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\n三、3月12日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"立法院第11屆第1會期第4次會議","id":"院會-11-1-4","type":"院會","term":11,"sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":4},"date":"2024-03-12","duration":934,"end_time":"2024-03-12T09:48:18+08:00","start_time":"2024-03-12T09:32:44+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":100,"blocks":[["陳委員玉珍：（9時32分）主席，我們請陳院長。"],["主席：麻煩再請陳院長備詢。"],["陳委員玉珍：相關部會如果有問到就自己上來，不然就讓院長自己回答也可以。"],["陳院長建仁：陳委員早！恭喜陳委員當選連任。"],["陳委員玉珍：院長早！謝謝院長，歡迎再到金門給我們指導。院長，您說過福國利民政策不會因為是看守內閣就不續推嘛？"],["陳院長建仁：是！"],["陳委員玉珍：我們下面有幾件事情，也請院長很快地來協助我們金門地區。"],["陳院長建仁：好，我來聆聽。"],["陳委員玉珍：第一個，金門的大同之家事實上床位非常的擁擠，因為金門人口老年化非常地嚴重，所以大同之家事實上已經是一床難求、一位難求，大概都要等很久。之前在選前的時候，警政署在金門有一個警光會館，使用率非常低，那時候本席曾經請警政署去辦過會勘，要把金門的警光會館轉型成大同之家的二館，讓我們的老年人可以及早進駐。後來我在內政委員會也質詢過林部長，我知道目前的進度，部長那時候說這要等金門縣政府簽公文上來才會往下辦理，據我瞭解金門縣政府已經把相關的計畫送上來了，警政署署長也已經同意了，現在公文是到林部長的手上。部長，案子是到你手上決行就可以了嗎？還是要到我們院長這裡？應該不用吧！"],["陳院長建仁：我們請部長。"],["陳委員玉珍：部長您先回答一下。"],["林部長右昌：謝謝委員。這個案子還沒有到我的桌上，不過，我詢問最新……"],["陳委員玉珍：據我瞭解署長已經同意了。"],["林部長右昌：我詢問最新的資訊是已經送到部裡面了，我們會儘快簽辦。"],["陳委員玉珍：到您這邊就可以了，這個部長決行就行了？"],["林部長右昌：這個應該到部就可以了。"],["陳委員玉珍：部長，您對這一點會同意嗎？警政署已經同意了，就是把警光會館變成大同之家的二館。"],["林部長右昌：是！"],["陳委員玉珍：我們還是會留一些空間給警政署使用，還是有的。"],["林部長右昌：我想這一部分如果警政署跟金門縣政府已經協調好，原則上我們會來支持，不過就是跟委員報告，後續預算的部分……"],["陳委員玉珍：大家再來討論後面怎麼來整建各方面，謝謝，我們把警光會館就轉型成大同之家二館，讓金門的老年人可以及早入住大同之家。"],["陳院長建仁：這是好事。"],["陳委員玉珍：對，謝謝院長，謝謝院長支持，預算也要支持。","接著國家公園的部分，106年金門國家公園的範圍占了金門全島大概1/4，民眾對這個，因為國家公園當然幫我們做得很好，保存建設也很好，但是也有很多的限制造成居民的不便，不過我們金門一直希望比照澎湖跟馬祖做成風景管理區，現在每5年就有一次通盤檢討，這次第三次通盤檢討是從106年開始，這個通盤檢討因為中間遇到疫情，106年到現在，這個叫做三通，第三次通盤檢討，到目前為止已經進行7年了，不知道進度現在如何？部長。"],["林部長右昌：是，在2月份的時候，民眾跟公民團體提出來的陳情意見大概有112件，目前已經在修正相關書圖的草案，預計是大概3月中左右。"],["陳委員玉珍：3月中就現在。"],["林部長右昌：對，就是大概3月中左右會修正完畢……"],["陳院長建仁：中旬。"],["林部長右昌：中旬左右會修正完畢。"],["陳委員玉珍：會修正完畢？"],["林部長右昌：然後修正完畢之後會提報到內政部國家公園署，然後再轉國家公園委員會來進行審議。"],["陳委員玉珍：好，那總共大概還要多久的時間呢？"],["林部長右昌：就看審議的結果。"],["陳委員玉珍：也是你們在審啊！"],["林部長右昌：因為案子滿多的，它有112件。"],["陳委員玉珍：一百多件，請儘速，已經進行7年了，希望520之前可以完成嗎？難道還要拖到……"],["陳院長建仁：一百多件。"],["林部長右昌：因為有一百多件，這個要看……"],["陳委員玉珍：效率要好一點，這個對金門……"],["陳院長建仁：我們加強。"],["陳委員玉珍：效率要好一點，這對金門影響也很大。我剛剛提到馬祖跟澎湖都有辦馬拉松的時候、相關體育活動的時候，都有交通部風景管理區來協助嘛！我們內政部在金門沒有風景管理區，請問院長，我們金門有國家公園，我們金門馬拉松也辦得很不錯，事實上國際的能見度也很高，世界各國也都來參加比賽，是不是在這個部分，以後我們金門縣辦馬拉松，我們國家公園是不是也可以提供相關的協助？參與協辦、經費的支持，院長，這個應該沒有問題吧？"],["陳院長建仁：推動馬拉松是好事，而且讓大家能夠看到美麗的金門國家公園也是好事，這件事情的話我們看內政部這邊……"],["陳委員玉珍：不管在行政方面或是預算方面都請支持。"],["林部長右昌：是，我們樂觀其成，我們也會來協辦，不過也請委員就是比如說包括像體育署，還有包括像運動基金、觀光署……"],["陳委員玉珍：好，這個部分我也會協助，院長這邊也是幫忙交代體育署、觀光署還有交通部這邊也幫忙預算來支持。"],["陳院長建仁：我們跨部會來協調。"],["林部長右昌：我們可以來參與協辦。"],["陳委員玉珍：預算的部分，我們除了協辦以外，我們也需要你們的經費挹注，我們很多事情金門縣政府都是自己比較獨立打拼，大概中央都一直覺得金門縣政府的財政比較好，但是事實上我們擔負了很多的責任，比如說以最近來講的金廈海域事件，金廈海域發生的事件到目前為止協商十幾次以後，現在暫時是告一個段落，我敢說我對這件事情的瞭解算是全面性的，我不只是聽我們官員或者是媒體報導，我事實上當面跟所有的單位都做過，包括海巡執法的當事人，剛好做驗屍的法醫也是我的朋友，還有對岸的家屬，對岸從國臺辦到泉州市臺辦各個單位我都聊過了，所以我想我對這件事情比較有全面性的瞭解。我想請問院長，這事情到今天為止，因為當然第一階段到一個段落，暫時就停下來，但是已經變成一個國際的事件，而且看起來對兩岸的局勢，就變成是一種……局勢就加溫，院長您知道以前有一個金門協議嗎？1990年，您知道這件事嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：我知道有這樣的一個金門協議，但是我在這裡跟委員說明一下金廈海域的這個事件，實際上我們海巡署就是為了要確保漁民的權益，還有……"],["陳委員玉珍：這些我都瞭解，我現在只有兩個問題要問，第一個、金廈協議，我只有要問兩個問題，第一個就是說往下是要怎麼處理？用什麼模式處理？這個是解決問題的模式和方法嘛！第二個、以後我們第一線的海巡弟兄們到底要怎麼執勤？這兩個問題才是我們下去要面對的，至於過去已經產生很多紛紛擾擾就慢慢逐項來解決就好，法務部其實速度要加快，事實上影響很大，法務部的速度很重要。"],["陳院長建仁：我想金門快艇案就像這裡講的，一定要等到我們偵辦出爐以後……"],["陳委員玉珍：但是法務部的速度……"],["陳院長建仁：司法偵辦出爐以後……"],["陳委員玉珍：院長，你覺得法務部大概多久可以把這個事情調查出一個初步的段落？"],["陳院長建仁：因為今天法務部……"],["陳委員玉珍：您啦、您啦！