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00:02:54,002\n那您覺得監察院的績效是該用哪些指標來評斷才正確其實監察院很難用特殊的指標就是最重要的是有沒有把違法失職的部分揪出來這個才是憲法賦予我們的權利是民主黨我想我告訴你我想目前事實上\n\n8\n00:02:55,383 --> 00:03:18,797\n監察院調查案件數目,大家外界普遍認為調查的案件數目低落更重要的,對於全國民眾關心的議題,監察院的監察權行使是否有速行速決我想這是大家最關心的,包含最近的金門海域的陸船翻覆事件\n\n9\n00:03:19,737 --> 00:03:41,345\n蘇丹紅的流竄全台的食安事件：以及上週陳院長表示新聞台不該由政府關台那我們看到這幾件事情各部會的表現可以說荒腔走板那問題仍然存在都沒有解決我們也看不到真相或者解決的方案\n\n10\n00:03:42,245 --> 00:04:08,699\n所以本席要在這邊強調確實案件數不是唯一評價監察院的指標因為更重要的是監察院對於人民關心的重大事件或是一些政府單位的濫權有沒有積極快速的調查是不是有所帶動有虧職守我想這個才是我們民眾最關心的所以我來跟你討論一下食安的問題\n\n11\n00:04:10,700 --> 00:04:25,716\n就林委員的部分我可以回答很快好你趕快你技術回答兩個問題第一個問題就是監察委員依憲法是賦予獨立行使職權所以這個部分我們監察院一般認定他是事後權我們只處理公務員有沒有違法失職\n\n12\n00:04:26,437 --> 00:04:52,643\n那除了這個以外：案件的快慢：案件的多寡：不是監察院考慮的重點是那個民主黨這個您都是標準答案這過去您也一直不回答委員但是我想對於重大的社會事件那您期待的就是對香港更不會我們能夠盡快的去查個水落石出給我們全民社會一個交代我們現在來看那個食安事件那請問\n\n13\n00:04:53,983 --> 00:05:17,040\n這個食安風暴事件有沒有委員已經立案調查了有蘇丹紅已經立案調查那好我整理一下這個就是我們現在關心的這個蘇丹紅的生意事件我們講行政院以及衛福部有四大荒謬之處第一個衛福部在去年就成查獲但是沒有任何作為第二個廠商違法添加竟是民眾檢舉證明邊境檢查失守\n\n14\n00:05:20,402 --> 00:05:35,273\n第三．廠商是否有做產品上下游的登記．食藥署長吳秀梅正面回應第四．蘇丹紅的事件爆發．我們行政院陳建仁自誇．食安成效好．證明高層忽視\n\n15\n00:05:36,734 --> 00:05:54,066\n衛福部在2023年就已經查獲9件蘇丹紅進口．但3次食安匯報與專報竟然是隻字未提．行政院長陳建仁還在專案報告中口口聲稱我國的食安很好．結果直到民眾檢舉蘇丹紅才爆發這件事\n\n16\n00:05:57,408 --> 00:06:18,477\n根據行政院最新的施政報告．以要求大規模的食品業者設定食安安全的監控以及追溯系統．但執政多年的執政黨、民進黨並無競速建立．如今問題仍然還在．驗證政府的食安管理、食安溯源根本就是大破功．更誇張的\n\n17\n00:06:19,918 --> 00:06:44,906\n事件發生已經超過半個月,衛福部直到3月4號才定調為系統性的食安事件。食藥署在3月6號才急忙在關網設置專區,把批號公開讓大眾查詢,民眾早就把有問題的食品已經下肚了。國人還能相信政府說食安沒有疑慮嗎?\n\n18\n00:06:46,739 --> 00:07:02,313\n現在那個衛福部在今天他表示說他會在一個月之內解決這一次的蘇丹紅的問題所以我要請教我們監察院是否也可以在近期競速就可以把這個調查報告做出來\n\n19\n00:07:03,838 --> 00:07:15,768\n跟林委員報告,您剛所說的都是行政院的事情,我監察院不便評論,但我們監察院為了這件事情已經立案調查,我們會在調查報告寫得很清楚,我希望盡快盡速啦!