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00:03:08,499\n各位可以看到不然是澎湖金門連江離島的投票率其實又更遠低於全國的平均投票率所以我覺得在這個部分看起來我們是不是更該盡速的完成不在籍投票的立法所以在這邊也請教主委對於我們這次的選舉罷免的總統副總統的選罷法還有公職人員的選罷法的不在籍投票目前有進度嗎\n\n10\n00:03:09,981 --> 00:03:27,134\n第一點我跟委員報告就是說這個投票率的高低恐怕沒有辦法很簡單的把它規則到一個某一個特定的單一的原因這個牽涉到很多複雜的這個因素交錯所形成的那這一點第一點說明\n\n11\n00:03:28,115 --> 00:03:41,265\n第二點說明不在即投票的部分我剛剛也說了102年就提出一次的總統副總統的而且是只限於這個移轉投票我剛有認真在聽為什麼沒有辦法完成這個立法的程序呢最主要就是說各方的意見分歧這是一個非常非常複雜的一個個人意見\n\n12\n00:03:54,855 --> 00:03:55,035\n主席\n\n13\n00:04:26,096 --> 00:04:43,885\n這個就要看大院的審查的程序了是不是能夠在這個會期裡面完成如果大家共識這麼高要推動不再舉投票大家的共識是很高如何推動擁有不同的這個看法但是最基本的跨出這一步應該是非常非常重要的\n\n14\n00:04:44,045 --> 00:05:08,478\n因為我想主委也很清楚我剛剛看你們的報告也有很多我們的委員參加各種國際的選舉的組織的各項活動所以應該很清楚在很多的民主國家不管是美國英國德國法國甚至是我們附近的日韓其實他們行使不在籍投票的選舉都已經行之有年而且也都施行的非常好那為什麼中選會針對這個部分你們有去跟他們交流學習嗎\n\n15\n00:05:09,908 --> 00:05:32,667\n有關於不在籍投票的各國實施的情形我們都有相關的資料的收集也跟我們參加的兩個會員國際組織的會員國之間大家有過討論當然各方的各國實施的這個經驗都可以作為我們的參考那在臺灣我們非常重要的就是說我們不希望一個選制的改變那對於選務能夠\n\n16\n00:05:35,970 --> 00:05:38,471\n主委參考民主國家的不在籍投票目前不在籍投票有哪幾種方式?\n\n17\n00:05:56,161 --> 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