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00:01:50,780\n那我想主委也有多次表達說7月份任期到了之後就不再續任那我想主委跟團隊也要繼續加油我想這個部分我想國人對我們NCC有很大的期待那本席接著要針對所謂的一個詐騙的部分再請教一下主委就剛剛之前我們有多位委員提到所謂一個魔方移動跟中華電信的一個關係那這部分\n\n6\n00:01:52,040 --> 00:02:18,132\nNCC的調查的狀況到底是怎麼一回事我們關於魔方這個議題來講的話這個是在我覺得是雲林地檢在查這相關的詐騙案裡面所查出的另外一個部分那魔方這個部分來講的話這可能涉及這個國際漫遊卡這個議題我們也找相關的像中華電信這可能有魔方這可能是不是企客關係對他們這個KYC落實有沒有去清查那為什麼會發生這種事情\n\n7\n00:02:18,612 --> 00:02:33,235\n那對於這個檢調機關的這些查詢的部分來講我們也像中華電信也好像魔方也好我們都請他說明那至於因為有一些是屬於所謂偵查不公開的部分那我們相關也沒有所有的手頭資料所以我們目前進行的是用行政調查\n\n8\n00:02:33,976 --> 00:02:54,069\n主委那我們是不是在2021年已經廢止了它的許可沒有那個模仿以前是基本上來講是我們當原來的電信法裡面有說一類電信跟二類電信的分類方法後來我們電信管理法以後這個分類已經沒有了那所以說原來的這些二類電信業者以前是要我們許可制現在變成採自願登記制\n\n9\n00:02:57,111 --> 00:03:06,142\n本期還是要求我們NCC趕快調查清楚我想大家對這個都有一些的疑慮那應該要對外解釋清楚避免大家產生一個誤解\n\n10\n00:03:07,096 --> 00:03:28,014\n那針對所謂的這個詐騙的案件那電信業者我想也很無辜的表達說他們其實有很多的門號最後成為我們詐騙集團一個犯罪的工具那多位檢察官也表達對NCC跟電信業者的不滿認為我們電信業者沒有做好所謂一個把關的動作那甚至有檢察官反映說\n\n11\n00:03:29,835 --> 00:03:44,792\n去年的一月到三月我們大陸來台的觀光客僅有兩萬九千多人但是國內五大變性業者提供給大陸人士來台的一個漫遊門號竟然高達一百萬隻以上那這個狀況我們NCC了解的狀況是怎麼樣?\n\n12\n00:03:45,733 --> 00:04:08,386\n各位報告一下這個我們在商會其實說也說明清楚就是說基本上那個統計數字來講的話應該沒有那麼多的數量那可能是說因為比如說漫遊進來它可能會漫遊到中華電信也同時可能會漫遊到台客大或是那個遠傳因為它會移動嘛所以這個部分來講很多都是所謂重複計算的問題我們這個去年的報告裡面也有說到這個部分\n\n13\n00:04:09,026 --> 00:04:14,073\n我們也希望像這種情況有沒有可能有詐騙集團去申辦這個門號的部分我們都配合檢調機關去處理\n\n14\n00:04:18,037 --> 00:04:43,212\n我想因為這個打炸也是我們現在國安問題那我想檢調也披於半面那NCC作為我們的一個主管機關也應該要負起應該相關的責任那我想目前我還是要提醒我們的NCC那我們過去三年針對我們電信業者違規販賣門號的裁發案件才22件那所以造成檢察官也有很多的雜音跟不滿\n\n15\n00:04:44,133 --> 00:04:58,663\n那所謂NCC針對所謂的一個大量販售門號的SOP的部分是不是有一個怎麼樣具體的一個作為有我們是依照電信管理法還有以前那個關於這些所謂原來的二類這不是依照原來的電信法去採訪\n\n16\n00:05:00,564 --> 00:05:20,775\n簡單來講就是說他沒有落實KYC造成這個所謂的有可能有這種詐欺案子被這個電話號碼被用到詐欺的手段裡面去我們有去進行採取比如說以前我們那個臺灣之心我們才採取1600萬以上所以這個部分來講我們還是會下說只要他違規事實情節清楚而且有確實的證據我們還會還是予以重罰\n\n17\n00:05:23,837 --> 00:05:32,635\n主委那這部分是不是我們在兩個月之內給本席的辦公室一個完整的檢討報告好不好我們這個給委員這部分我想我們國人大家都很關心\n\n18\n00:05:34,042 --> 00:06:03,377\n那另外在針對上個禮拜或針對我們的這個遠距醫療的部分我們有請教過我們數位部的唐部長那我想今天也請教一下主委那因為對對外來講我們都跟國人講說我們5G的涵蓋率非常的高到達96%但是根據本席的了解我們屏東的涵蓋率確實是沒有一個很明顯的一個數字那我請教一下主委屏東目前的涵蓋率大概是有多少\n\n19\n00:06:03,977 --> 00:06:27,342\n各位委員報告基本上來講是都會地區還是偏鄉地區我們屏東也不全部都是所謂的偏鄉比如說以屏東市來講它也是都會地區那各地有各地不同的涵蓋率那剛才委員所關心的這個遠距醫療我實際是去過小琉球去看過其實他們遠距醫療在電信業者跟我們地方的這個衛生主管機關在通力合作之下有一個不錯的成果\n\n20\n00:06:27,862 --> 00:06:51,973\n那這個部分來講為什麼5G的涵蓋率會比較那個就是說勝率會比較低那是因為5G的特性跟實際不太一樣5G基本上來講它的頻寬的比較大所以很適合做這種所謂智慧醫療或是智慧相關智慧程式的這個運用那這個涵蓋率的部分來講的話我們會請我們的那個同仁把這個涵蓋率如果委員有這個需要我們提供給委員了解\n\n21\n00:06:52,693 --> 00:07:12,045\n這部分還是要請主委跟我們團隊要加油因為看起來目前的滲透率才差不多三成左右那我想對於我們這個屏東這個很多偏鄉的來講這個遠距醫療是非常重要的一個需求這部分要請主委跟我們數位部我們一起來努力強化這個部分\n\n22\n00:07:13,928 --> 00:07:28,427\n那本席也調閱了各個業者自己做的4G跟5G一個信號涵蓋率的地區那看起來屏東縣幾乎還是4G居多啦跟我們所謂的這個高5G的高涵蓋率還是有落差那這部分\n\n23\n00:07:29,868 --> 00:07:55,698\n請問主委怎麼樣再要求我們業者再強化這部分是不是可以給我們的辦公室一個兩個月之前一個完整的一個數碼我們會督促業者尤其在偏鄉有比較遠距醫療需求或在其他有關於這個所謂資訊應用的部分我們會督促業者持續加強這個建設當然有些現在很多的這個所謂的關鍵基礎設施這部分已經移到數位部去但我們會數位部共同合作來處理謝謝\n\n24\n00:07:57,218 --> 00:08:18,510\n這我清楚但是本期還是希望我們NCC能夠跟我們數位部能夠密切合作畢竟這個是我們電信業者也是比較聽我們的不會聽數位部的所以這部分還是請主委這邊能夠重視一下我們屏東整個醫療遠距醫療的品質跟建制的速度本期的質詢到這邊結束謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5574\t8253\t謝主席,有請陳主委好,陳主委請\n14775\t33789\t委員好 主委好 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這個我們在商會其實說也說明清楚就是說基本上那個統計數字來講的話應該沒有那麼多的數量那可能是說因為比如說漫遊進來它可能會漫遊到中華電信也同時可能會漫遊到台客大或是那個遠傳因為它會移動嘛所以這個部分來講很多都是所謂重複計算的問題我們這個去年的報告裡面也有說到這個部分\n249026\t254073\t我們也希望像這種情況有沒有可能有詐騙集團去申辦這個門號的部分我們都配合檢調機關去處理\n258037\t283212\t我想因為這個打炸也是我們現在國安問題那我想檢調也披於半面那NCC作為我們的一個主管機關也應該要負起應該相關的責任那我想目前我還是要提醒我們的NCC那我們過去三年針對我們電信業者違規販賣門號的裁發案件才22件那所以造成檢察官