\n\n20\n00:07:20,412 --> 00:07:43,560\n現在衛福部講說他一個月之內就會做出做出問題的解決所以我們能不能盡快盡速我想委員都希望如此我剛才講的就是讓您了解這個問題所在所以是不是可以也在一個月之內做出調查報告這個時間的部分我沒辦法承諾這個是委員的職權已經立案調查了嘛所以我希望藝術長您能夠要求\n\n21\n00:07:46,221 --> 00:08:03,895\n我不能要求委員獨立行使職權我沒有能但是你在召開整個會議的時候沒有沒有這個都是獨立行使職權所以我不能去要求委員你這個查快一點你這個查慢一點剛才你有回答了啦但是我想人民期待的案件我們還是希望監察院盡速查明事實真相或者讓他列為重大案件的特殊委員\n\n22\n00:08:12,401 --> 00:08:12,481\n海巡署\n\n23\n00:08:38,403 --> 00:08:40,405\n立法院決議購買密錄器,但事件發生海巡人員沒有配掛密錄器\n\n24\n00:08:57,438 --> 00:08:57,578\n主席\n\n25\n00:09:14,740 --> 00:09:35,729\n還有行政院數位身份證的問題我想這次媒體也報導非常多廠商是要求求償10億在今年1月經過6次調解後雙方達成共識賠償金額在2.8億左右請問民主黨同樣的問題我們監察院是不是已經立案調查這個案子\n\n26\n00:09:37,359 --> 00:10:01,931\n我跟委員報告一下數費身分證的話我們在110年有調查過那我們的結論是要求這個內政部國發會檢討改善檢討改善這次遇到要賠償啊賠償沒有相關的人員要負責嗎只有這個案子要改善相關人員的疏失責任要不要追究這個我們會看這個委員有沒有提出自動調查\n\n27\n00:10:03,237 --> 00:10:03,517\n李卓人議員\n\n28\n00:10:19,691 --> 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民主黨我想我告訴你我想目前事實上\n175383\t198797\t監察院調查案件數目,大家外界普遍認為調查的案件數目低落更重要的,對於全國民眾關心的議題,監察院的監察權行使是否有速行速決我想這是大家最關心的,包含最近的金門海域的陸船翻覆事件\n199737\t221345\t蘇丹紅的流竄全台的食安事件：以及上週陳院長表示新聞台不該由政府關台那我們看到這幾件事情各部會的表現可以說荒腔走板那問題仍然存在都沒有解決我們也看不到真相或者解決的方案\n222245\t248699\t所以本席要在這邊強調確實案件數不是唯一評價監察院的指標因為更重要的是監察院對於人民關心的重大事件或是一些政府單位的濫權有沒有積極快速的調查是不是有所帶動有虧職守我想這個才是我們民眾最關心的所以我來跟你討論一下食安的問題\n250700\t265716\t就林委員的部分我可以回答很快好你趕快你技術回答兩個問題第一個問題就是監察委員依憲法是賦予獨立行使職權所以這個部分我們監察院一般認定他是事後權我們只處理公務員有沒有違法失職\n266437\t292643\t那除了這個以外：案件的快慢：案件的多寡：不是監察院考慮的重點是那個民主黨這個您都是標準答案這過去您也一直不回答委員但是我想對於重大的社會事件那您期待的就是對香港更不會我們能夠盡快的去查個水落石出給我們全民社會一個交代我們現在來看那個食安事件那請問\n293983\t317040\t這個食安風暴事件有沒有委員已經立案調查了有蘇丹紅已經立案調查那好我整理一下這個就是我們現在關心的這個蘇丹紅的生意事件我們講行政院以及衛福部有四大荒謬之處第一個衛福部在去年就成查獲但是沒有任何作為第二個廠商違法添加竟是民眾檢舉證明邊境檢查失守\n320402\t335273\t第三．廠商是否有做產品上下游的登記．食藥署長吳秀梅正面回應第四．蘇丹紅的事件爆發．我們行政院陳建仁自誇．食安成效好．