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00:00:25,612\n總統委員\n\n3\n00:00:53,987 --> 00:01:02,330\n本席跟主委分享是14.5萬人其實人數是非常的多這個是根據勞動部公布的資料那為什麼本席會問這個問題呢是因為現在市場盛傳Foodpanda可能會出售他在亞洲的業務給UberEats\n\n4\n00:01:17,396 --> 00:01:43,014\n那如果結合成一間公司的話那市佔率可能會超過八成那依據公平交易法第11條必須向主管機關提出申報不曉得目前是否已經有接到業者提出申報或者詢問相關結合的事宜還沒有結合申報的案件就是普天達跟UberE目前沒有\n\n5\n00:01:45,091 --> 00:02:00,254\n所以我記得第11條上面寫說假設結合的事業占市長的三分之一以上就必須要向公平交易委員會這邊來申請這個是否正確沒有錯就是如果以復篇大跟UberE這兩家假設他們要結合的話他應該是已經合自公平法要求要申報的結合門檻\n\n6\n00:02:12,977 --> 00:02:25,591\n雖然他們現在到目前為止還沒有接到他們的申請但未來不排除他們可能會結合那依據公平會過去的這個慣例是否會允許他結合呢?\n\n7\n00:02:50,296 --> 00:03:11,114\n以及其他的團體會徵詢多方的意見之後再由委員會來討論也包括會邀請消費者團體這一點也是本席所擔憂的一定假設真的他勢必會結合或者是你允許他結合一定要有一些附加的條件避免他利用其市場的規模來控制市場\n\n8\n00:03:36,469 --> 00:03:46,726\n是凱基違反當初併購時的附加條款裁罰目前兩間被罰的事業體是不是有提出異議?\n\n9\n00:03:48,939 --> 00:04:06,232\n這部分我們提出以後他們有提出行政徵送是那所以呢其實本席的重點還是在於說這個外送平台的結合希望公平會要負起嚴格把關的這個功能那另外呢其實呢\n\n10\n00:04:07,793 --> 00:04:29,880\n這個保障不只是只是這個有三個方向就是說供貨的商家外送的人員跟消費者我想他們是影響最深然後毫無溢價能力的人那對於外送人員的保障全國超過14萬個外送人員幾乎都是這兩大平台所屬那過去外送人員\n\n11\n00:04:30,620 --> 00:04:54,265\n究竟是承攬制或者是僱傭制常常有爭議那對此爭議必須與此次的結合更明確的去保障外送人員的機制這一點可能要請公平會要鳴記於心是這部分將來如果真的有結合申報我們應該要徵詢哪一些事業團體或是政府部門這我們一定會很審慎來處理\n\n12\n00:04:58,007 --> 00:05:11,864\n接下來我想要問可能大家現在目前都非常concern的一件事情就是衛福部發文取消了醫療機構這個掛號費的備查制度不曉得主委怎麼看這件事情\n\n13\n00:05:12,805 --> 00:05:19,892\n我想衛福部他的政策應該有經過他的考量那這個政策取消之後在市場上我們最關切的是這個醫療院所之間會不會聯合漲價如果是聯合漲價在公平法是不允許的所以我們會這個很密切的跟地方衛生機關合作\n\n14\n00:05:32,423 --> 00:06:00,902\n現在這個爭議就是民眾非常的憂心欸如果醫療院所4億漲價對於醫療資源缺乏的地區的這些居民是影響非常大的所以呢對於衛福部謝澤說如果醫療院所聯合漲價就去跟公平會檢舉啊你對於這件事情你是怎麼看醫療院所如果聯合漲價這個違反公平交易法的規定公平交易委員會當然要依法查處\n\n15\n00:06:02,123 --> 00:06:10,287\n那我可以請問一下諸位你覺得你們人手夠嗎因為你知道現在是一條街十幾間診所他是連診所他都\n\n16\n00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:32,051\n在他的這個監督範圍之內了那如果這個所有的民眾都來檢舉你們的人手你覺得你們夠嗎我們真的不打算向行政院提出抗議嗎我想這個部會他的政策有他的這個行程的過程但是公平會作為一個競爭主管機關即便是人手不夠也是應該要積極處理\n\n17\n00:06:33,832 --> 00:06:52,360\n我想你們當然是有苦難也但是畢竟這個衛福部是央央大部他們自己應該盡的責任不做然後卻把責任都推給你們一個委員會我真的是為你們感到不值啊所以醫療院所其實是一個特許行業那主管機關就應該負起監督的責任\n\n18\n00:06:55,461 --> 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