您是院長，法務部……"],["陳院長建仁：我當然是愈快愈好。"],["陳委員玉珍：愈快愈好比如說多久？1個月、2個月、3個月？"],["管主任委員碧玲：司法……"],["陳委員玉珍：我問院長。"],["陳院長建仁：我們尊重司法偵辦的時間。"],["陳委員玉珍：當然尊重司法，但是涉及這麼大的國安事件，總要一個時間嘛！押一個時間就好了，你覺得比較合理的要多久？"],["陳院長建仁：我想我沒辦法替……"],["陳委員玉珍：520之前總可以吧？現在都已經3月了。"],["陳院長建仁：我們儘快，我們儘快來辦理。"],["陳委員玉珍：所以你也不敢承諾嘛？"],["陳院長建仁：我們儘快來辦理。"],["陳委員玉珍：這是一種決心的表現。"],["陳院長建仁：不是，我們要尊重司法，委員也尊重司法嘛。"],["陳委員玉珍：當然尊重司法，但是你要給它時間……"],["陳院長建仁：對。"],["陳委員玉珍：這種案子也不是很複雜。"],["陳院長建仁：不是，現在的情況是還需要一些海事鑑定等等的判斷。"],["陳委員玉珍：對，這些東西都應該要加快嘛？"],["陳院長建仁：是。"],["陳委員玉珍：也不能一件事情遙遙無期，影響到整體的情勢發展。"],["陳院長建仁：當然不會遙遙無期，我們會儘快來辦理。"],["陳委員玉珍：我先問第一個問題，院長您知道金門協議嗎？"],["邱主任委員太三：委員，我想……"],["陳委員玉珍：陸委會知道，院長知不知道？"],["陳院長建仁：我知道，但是我不曉得……"],["陳委員玉珍：你不知道，陸委會知道吧？"],["陳院長建仁：1990年……"],["陳委員玉珍：陸委會知道，院長不瞭解，如果要處理兩岸事務卻不知道以前跟過去的事情，就很難處理現在跟未來的事情，當初的金門協議，我請問陸委會好了，是不是用這個模式、用兩岸紅十字會的模式、民間的模式來往下處理這件事情？這對整個事件……"],["邱主任委員太三：委員的提案當然是一個可以選擇的項目，委員也知道1990年金門協議之後，其實兩岸簽訂很多的協議，各部會都有很多的合作，包括共打或……"],["陳委員玉珍：我現在是指這件事情。"],["邱主任委員太三：共打犯罪或是其他各部門的協議，海巡署跟他們也有一些協議。"],["陳委員玉珍：謝謝主委，不用在這邊幫院長上課，我是想請問你，接下去解決這個事情是不是用這個方式比較妥當？以民間紅十字會對紅十字會模式是不是一個比較好的模式？海委會要回答嗎？"],["管主任委員碧玲：報告委員，我們瞭解過去海基會與金門地區的紅十字會也好，或者是縣政府也好，或者是在地的人士也好，有很多合作的機會、解決了很多的問題。這一次的案件主要是因為相當程度升高為政治性的困難……"],["陳委員玉珍：你們基本上……"],["管主任委員碧玲：但是未來我們很希望能回到人道。"],["陳委員玉珍：這個問題很簡單，我給你們建議，我覺得基本上所有事情儘量不要上升到臺北這邊去處理，很多事情會變得很難處理，尤其政治化的話，很多事情好難處理。"],["管主任委員碧玲：跟委員報告……"],["陳委員玉珍：我給你們建議，你們參考。第二個我要問比較重要的，因為時間快到了，這個部分海巡弟兄如何執行？我們來看最近大家看到的劉五店海域事件，在這個航道上，大陸的清淤船現在已經進入我國的禁限制水域，有一個橘色框框，有沒有？紫色部分是禁限制水域，橘色是大陸的清淤船在劉五店的水道上面，它已經從我們的烈嶼跟大二膽中間經過，你們知道這件事嗎？"],["管主任委員碧玲：是。"],["陳委員玉珍：以後海巡人員遇到這樣的情形，第一線要怎麼執法？"],["管主任委員碧玲：跟委員報告，清淤的範圍是在廈門的海域，不是在我們的禁限制海域。"],["陳委員玉珍：它的船隻已經進入我們的禁限制水域作業了。"],["管主任委員碧玲：清淤之後，它航行未滯留經過禁限制水域，我們都有派船併航。"],["陳委員玉珍：我們有派船，大陸的船可不可以進入我們的禁限制水域做清淤？"],["陳院長建仁：不可以。"],["陳委員玉珍：不可以？誰告訴你不可以？誰告訴你不可以？"],["管主任委員碧玲：這是根據兩岸人民關係條例的……"],["陳委員玉珍：你們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00:00:33,608\n謝謝院長,歡迎再到金門跟我們指導。這個院長您說過您扶國立民的政策不會因為是看守內閣就不續推嘛。是。所以呢我們下面幾件事情我們也請院長繼續來很快的來協助我們金門地區。我來聆聽。\n\n3\n00:00:34,918 --> 00:00:35,058\n﹚陳玉珍﹚\n\n4\n00:00:53,485 --> 00:01:09,885\n請問警政署這邊,我們警政署在金門有一個警官會館,它的使用率非常低,那時候我們有去辦過會刊,那後來就是說要把這個金門的警官會館轉型成這個大同之家的二館,讓我們的老年人可以及早的進駐。\n\n5\n00:01:11,714 --> 00:01:36,059\n這個後來我在內政會也質詢過我們林部長。那這個我知道這個進度,部長那時候說這要等金門憲政委員簽公文上來的時候才會往下辦理。那我知道就有那個金門憲政委員已經把相關的計畫送上來了。然後警政署署長那邊也已經同意了。現在公文是到這個林部長的手上齁。那這個部長這邊是,這個案子是到你手上覺醒就可以了嗎?還是說還要到我們院長這裡?\n\n6\n00:01:38,425 --> 00:02:04,393\n部長您先回答一下。這個案子還沒有到我桌上,不過我詢問最新的一個資訊是已經送到部裡面了,我們會盡快簽辦。那到您這邊就可以了嗎?這部長決心就行了?到部就可以了。到部長就可以了,然後部長您這一點會同意嗎?就是把我們警官會館,警政署已經同意了,是變成我們大鴻之家的惡館。我們還是留一些空間給警政署使用還是有了?\n\n7\n00:02:05,319 --> 00:02:31,716\n我想這一部分如果這個警政署跟金門縣政府已經協調好我想原則上我們會來支持不過就是跟委員報告後續的預算的部分大家再來討論這個後面怎麼來整建各方面好謝謝那我們把景觀會館就轉型成大同之家二館讓這個金門的老年人可以及早的入住大同之家這是好事對好謝謝院長謝謝院長支持預算也要支持好\n\n8\n00:02:32,677 --> 00:02:53,112\n接著這個國家公園的部分106年金門國家公園的範圍佔了金門全島的大概四分之一那這個民眾對這個因為國家公園是當然幫我們做的很好保存建設很好但是也有很多的限制造成居民的不便我們金門一直希望比照這個澎湖跟馬祖做成這個風景管理區\n\n9\n00:02:53,772 --> 00:02:55,593\n目前為止已經進行7年了,不知道這個進度現在如何?\n\n10\n00:02:55,593 --> 00:02:55,613\n這個部長\n\n11\n00:03:10,660 --> 00:03:28,625\n是,這個在2月份的時候大概民眾跟公民團體提出來的陳情意見大概有112件目前這個已經在修正相關的一個書圖的一個草案那預計是大概3月中左右那中就現在?對\n\n12\n00:03:30,010 --> 00:03:33,932\n大概3月中左右會修正完畢,然後會修正完畢之後會提報到內政部國家公園署然後再轉國家公園委員會來進行審議。那這個總共大概還要多久的時間呢?\n\n13\n00:03:47,512 --> 00:03:52,375\n就看這個審議的結果。因為案子蠻多的,他有112件。這個請禁訴,已經進行7年了。希望520之前可以完成嗎?