證明高層忽視\n336734\t354066\t衛福部在2023年就已經查獲9件蘇丹紅進口．但3次食安匯報與專報竟然是隻字未提．行政院長陳建仁還在專案報告中口口聲稱我國的食安很好．結果直到民眾檢舉蘇丹紅才爆發這件事\n357408\t378477\t根據行政院最新的施政報告．以要求大規模的食品業者設定食安安全的監控以及追溯系統．但執政多年的執政黨、民進黨並無競速建立．如今問題仍然還在．驗證政府的食安管理、食安溯源根本就是大破功．更誇張的\n379918\t404906\t事件發生已經超過半個月,衛福部直到3月4號才定調為系統性的食安事件。食藥署在3月6號才急忙在關網設置專區,把批號公開讓大眾查詢,民眾早就把有問題的食品已經下肚了。國人還能相信政府說食安沒有疑慮嗎?\n406739\t422313\t現在那個衛福部在今天他表示說他會在一個月之內解決這一次的蘇丹紅的問題所以我要請教我們監察院是否也可以在近期競速就可以把這個調查報告做出來\n423838\t435768\t跟林委員報告,您剛所說的都是行政院的事情,我監察院不便評論,但我們監察院為了這件事情已經立案調查,我們會在調查報告寫得很清楚,我希望盡快盡速啦!\n440412\t463560\t現在衛福部講說他一個月之內就會做出做出問題的解決所以我們能不能盡快盡速我想委員都希望如此我剛才講的就是讓您了解這個問題所在所以是不是可以也在一個月之內做出調查報告這個時間的部分我沒辦法承諾這個是委員的職權已經立案調查了嘛所以我希望藝術長您能夠要求\n466221\t483895\t我不能要求 委員獨立行使職權我沒有能但是你在召開整個會議的時候沒有沒有 這個都是獨立行使職權所以我不能去要求委員你這個查快一點 你這個查慢一點剛才你有回答了啦但是 我想人民期待的案件我們還是希望監察院盡速查明事實真相或者讓他列為重大案件的特殊委員\n492401\t492481\t海巡署\n518403\t520405\t立法院決議購買密錄器,但事件發生海巡人員沒有配掛密錄器\n537438\t537578\t主席\n554740\t575729\t還有行政院數位身份證的問題我想這次媒體也報導非常多廠商是要求求償10億在今年1月經過6次調解後雙方達成共識賠償金額在2.8億左右請問民主黨同樣的問題我們監察院是不是已經立案調查這個案子\n577359\t601931\t我跟委員報告一下數費身分證的話我們在110年有調查過那我們的結論是要求這個內政部國發會檢討改善檢討改善這次遇到要賠償啊賠償沒有相關的人員要負責嗎只有這個案子要改善相關人員的疏失責任要不要追究這個我們會看這個委員有沒有提出自動調查\n603237\t603517\t李卓人議員\n619691\t620171\t謝謝林委員 也謝謝李秘書長\n","txt":"謝謝主席,我們請秘書長林委員好是,是秘書長好,我想針對剛才那個召委所提示的其實召委我想我們大家都不是之前的委員對於說我們邀請各部會的官員來這個列席來做業務報告\n當然我們每位委員有時候會問跟今天的專題有所不一樣的一個問題但是一定也是跟監察院的業務有關所以我們會問的題目有時候會不限於這個專題也請召委見諒大家好今天我想我剛才大家一直提到這個監察院的績效的問題我有看到好幾位委員都在問\n那你認為說這個我們去評鑑監察院的績效因為你們一直強調說不以這個案件的鑑數來評價你們的績效那你認為要用什麼樣子來作為評鑑\n我想對立法院對監察院他都是憲政機關評價社會各有自有公平所以用案件來不一定是一個合理的方式那您內部你們內部你們自己有沒有做評鑑我們自己沒有做評鑑都沒有做評鑑就看我們社會大家對你們的評價我們尊重監察委員獨立行使職權是那個其實我們秘書長因為這個我跟林委員說明一下您在我先您的說法\n監察院在今年1月20號你就曾經對外表示說外界不以僅憑調查案件的件數來評價這個監察院的績效但是監察院馬上又說112年監察院收受人民書狀16418件是近8年來每年提升所以就叫秘書長那你不是也是以案件數來說明自己的績效嗎是我跟林委員說明\n這個部分我剛剛一再強調因為憲法規定監察委員獨立行使職權所以不宜由案件的數的多少因為每個人查的案子到底是大案或小案到底查的是哪一個部分都不一樣那第二個部分來人民書狀的部分我跟委員報告人民書狀的部分就是書狀量有成長這個本來就是一個事實我們只是提出來那個事實而已每年我們把每年都討好那我再明確的問您啦我希望您能明確回答是\n那您覺得監察院的績效是該用哪些指標來評斷才正確其實監察院很難用特殊的指標就是最重要的是有沒有把違法失職的部分揪出來這個才是憲法賦予我們的權利是 