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00:01:44,720\n這個是大家說我們公平會終於這隻老虎是有牙齒的當然我們依法去辦但是請教主委那現在衛福部取消了這個掛話會的這個天花板的機制新制上任那也已經有多家他們認為都必須要做調整而且他調整的幅度是在170塊\n\n6\n00:01:48,121 --> 00:02:15,698\n到500塊的一個條漲大起告告吧那如果回歸於機制的話換句話說那人民的部分我們要怎麼樣保護他因為在今天的報紙上面已經披露了雙北有265家的醫療院所他要漲價你看到這個訊息嗎看到那你看到了你認為你可以怎麼樣的作為呢\n\n7\n00:02:18,169 --> 00:02:43,238\n報告委員事實上衛福部公告廢除這個參考範圍之後我們也很關心這個議題那基本上各醫療院所他的規模大小是不是關係企業他在這個調整掛號費的時候如果自己去決定這個是市場機制自己去處理但是如果你已經到了可以回歸於市場機制嘛在3月4號就起來喔\n\n8\n00:02:44,298 --> 00:02:45,198\n公平交易委員會主任委員會主任\n\n9\n00:03:03,598 --> 00:03:04,419\n在什麼情況之下?\n\n10\n00:03:22,455 --> 00:03:38,853\n你們會有所懲罰的這個部分什麼條件因為要讓大家清楚希望能夠達成三贏的政策那你3月4日既然政府已經宣告了這個對於所有的民眾都會有所影響\n\n11\n00:03:39,654 --> 00:04:00,361\n合理合情當然給予尊重但是我們不希望惡意對不對那所以請問當政府3月4號提出這樣的方針的時候你們做怎麼樣的因應我們第一個我們跟全省的這個衛生單位會有一個合作如果他地方在執行的過程中發現有可疑可疑或是異常這跟我們來這個互相資訊交換之後我們會進入了解\n\n12\n00:04:06,303 --> 00:04:16,506\n你們主動出席還是等待縣市政府?我們一方面會主動出席如果有檢舉也會調查所以我剛才也跟各位說明說我們有一個聯合\n\n13\n00:04:19,577 --> 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