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00:00:30,754\n主席謝謝麻煩請陳耀祥主委好主委請大家好陳主委兩個議題跟你討論第16頁你今天的業務報告裡面特別有強調說加強抽驗無線機上核也就是我們比較俗稱的不管什麼安卓盒子安博盒子等等嘛對不對到目前為止到底市面上有沒有所謂NCC認證的這一些電視機上核\n\n2\n00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:57,523\n岸柏盒子安卓盒子那是所謂的什麼基上盒這部分一定要送我們實驗才是合法的基上盒那剛剛委員所了解這種說像岸柏或是這種類似功能當然都會有如果是合法都要經過我們實驗但是現在網路上我隨便在拍賣網站上面查都還是可以查得到什麼越獄破解版什麼\n\n3\n00:00:59,403 --> 00:01:20,832\n最新升級有發票有保固豪華越獄版那這一些算是合法還非法跟委員報告一下就是說我們有個OTTTV平台就是這樣有些東西是我們處理我們負責那個形式驗證那這個剛剛委員所關心的這個部分是侵權的問題就是侵害著作權的問題我們有請那個所謂相關檢調還有檢調還有那個警察去處理這個議題\n\n4\n00:01:24,153 --> 00:01:40,389\n是,那到目前為止我們主動的查緝或是主動的了解有多少件?我們主動查緝有多少件?因為本席認為是說這一件事情其實從過去到現在我們一而再再三在討論\n\n5\n00:01:41,530 --> 00:01:59,251\n但是到目前為止你只要上拍賣網站都還是可以查你甚至不用任何的技巧不用任何的關鍵字啊你就打入第10代第9代第11代豪華越獄版而且本席就覺得說感覺是向公權力挑戰啊\n\n6\n00:02:00,012 --> 00:02:28,059\n略遇破解版馬上可看甚至上面還有講什麼還有講說這是NCC認證啊但是本席一查用那個型號一丟進你們的這個網站上面一查抱歉他出現是什麼他出現是本驗證證明已經廢止換言之是什麼換言之業者他就是用一個似是而非的一個序號好像讓他以為是NCC認證官方掛保證但實際上不是啊\n\n7\n00:02:28,399 --> 00:02:28,579\n委員會主席\n\n8\n00:02:43,703 --> 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