外的話針對澳會各協會來建立申訴的流程跟通報的部分這個部分我想這蠻好我們來配合辦理事實上目前如果是各單項協會或中華澳會的員工的部分的話他有申訴到我們體育署我們體育署在第一時間因為在同一棟大樓裡面所以大概都會請我們署裡面的包含政控單位都會進行了解跟協助幫忙\n\n05:26.378 --> 05:39.614\n次長說都按照我們的要求來進行可是我覺得第二項可能會有困難所以之後我們會再跟次長再次或是跟署長您再次確定去清查相關過往的一個案件我覺得這個是很龐大的工程那如果次長您剛剛的允諾是說會積極展開那我們辦公室也會積極的了解跟協助各個單項協會再來就是這兩天有這個相關的爭議\n\n06:22.738 --> 06:48.671\n是,謝謝。剛剛委員包括事實上針對這個學生運動員那麼在校園他具有學生身份涉及到霸凌或者不當管教的相關問題那這個部分都有相關的法規那麼在做那個處理也是依循這個相關法規規定的來辦理至於剛剛委員提到的有關那個轉學的那個競賽的部分這個問題的部分目前體育署也都在積極的處理\n\n06:51.033 --> 07:12.813\n關於競賽這個制度我覺得還要花很多時間討論甚至他開場公庭會都不為過可是我們有沒有機會要求不管這個聯署有沒有之後達標或者是相關制度的討論可不可以因為目前我們收到消息就是監察院要積極介入這個調查可是相關目前已經在網路上自己公開分享這些家長的案例這些學生的案例體育署跟教育部可不可以主動的去\n\n07:13.593 --> 07:41.058\n進行調查保護當事人匿名的情況下讓大家對體育班制度或是對政府的監理功能不要再持續感到失望這個部分可不可以請次長告訴我們有沒有可能是的謝謝如果是這個涉及到這個霸凌或者是不當管教的部分到體育署來做一些申訴那這個部分本來就有那個校園性侵害性霸凌性騷擾防治的這個準則那這個部分都會依照這個部分該揭露或者是該不能\n\n07:41.698 --> 08:05.663\n我們都知道這個準則,次長我們都知道啦可是例如說像我們前陣子幫忙召開那個和球案就是明明就有很多事情在校內已經一直發生許多學員球員也都有發生可是這個相關的體育上對下的關係長期存在校園之間那如果孩子們都知道家長也都知道其實大家都知道可是就不敢講啊所以我這邊就是要求次長可不可以主動介入調查協助保護這些球員跟家長\n\n08:07.945 --> 08:19.579\n如果是屬於在網路上接收的部分我們掌握到第一時間的訊息我們也會跟主管機關因為有關學校的部分可能基本上還是在主管機關我們會請這個主管機關在第一時間進行這個相關調查我們也會持續觀測後續的一個發展的狀況\n\n08:25.486 --> 08:49.096\n這個市長我還是要說雖然我時間到但是我覺得這樣聽起來還是對於選手的保障跟對家長來說真的有點太過消極我們當然都知道這些案例他都已經自己趕寫在網路上代表我覺得大家積怨已久尤其是孩子們在他們青春期的發展然後身為青少球員運動員這些事情上但是卻一直被這些大人的事件綁住我真的覺得對孩子們很不公平所以我剛剛都說我們都不要討論到\n\n08:50.376 --> 08:51.776\n您說更積極介入,我們有沒有機會開啟相關的調查\n\n09:12.784 --> 09:14.926\n主席不好意思再給我一分鐘關於運科的部分我這邊想要請運科中心的執行長這段文字不知道你有沒有看過唸一下\n\n09:35.820 --> 09:59.982\n運動科學支援競技運動計畫的目的就是希望更多優秀研究能量投入基層並且讓這些基層的教練了解透過科學化的訓練可以提升效率還可以避免過度訓練減少運動員受傷風險不知道這段話執行長您熟不熟悉非常熟悉這個是誰寫的文章你知道嗎我寫的對是你寫的所以我非常開心看到執行長有這樣的理念為什麼要談基層運動這件事情我們來看一下\n\n10:01.804 --> 10:14.256\n這是國體法修完之後這個三小時我們就先不要討論這個三小時到底合不合理或是一刀切的問題但是我們來看一下相關的過渡訓練我們來看一下107年說只有一所109年說只有三所到了110年只有兩所說實話執行長您覺得就您從基層上來您覺得這個數字合理嗎?\n\n10:21.343 --> 10:42.503\n對,但是你覺得這個數字合理嗎?還好,你的意思是說不太合理嘛,大家都知道一定有一些事情沒有爆發出來嘛但是我們回過來看可不可以要求運科中心,我時間有限了運科中心可不可以積極的參與相關訓練準則訂定跟考核尤其是考核到底是怎麼考核出來的我相信執行長你一定心裡有數是的\n\n10:43.624 --> 11:00.778\n可不可以由運科中心更加積極主導這件事情並且把相關耳哨訓練標準納入未來運科中心的研究方向因為大家都知道基層運動員其實才是國家運動發展的未來對嗎完全認同委員的講法跟委員報告現階段我們正在積極研擬我們青少年運動發展的一個建議指標我們會結合運動醫學會\n\n11:21.519 --> 11:22.599\n關於這個過度訓練的問題可不可以請署長或次長告訴我們有沒有機會\n\n11:50.530 --> 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謝謝署長 謝謝次長 謝謝主席"}]}}}}