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00:00:39,470\n主席有請秘書長有請李秘書長羅委員好秘書長請教一下地方巡查我們監察院一年的經費是多少這個我可能要查一下我沒有什麼印象沒關係您把報告補給我好不好提供書面給我羅委員那我想根據剛剛黃國昌委員問的問題您在當立法委員的時候曾經說過地方巡查無意義因自廢對不對\n\n2\n00:00:42,072 --> 00:01:01,728\n我當立委的時候是我今天不是以立委身份來沒有關係我今天是以立法委員我非常認同李俊逸前立法委員的意見所以我來幫助李俊逸前立法委員今年的預算審查我們來協助你把地方監察巡查把預算全部砍掉讓你實現你自費的目標好不好\n\n3\n00:01:02,284 --> 00:01:30,665\n等到預算再來討論很好,所以你不反對嗎?謝謝你我沒有不反對,我說等到預算沒有關係,那我想請教您我剛剛也看到您在答詢的過程中,剛好也是有一題我要問的就是說講到我們的監察委員的這個所謂的績效然後你回答了一句說其實最近這幾屆各界的案件辦的其實差不多,是這個意思嗎?是好,這一句話我先記下來,待會我就來看看你們案件數辦的如何\n\n4\n00:01:32,179 --> 00:01:55,085\n最近我們看這個監察委員的績效可以從質跟量兩個角度來看我先來談質的問題最近蘇丹紅風暴越演越烈食安五環破工上下游全數失守那其實這個涉案的理性負責人2018年就開始進口相關的產品他的旗下十間公司都被陸續檢出蘇丹紅\n\n5\n00:01:57,245 --> 00:02:24,845\n政府竟然6年放任演變成今天的系統性的食安風暴那最離譜的是這個公司蘇丹紅產品在邊境被查驗出來之後他不是銷毀是退運然後轉一圈再用其他人頭公司的名義再進來3年前他還出了一個青辣椒粉被下游驗出有蘇丹紅退貨然後沒有將貨品銷毀然後再用同批反賣給另家廠商\n\n6\n00:02:26,986 --> 00:02:50,809\n我想要問一下監察院過去對於食安把關方面有什麼具體的作為我們對食安的個案我們查過很多案那有關羅委員剛剛提到的蘇丹紅現在立案調查非常好我期待我們的監察院對於蘇丹紅的這個立案調查能夠交給民眾我們一個滿意的結果不過我跟秘書長說\n\n7\n00:02:51,650 --> 00:03:08,366\n坦白講我對於我們監察院的辦案我不是那麼有信心為什麼先來從過去幾個食安風暴我想請教您2008年奶粉違法添加三聚氰胺事件監察院查出衛生署有沒有查出疏失\n\n8\n00:03:11,669 --> 00:03:29,408\n五大疏失通過糾正2011年塑化劑污染事件查出7個問題糾正行政院衛生署環保署2013年所謂的添加畫質澱粉事件有點像現在蘇丹紅事件類似\n\n9\n00:03:30,429 --> 00:03:43,603\n當時也糾正衛福部跟經濟部那到2017年就是我們現在蔡英文總統上任之後雞蛋剪出分埔泥請問你我們的這個監察院查的結果是什麼這個部分我們是糾正糾正農委會管理書師嘛對不對是誰哪個監委糾正的\n\n10\n00:03:55,660 --> 00:04:24,389\n第5屆的展櫃美跟王美玉委員對嘛就是馬總統提名的展櫃美嘛對不對好接下來2018年業者回收不良彈品重製液彈販售這些都是我們行政院可能認定類似所謂系統性那我想請問當時有將近百萬個黑心彈流入市面烘焙業自助餐全中標請問那個時候已經是蔡總統提名的監察委員通過了什麼\n\n11\n00:04:25,912 --> 