因為有100多件。效率好一點。我們加強啦。\n\n14\n00:04:04,562 --> 00:04:04,582\n﹚記者\n\n15\n00:04:24,091 --> 00:04:24,792\n不管在行政方面或是預算方面都請支持。\n\n16\n00:04:50,174 --> 00:05:19,224\n我們樂觀其成我們也會來協辦不過也請委員就是比如說包括像體育部體育署還有包括像這個運動基金觀光署院長這邊也是幫忙交代體育署還有交通部這邊也幫忙預算來協調我們可以來參與協辦預算的部分我們除了協辦以外我們也需要你們的經費移除我們很多事情金門縣政府都是自己比較獨立打拚大家中央都一直覺得金門縣政府的這個\n\n17\n00:05:19,964 --> 00:05:19,984\n拜訪議員\n\n18\n00:05:35,963 --> 00:05:51,812\n我敢說我對這件事情的瞭解算是全面性的,我不只是只有聽我們官員或者是媒體報導,我事實上當面跟所有的單位都做過,包括海巡執法的當事人,包括\n\n19\n00:05:52,312 --> 00:05:52,412\n﹚陳玉珍\n\n20\n00:06:22,332 --> 00:06:23,114\n您知道以前有一個金門協議嗎?\n\n21\n00:06:23,114 --> 00:06:24,317\n1990年你知道這件事嗎?\n\n22\n00:06:33,254 --> 00:06:46,605\n我知道有這樣的一個基本協議,但是我在這裡跟委員說明一下這一個金夏海域的這個事件,實際上我們海巡署就是為了要確保這一個漁民的潛意識。我現在只有兩個問題要問,第一個金夏協議我就要問兩個問題,第一個就是說往下是要怎麼處理?\n\n23\n00:06:52,910 --> 00:07:16,456\n用什麼模式處理?這個是解決問題的模式和方法。第二個是說以後我們第一線的海巡弟兄們到底要怎麼執勤?這兩個問題才是我們下去要面對的。自己過去已經產生很多紛紛擾擾就慢慢逐項來解決。法務部其實速度要加快事實上影響很大。法務部的速度很重要。我想金門快艇案就像這裡講的就是一定要等到我們這一個\n\n24\n00:07:18,676 --> 00:07:46,047\n但是法務部的速度,法務部院長,你有沒有覺得法務部大概多久可以把這個事情調查出一個大概一個初步的段落?因為今天法務部﹖您啊,您啊,你是院長,法務部沒有當你啊。我是當然是越快越好。越快越好,比如說多久?一個月、兩個月、三個月?這個司法,我們尊重司法偵辦的時間。當然尊重司法,但是有這個涉及這麼大的國安事件的總要一個時間嘛,壓一個時間就好了。你要多久你覺得比較合理的?\n\n25\n00:07:46,807 --> 00:08:04,830\n我想我沒有辦法替...520之前總是可以吧,現在都已經3月了。我們盡快,我們盡快來辦。所以你也不敢承諾嗎?這是一種決心的表現。這個我們要尊重司法,委員會是尊重司法嘛。但是你要給他時間來個案子辦得要,這種案子也不是很複雜。\n\n26\n00:08:05,811 --> 00:08:16,002\n那現在的情況就是說還需要一些海事鑑定啊等等的判判嗎?那這些東西都應該要加快嘛那也不能一件事情遙遙無期嘛影響到整體的儀式發展嘛那我先問第一個問題那個院長您知道這個進門協議嗎?\n\n27\n00:08:22,222 --> 00:08:50,740\n陸委會知道,院長知不知道?我知道,但是我不曉得。你不知道,陸委會知道吧?好知道,來我想請問,陸委會知道,院長不了解,這個有點,如果要處理兩岸事務,不知道以前跟過去的事情,就很難處理現在跟未來的事情。今天協議,其實當初,那我想說,我請問陸委會好了,是不是用這個模式,下去是用這個模式,用兩岸這個紅十字會這個模式,民間的這個模式來往下處理這件事情,這樣是因為整個事件。\n\n28\n00:08:52,360 --> 00:09:20,632\n委員的提案當然是一個可以選擇的項目了那委員大家也知道1990年金門協議之後呢其實兩岸簽訂了很多的協議各部會都有很多的合作我現在是在指這一件事情包括共打犯罪啦或者是其他各部門的協議海巡署跟他們也有一些協議主委謝謝不用在這邊幫院長上課我是想請問你下去解決這個事情是不是用這個方式民間的方式來紅十字會對紅十字會的模式是不是一個比較好的模式海委會要回答嗎\n\n29\n00:09:22,133 --> 00:09:40,985\n報告委員我們了解過去海基會與金門地區的紅十字會也好或者是縣政府也好或者是在地的人士也好有很多合作的機會然後解決了很多的問題那這一次的案件主要是因為相當程度有升高為政治性的\n\n30\n00:09:44,728 --> 00:10:05,640\n我跟你們建議這樣子,我覺得基本上所有事情盡量你不要上升到這個臺北這邊去處理的話,很多事情就變得很難處理。政治化的話,很多事情好難處理。只是我跟你們建議,你們參考。第二個,我要問的比較重要,因為時間快到。這個下去海巡弟兄如何執行?那我們看到最近比較,大家比較看到的是最近這個劉武電的這個事件。\n\n31\n00:10:07,941 --> 00:10:10,763\n您知道這件事嗎?以後海巡人員遇到這樣的事情,第一線要怎麼執法?\n\n32\n00:10:32,056 --> 00:10:33,578\n大陸船可不可以進入我們的近線制水域?做清淤?\n\n33\n00:10:33,578 --> 00:10:35,059\n不可以啊。不可以?誰告訴你不可以?\n\n34\n00:10:55,308 --> 00:11:00,689\n這是根據兩岸人民關係條例的計劃。根據交通部104年12月14日交行制,有一個公告。104年12月17日要開始實施。運送客貨輪迫經過金銜之水進入大陸地區下門港是被允許的。\n\n35\n00:11:23,906 --> 00:11:24,986\n錄委會,你們現在遇到什麼問題都是一樣?\n\n36\n00:11:37,671 --> 00:12:00,613\n你們都沒有做跨部會的協商,你看海委會他不知道,他認為這個不被允許,院長也不知道,然後很多事情在陸委會沒有充分的告知其他的相關部會的很多法律規定以後,在第一線執行的海軍人員非常的辛苦。他們不知道有一些規定是可以的,有一些可能是不行的。那你陸委會很了解這個,你知道這個東西嗎?我知道。你知道了齁,所以你知道了。\n\n37\n00:12:01,974 --> 00:12:02,655\n我現在問的是因為第一線海巡人員要執法非常辛苦。\n\n38\n00:12:26,678 --> 00:12:45,698\n他們到底要怎麼執法,什麼是可以的什麼是不可以的,應該是驅離啊、帶回來還是趕走還是怎麼樣,這個很難執法,因為對法令有一些舊的東西很多齁,過去的東西不熟悉嘛,不熟悉就是,院長我從這次的這個事件中我發現你們跨部位的協商市場非常弱的。\n\n39\n00:12:46,218 --> 00:13:03,303\n您們這個一定要加強尤其面對這麼重要的尤其有關兩岸關係的事情的時候有很多過去我們跟大陸累積很多的善意然後事實上有很多相關的法令規定喔事實上是可以解決很多問題的包括例子包括怎麼樣去溝通這些都是可以解決問題的有時候不一定要走到那麼劍拔弩張那個地步這麼驚嚇所謂的小事\n\n40\n00:13:11,906 --> 00:13:12,066\n﹚陳玉珍\n\n41\n00:13:29,747 --> 00:13:32,108\n委員其實委員大家也知道這個其實原來已經談得到一定的程度有的有共識有的\n\n42\n00:13:50,812 --> 00:14:17,003\n對啦,但是我,我也希望,我也希望有的人不要,院長你也不要得到,院長你也要得到正確的資訊,據我所知勒,大陸並沒有在那個談判過程中齁,協商過程中的那個,溝通過程中那個什麼會談計時要求說要把我們這家海巡送到大陸去送審,絕對沒有這件事情,你也去問一下海巡這中間的過程,這細部內部,\n\n43\n00:14:19,425 --> 00:14:34,301\n談判是要保持機密的,那既然委員也會知道,我覺得這個機密好像就沒有被遵守。