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00:00:45,762\n主委好,剛才聽到您講說NCC作為獨立機關那國家通訊傳播委員會作為獨立機關理應依法行政那獨立行使職權但近年來NCC未能保持中立以及獨立行使職權已經造成了信任危機那陳主委在您任內多起案件備受爭議包括撤銷中天電視換照案還有禁電視執照審查案尤其中天撤照案還主動挺華市公開呼籲給公廣\n\n3\n00:00:48,823 --> 00:01:09,501\n集團新聞頻道一個機會也在前年推動有侵犯言論自由一律的數位中介服務法造成過半民意訪談而後行政院暫緩推動那我們看到這一張簡報竟有72.3%的受訪民眾認為主委您應該下台也讓你組長的NCC不被信任度高\n\n4\n00:01:11,489 --> 00:01:39,261\n國內民眾不相信NCC是獨立公正的機關在民主社會中當政府機關不被人民信任的話是一種危機那主委你的爭議之一讓NCC公權力干涉到新聞台的新聞自由造成寒蟬效應那尊重新聞自由是民主國家政府機關必須秉持的原則同意嗎我們本來是獨立機關就依照法律依法去行政去監理做監理所以這沒有什麼這個問題了當然各界的意見我們都尊重了\n\n5\n00:01:39,801 --> 00:02:09,365\n那跟委員報告一下,特別剛剛委員有提到這個所謂的仲介法仲介法當時是為了很多事解決包括我們很多的網路犯罪、炸機或是其他的像性影像、兒少保護的議題其實仲介法我們當時只是還在徵詢階段當然外界有很多不同的聲音以後我們就是說我們也把它就停止希望在外界跟社會都溝通完以後再來處理這個議題所以後來包括很多性影像這個部分也是透過個別立法去通過的\n\n6\n00:02:09,665 --> 00:02:10,446\n主委,您有任何反省?\n\n7\n00:02:25,086 --> 00:02:40,380\n有啊,我們基本上呢,我們跟外界多回應,一直在回應當中那只是說,因為這信者恆信,不信者恆不信就變成這個議題嘛那民主社會裡面本來各種不同意見都有嘛有不同意見這個才是我們民主社會一個最珍貴的地方嘛\n\n8\n00:02:41,020 --> 00:03:07,688\n在上週五的時候本黨委員在質詢行政院院長陳院長的時候他說是否認同新聞台跟節目不該由政府去關台那後來陳院長也鬆口表示認同因為主委的公信力被質疑當時質詢的委員沒有讓您回答那這裡是交通委員會今天的議程正是跟我們國家通訊傳播委員會業務報告有關那現在請主委回答那是否認同新聞台跟節目不應該由政府去關台跟委員報告一下\n\n9\n00:03:08,548 --> 00:03:34,213\n這個就是說要不要有換照制度這個問題其實重點就在這個部分比如說我們現在在網路上因為沒有拿執照也沒有換照的問題你一個網紅或誰要都OK但是為什麼要換照制度這個部分就是政府去把關的議題就是說政府要不要透過在一定的法律授權底下對這些相關的市場去做一個把關那當時陳院長在連續被問6次的情況下最後收口是認同那主委您呢\n\n10\n00:03:34,733 --> 00:03:35,674\n那請主委回答認同還是不認同\n\n11\n00:03:58,205 --> 00:04:23,362\n那有很多的前提啦認同不認同這很多的前提OK好那獨立機關的人士受任期保障在違反相關法令的時候不管是誰執政都不可以直接解任NCC委員之職務那獨立機關人受憲法體制下之制衡跟監督那立法院對獨立機關之監督也是憲政秩序下之批要陳主委您有不少爭議之外那在上屆國會就被批評\n\n12\n00:04:23,902 --> 00:04:46,091\n不尊重國會、藐視國會那行政機關本來就應該要對立法院負責上次發生過官員藐視國會的那些案例也讓過去完全執政的民進黨遭受到不負責任阿拔的批評也讓過去立法院過半的民進黨委員背負著完全執政、完全護航的包袱請問主委是不是因為您的任期快結束了就對國會的監督不在意\n\n13\n00:04:46,471 --> 00:05:03,349\n沒有我們在一個位置每一天做到盡責盡職本來行政機關接受立法院機關立法機關的這個監督這個是憲法裡面所規定的我們也沒有藐視國會可能在行政跟立法的溝通或監督的過程裡面有些意見不一樣但是這沒有藐視國會的議題\n\n14\n00:05:05,453 --> 00:05:10,235\n主委的任期到7月底只要還在位子上的一天就得面對新國會的監督這是不分政黨不分黨派的委員都對您的喊話請問您要怎麼做調整呢\n\n15\n00:05:29,826 --> 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