00:04:44,567\n這個部分還在調查當中通過調查報告啦零糾正啦對不對什麼在調查通過調查報告零糾正啊我再想請教你去年發生的巴西進口袋洗產地的爭議當然你還在調查中嘛對不對所以我要告訴你從池的部分為什麼第二年的蘇丹紅到現在\n\n12\n00:04:45,868 --> 00:04:47,309\n蘇丹豪農部分是上個禮拜才立案的\n\n13\n00:05:02,743 --> 00:05:25,484\n我當然知道上禮拜亮我要講的就是你們系統性對食安的部分坦白講對政府的監督力道我覺得鞭子要再加強一點接下來我再從亮的部分來告訴你這個都是個案每一個案情都不同我告訴你沒關係啊質的部分你都變個案嘛我也懂啦我們來講亮的部分你剛剛自己講其實這幾屆監委辦的案子都亮都差不多對不對\n\n14\n00:05:27,205 --> 00:05:51,036\n請教您我們分第4屆第5屆第6屆監委第4屆的監委全是馬總統提名的第5屆有重疊一半一半對不對差不多啦有一部分是馬英九一部分蔡英文那第6屆就是全是蔡英文提名的對不對我們來比較第4屆跟第6屆全部馬英九提名跟全部蔡英文提名請問彈劾案第4屆每個月平均多少案月結多少案\n\n15\n00:05:53,991 --> 00:06:05,306\n每個月平均多少案?你們這邊寫的是兩案好謝謝齁然後呢你知道我們的蔡總統完全第6屆監委是多少?1.8嘛對不對?\n\n16\n00:06:06,888 --> 00:06:23,221\n1.8是沒有差別很大啦但是我要問你下一個囉糾正案羅遠我再補充一句齁第4屆的這個堂和案很多是兼職案件是同一類型好啦我告訴你你要再去分別我直接跟你講我再來講糾正案齁糾正案第4屆監委16.1每個月請問我們的第6屆多少\n\n17\n00:06:30,666 --> 00:06:55,604\n每個月7件啦我講的是今天通過糾正不是說今天你調查的案件你糾正案就是馬政府每個月16.1啊你的每個月全平均就是7.0啊不到一半啊那我再想請教你調查案齁請問你知道第4屆監委調查案月均多少件嗎\n\n18\n00:06:57,629 --> 00:07:13,034\n羅委員我提醒你一下第4屆的情況因為監委有缺額好啦我告訴你監委有缺額人家調查案件還比你積極喔因為太多的案件是積極案沒有我跟你講結果嘛我不要講調查案件而已我光講說結果調查案件你不能只看數字重點不在數字\n\n19\n00:07:18,096 --> 00:07:28,067\n數字你也不行那你幾個客觀數字講你們監察院的績效嘛你講不出來阿好我們就來你最關心的人權調查案號保證案號你知道第4屆監委月均多少件嗎總共1671件月均23件阿你們那麼關心人權報告\n\n20\n00:07:39,439 --> 00:07:57,966\n人權委員會是在20208月1號才成立的就算人權委員20208月1號成立人家沒有成立之前人權的調查的案件就比你要多過將近三倍我們現在人權的案子是由人權委員會來打的所以這個統計數字是沒有意義的這樣的統計數字是沒有意義的我們現在人權的案子是由人權委員會來打的\n\n21\n00:08:06,169 --> 00:08:06,950\n實安過去的查你的糾正次數是最少的\n\n22\n00:08:23,388 --> 00:08:24,008\n所以案件數不是重點嗎\n\n23\n00:08:43,410 --> 00:08:43,931\n羅委員我跟你報告啊羅委員\n\n24\n00:09:03,370 --> 