民主黨我想我告訴你我想目前事實上\n監察院調查案件數目,大家外界普遍認為調查的案件數目低落更重要的,對於全國民眾關心的議題,監察院的監察權行使是否有速行速決我想這是大家最關心的,包含最近的金門海域的陸船翻覆事件\n蘇丹紅的流竄全台的食安事件：以及上週陳院長表示新聞台不該由政府關台那我們看到這幾件事情各部會的表現可以說荒腔走板那問題仍然存在都沒有解決我們也看不到真相或者解決的方案\n所以本席要在這邊強調確實案件數不是唯一評價監察院的指標因為更重要的是監察院對於人民關心的重大事件或是一些政府單位的濫權有沒有積極快速的調查是不是有所帶動有虧職守我想這個才是我們民眾最關心的所以我來跟你討論一下食安的問題\n就林委員的部分我可以回答很快好你趕快你技術回答兩個問題第一個問題就是監察委員依憲法是賦予獨立行使職權所以這個部分我們監察院一般認定他是事後權我們只處理公務員有沒有違法失職\n那除了這個以外：案件的快慢：案件的多寡：不是監察院考慮的重點是那個民主黨這個您都是標準答案這過去您也一直不回答委員但是我想對於重大的社會事件那您期待的就是對香港更不會我們能夠盡快的去查個水落石出給我們全民社會一個交代我們現在來看那個食安事件那請問\n這個食安風暴事件有沒有委員已經立案調查了有蘇丹紅已經立案調查那好我整理一下這個就是我們現在關心的這個蘇丹紅的生意事件我們講行政院以及衛福部有四大荒謬之處第一個衛福部在去年就成查獲但是沒有任何作為第二個廠商違法添加竟是民眾檢舉證明邊境檢查失守\n第三．廠商是否有做產品上下游的登記．食藥署長吳秀梅正面回應第四．蘇丹紅的事件爆發．我們行政院陳建仁自誇．食安成效好．證明高層忽視\n衛福部在2023年就已經查獲9件蘇丹紅進口．但3次食安匯報與專報竟然是隻字未提．行政院長陳建仁還在專案報告中口口聲稱我國的食安很好．結果直到民眾檢舉蘇丹紅才爆發這件事\n根據行政院最新的施政報告．以要求大規模的食品業者設定食安安全的監控以及追溯系統．但執政多年的執政黨、民進黨並無競速建立．如今問題仍然還在．驗證政府的食安管理、食安溯源根本就是大破功．更誇張的\n事件發生已經超過半個月,衛福部直到3月4號才定調為系統性的食安事件。食藥署在3月6號才急忙在關網設置專區,把批號公開讓大眾查詢,民眾早就把有問題的食品已經下肚了。國人還能相信政府說食安沒有疑慮嗎?\n現在那個衛福部在今天他表示說他會在一個月之內解決這一次的蘇丹紅的問題所以我要請教我們監察院是否也可以在近期競速就可以把這個調查報告做出來\n跟林委員報告,您剛所說的都是行政院的事情,我監察院不便評論,但我們監察院為了這件事情已經立案調查,我們會在調查報告寫得很清楚,我希望盡快盡速啦!\n現在衛福部講說他一個月之內就會做出做出問題的解決所以我們能不能盡快盡速我想委員都希望如此我剛才講的就是讓您了解這個問題所在所以是不是可以也在一個月之內做出調查報告這個時間的部分我沒辦法承諾這個是委員的職權已經立案調查了嘛所以我希望藝術長您能夠要求\n我不能要求 委員獨立行使職權我沒有能但是你在召開整個會議的時候沒有沒有 這個都是獨立行使職權所以我不能去要求委員你這個查快一點 你這個查慢一點剛才你有回答了啦但是 