我知道的不是這樣子,我知道對方並沒有告訴我全部,但是我也不是只有從大陸了解事情,我也從台灣了解事情。\n\n44\n00:14:38,766 --> 00:14:39,307\n主委,這個陸客開放到金門啊?\n\n45\n00:15:08,650 --> 00:15:13,195\n謝謝陳委員玉珍的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第四位,謝委員龍介質詢。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4261\t6024\t陳委員早,恭喜陳委員當選連任。\n17820\t33608\t謝謝院長,歡迎再到金門跟我們指導。這個院長您說過您扶國立民的政策不會因為是看守內閣就不續推嘛。是。所以呢我們下面幾件事情我們也請院長繼續來很快的來協助我們金門地區。我來聆聽。\n34918\t35058\t﹚陳玉珍﹚\n53485\t69885\t請問警政署這邊,我們警政署在金門有一個警官會館,它的使用率非常低,那時候我們有去辦過會刊,那後來就是說要把這個金門的警官會館轉型成這個大同之家的二館,讓我們的老年人可以及早的進駐。\n71714\t96059\t這個後來我在內政會也質詢過我們林部長。那這個我知道這個進度,部長那時候說這要等金門憲政委員簽公文上來的時候才會往下辦理。那我知道就有那個金門憲政委員已經把相關的計畫送上來了。然後警政署署長那邊也已經同意了。現在公文是到這個林部長的手上齁。那這個部長這邊是,這個案子是到你手上覺醒就可以了嗎?還是說還要到我們院長這裡?\n98425\t124393\t部長您先回答一下。這個案子還沒有到我桌上,不過我詢問最新的一個資訊是已經送到部裡面了,我們會盡快簽辦。那到您這邊就可以了嗎?這部長決心就行了?到部就可以了。到部長就可以了,然後部長您這一點會同意嗎?就是把我們警官會館,警政署已經同意了,是變成我們大鴻之家的惡館。我們還是留一些空間給警政署使用還是有了?\n125319\t151716\t我想這一部分如果這個警政署跟金門縣政府已經協調好我想原則上我們會來支持不過就是跟委員報告後續的預算的部分大家再來討論這個後面怎麼來整建各方面好謝謝那我們把景觀會館就轉型成大同之家二館讓這個金門的老年人可以及早的入住大同之家這是好事對好謝謝院長謝謝院長支持預算也要支持好\n152677\t173112\t接著這個國家公園的部分106年金門國家公園的範圍佔了金門全島的大概四分之一那這個民眾對這個因為國家公園是當然幫我們做的很好保存建設很好但是也有很多的限制造成居民的不便我們金門一直希望比照這個澎湖跟馬祖做成這個風景管理區\n173772\t175593\t目前為止已經進行7年了,不知道這個進度現在如何?\n175593\t175613\t這個部長\n190660\t208625\t是,這個在2月份的時候大概民眾跟公民團體提出來的陳情意見大概有112件目前這個已經在修正相關的一個書圖的一個草案那預計是大概3月中左右那中就現在?對\n210010\t213932\t大概3月中左右會修正完畢,然後會修正完畢之後會提報到內政部國家公園署然後再轉國家公園委員會來進行審議。 那這個總共大概還要多久的時間呢?\n227512\t232375\t就看這個審議的結果。因為案子蠻多的,他有112件。這個請禁訴,已經進行7年了。希望520之前可以完成嗎?因為有100多件。效率好一點。我們加強啦。\n244562\t244582\t﹚記者\n264091\t264792\t不管在行政方面或是預算方面都請支持。\n290174\t319224\t我們樂觀其成我們也會來協辦不過也請委員就是比如說包括像體育部體育署還有包括像這個運動基金觀光署院長這邊也是幫忙交代體育署還有交通部這邊也幫忙預算來協調我們可以來參與協辦預算的部分我們除了協辦以外我們也需要你們的經費移除我們很多事情金門縣政府都是自己比較獨立打拚大家中央都一直覺得金門縣政府的這個\n319964\t319984\t拜訪議員\n335963\t351812\t我敢說我對這件事情的瞭解算是全面性的,我不只是只有聽我們官員或者是媒體報導,我事實上當面跟所有的單位都做過,包括海巡執法的當事人,包括\n352312\t352412\t﹚陳玉珍\n382332\t383114\t您知道以前有一個金門協議嗎?\n383114\t384317\t1990年你知道這件事嗎?\n393254\t406605\t我知道有這樣的一個基本協議,但是我在這裡跟委員說明一下這一個金夏海域的這個事件,實際上我們海巡署就是為了要確保這一個漁民的潛意識。我現在只有兩個問題要問,第一個金夏協議我就要問兩個問題,第一個就是說往下是要怎麼處理?\n412910\t436456\t用什麼模式處理?這個是解決問題的模式和方法。第二個是說以後我們第一線的海巡弟兄們到底要怎麼執勤?這兩個問題才是我們下去要面對的。自己過去已經產生很多紛紛擾擾就慢慢逐項來解決。法務部其實速度要加快事實上影響很大。法務部的速度很重要。我想金門快艇案就像這裡講的就是一定要等到我們這一個\n438676\t466047\t但是法務部的速度,法務部院長,你有沒有覺得法務部大概多久可以把這個事情調查出一個大概一個初步的段落?因為今天法務部﹖您啊,您啊,你是院長,法務部沒有當你啊。我是當然是越快越好。越快越好,比如說多久?一個月、兩個月、三個月?這個司法,我們尊重司法偵辦的時間。當然尊重司法,但是有這個涉及這麼大的國安事件的總要一個時間嘛,壓一個時間就好了。你要多久你覺得比較合理的?\n466807\t484830\t我想我沒有辦法替...520之前總是可以吧,現在都已經3月了。我們盡快,我們盡快來辦。所以你也不敢承諾嗎?這是一種決心的表現。這個我們要尊重司法,委員會是尊重司法嘛。但是你要給他時間來個案子辦得要,這種案子也不是很複雜。\n485811\t496002\t那現在的情況就是說還需要一些海事鑑定啊等等的判判嗎?那這些東西都應該要加快嘛那也不能一件事情遙遙無期嘛影響到整體的儀式發展嘛那我先問第一個問題那個院長您知道這個進門協議嗎?\n502222\t530740\t陸委會知道,院長知不知道?我知道,但是我不曉得。你不知道,陸委會知道吧?好知道,來我想請問,陸委會知道,院長不了解,這個有點,如果要處理兩岸事務,不知道以前跟過去的事情,就很難處理現在跟未來的事情。今天協議,其實當初,那我想說,我請問陸委會好了,是不是用這個模式,下去是用這個模式,用兩岸這個紅十字會這個模式,民間的這個模式來往下處理這件事情,這樣是因為整個事件。\n532360\t560632\t委員的提案當然是一個可以選擇的項目了那委員大家也知道1990年金門協議之後呢其實兩岸簽訂了很多的協議各部會都有很多的合作我現在是在指這一件事情 包括共打犯罪啦或者是其他各部門的協議海巡署跟他們也有一些協議主委謝謝不用在這邊幫院長上課我是想請問你下去解決這個事情是不是用這個方式民間的方式來紅十字會對紅十字會的模式是不是一個比較好的模式海委會要回答嗎\n562133\t580985\t報告委員我們了解過去海基會與金門地區的紅十字會也好或者是縣政府也好或者是在地的人士也好有很多合作的機會然後解決了很多的問題那這一次的案件主要是因為相當程度有升高為政治性的\n584728\t605640\t我跟你們建議這樣子,我覺得基本上所有事情盡量你不要上升到這個臺北這邊去處理的話,很多事情就變得很難處理。