00:09:27,505\n我跟妳報告第4屆是2.84案第5屆是2.7我要告訴你喔你講的是彈劾案啦我要跟你講只有彈劾案可以做指標嗎糾正案人權調查報告案都不算嗎沒關係我跟你講監察院功能髒不髒監委辦案績效好不好讓我們的社會大眾來去看那我再跟你講齁我跟你講\n\n25\n00:09:31,447 --> 00:09:48,042\n說真的我覺得我們的監察院的辦案素質我講一個親身經歷的案件你知道監察院很認真查那個所謂財產那個我們講那個政治獻金嘛對不對政治獻金財產申報對嘛很認真查嘛你也很認真查了我的政治獻金啊對不對\n\n26\n00:09:49,554 --> 00:10:01,766\n然後你知道嗎有一次監察院在2018年的2020年的時候說我的政治獻金有4筆姓名跟身份證字號不符最少的一筆306元還說要罰我6萬到120萬我想請問你齁最後結果是什麼我的申報是實還是不實\n\n27\n00:10:09,548 --> 00:10:12,130\n我告訴你我們的辦公室跟你們查詢你們態度可不是這樣\n\n28\n00:10:23,712 --> 00:10:23,872\n謝謝羅委員謝謝李委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11656\t39470\t主席有請秘書長有請李秘書長羅委員好秘書長請教一下地方巡查我們監察院一年的經費是多少這個我可能要查一下我沒有什麼印象沒關係您把報告補給我好不好提供書面給我羅委員那我想根據剛剛黃國昌委員問的問題您在當立法委員的時候曾經說過地方巡查無意義因自廢對不對\n42072\t61728\t我當立委的時候是我今天不是以立委身份來沒有關係我今天是以立法委員我非常認同李俊逸前立法委員的意見所以我來幫助李俊逸前立法委員今年的預算審查我們來協助你把地方監察巡查把預算全部砍掉讓你實現你自費的目標好不好\n62284\t90665\t等到預算再來討論很好,所以你不反對嗎?謝謝你我沒有不反對,我說等到預算沒有關係,那我想請教您我剛剛也看到您在答詢的過程中,剛好也是有一題我要問的就是說講到我們的監察委員的這個所謂的績效然後你回答了一句說其實最近這幾屆各界的案件辦的其實差不多,是這個意思嗎?是好,這一句話我先記下來,待會我就來看看你們案件數辦的如何\n92179\t115085\t最近我們看這個監察委員的績效 可以從質跟量兩個角度來看我先來談質的問題最近蘇丹紅風暴越演越烈 食安五環 破工 上下游全數失守那其實這個涉案的理性負責人 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2018年就開始進口相關的產品他的旗下十間公司都被陸續檢出蘇丹紅\n政府竟然6年放任演變成今天的系統性的食安風暴那最離譜的是這個公司蘇丹紅產品在邊境被查驗出來之後他不是銷毀是退運然後轉一圈再用其他人頭公司的名義再進來3年前他還出了一個青辣椒粉被下游驗出有蘇丹紅退貨然後沒有將貨品銷毀然後再用同批反賣給另家廠商\n我想要問一下監察院過去對於食安把關方面有什麼具體的作為我們對食安的個案我們查過很多案那有關羅委員剛剛提到的蘇丹紅現在立案調查非常好我期待我們的監察院對於蘇丹紅的這個立案調查能夠交給民眾我們一個滿意的結果不過我跟秘書長說\n坦白講我對於我們監察院的辦案我不是那麼有信心為什麼先來從過去幾個食安風暴我想請教您2008年奶粉違法添加三聚氰胺事件監察院查出衛生署有沒有查出疏失\n五大疏失通過糾正2011年塑化劑污染事件查出7個問題糾正行政院衛生署環保署2013年所謂的添加畫質澱粉事件有點像現在蘇丹紅事件類似\n