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00:02:56,332\n所謂的再犯指的是說所謂的再犯指的是同一個選務人員他可能在不不不就是整個選舉事務你不斷的發生你不斷的發生我們就是不斷的糾正你為什麼你還是沒有辦法做到呢這個當然在獎程的部分我們必須要檢討\n\n9\n00:02:57,590 --> 00:03:16,977\n這個獎程的部分因為說實話其實一整天的工作其實相關的這個加班費也不是真的那麼多啦我想主委你也很清楚可是如果把這個懲罰條例放進來之後你真的覺得會不會就因此減少了選務人員參與的熱情跟可能性所以我們當然也支持有相對應的獎程可是我覺得更重要應該是主委您剛剛說的教育訓練辦法\n\n10\n00:03:19,958 --> 00:03:48,593\n教育訓練到底有沒有落實：每一個投開票所的主委他們到底怎麼看待這件事情我覺得這裡面很重要是牽扯到一般的大人到底怎麼看待小孩進入投開票所這件事情我覺得這個態度跟這個視角是不是可以主委請主委在這邊做更清楚的宣示因為我們也很好奇到底相關教育訓練課程內容是什麼相關手冊相關的教案到底是如何讓這邊選務人員清楚的真的有得到這個概念主委可不可以請您說明一下\n\n11\n00:03:49,193 --> 00:04:07,268\n我們有這個選務工作人員執行業務的一個手冊這也是我們最主要的教育訓練的一個教材這個教材可以對外公開嗎這個在我們的網站上都可以找到那第二個為了淺顯易懂所以我們有這個動畫\n\n12\n00:04:10,490 --> 00:04:11,491\n選務人員的教育訓練是單獨的舉辦但是我們選務單位都會派人去提供他們一些資訊\n\n13\n00:04:34,511 --> 00:04:34,731\n中央選舉委員會\n\n14\n00:04:57,415 --> 00:04:57,475\n陳培瑜\n\n15\n00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,021\n我們受理這個案子的地方選委會已經深切的檢討\n\n16\n00:05:36,914 --> 00:05:38,636\n所以除了這個案例的這個縣市之外其他的縣市也如同主委您說的有做了補強或宣示\n\n17\n00:05:59,275 --> 00:05:59,555\n中央選舉委員會主席\n\n18\n00:06:16,937 --> 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