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00:01:28,115\n有幾句一個媒體我看了寫的文章我看了非常感動那我要請教我們主委說媒體壟斷是民族就會存人這句話你同意吧我當然同意另外一句話就是思想控制跟操作比飛彈還可怕這個你也同意吧當然非常同意\n\n4\n00:01:29,226 --> 00:01:57,077\n另外還有這個寫者他講經濟強權跟政治力如果直步掏空或摧毀變成台灣民主的根基這個你同意吧我問這三個重點主委你知道是誰講的嗎所以我看起來就非常諷刺欸\n\n5\n00:02:01,278 --> 00:02:24,979\n所以我剛才已經講囉你當教授的時候我非常尊重你因為可以講出這一套的理論就代表什麼你對於媒體公正等等你是有概念的可是當了主委以後看起來你看看多少個我們的委員都國會裡面都對於你質疑為什麼\n\n6\n00:02:27,386 --> 00:02:45,160\n主委我告訴你我一輪錢給你我用我的時間給你去做改黨為什麼產生這麼大的變化跟這麼大的落差根委員報告基本上來講的話我們是依照我剛主委那個委員所講的這個原則跟方向去執行\n\n7\n00:02:46,121 --> 00:02:46,301\n主席主席\n\n8\n00:03:03,991 --> 00:03:04,491\n報告委員\n\n9\n00:03:25,985 --> 00:03:49,313\n一個案件我剛才不是主委一組的說要怎麼做就怎麼做那就被你所長知道我們合意是本來整個程序上很多人好啦我跟你說你的立場我很清楚但是不要忘了很明顯既成事實所有的人對NCC都不知道要怎麼下定論慶祝藍蘇只有台灣人民覺得NCC有\n\n10\n00:03:53,214 --> 00:03:56,438\n我個人的感覺NCC是應該要保護媒體替老百姓要有公正媒體的作為\n\n11\n00:04:14,397 --> 00:04:37,017\n但是我跟你說啊你做教授的時候你講這些話都舒適啊我也支持啊但是你做主委所做的所作所為是反差太大出入太大所以主委我不愛跟你講這個來接下來人家在講啦台灣人講一句話啦因為我也知道你也是\n\n12\n00:04:38,198 --> 00:04:44,623\n我現在要問我們主委我們主委你現在喔所有的官員裡面主委我跟你說喔你的滿意度是最低的\n\n13\n00:05:06,564 --> 00:05:27,828\n阿你齁對米阿反彈最大的就是你就是你所以主委我是提供這這是依法有計有數計的我要提供給你去做參考不要說齁陳耀祥以前教授大家尊敬他但是當了陳耀祥主委以後大家\n\n14\n00:05:28,368 --> 00:05:55,344\n說得這麼快會被淘汰,這樣就不好了你看這個資訊,中天新聞當然不是說好的嘛這不是中天啦這你剛才寫的中天新聞很清楚啦中廣也是這樣,我們不是要民調比賽民意代表就有義務要提醒你民意代表要提供資訊讓主委去作為你未來如何施政的一個參考所以我這是讓你做參考\n\n15\n00:05:57,845 --> 00:06:23,308\n接下來接下來有一個比較敏感但是事情都已經發生當初你在應徵NCC委員的時候有一個總統府密件那裡面寫說寫說什麼呢也就是說能配合處理中天有沒有這回事\n\n16\n00:06:24,571 --> 00:06:30,755\n沒有這個事情沒有這個事情我也是跟委員我看你媒體電話在寫沒有沒有沒有這有就有沒有就沒有你沒有的東西我也可是我會感覺是說無風不起浪啦但是沒關係事情過了但是總是要水落雛屍愛紅感覺說沒有你就要叫了為什麼你都不去候人我也感覺到很奇怪那這個也無所謂事情過後真的沒有這個事情真的沒有這個事情好\n\n17\n00:06:52,848 --> 00:07:02,968\n那我當然我一定相信你啦齁我一定相信你但是真的很多坊間包括媒體都議論紛紛啦\n\n18\n00:07:04,878 --> 00:07:06,259\n主席來來來主席來來主委來我要再跟你請教一下剛才我們的同仁都有講啦\n\n19\n00:07:26,508 --> 00:07:47,255\n你們在訴訟NCC所有訴訟的案件比工程單位還多為什麼沒有沒有比工程單位還多好來你如果要逼這個我跟你說我跟你講喔五年前成長八倍的訴訟會為什麼我跟你說喔一千三百一千三百一十萬訴訟會\n\n20\n00:07:50,037 --> 00:07:51,317\n主委你們就要去檢討為什麼五年來你的訴訟會會這麼多來最後一個\n\n21\n00:08:09,324 --> 00:08:24,087\n中家案是大家的這個議論紛紛啊對不對好那沒有關係比較敏感的你們現在中家案已經開滑嘛阿為什麼只有開滑賣家阿買家都不需要\n\n22\n00:08:24,448 --> 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