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00:02:11,663\n因為這個農林移牧各種產品非常多,那我們在…是啦,那你要怎麼針對,就沒有一個魚嘛,魚都沒有嘛,那魚會不會有人文操縱,也有可能啊。是,有需要的話我們也會一起來看。不是有需要,當然有需要我才會提醒你嘛。所以我希望你下一次就把這些品項能夠正面表列,包括農、魚、農多少品項、魚多少產項、水多少品項。\n\n6\n00:02:25,852 --> 00:02:45,331\n你不要偏重於農牧,漁業沒有所以你們這個業務要更精進另外Google演算法跟這個違反關鍵字的廣告這個關聯性的調查這個我上次在上一屆最後一個會期我質詢你嘛對不對你有沒有印象?\n\n7\n00:02:46,789 --> 00:03:10,857\n有委員有提到那個部分你說兩個月之內要完成會審然後要提到委員會討論那最後的結論是怎麼樣11月給你質詢你兩個月會審你不要我給資訊話你就聽一聽隨便給我答一答後面就沒有沒有沒有任何動作沒有任何積極作為這個我會繼續追蹤喔你告訴我你不知道說現在進度怎麼樣\n\n8\n00:03:13,479 --> 00:03:23,491\n到底有沒有完成資料會診?這部分已經委員全行的部分我們已經有提供資料那我們在這個那調查結果是怎麼樣嗎?\n\n9\n00:03:26,325 --> 00:03:26,585\n委員會主席\n\n10\n00:03:44,187 --> 00:04:05,868\n那得到結論說事實上那個關鍵字插入要形成關鍵字甚至構成不法他顯示出來是要廣告主去買關鍵字而且他要使用關鍵字功能那Google他有一些方便措施他本身就是如果廣告主或全面的你把那個我們當次你們討論的會議的議程跟結論情形跟討論情形一份資料給我\n\n11\n00:04:06,408 --> 00:04:13,636\n好沒有問題你們是用臨時動議去討論的沒有沒有我們是體委會審議你確定你們給我知道是用16334會議你們是臨時用臨時動議沒有錯嘛我們有正式討論\n\n12\n00:04:25,527 --> 00:04:37,173\n有這個討論應該有列案來到議程的討論嘛那時候因為這個我告訴你這些細節你這資料給我看你說你這邊答案戶說你要好好去打送委員會審查我們那個會審議案要處罰哪一些那列審議案那這個是根據根據這個調查的結果到委員會去說明所以他會在臨時動議裡面讓其他的委員知道這件事情那我們審議案就是已經具體個案要\n\n13\n00:04:51,761 --> 00:04:53,684\n我們有正式提報告案在委員會也有充分討論\n\n14\n00:05:07,791 --> 00:05:25,049\n這個你們把會議的整個議程,包括你們討論情形,那個會議基礎再給我一份。我知道會議的事情我為什麼會質詢,因為很重要。那你們處理你不能太草率、太輕忽啊。這樣的處理態度我覺得相對是消極的。\n\n15\n00:05:28,015 --> 00:05:28,175\n綠色的轉型\n\n16\n00:05:51,028 --> 00:06:07,359\n這個很多企業都要面臨綠色轉型的問題那這個轉型的過程中因為很複雜有很多相關的這些法律的規定並不是每個業者特別是中小型業者都不是那麼的清楚都有可能因此這個踩到這個競爭法的紅線\n\n17\n00:06:09,620 --> 00:06:37,150\n那如果在這個過程中你踩到這個紅線那這個公平會有沒有相關的這個指引辦法讓這些中小業者有所指引、有所遵循也沒有專業人員去所以一旦這個他在進行切轉的過程中如果這個踩到這個競爭法的這個紅線你們有沒有相關的這個比照日本公平會\n\n18\n00:06:38,130 --> 00:06:41,796\n有一個相關的遵法的指引。您來走後吧。