政治化的話,很多事情好難處理。只是我跟你們建議,你們參考。第二個,我要問的比較重要,因為時間快到。這個下去海巡弟兄如何執行?那我們看到最近比較,大家比較看到的是最近這個劉武電的這個事件。\n607941\t610763\t您知道這件事嗎?以後海巡人員遇到這樣的事情,第一線要怎麼執法?\n632056\t633578\t大陸船可不可以進入我們的近線制水域?做清淤?\n633578\t635059\t不可以啊。 不可以?誰告訴你不可以?\n655308\t660689\t這是根據兩岸人民關係條例的計劃。根據交通部104年12月14日交行制,有一個公告。104年12月17日要開始實施。運送客貨輪迫經過金銜之水進入大陸地區下門港是被允許的。\n683906\t684986\t錄委會,你們現在遇到什麼問題都是一樣?\n697671\t720613\t你們都沒有做跨部會的協商,你看海委會他不知道,他認為這個不被允許,院長也不知道,然後很多事情在陸委會沒有充分的告知其他的相關部會的很多法律規定以後,在第一線執行的海軍人員非常的辛苦。他們不知道有一些規定是可以的,有一些可能是不行的。那你陸委會很了解這個,你知道這個東西嗎?我知道。你知道了齁,所以你知道了。\n721974\t722655\t我現在問的是因為第一線海巡人員要執法非常辛苦。\n746678\t765698\t他們到底要怎麼執法,什麼是可以的什麼是不可以的,應該是驅離啊、帶回來還是趕走還是怎麼樣,這個很難執法,因為對法令有一些舊的東西很多齁,過去的東西不熟悉嘛,不熟悉就是,院長我從這次的這個事件中我發現你們跨部位的協商市場非常弱的。\n766218\t783303\t您們這個一定要加強尤其面對這麼重要的尤其有關兩岸關係的事情的時候有很多過去我們跟大陸累積很多的善意然後事實上有很多相關的法令規定喔事實上是可以解決很多問題的包括例子包括怎麼樣去溝通這些都是可以解決問題的有時候不一定要走到那麼劍拔弩張那個地步這麼驚嚇所謂的小事\n791906\t792066\t﹚陳玉珍\n809747\t812108\t委員其實委員大家也知道這個其實原來已經談得到一定的程度有的有共識有的\n830812\t857003\t對啦,但是我,我也希望,我也希望有的人不要,院長你也不要得到,院長你也要得到正確的資訊,據我所知勒,大陸並沒有在那個談判過程中齁,協商過程中的那個,溝通過程中那個什麼會談計時要求說要把我們這家海巡送到大陸去送審,絕對沒有這件事情,你也去問一下海巡這中間的過程,這細部內部,\n859425\t874301\t談判是要保持機密的,那既然委員也會知道,我覺得這個機密好像就沒有被遵守。我知道的不是這樣子,我知道對方並沒有告訴我全部,但是我也不是只有從大陸了解事情,我也從台灣了解事情。\n878766\t879307\t主委,這個陸客開放到金門啊?\n908650\t913195\t謝謝陳委員玉珍的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第四位,謝委員龍介質詢。\n","txt":"陳委員早,恭喜陳委員當選連任。\n謝謝院長,歡迎再到金門跟我們指導。這個院長您說過您扶國立民的政策不會因為是看守內閣就不續推嘛。是。所以呢我們下面幾件事情我們也請院長繼續來很快的來協助我們金門地區。我來聆聽。\n﹚陳玉珍﹚\n請問警政署這邊,我們警政署在金門有一個警官會館,它的使用率非常低,那時候我們有去辦過會刊,那後來就是說要把這個金門的警官會館轉型成這個大同之家的二館,讓我們的老年人可以及早的進駐。\n這個後來我在內政會也質詢過我們林部長。那這個我知道這個進度,部長那時候說這要等金門憲政委員簽公文上來的時候才會往下辦理。那我知道就有那個金門憲政委員已經把相關的計畫送上來了。然後警政署署長那邊也已經同意了。現在公文是到這個林部長的手上齁。那這個部長這邊是,這個案子是到你手上覺醒就可以了嗎?還是說還要到我們院長這裡?\n部長您先回答一下。這個案子還沒有到我桌上,不過我詢問最新的一個資訊是已經送到部裡面了,我們會盡快簽辦。那到您這邊就可以了嗎?這部長決心就行了?到部就可以了。到部長就可以了,然後部長您這一點會同意嗎?就是把我們警官會館,警政署已經同意了,是變成我們大鴻之家的惡館。我們還是留一些空間給警政署使用還是有了?\n我想這一部分如果這個警政署跟金門縣政府已經協調好我想原則上我們會來支持不過就是跟委員報告後續的預算的部分大家再來討論這個後面怎麼來整建各方面好謝謝那我們把景觀會館就轉型成大同之家二館讓這個金門的老年人可以及早的入住大同之家這是好事對好謝謝院長謝謝院長支持預算也要支持好\n接著這個國家公園的部分106年金門國家公園的範圍佔了金門全島的大概四分之一那這個民眾對這個因為國家公園是當然幫我們做的很好保存建設很好但是也有很多的限制造成居民的不便我們金門一直希望比照這個澎湖跟馬祖做成這個風景管理區\n目前為止已經進行7年了,不知道這個進度現在如何?\n這個部長\n是,這個在2月份的時候大概民眾跟公民團體提出來的陳情意見大概有112件目前這個已經在修正相關的一個書圖的一個草案那預計是大概3月中左右那中就現在?對\n大概3月中左右會修正完畢,然後會修正完畢之後會提報到內政部國家公園署然後再轉國家公園委員會來進行審議。 那這個總共大概還要多久的時間呢?\n就看這個審議的結果。因為案子蠻多的,他有112件。這個請禁訴,已經進行7年了。希望520之前可以完成嗎?因為有100多件。效率好一點。我們加強啦。\n﹚記者\n不管在行政方面或是預算方面都請支持。\n我們樂觀其成我們也會來協辦不過也請委員就是比如說包括像體育部體育署還有包括像這個運動基金觀光署院長這邊也是幫忙交代體育署還有交通部這邊也幫忙預算來協調我們可以來參與協辦預算的部分我們除了協辦以外我們也需要你們的經費移除我們很多事情金門縣政府都是自己比較獨立打拚大家中央都一直覺得金門縣政府的這個\n拜訪議員\n我敢說我對這件事情的瞭解算是全面性的,我不只是只有聽我們官員或者是媒體報導,我事實上當面跟所有的單位都做過,包括海巡執法的當事人,包括\n﹚陳玉珍\n您知道以前有一個金門協議嗎?\n1990年你知道這件事嗎?\n我知道有這樣的一個基本協議,但是我在這裡跟委員說明一下這一個金夏海域的這個事件,實際上我們海巡署就是為了要確保這一個漁民的潛意識。我現在只有兩個問題要問,第一個金夏協議我就要問兩個問題,第一個就是說往下是要怎麼處理?\n用什麼模式處理?這個是解決問題的模式和方法。第二個是說以後我們第一線的海巡弟兄們到底要怎麼執勤?這兩個問題才是我們下去要面對的。自己過去已經產生很多紛紛擾擾就慢慢逐項來解決。法務部其實速度要加快事實上影響很大。法務部的速度很重要。我想金門快艇案就像這裡講的就是一定要等到我們這一個\n但是法務部的速度,法務部院長,你有沒有覺得法務部大概多久可以把這個事情調查出一個大概一個初步的段落?因為今天法務部﹖您啊,您啊,你是院長,法務部沒有當你啊。我是當然是越快越好。越快越好,比如說多久?一個月、兩個月、三個月?這個司法,我們尊重司法偵辦的時間。當然尊重司法,但是有這個涉及這麼大的國安事件的總要一個時間嘛,壓一個時間就好了。你要多久你覺得比較合理的?\n我想我沒有辦法替...520之前總是可以吧,現在都已經3月了。我們盡快,我們盡快來辦。所以你也不敢承諾嗎?這是一種決心的表現。這個我們要尊重司法,委員會是尊重司法嘛。