當時也糾正衛福部跟經濟部那到2017年就是我們現在蔡英文總統上任之後雞蛋剪出分埔泥請問你我們的這個監察院查的結果是什麼這個部分我們是糾正糾正農委會管理書師嘛對不對是誰哪個監委糾正的\n第5屆的展櫃美跟王美玉委員對嘛就是馬總統提名的展櫃美嘛對不對好接下來2018年業者回收不良彈品重製液彈販售這些都是我們行政院可能認定類似所謂系統性那我想請問當時有將近百萬個黑心彈流入市面烘焙業自助餐全中標請問那個時候已經是蔡總統提名的監察委員通過了什麼\n這個部分還在調查當中通過調查報告啦 零糾正啦 對不對什麼在調查 通過調查報告零糾正啊我再想請教你去年發生的巴西進口袋洗產地的爭議當然你還在調查中嘛 對不對所以我要告訴你 從池的部分為什麼第二年的蘇丹紅到現在\n蘇丹豪農部分是上個禮拜才立案的\n我當然知道上禮拜亮 我要講的就是你們系統性對食安的部分坦白講對政府的監督力道 我覺得鞭子要再加強一點接下來我再從亮的部分來告訴你這個都是個案 每一個案情都不同我告訴你沒關係啊 質的部分你都變個案嘛 我也懂啦我們來講亮的部分 你剛剛自己講其實這幾屆監委辦的案子都亮都差不多 對不對\n請教您我們分第4屆第5屆第6屆監委第4屆的監委全是馬總統提名的第5屆有重疊一半一半對不對差不多啦有一部分是馬英九一部分蔡英文那第6屆就是全是蔡英文提名的對不對我們來比較第4屆跟第6屆全部馬英九提名跟全部蔡英文提名請問彈劾案第4屆每個月平均多少案月結多少案\n每個月平均多少案?你們這邊寫的是兩案好 謝謝齁然後呢你知道我們的蔡總統完全第6屆監委是多少?1.8嘛 對不對?\n1.8是沒有差別很大啦但是我要問你下一個囉 糾正案羅遠我再補充一句齁第4屆的這個堂和案很多是兼職案件是同一類型好啦我告訴你你要再去分別我直接跟你講我再來講糾正案齁糾正案第4屆監委16.1每個月請問我們的第6屆多少\n每個月7件啦我講的是今天通過糾正不是說今天你調查的案件你糾正案就是馬政府每個月16.1啊你的每個月全平均就是7.0啊不到一半啊那我再想請教你調查案齁請問你知道第4屆監委調查案月均多少件嗎\n羅委員我提醒你一下第4屆的情況因為監委有缺額好啦我告訴你監委有缺額人家調查案件還比你積極喔因為太多的案件是積極案沒有我跟你講結果嘛我不要講調查案件而已我光講說結果調查案件你不能只看數字重點不在數字\n數字你也不行那你幾個客觀數字講你們監察院的績效嘛你講不出來阿好我們就來你最關心的人權調查案號保證案號你知道第4屆監委月均多少件嗎總共1671件月均23件阿你們那麼關心人權報告\n人權委員會是在20208月1號才成立的就算人權委員20208月1號成立人家沒有成立之前人權的調查的案件就比你要多過將近三倍我們現在人權的案子是由人權委員會來打的所以這個統計數字是沒有意義的這樣的統計數字是沒有意義的我們現在人權的案子是由人權委員會來打的\n實安過去的查你的糾正次數是最少的\n所以案件數不是重點嗎\n羅委員 我跟你報告啊羅委員\n我跟妳報告第4屆是2.84案第5屆是2.7我要告訴你喔你講的是彈劾案啦我要跟你講只有彈劾案可以做指標嗎糾正案人權調查報告案都不算嗎沒關係我跟你講監察院功能髒不髒監委辦案績效好不好讓我們的社會大眾來去看那我再跟你講齁我跟你講\n說真的 我覺得我們的監察院的辦案素質我講一個親身經歷的案件你知道監察院很認真查那個所謂財產那個我們講那個政治獻金嘛 對不對政治獻金財產申報對嘛 很認真查嘛你也很認真查了我的政治獻金啊 對不對\n然後你知道嗎 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