我們對於這個企業\n\n19\n00:06:44,130 --> 00:07:11,906\n如何去避免有聯合行為我們有定一些指引那在平時的這個每個我們去年還做得到各個行業去針對他量身定做我針對是這個綠色轉型而且是針對這個中小企業中小企業你要綠色轉型的過程中有很多法律或者他們人才不足那需要這種相關的指引他們才有所依循嘛\n\n20\n00:07:12,506 --> 00:07:22,082\n日本公平會在去年就發布相關的遵法指引那怎麼樣讓他們避免在這個綠色轉型過程中來這個違反這個相關的獨占相關的這個公平法\n\n21\n00:07:27,953 --> 00:07:42,541\n這個部分針對中小企業律師轉型過程中你們要發布相關的指引,這樣可以嗎?可以跟委員報告一下,那個有關律師的指引,日本這個我們有掌握啦那其實它主要是針對提供業者一些比較明確不違法的依據,這個如同委員剛剛所講\n\n22\n00:07:43,661 --> 00:08:05,076\n那他所提到這些問題當然主要是涉及到同業之間聯合行為那聯合行為的目的是要實現綠色轉型的目的那對於這樣的問題我們也會遇到那我目前可以做我沒有像貝斯這樣的具體的guideline處理原則但是這如果類似的案子出現目前我們是沒有類似的案子你最好是有guideline你就不用去跟著他去做輔導\n\n23\n00:08:06,296 --> 00:08:31,125\n你看到你的概覽你就知道怎麼去處理的日本訂得出來我又不相信我們台灣訂不出來其實最主要原因是因為概覽的製作通常我們必須要有一些實際案例的經驗我們才能夠知道怎麼去訂那個具體的概覽內容不過因為目前如果真的有這個案例推脫之時我不見得說一定有實際案例的經驗你可以參走國外的立法院的經驗不要推脫之時我不曉得有沒有孩子有沒有收臨時提案如果收臨時提案委員會不收我就要在院會提臨時提案\n\n24\n00:08:32,245 --> 00:08:48,238\n你6個月之內訂立相關指引,然後讓這些中小企業在轉型過程中、綠色轉型過程中有所依據,可以嗎?我們朝這個方向來思考,不過就跟委員復了...不要說朝這個方向,你不要用這個抽象的跟我講朝這個方向思考。我想要講的就是...我已經第4屆,我必須要遵守這個質詢的相關的規範。\n\n25\n00:08:51,751 --> 00:09:10,917\n時間到了我就不能再用太多的時間因為我也講到後面這個委員諮詢的權益這個諮詢的倫理、諮詢的次序也很重要那個是不是請公平會會後再把一個主席你就直接踩一次我6個月有困難嗎?你把相關的資金訂出來我們朝這個方向來努力看看\n\n26\n00:09:12,791 --> 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這個諮詢的倫理、諮詢的次序也很重要那個是不是請公平會會後再把一個 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03:23.491\n到底有沒有完成資料會診?這部分已經委員全行的部分我們已經有提供資料那我們在這個那調查結果是怎麼樣嗎?\n\n03:26.325 --> 03:26.585\n委員會主席\n\n03:44.187 --> 04:05.868\n那得到結論說事實上那個關鍵字插入要形成關鍵字甚至構成不法他顯示出來是要廣告主去買關鍵字而且他要使用關鍵字功能那Google他有一些方便措施他本身就是如果廣告主或全面的你把那個我們當次你們討論的會議的議程跟結論情形跟討論情形一份資料給我\n\n04:06.408 --> 04:13.636\n好沒有問題你們是用臨時動議去討論的沒有沒有我們是體委會審議你確定你們給我知道是用16334會議你們是臨時用臨時動議沒有錯嘛我們有正式討論\n\n04:25.527 --> 04:37.173\n有這個討論應該有列案來到議程的討論嘛那時候因為這個我告訴你這些細節你這資料給我看你說你這邊答案戶說你要好好去打送委員會審查我們那個會審議案要處罰哪一些那列審議案那這個是根據根據這個調查的結果到委員會去說明所以他會在臨時動議裡面讓其他的委員知道這件事情那我們審議案就是已經具體個案要\n\n04:51.761 --> 04:53.684\n我們有正式提報告案在委員會也有充分討論\n\n05:07.791 --> 05:25.049\n這個你們把會議的整個議程,包括你們討論情形,那個會議基礎再給我一份。