也有很多的雜音跟不滿\n284133\t298663\t那所謂NCC針對所謂的一個大量販售門號的SOP的部分是不是有一個怎麼樣具體的一個作為有我們是依照電信管理法還有以前那個關於這些所謂原來的二類這不是依照原來的電信法去採訪\n300564\t320775\t簡單來講就是說他沒有落實KYC造成這個所謂的有可能有這種詐欺案子被這個電話號碼被用到詐欺的手段裡面去我們有去進行採取比如說以前我們那個臺灣之心我們才採取1600萬以上所以這個部分來講我們還是會下說只要他違規事實情節清楚而且有確實的證據我們還會還是予以重罰\n323837\t332635\t主委那這部分是不是我們在兩個月之內給本席的辦公室一個完整的檢討報告好不好我們這個給委員這部分我想我們國人大家都很關心\n334042\t363377\t那另外在針對上個禮拜或針對我們的這個遠距醫療的部分我們有請教過我們數位部的唐部長那我想今天也請教一下主委那因為對對外來講我們都跟國人講說我們5G的涵蓋率非常的高到達96%但是根據本席的了解我們屏東的涵蓋率確實是沒有一個很明顯的一個數字那我請教一下主委屏東目前的涵蓋率大概是有多少\n363977\t387342\t各位委員報告基本上來講是都會地區還是偏鄉地區我們屏東也不全部都是所謂的偏鄉比如說以屏東市來講它也是都會地區那各地有各地不同的涵蓋率那剛才委員所關心的這個遠距醫療我實際是去過小琉球去看過其實他們遠距醫療在電信業者跟我們地方的這個衛生主管機關在通力合作之下有一個不錯的成果\n387862\t411973\t那這個部分來講為什麼5G的涵蓋率會比較那個就是說勝率會比較低那是因為5G的特性跟實際不太一樣5G基本上來講它的頻寬的比較大所以很適合做這種所謂智慧醫療或是智慧相關智慧程式的這個運用那這個涵蓋率的部分來講的話我們會請我們的那個同仁把這個涵蓋率如果委員有這個需要我們提供給委員了解\n412693\t432045\t這部分還是要請主委跟我們團隊要加油因為看起來目前的滲透率才差不多三成左右那我想對於我們這個屏東這個很多偏鄉的來講這個遠距醫療是非常重要的一個需求這部分要請主委跟我們數位部我們一起來努力強化這個部分\n433928\t448427\t那本席也調閱了各個業者自己做的4G跟5G一個信號涵蓋率的地區那看起來屏東縣幾乎還是4G居多啦跟我們所謂的這個高5G的高涵蓋率還是有落差那這部分\n449868\t475698\t請問主委怎麼樣再要求我們業者再強化這部分是不是可以給我們的辦公室一個兩個月之前一個完整的一個數碼我們會督促業者尤其在偏鄉有比較遠距醫療需求或在其他有關於這個所謂資訊應用的部分我們會督促業者持續加強這個建設當然有些現在很多的這個所謂的關鍵基礎設施這部分已經移到數位部去但我們會數位部共同合作來處理謝謝\n477218\t498510\t這我清楚但是本期還是希望我們NCC能夠跟我們數位部能夠密切合作畢竟這個是我們電信業者也是比較聽我們的不會聽數位部的所以這部分還是請主委這邊能夠重視一下我們屏東整個醫療遠距醫療的品質跟建制的速度本期的質詢到這邊結束謝謝\n","txt":"謝主席,有請陳主委好,陳主委請\n委員好 主委好 主委本席過去也在媒體服務那我想新聞媒體的自由絕對是應該中立不受到政治干預那我們NCC作為一個獨立機關客觀中立的處理媒體還有傳播事業的一個規範我想這是應該主委跟我們團隊這個應該堅守的一個原則\n主委,剛剛委員會有表決通過了一個譴責案也有一個所謂的一個調閱小組那針對這個事情,主委本身有什麼看法?