我想人民期待的案件我們還是希望監察院盡速查明事實真相或者讓他列為重大案件的特殊委員\n海巡署\n立法院決議購買密錄器,但事件發生海巡人員沒有配掛密錄器\n主席\n還有行政院數位身份證的問題我想這次媒體也報導非常多廠商是要求求償10億在今年1月經過6次調解後雙方達成共識賠償金額在2.8億左右請問民主黨同樣的問題我們監察院是不是已經立案調查這個案子\n我跟委員報告一下數費身分證的話我們在110年有調查過那我們的結論是要求這個內政部國發會檢討改善檢討改善這次遇到要賠償啊賠償沒有相關的人員要負責嗎只有這個案子要改善相關人員的疏失責任要不要追究這個我們會看這個委員有沒有提出自動調查\n李卓人議員\n謝謝林委員 也謝謝李秘書長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.576 --> 00:25.832\n謝謝主席,我們請秘書長林委員好是,是秘書長好,我想針對剛才那個召委所提示的其實召委我想我們大家都不是之前的委員對於說我們邀請各部會的官員來這個列席來做業務報告\n\n00:27.273 --> 00:51.602\n當然我們每位委員有時候會問跟今天的專題有所不一樣的一個問題但是一定也是跟監察院的業務有關所以我們會問的題目有時候會不限於這個專題也請召委見諒大家好今天我想我剛才大家一直提到這個監察院的績效的問題我有看到好幾位委員都在問\n\n00:52.682 --> 00:55.703\n那你認為說這個我們去評鑑監察院的績效因為你們一直強調說不以這個案件的鑑數來評價你們的績效那你認為要用什麼樣子來作為評鑑\n\n01:10.319 --> 01:27.828\n我想對立法院對監察院他都是憲政機關評價社會各有自有公平所以用案件來不一定是一個合理的方式那您內部你們內部你們自己有沒有做評鑑我們自己沒有做評鑑都沒有做評鑑就看我們社會大家對你們的評價我們尊重監察委員獨立行使職權是那個其實我們秘書長因為這個我跟林委員說明一下您在我先您的說法\n\n01:38.753 --> 02:06.663\n監察院在今年1月20號你就曾經對外表示說外界不以僅憑調查案件的件數來評價這個監察院的績效但是監察院馬上又說112年監察院收受人民書狀16418件是近8年來每年提升所以就叫秘書長那你不是也是以案件數來說明自己的績效嗎是我跟林委員說明\n\n02:07.843 --> 02:35.206\n這個部分我剛剛一再強調因為憲法規定監察委員獨立行使職權所以不宜由案件的數的多少因為每個人查的案子到底是大案或小案到底查的是哪一個部分都不一樣那第二個部分來人民書狀的部分我跟委員報告人民書狀的部分就是書狀量有成長這個本來就是一個事實我們只是提出來那個事實而已每年我們把每年都討好那我再明確的問您啦我希望您能明確回答是\n\n02:35.686 --> 02:54.002\n那您覺得監察院的績效是該用哪些指標來評斷才正確其實監察院很難用特殊的指標就是最重要的是有沒有把違法失職的部分揪出來這個才是憲法賦予我們的權利是民主黨我想我告訴你我想目前事實上\n\n02:55.383 --> 03:18.797\n監察院調查案件數目,大家外界普遍認為調查的案件數目低落更重要的,對於全國民眾關心的議題,監察院的監察權行使是否有速行速決我想這是大家最關心的,包含最近的金門海域的陸船翻覆事件\n\n03:19.737 --> 03:41.345\n蘇丹紅的流竄全台的食安事件：以及上週陳院長表示新聞台不該由政府關台那我們看到這幾件事情各部會的表現可以說荒腔走板那問題仍然存在都沒有解決我們也看不到真相或者解決的方案\n\n03:42.245 --> 04:08.699\n所以本席要在這邊強調確實案件數不是唯一評價監察院的指標因為更重要的是監察院對於人民關心的重大事件或是一些政府單位的濫權有沒有積極快速的調查是不是有所帶動有虧職守我想這個才是我們民眾最關心的所以我來跟你討論一下食安的問題\n\n04:10.700 --> 04:25.716\n就林委員的部分我可以回答很快好你趕快你技術回答兩個問題第一個問題就是監察委員依憲法是賦予獨立行使職權所以這個部分我們監察院一般認定他是事後權我們只處理公務員有沒有違法失職\n\n04:26.437 --> 