但是你要給他時間來個案子辦得要,這種案子也不是很複雜。\n那現在的情況就是說還需要一些海事鑑定啊等等的判判嗎?那這些東西都應該要加快嘛那也不能一件事情遙遙無期嘛影響到整體的儀式發展嘛那我先問第一個問題那個院長您知道這個進門協議嗎?\n陸委會知道,院長知不知道?我知道,但是我不曉得。你不知道,陸委會知道吧?好知道,來我想請問,陸委會知道,院長不了解,這個有點,如果要處理兩岸事務,不知道以前跟過去的事情,就很難處理現在跟未來的事情。今天協議,其實當初,那我想說,我請問陸委會好了,是不是用這個模式,下去是用這個模式,用兩岸這個紅十字會這個模式,民間的這個模式來往下處理這件事情,這樣是因為整個事件。\n委員的提案當然是一個可以選擇的項目了那委員大家也知道1990年金門協議之後呢其實兩岸簽訂了很多的協議各部會都有很多的合作我現在是在指這一件事情 包括共打犯罪啦或者是其他各部門的協議海巡署跟他們也有一些協議主委謝謝不用在這邊幫院長上課我是想請問你下去解決這個事情是不是用這個方式民間的方式來紅十字會對紅十字會的模式是不是一個比較好的模式海委會要回答嗎\n報告委員我們了解過去海基會與金門地區的紅十字會也好或者是縣政府也好或者是在地的人士也好有很多合作的機會然後解決了很多的問題那這一次的案件主要是因為相當程度有升高為政治性的\n我跟你們建議這樣子,我覺得基本上所有事情盡量你不要上升到這個臺北這邊去處理的話,很多事情就變得很難處理。政治化的話,很多事情好難處理。只是我跟你們建議,你們參考。第二個,我要問的比較重要,因為時間快到。這個下去海巡弟兄如何執行?那我們看到最近比較,大家比較看到的是最近這個劉武電的這個事件。\n您知道這件事嗎?以後海巡人員遇到這樣的事情,第一線要怎麼執法?\n大陸船可不可以進入我們的近線制水域?做清淤?\n不可以啊。 不可以?誰告訴你不可以?\n這是根據兩岸人民關係條例的計劃。根據交通部104年12月14日交行制,有一個公告。104年12月17日要開始實施。運送客貨輪迫經過金銜之水進入大陸地區下門港是被允許的。\n錄委會,你們現在遇到什麼問題都是一樣?\n你們都沒有做跨部會的協商,你看海委會他不知道,他認為這個不被允許,院長也不知道,然後很多事情在陸委會沒有充分的告知其他的相關部會的很多法律規定以後,在第一線執行的海軍人員非常的辛苦。他們不知道有一些規定是可以的,有一些可能是不行的。那你陸委會很了解這個,你知道這個東西嗎?我知道。你知道了齁,所以你知道了。\n我現在問的是因為第一線海巡人員要執法非常辛苦。\n他們到底要怎麼執法,什麼是可以的什麼是不可以的,應該是驅離啊、帶回來還是趕走還是怎麼樣,這個很難執法,因為對法令有一些舊的東西很多齁,過去的東西不熟悉嘛,不熟悉就是,院長我從這次的這個事件中我發現你們跨部位的協商市場非常弱的。\n您們這個一定要加強尤其面對這麼重要的尤其有關兩岸關係的事情的時候有很多過去我們跟大陸累積很多的善意然後事實上有很多相關的法令規定喔事實上是可以解決很多問題的包括例子包括怎麼樣去溝通這些都是可以解決問題的有時候不一定要走到那麼劍拔弩張那個地步這麼驚嚇所謂的小事\n﹚陳玉珍\n委員其實委員大家也知道這個其實原來已經談得到一定的程度有的有共識有的\n對啦,但是我,我也希望,我也希望有的人不要,院長你也不要得到,院長你也要得到正確的資訊,據我所知勒,大陸並沒有在那個談判過程中齁,協商過程中的那個,溝通過程中那個什麼會談計時要求說要把我們這家海巡送到大陸去送審,絕對沒有這件事情,你也去問一下海巡這中間的過程,這細部內部,\n談判是要保持機密的,那既然委員也會知道,我覺得這個機密好像就沒有被遵守。我知道的不是這樣子,我知道對方並沒有告訴我全部,但是我也不是只有從大陸了解事情,我也從台灣了解事情。\n主委,這個陸客開放到金門啊?\n謝謝陳委員玉珍的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第四位,謝委員龍介質詢。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.261 --> 00:06.024\n陳委員早,恭喜陳委員當選連任。\n\n00:17.820 --> 00:33.608\n謝謝院長,歡迎再到金門跟我們指導。這個院長您說過您扶國立民的政策不會因為是看守內閣就不續推嘛。是。所以呢我們下面幾件事情我們也請院長繼續來很快的來協助我們金門地區。我來聆聽。\n\n00:34.918 --> 00:35.058\n﹚陳玉珍﹚\n\n00:53.485 --> 01:09.885\n請問警政署這邊,我們警政署在金門有一個警官會館,它的使用率非常低,那時候我們有去辦過會刊,那後來就是說要把這個金門的警官會館轉型成這個大同之家的二館,讓我們的老年人可以及早的進駐。\n\n01:11.714 --> 01:36.059\n這個後來我在內政會也質詢過我們林部長。那這個我知道這個進度,部長那時候說這要等金門憲政委員簽公文上來的時候才會往下辦理。那我知道就有那個金門憲政委員已經把相關的計畫送上來了。然後警政署署長那邊也已經同意了。現在公文是到這個林部長的手上齁。那這個部長這邊是,這個案子是到你手上覺醒就可以了嗎?還是說還要到我們院長這裡?\n\n01:38.425 --> 02:04.393\n部長您先回答一下。這個案子還沒有到我桌上,不過我詢問最新的一個資訊是已經送到部裡面了,我們會盡快簽辦。那到您這邊就可以了嗎?這部長決心就行了?到部就可以了。到部長就可以了,然後部長您這一點會同意嗎?就是把我們警官會館,警政署已經同意了,是變成我們大鴻之家的惡館。我們還是留一些空間給警政署使用還是有了?\n\n02:05.319 --> 02:31.716\n我想這一部分如果這個警政署跟金門縣政府已經協調好我想原則上我們會來支持不過就是跟委員報告後續的預算的部分大家再來討論這個後面怎麼來整建各方面好謝謝那我們把景觀會館就轉型成大同之家二館讓這個金門的老年人可以及早的入住大同之家這是好事對好謝謝院長謝謝院長支持預算也要支持好\n\n02:32.677 --> 02:53.112\n接著這個國家公園的部分106年金門國家公園的範圍佔了金門全島的大概四分之一那這個民眾對這個因為國家公園是當然幫我們做的很好保存建設很好但是也有很多的限制造成居民的不便我們金門一直希望比照這個澎湖跟馬祖做成這個風景管理區\n\n02:53.772 --> 02:55.593\n目前為止已經進行7年了,不知道這個進度現在如何?\n\n02:55.593 --> 02:55.613\n這個部長\n\n03:10.660 --> 03:28.625\n是,這個在2月份的時候大概民眾跟公民團體提出來的陳情意見大概有112件目前這個已經在修正相關的一個書圖的一個草案那預計是大概3月中左右那中就現在?對\n\n03:30.010 --> 03:33.932\n大概3月中左右會修正完畢,然後會修正完畢之後會提報到內政部國家公園署然後再轉國家公園委員會來進行審議。那這個總共大概還要多久的時間呢?\n\n03:47.512 --> 03:52.375\n就看這個審議的結果。因為案子蠻多的,他有112件。這個請禁訴,已經進行7年了。希望520之前可以完成嗎?因為有100多件。效率好一點。我們加強啦。\n\n04:04.562 --> 04:04.582\n﹚記者\n\n04:24.091 --> 04:24.792\n不管在行政方面或是預算方面都請支持。