包委員,基本上就監獵室這個部分我們在上屆上個會期來講的話已經進行了5次的專案報告那監獵室這個部分來講的話當時當然因為他們可能公司治理內部的這些股東或者是說有一些不同的那個對公司治理這邊的爭論\n那NCC作為一個獨立機關我們本來就不會去介入所謂公私不統之間對整個公私經營權的這種所謂的爭議或者爭奪也好那這個才是我們獨立機關應該要去做的就是說尊重言論自由尊重新聞自由的前提下去處理這個議題\n那我想主委也有多次表達說7月份任期到了之後就不再續任那我想主委跟團隊也要繼續加油我想這個部分我想國人對我們NCC有很大的期待那本席接著要針對所謂的一個詐騙的部分再請教一下主委就剛剛之前我們有多位委員提到所謂一個魔方移動跟中華電信的一個關係那這部分\nNCC的調查的狀況到底是怎麼一回事我們關於魔方這個議題來講的話這個是在我覺得是雲林地檢在查這相關的詐騙案裡面所查出的另外一個部分那魔方這個部分來講的話這可能涉及這個國際漫遊卡這個議題我們也找相關的像中華電信這可能有魔方這可能是不是企客關係對他們這個KYC落實有沒有去清查那為什麼會發生這種事情\n那對於這個檢調機關的這些查詢的部分來講我們也像中華電信也好像魔方也好我們都請他說明那至於因為有一些是屬於所謂偵查不公開的部分那我們相關也沒有所有的手頭資料所以我們目前進行的是用行政調查\n主委那我們是不是在2021年已經廢止了它的許可沒有那個模仿以前是基本上來講是我們當原來的電信法裡面有說一類電信跟二類電信的分類方法後來我們電信管理法以後這個分類已經沒有了那所以說原來的這些二類電信業者以前是要我們許可制現在變成採自願登記制\n本期還是要求我們NCC趕快調查清楚我想大家對這個都有一些的疑慮那應該要對外解釋清楚避免大家產生一個誤解\n那針對所謂的這個詐騙的案件那電信業者我想也很無辜的表達說他們其實有很多的門號最後成為我們詐騙集團一個犯罪的工具那多位檢察官也表達對NCC跟電信業者的不滿認為我們電信業者沒有做好所謂一個把關的動作那甚至有檢察官反映說\n去年的一月到三月我們大陸來台的觀光客僅有兩萬九千多人但是國內五大變性業者提供給大陸人士來台的一個漫遊門號竟然高達一百萬隻以上那這個狀況我們NCC了解的狀況是怎麼樣?\n各位報告一下 這個我們在商會其實說也說明清楚就是說基本上那個統計數字來講的話應該沒有那麼多的數量那可能是說因為比如說漫遊進來它可能會漫遊到中華電信也同時可能會漫遊到台客大或是那個遠傳因為它會移動嘛所以這個部分來講很多都是所謂重複計算的問題我們這個去年的報告裡面也有說到這個部分\n我們也希望像這種情況有沒有可能有詐騙集團去申辦這個門號的部分我們都配合檢調機關去處理\n我想因為這個打炸也是我們現在國安問題那我想檢調也披於半面那NCC作為我們的一個主管機關也應該要負起應該相關的責任那我想目前我還是要提醒我們的NCC那我們過去三年針對我們電信業者違規販賣門號的裁發案件才22件那所以造成檢察官也有很多的雜音跟不滿\n那所謂NCC針對所謂的一個大量販售門號的SOP的部分是不是有一個怎麼樣具體的一個作為有我們是依照電信管理法還有以前那個關於這些所謂原來的二類這不是依照原來的電信法去採訪\n簡單來講就是說他沒有落實KYC造成這個所謂的有可能有這種詐欺案子被這個電話號碼被用到詐欺的手段裡面去我們有去進行採取比如說以前我們那個臺灣之心我們才採取1600萬以上所以這個部分來講我們還是會下說只要他違規事實情節清楚而且有確實的證據我們還會還是予以重罰\n主委那這部分是不是我們在兩個月之內給本席的辦公室一個完整的檢討報告好不好我們這個給委員這部分我想我們國人大家都很關心\n那另外在針對上個禮拜或針對我們的這個遠距醫療的部分我們有請教過我們數位部的唐部長那我想今天也請教一下主委那因為對對外來講我們都跟國人講說我們5G的涵蓋率非常的高到達96%但是根據本席的了解我們屏東的涵蓋率確實是沒有一個很明顯的一個數字那我請教一下主委屏東目前的涵蓋率大概是有多少\n各位委員報告基本上來講是都會地區還是偏鄉地區我們屏東也不全部都是所謂的偏鄉比如說以屏東市來講它也是都會地區那各地有各地不同的涵蓋率那剛才委員所關心的這個遠距醫療我實際是去過小琉球去看過其實他們遠距醫療在電信業者跟我們地方的這個衛生主管機關在通力合作之下有一個不錯的成果\n那這個部分來講為什麼5G的涵蓋率會比較那個就是說勝率會比較低那是因為5G的特性跟實際不太一樣5G基本上來講它的頻寬的比較大所以很適合做這種所謂智慧醫療或是智慧相關智慧程式的這個運用那這個涵蓋率的部分來講的話我們會請我們的那個同仁把這個涵蓋率如果委員有這個需要我們提供給委員了解\n這部