我知道會議的事情我為什麼會質詢,因為很重要。那你們處理你不能太草率、太輕忽啊。這樣的處理態度我覺得相對是消極的。\n\n05:28.015 --> 05:28.175\n綠色的轉型\n\n05:51.028 --> 06:07.359\n這個很多企業都要面臨綠色轉型的問題那這個轉型的過程中因為很複雜有很多相關的這些法律的規定並不是每個業者特別是中小型業者都不是那麼的清楚都有可能因此這個踩到這個競爭法的紅線\n\n06:09.620 --> 06:37.150\n那如果在這個過程中你踩到這個紅線那這個公平會有沒有相關的這個指引辦法讓這些中小業者有所指引、有所遵循也沒有專業人員去所以一旦這個他在進行切轉的過程中如果這個踩到這個競爭法的這個紅線你們有沒有相關的這個比照日本公平會\n\n06:38.130 --> 06:41.796\n有一個相關的遵法的指引。您來走後吧。我們對於這個企業\n\n06:44.130 --> 07:11.906\n如何去避免有聯合行為我們有定一些指引那在平時的這個每個我們去年還做得到各個行業去針對他量身定做我針對是這個綠色轉型而且是針對這個中小企業中小企業你要綠色轉型的過程中有很多法律或者他們人才不足那需要這種相關的指引他們才有所依循嘛\n\n07:12.506 --> 07:22.082\n日本公平會在去年就發布相關的遵法指引那怎麼樣讓他們避免在這個綠色轉型過程中來這個違反這個相關的獨占相關的這個公平法\n\n07:27.953 --> 07:42.541\n這個部分針對中小企業律師轉型過程中你們要發布相關的指引,這樣可以嗎?可以跟委員報告一下,那個有關律師的指引,日本這個我們有掌握啦那其實它主要是針對提供業者一些比較明確不違法的依據,這個如同委員剛剛所講\n\n07:43.661 --> 08:05.076\n那他所提到這些問題當然主要是涉及到同業之間聯合行為那聯合行為的目的是要實現綠色轉型的目的那對於這樣的問題我們也會遇到那我目前可以做我沒有像貝斯這樣的具體的guideline處理原則但是這如果類似的案子出現目前我們是沒有類似的案子你最好是有guideline你就不用去跟著他去做輔導\n\n08:06.296 --> 08:31.125\n你看到你的概覽你就知道怎麼去處理的日本訂得出來我又不相信我們台灣訂不出來其實最主要原因是因為概覽的製作通常我們必須要有一些實際案例的經驗我們才能夠知道怎麼去訂那個具體的概覽內容不過因為目前如果真的有這個案例推脫之時我不見得說一定有實際案例的經驗你可以參走國外的立法院的經驗不要推脫之時我不曉得有沒有孩子有沒有收臨時提案如果收臨時提案委員會不收我就要在院會提臨時提案\n\n08:32.245 --> 08:48.238\n你6個月之內訂立相關指引,然後讓這些中小企業在轉型過程中、綠色轉型過程中有所依據,可以嗎?我們朝這個方向來思考,不過就跟委員復了...不要說朝這個方向,你不要用這個抽象的跟我講朝這個方向思考。我想要講的就是...我已經第4屆,我必須要遵守這個質詢的相關的規範。\n\n08:51.751 --> 09:10.917\n時間到了我就不能再用太多的時間因為我也講到後面這個委員諮詢的權益這個諮詢的倫理、諮詢的次序也很重要那個是不是請公平會會後再把一個主席你就直接踩一次我6個月有困難嗎?你把相關的資金訂出來我們朝這個方向來努力看看\n\n09:12.791 --> 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