\n\n04:50.174 --> 05:19.224\n我們樂觀其成我們也會來協辦不過也請委員就是比如說包括像體育部體育署還有包括像這個運動基金觀光署院長這邊也是幫忙交代體育署還有交通部這邊也幫忙預算來協調我們可以來參與協辦預算的部分我們除了協辦以外我們也需要你們的經費移除我們很多事情金門縣政府都是自己比較獨立打拚大家中央都一直覺得金門縣政府的這個\n\n05:19.964 --> 05:19.984\n拜訪議員\n\n05:35.963 --> 05:51.812\n我敢說我對這件事情的瞭解算是全面性的,我不只是只有聽我們官員或者是媒體報導,我事實上當面跟所有的單位都做過,包括海巡執法的當事人,包括\n\n05:52.312 --> 05:52.412\n﹚陳玉珍\n\n06:22.332 --> 06:23.114\n您知道以前有一個金門協議嗎?\n\n06:23.114 --> 06:24.317\n1990年你知道這件事嗎?\n\n06:33.254 --> 06:46.605\n我知道有這樣的一個基本協議,但是我在這裡跟委員說明一下這一個金夏海域的這個事件,實際上我們海巡署就是為了要確保這一個漁民的潛意識。我現在只有兩個問題要問,第一個金夏協議我就要問兩個問題,第一個就是說往下是要怎麼處理?\n\n06:52.910 --> 07:16.456\n用什麼模式處理?這個是解決問題的模式和方法。第二個是說以後我們第一線的海巡弟兄們到底要怎麼執勤?這兩個問題才是我們下去要面對的。自己過去已經產生很多紛紛擾擾就慢慢逐項來解決。法務部其實速度要加快事實上影響很大。法務部的速度很重要。我想金門快艇案就像這裡講的就是一定要等到我們這一個\n\n07:18.676 --> 07:46.047\n但是法務部的速度,法務部院長,你有沒有覺得法務部大概多久可以把這個事情調查出一個大概一個初步的段落?因為今天法務部﹖您啊,您啊,你是院長,法務部沒有當你啊。我是當然是越快越好。越快越好,比如說多久?一個月、兩個月、三個月?這個司法,我們尊重司法偵辦的時間。當然尊重司法,但是有這個涉及這麼大的國安事件的總要一個時間嘛,壓一個時間就好了。你要多久你覺得比較合理的?\n\n07:46.807 --> 08:04.830\n我想我沒有辦法替...520之前總是可以吧,現在都已經3月了。我們盡快,我們盡快來辦。所以你也不敢承諾嗎?這是一種決心的表現。這個我們要尊重司法,委員會是尊重司法嘛。但是你要給他時間來個案子辦得要,這種案子也不是很複雜。\n\n08:05.811 --> 08:16.002\n那現在的情況就是說還需要一些海事鑑定啊等等的判判嗎?那這些東西都應該要加快嘛那也不能一件事情遙遙無期嘛影響到整體的儀式發展嘛那我先問第一個問題那個院長您知道這個進門協議嗎?\n\n08:22.222 --> 08:50.740\n陸委會知道,院長知不知道?我知道,但是我不曉得。你不知道,陸委會知道吧?好知道,來我想請問,陸委會知道,院長不了解,這個有點,如果要處理兩岸事務,不知道以前跟過去的事情,就很難處理現在跟未來的事情。今天協議,其實當初,那我想說,我請問陸委會好了,是不是用這個模式,下去是用這個模式,用兩岸這個紅十字會這個模式,民間的這個模式來往下處理這件事情,這樣是因為整個事件。\n\n08:52.360 --> 09:20.632\n委員的提案當然是一個可以選擇的項目了那委員大家也知道1990年金門協議之後呢其實兩岸簽訂了很多的協議各部會都有很多的合作我現在是在指這一件事情包括共打犯罪啦或者是其他各部門的協議海巡署跟他們也有一些協議主委謝謝不用在這邊幫院長上課我是想請問你下去解決這個事情是不是用這個方式民間的方式來紅十字會對紅十字會的模式是不是一個比較好的模式海委會要回答嗎\n\n09:22.133 --> 09:40.985\n報告委員我們了解過去海基會與金門地區的紅十字會也好或者是縣政府也好或者是在地的人士也好有很多合作的機會然後解決了很多的問題那這一次的案件主要是因為相當程度有升高為政治性的\n\n09:44.728 --> 10:05.640\n我跟你們建議這樣子,我覺得基本上所有事情盡量你不要上升到這個臺北這邊去處理的話,很多事情就變得很難處理。政治化的話,很多事情好難處理。只是我跟你們建議,你們參考。第二個,我要問的比較重要,因為時間快到。這個下去海巡弟兄如何執行?那我們看到最近比較,大家比較看到的是最近這個劉武電的這個事件。\n\n10:07.941 --> 10:10.763\n您知道這件事嗎?以後海巡人員遇到這樣的事情,第一線要怎麼執法?\n\n10:32.056 --> 10:33.578\n大陸船可不可以進入我們的近線制水域?做清淤?\n\n10:33.578 --> 10:35.059\n不可以啊。不可以?誰告訴你不可以?\n\n10:55.308 --> 11:00.689\n這是根據兩岸人民關係條例的計劃。根據交通部104年12月14日交行制,有一個公告。104年12月17日要開始實施。運送客貨輪迫經過金銜之水進入大陸地區下門港是被允許的。\n\n11:23.906 --> 11:24.986\n錄委會,你們現在遇到什麼問題都是一樣?\n\n11:37.671 --> 12:00.613\n你們都沒有做跨部會的協商,你看海委會他不知道,他認為這個不被允許,院長也不知道,然後很多事情在陸委會沒有充分的告知其他的相關部會的很多法律規定以後,在第一線執行的海軍人員非常的辛苦。他們不知道有一些規定是可以的,有一些可能是不行的。那你陸委會很了解這個,你知道這個東西嗎?我知道。你知道了齁,所以你知道了。\n\n12:01.974 --> 12:02.655\n我現在問的是因為第一線海巡人員要執法非常辛苦。\n\n12:26.678 --> 12:45.698\n他們到底要怎麼執法,什麼是可以的什麼是不可以的,應該是驅離啊、帶回來還是趕走還是怎麼樣,這個很難執法,因為對法令有一些舊的東西很多齁,過去的東西不熟悉嘛,不熟悉就是,院長我從這次的這個事件中我發現你們跨部位的協商市場非常弱的。\n\n12:46.218 --> 13:03.303\n您們這個一定要加強尤其面對這麼重要的尤其有關兩岸關係的事情的時候有很多過去我們跟大陸累積很多的善意然後事實上有很多相關的法令規定喔事實上是可以解決很多問題的包括例子包括怎麼樣去溝通這些都是可以解決問題的有時候不一定要走到那麼劍拔弩張那個地步這麼驚嚇所謂的小事\n\n13:11.906 --> 13:12.066\n﹚陳玉珍\n\n13:29.747 --> 13:32.108\n委員其實委員大家也知道這個其實原來已經談得到一定的程度有的有共識有的\n\n13:50.812 --> 14:17.003\n對啦,但是我,我也希望,我也希望有的人不要,院長你也不要得到,院長你也要得到正確的資訊,據我所知勒,大陸並沒有在那個談判過程中齁,協商過程中的那個,溝通過程中那個什麼會談計時要求說要把我們這家海巡送到大陸去送審,絕對沒有這件事情,你也去問一下海巡這中間的過程,這細部內部,\n\n14:19.425 --> 14:34.301\n談判是要保持機密的,那既然委員也會知道,我覺得這個機密好像就沒有被遵守。我知道的不是這樣子,我知道對方並沒有告訴我全部,但是我也不是只有從大陸了解事情,我也從台灣了解事情。\n\n14:38.766 --> 14:39.307\n主委,這個陸客開放到金門啊?\n\n15:08.650 --> 15:13.195\n謝謝陳委員玉珍的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第四位,謝委員龍介質詢。\n\n","segments":[{"start":4.261,"end":6.024,"text":"陳委員早,恭喜陳委員當選連任。"},{"start":17.82,"end":33.608,"text":"謝謝院長,歡迎再到金門跟我們指導。