分還是要請主委跟我們團隊要加油因為看起來目前的滲透率才差不多三成左右那我想對於我們這個屏東這個很多偏鄉的來講這個遠距醫療是非常重要的一個需求這部分要請主委跟我們數位部我們一起來努力強化這個部分\n那本席也調閱了各個業者自己做的4G跟5G一個信號涵蓋率的地區那看起來屏東縣幾乎還是4G居多啦跟我們所謂的這個高5G的高涵蓋率還是有落差那這部分\n請問主委怎麼樣再要求我們業者再強化這部分是不是可以給我們的辦公室一個兩個月之前一個完整的一個數碼我們會督促業者尤其在偏鄉有比較遠距醫療需求或在其他有關於這個所謂資訊應用的部分我們會督促業者持續加強這個建設當然有些現在很多的這個所謂的關鍵基礎設施這部分已經移到數位部去但我們會數位部共同合作來處理謝謝\n這我清楚但是本期還是希望我們NCC能夠跟我們數位部能夠密切合作畢竟這個是我們電信業者也是比較聽我們的不會聽數位部的所以這部分還是請主委這邊能夠重視一下我們屏東整個醫療遠距醫療的品質跟建制的速度本期的質詢到這邊結束謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.574 --> 00:08.253\n謝主席,有請陳主委好,陳主委請\n\n00:14.775 --> 00:33.789\n委員好主委好主委本席過去也在媒體服務那我想新聞媒體的自由絕對是應該中立不受到政治干預那我們NCC作為一個獨立機關客觀中立的處理媒體還有傳播事業的一個規範我想這是應該主委跟我們團隊這個應該堅守的一個原則\n\n00:37.651 --> 01:05.483\n主委,剛剛委員會有表決通過了一個譴責案也有一個所謂的一個調閱小組那針對這個事情,主委本身有什麼看法?包委員,基本上就監獵室這個部分我們在上屆上個會期來講的話已經進行了5次的專案報告那監獵室這個部分來講的話當時當然因為他們可能公司治理內部的這些股東或者是說有一些不同的那個對公司治理這邊的爭論\n\n01:06.724 --> 01:23.249\n那NCC作為一個獨立機關我們本來就不會去介入所謂公私不統之間對整個公私經營權的這種所謂的爭議或者爭奪也好那這個才是我們獨立機關應該要去做的就是說尊重言論自由尊重新聞自由的前提下去處理這個議題\n\n01:24.810 --> 01:50.780\n那我想主委也有多次表達說7月份任期到了之後就不再續任那我想主委跟團隊也要繼續加油我想這個部分我想國人對我們NCC有很大的期待那本席接著要針對所謂的一個詐騙的部分再請教一下主委就剛剛之前我們有多位委員提到所謂一個魔方移動跟中華電信的一個關係那這部分\n\n01:52.040 --> 02:18.132\nNCC的調查的狀況到底是怎麼一回事我們關於魔方這個議題來講的話這個是在我覺得是雲林地檢在查這相關的詐騙案裡面所查出的另外一個部分那魔方這個部分來講的話這可能涉及這個國際漫遊卡這個議題我們也找相關的像中華電信這可能有魔方這可能是不是企客關係對他們這個KYC落實有沒有去清查那為什麼會發生這種事情\n\n02:18.612 --> 02:33.235\n那對於這個檢調機關的這些查詢的部分來講我們也像中華電信也好像魔方也好我們都請他說明那至於因為有一些是屬於所謂偵查不公開的部分那我們相關也沒有所有的手頭資料所以我們目前進行的是用行政調查\n\n02:33.976 --> 02:54.069\n主委那我們是不是在2021年已經廢止了它的許可沒有那個模仿以前是基本上來講是我們當原來的電信法裡面有說一類電信跟二類電信的分類方法後來我們電信管理法以後這個分類已經沒有了那所以說原來的這些二類電信業者以前是要我們許可制現在變成採自願登記制\n\n02:57.111 --> 03:06.142\n本期還是要求我們NCC趕快調查清楚我想大家對這個都有一些的疑慮那應該要對外解釋清楚避免大家產生一個誤解\n\n03:07.096 --> 03:28.014\n那針對所謂的這個詐騙的案件那電信業者我想也很無辜的表達說他們其實有很多的門號最後成為我們詐騙集團一個犯罪的工具那多位檢察官也表達對NCC跟電信業者的不滿認為我們電信業者沒有做好所謂一個把關的動作那甚至有檢察官反映說\n\n03:29.835 --> 03:44.792\n去年的一月到三月我們大陸來台的觀光客僅有兩萬九千多人但是國內五大變性業者提供給大陸人士來台的一個漫遊門號竟然高達一百萬隻以上那這個狀況我們NCC了解的狀況是怎麼樣?