04:52.643\n那除了這個以外：案件的快慢：案件的多寡：不是監察院考慮的重點是那個民主黨這個您都是標準答案這過去您也一直不回答委員但是我想對於重大的社會事件那您期待的就是對香港更不會我們能夠盡快的去查個水落石出給我們全民社會一個交代我們現在來看那個食安事件那請問\n\n04:53.983 --> 05:17.040\n這個食安風暴事件有沒有委員已經立案調查了有蘇丹紅已經立案調查那好我整理一下這個就是我們現在關心的這個蘇丹紅的生意事件我們講行政院以及衛福部有四大荒謬之處第一個衛福部在去年就成查獲但是沒有任何作為第二個廠商違法添加竟是民眾檢舉證明邊境檢查失守\n\n05:20.402 --> 05:35.273\n第三．廠商是否有做產品上下游的登記．食藥署長吳秀梅正面回應第四．蘇丹紅的事件爆發．我們行政院陳建仁自誇．食安成效好．證明高層忽視\n\n05:36.734 --> 05:54.066\n衛福部在2023年就已經查獲9件蘇丹紅進口．但3次食安匯報與專報竟然是隻字未提．行政院長陳建仁還在專案報告中口口聲稱我國的食安很好．結果直到民眾檢舉蘇丹紅才爆發這件事\n\n05:57.408 --> 06:18.477\n根據行政院最新的施政報告．以要求大規模的食品業者設定食安安全的監控以及追溯系統．但執政多年的執政黨、民進黨並無競速建立．如今問題仍然還在．驗證政府的食安管理、食安溯源根本就是大破功．更誇張的\n\n06:19.918 --> 06:44.906\n事件發生已經超過半個月,衛福部直到3月4號才定調為系統性的食安事件。食藥署在3月6號才急忙在關網設置專區,把批號公開讓大眾查詢,民眾早就把有問題的食品已經下肚了。國人還能相信政府說食安沒有疑慮嗎?\n\n06:46.739 --> 07:02.313\n現在那個衛福部在今天他表示說他會在一個月之內解決這一次的蘇丹紅的問題所以我要請教我們監察院是否也可以在近期競速就可以把這個調查報告做出來\n\n07:03.838 --> 07:15.768\n跟林委員報告,您剛所說的都是行政院的事情,我監察院不便評論,但我們監察院為了這件事情已經立案調查,我們會在調查報告寫得很清楚,我希望盡快盡速啦!\n\n07:20.412 --> 07:43.560\n現在衛福部講說他一個月之內就會做出做出問題的解決所以我們能不能盡快盡速我想委員都希望如此我剛才講的就是讓您了解這個問題所在所以是不是可以也在一個月之內做出調查報告這個時間的部分我沒辦法承諾這個是委員的職權已經立案調查了嘛所以我希望藝術長您能夠要求\n\n07:46.221 --> 08:03.895\n我不能要求委員獨立行使職權我沒有能但是你在召開整個會議的時候沒有沒有這個都是獨立行使職權所以我不能去要求委員你這個查快一點你這個查慢一點剛才你有回答了啦但是我想人民期待的案件我們還是希望監察院盡速查明事實真相或者讓他列為重大案件的特殊委員\n\n08:12.401 --> 08:12.481\n海巡署\n\n08:38.403 --> 08:40.405\n立法院決議購買密錄器,但事件發生海巡人員沒有配掛密錄器\n\n08:57.438 --> 08:57.578\n主席\n\n09:14.740 --> 09:35.729\n還有行政院數位身份證的問題我想這次媒體也報導非常多廠商是要求求償10億在今年1月經過6次調解後雙方達成共識賠償金額在2.8億左右請問民主黨同樣的問題我們監察院是不是已經立案調查這個案子\n\n09:37.359 --> 10:01.931\n我跟委員報告一下數費身分證的話我們在110年有調查過那我們的結論是要求這個內政部國發會檢討改善檢討改善這次遇到要賠償啊賠償沒有相關的人員要負責嗎只有這個案子要改善相關人員的疏失責任要不要追究這個我們會看這個委員有沒有提出自動調查\n\n10:03.237 --> 10:03.517\n李卓人議員\n\n10:19.691 --> 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