這個院長您說過您扶國立民的政策不會因為是看守內閣就不續推嘛。是。所以呢我們下面幾件事情我們也請院長繼續來很快的來協助我們金門地區。我來聆聽。"},{"start":34.918,"end":35.058,"text":"﹚陳玉珍﹚"},{"start":53.485,"end":69.885,"text":"請問警政署這邊,我們警政署在金門有一個警官會館,它的使用率非常低,那時候我們有去辦過會刊,那後來就是說要把這個金門的警官會館轉型成這個大同之家的二館,讓我們的老年人可以及早的進駐。"},{"start":71.714,"end":96.059,"text":"這個後來我在內政會也質詢過我們林部長。那這個我知道這個進度,部長那時候說這要等金門憲政委員簽公文上來的時候才會往下辦理。那我知道就有那個金門憲政委員已經把相關的計畫送上來了。然後警政署署長那邊也已經同意了。現在公文是到這個林部長的手上齁。那這個部長這邊是,這個案子是到你手上覺醒就可以了嗎?還是說還要到我們院長這裡?"},{"start":98.425,"end":124.393,"text":"部長您先回答一下。這個案子還沒有到我桌上,不過我詢問最新的一個資訊是已經送到部裡面了,我們會盡快簽辦。那到您這邊就可以了嗎?這部長決心就行了?到部就可以了。到部長就可以了,然後部長您這一點會同意嗎?就是把我們警官會館,警政署已經同意了,是變成我們大鴻之家的惡館。我們還是留一些空間給警政署使用還是有了?"},{"start":125.319,"end":151.716,"text":"我想這一部分如果這個警政署跟金門縣政府已經協調好我想原則上我們會來支持不過就是跟委員報告後續的預算的部分大家再來討論這個後面怎麼來整建各方面好謝謝那我們把景觀會館就轉型成大同之家二館讓這個金門的老年人可以及早的入住大同之家這是好事對好謝謝院長謝謝院長支持預算也要支持好"},{"start":152.677,"end":173.112,"text":"接著這個國家公園的部分106年金門國家公園的範圍佔了金門全島的大概四分之一那這個民眾對這個因為國家公園是當然幫我們做的很好保存建設很好但是也有很多的限制造成居民的不便我們金門一直希望比照這個澎湖跟馬祖做成這個風景管理區"},{"start":173.772,"end":175.593,"text":"目前為止已經進行7年了,不知道這個進度現在如何?"},{"start":175.593,"end":175.613,"text":"這個部長"},{"start":190.66,"end":208.625,"text":"是,這個在2月份的時候大概民眾跟公民團體提出來的陳情意見大概有112件目前這個已經在修正相關的一個書圖的一個草案那預計是大概3月中左右那中就現在?對"},{"start":210.01,"end":213.932,"text":"大概3月中左右會修正完畢,然後會修正完畢之後會提報到內政部國家公園署然後再轉國家公園委員會來進行審議。 那這個總共大概還要多久的時間呢?"},{"start":227.512,"end":232.375,"text":"就看這個審議的結果。因為案子蠻多的,他有112件。這個請禁訴,已經進行7年了。希望520之前可以完成嗎?因為有100多件。效率好一點。我們加強啦。"},{"start":244.562,"end":244.582,"text":"﹚記者"},{"start":264.091,"end":264.792,"text":"不管在行政方面或是預算方面都請支持。"},{"start":290.174,"end":319.224,"text":"我們樂觀其成我們也會來協辦不過也請委員就是比如說包括像體育部體育署還有包括像這個運動基金觀光署院長這邊也是幫忙交代體育署還有交通部這邊也幫忙預算來協調我們可以來參與協辦預算的部分我們除了協辦以外我們也需要你們的經費移除我們很多事情金門縣政府都是自己比較獨立打拚大家中央都一直覺得金門縣政府的這個"},{"start":319.964,"end":319.984,"text":"拜訪議員"},{"start":335.963,"end":351.812,"text":"我敢說我對這件事情的瞭解算是全面性的,我不只是只有聽我們官員或者是媒體報導,我事實上當面跟所有的單位都做過,包括海巡執法的當事人,包括"},{"start":352.312,"end":352.412,"text":"﹚陳玉珍"},{"start":382.332,"end":383.114,"text":"您知道以前有一個金門協議嗎?"},{"start":383.114,"end":384.317,"text":"1990年你知道這件事嗎?"},{"start":393.254,"end":406.605,"text":"我知道有這樣的一個基本協議,但是我在這裡跟委員說明一下這一個金夏海域的這個事件,實際上我們海巡署就是為了要確保這一個漁民的潛意識。我現在只有兩個問題要問,第一個金夏協議我就要問兩個問題,第一個就是說往下是要怎麼處理?"},{"start":412.91,"end":436.456,"text":"用什麼模式處理?這個是解決問題的模式和方法。第二個是說以後我們第一線的海巡弟兄們到底要怎麼執勤?這兩個問題才是我們下去要面對的。自己過去已經產生很多紛紛擾擾就慢慢逐項來解決。法務部其實速度要加快事實上影響很大。法務部的速度很重要。我想金門快艇案就像這裡講的就是一定要等到我們這一個"},{"start":438.676,"end":466.047,"text":"但是法務部的速度,法務部院長,你有沒有覺得法務部大概多久可以把這個事情調查出一個大概一個初步的段落?因為今天法務部﹖您啊,您啊,你是院長,法務部沒有當你啊。我是當然是越快越好。越快越好,比如說多久?一個月、兩個月、三個月?這個司法,我們尊重司法偵辦的時間。當然尊重司法,但是有這個涉及這麼大的國安事件的總要一個時間嘛,壓一個時間就好了。你要多久你覺得比較合理的?"},{"start":466.807,"end":484.83,"text":"我想我沒有辦法替...520之前總是可以吧,現在都已經3月了。我們盡快,我們盡快來辦。所以你也不敢承諾嗎?這是一種決心的表現。這個我們要尊重司法,委員會是尊重司法嘛。但是你要給他時間來個案子辦得要,這種案子也不是很複雜。"},{"start":485.811,"end":496.002,"text":"那現在的情況就是說還需要一些海事鑑定啊等等的判判嗎?那這些東西都應該要加快嘛那也不能一件事情遙遙無期嘛影響到整體的儀式發展嘛那我先問第一個問題那個院長您知道這個進門協議嗎?"},{"start":502.222,"end":530.74,"text":"陸委會知道,院長知不知道?我知道,但是我不曉得。你不知道,陸委會知道吧?好知道,來我想請問,陸委會知道,院長不了解,這個有點,如果要處理兩岸事務,不知道以前跟過去的事情,就很難處理現在跟未來的事情。今天協議,其實當初,那我想說,我請問陸委會好了,是不是用這個模式,下去是用這個模式,用兩岸這個紅十字會這個模式,民間的這個模式來往下處理這件事情,這樣是因為整個事件。"},{"start":532.36,"end":560.632,"text":"委員的提案當然是一個可以選擇的項目了那委員大家也知道1990年金門協議之後呢其實兩岸簽訂了很多的協議各部會都有很多的合作我現在是在指這一件事情 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