\n\n03:45.733 --> 04:08.386\n各位報告一下這個我們在商會其實說也說明清楚就是說基本上那個統計數字來講的話應該沒有那麼多的數量那可能是說因為比如說漫遊進來它可能會漫遊到中華電信也同時可能會漫遊到台客大或是那個遠傳因為它會移動嘛所以這個部分來講很多都是所謂重複計算的問題我們這個去年的報告裡面也有說到這個部分\n\n04:09.026 --> 04:14.073\n我們也希望像這種情況有沒有可能有詐騙集團去申辦這個門號的部分我們都配合檢調機關去處理\n\n04:18.037 --> 04:43.212\n我想因為這個打炸也是我們現在國安問題那我想檢調也披於半面那NCC作為我們的一個主管機關也應該要負起應該相關的責任那我想目前我還是要提醒我們的NCC那我們過去三年針對我們電信業者違規販賣門號的裁發案件才22件那所以造成檢察官也有很多的雜音跟不滿\n\n04:44.133 --> 04:58.663\n那所謂NCC針對所謂的一個大量販售門號的SOP的部分是不是有一個怎麼樣具體的一個作為有我們是依照電信管理法還有以前那個關於這些所謂原來的二類這不是依照原來的電信法去採訪\n\n05:00.564 --> 05:20.775\n簡單來講就是說他沒有落實KYC造成這個所謂的有可能有這種詐欺案子被這個電話號碼被用到詐欺的手段裡面去我們有去進行採取比如說以前我們那個臺灣之心我們才採取1600萬以上所以這個部分來講我們還是會下說只要他違規事實情節清楚而且有確實的證據我們還會還是予以重罰\n\n05:23.837 --> 05:32.635\n主委那這部分是不是我們在兩個月之內給本席的辦公室一個完整的檢討報告好不好我們這個給委員這部分我想我們國人大家都很關心\n\n05:34.042 --> 06:03.377\n那另外在針對上個禮拜或針對我們的這個遠距醫療的部分我們有請教過我們數位部的唐部長那我想今天也請教一下主委那因為對對外來講我們都跟國人講說我們5G的涵蓋率非常的高到達96%但是根據本席的了解我們屏東的涵蓋率確實是沒有一個很明顯的一個數字那我請教一下主委屏東目前的涵蓋率大概是有多少\n\n06:03.977 --> 06:27.342\n各位委員報告基本上來講是都會地區還是偏鄉地區我們屏東也不全部都是所謂的偏鄉比如說以屏東市來講它也是都會地區那各地有各地不同的涵蓋率那剛才委員所關心的這個遠距醫療我實際是去過小琉球去看過其實他們遠距醫療在電信業者跟我們地方的這個衛生主管機關在通力合作之下有一個不錯的成果\n\n06:27.862 --> 06:51.973\n那這個部分來講為什麼5G的涵蓋率會比較那個就是說勝率會比較低那是因為5G的特性跟實際不太一樣5G基本上來講它的頻寬的比較大所以很適合做這種所謂智慧醫療或是智慧相關智慧程式的這個運用那這個涵蓋率的部分來講的話我們會請我們的那個同仁把這個涵蓋率如果委員有這個需要我們提供給委員了解\n\n06:52.693 --> 07:12.045\n這部分還是要請主委跟我們團隊要加油因為看起來目前的滲透率才差不多三成左右那我想對於我們這個屏東這個很多偏鄉的來講這個遠距醫療是非常重要的一個需求這部分要請主委跟我們數位部我們一起來努力強化這個部分\n\n07:13.928 --> 07:28.427\n那本席也調閱了各個業者自己做的4G跟5G一個信號涵蓋率的地區那看起來屏東縣幾乎還是4G居多啦跟我們所謂的這個高5G的高涵蓋率還是有落差那這部分\n\n07:29.868 --> 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