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也希望在這裡跟院長介紹我們雲林縣的一個優勢，因為大家現在都在討論台積電到底要去哪裡、到底台積電的先進製程要落在哪一個城市？我也藉這個機會跟院長還有部長說一下，雲林縣的優點就是我們有超過1,200公頃的公有土地、台糖土地，完全是希望院長跟部長可以支持。另外我們北有竹科、南有南科，可以形成產業鏈，甚至因為1,200公頃的土地，未來台積電如果落腳在雲林的話，它未來二十年、三十年的發展有足夠的一個腹地。甚至我們有兩所國立科技大學，雲科大、虎科大可以為台積電甚至其他的高科技產業培育專業的人才之外，我們有充沛的水資源，湖山水庫蓄水高達5,347公頃，還有集集攔河堰等等。包括我們有風力發電等等，都希望行政院跟經濟部可以把雲林納進考量，謝謝。"],["陳院長建仁：好。"],["主席：謝謝張委員嘉郡的質詢，謝謝陳院長的備詢。","接下來我們請登記第6號陳委員超明質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":184,"meet_id":"院會-11-1-4","speakers":["韓國瑜","麥玉珍","范雲","陳玉珍","謝龍介","吳沛憶","李彥秀","馬文君","李坤城","沈伯洋","張雅琳","吳宗憲","徐巧芯","陳永康","楊曜","陳俊宇","邱鎮軍","蘇清泉","劉建國","張嘉郡","陳超明","陳秀寳"],"page_start":99,"meetingDate":["2024-03-12"],"gazette_id":"1130601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1130601_00004","1130601_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第1會期第4次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢─ 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00:01:59,702\n我不曉得說經過了上週之後,現在部長記得我上個禮拜問你的,你知道答案嗎?\n\n7\n00:01:59,702 --> 00:02:17,933\n我知道,但是我要跟委員說明,就是我對於整體的,因為剛才那次委員說我不了解成本,但是針對各項的部分我不夠了解,但是對於整個的一個每公頃的生產成本,好像農藥的部分、肥料的部分、薑苗的部分,我就知道了。已經都飆漲了,都飆漲了,你看喔。\n\n8\n00:02:18,993 --> 00:02:41,847\n基本工資從2011年到2024年已經調漲了53%但是我們到座成本大大成長了2、30%到現在我們的工糧收購已經13年前13年前就是本席在這裡提出說一定要照顧農民那這一點我其實看了\n\n9\n00:02:42,748 --> 00:03:03,850\n也非常難過,我希望部長能夠把農民記在身上。我想我們會做整體的規模,不過我這邊先說明一下,雖然說他整體的生產成本有提高大概6到10%,這個我們有算出來。超過,超過。沒有,這個我們是不同地區的一個平均。我沒有想要在這裡跟你辯論。我知道,但是我要跟委員報告的就是,\n\n10\n00:03:04,631 --> 00:03:14,040\n因為從10年前到現在他的產量也有提高。我讓你看一段影片好不好,院長也請您看一下這段影片。\n\n11\n00:03:29,861 --> 00:03:40,358\n您知道這段影片訴求是給農民一點公平。您知道這個影片是誰拍的嗎?我不太清楚。\n\n12\n00:03:41,565 --> 00:04:07,693\n這一段影片是民進黨黨中央在2011年拍的影片。他影片裡面說的,米家人說多少就多少,結果肥料一直去,誰動會掉。這一段影片真的非常符合現在的現況。十幾年來都不調漲公糧收購的價格。我想要請問院長,你看了這段影片,您的感受為何?\n\n13\n00:04:08,618 --> 00:04:26,105\n如果說是肥料在賬、成本在賬、公糧沒有賬,就某個角度上來看,確實是需要有來做全面的檢討,就像剛才言議,什麼樣的方式會比較好,但是我們還是要看\n\n14\n00:04:26,670 --> 00:04:29,633\n我只希望說聽院長這句話我覺得您願意聽農民的心聲就是我們想要在這裡為農民表達的\n\n15\n00:04:51,833 --> 00:05:06,950\n因為呢,院長現在是行政機關的最高首長了。你知道我們真的需要你理解農民的辛苦。尤其呢,我也想再請問院長,你知道公糧收購價格這個制度已經實施了多少年嗎?他已經實施了50年。\n\n16\n00:05:13,243 --> 00:05:29,096\n自從在上任之後第一次在議事廳發表說希望提高公糧收購價格之後呢非常多的網軍側翼一直在攻擊說提高收購公糧收購價格\n\n17\n00:05:30,177 --> 00:05:58,052\n是在圖利中間廠商。我就想問院長跟部長,難道這50年來我們的政府都在圖利中間廠商嗎?不過我想跟委員報告齁,當時的公糧的一個收購有當時的一個環境背景。那針對這麼多年來,我剛才說的,雖然說他的成本...你就問說有沒有嗎?有沒有圖利中間廠商?沒有。這是兩碼子的事。我就想要問你啊,你身為農委會的,農委會你應該要知道,你部長你知不知道有沒有嗎?\n\n18\n00:05:58,792 --> 00:06:21,247\n沒有,我想有沒有圖利中天商人,我們的公糧的收購價格的提高,絕對不是為了商人。是,沒錯,就是要照顧農民,所以我在這裡就是想要求部長,假設真的有圖利中天廠商,這也是你農業部的職責,要去把他揪出來,要讓這些真正的\n\n19\n00:06:22,512 --> 00:06:46,162\n這些補助可以去拿到農民的手上,是農民真正可以拿到,這才是你的職責。您不能夠因為這種虛幻的理由來阻擋公糧收購價格的提高啊。因為你們有看到說那個媒體報告,不過基本上公糧收購提高從過去的經驗它的面積就會提高,面積提高以後產地的價格就會降低。\n\n20\n00:06:47,723 --> 00:07:01,735\n我覺得這個是當初陳吉仲說他要增加收購的數量那才是錯好不好那才有可能說會增加面積所以呢就像剛剛蘇清絕委員講的他給你留了多少爛攤子你知道嗎\n\n21\n00:07:02,395 --> 00:07:29,570\n我最後呢,針對這個議題呢,現在是萬物齊仗,農民希望表達調帳公糧收購價格,這樣一點小小的心聲,難道不合理嗎?所以我在這裡特別的拜託院長,能夠再一次的正面承諾說,是不是能夠在交接以前做決定,讓我們上百萬的農民都能記得說是陳建仁院長照顧的農民。\n\n22\n00:07:30,851 --> 00:07:54,905\n我想這一個公糧收購的這個價格應該有一個更高位的這個目標啦就是要來全面提升這個農民的收益那在這樣的一個增加農民收益的權體下我們可以來做相關的分析檢討謝謝謝謝那剛剛我也想要再提醒一下就是部長\n\n23\n00:07:55,845 --> 00:08:22,288\n就是很多農民問我不管是老農不管是年輕的農民他們都問我說巴拉瓜到底要禁止到幾時這麼便宜又好用的農藥為什麼要禁止它呢我想跟委員說明巴拉瓜本身被禁因為它是一個劇毒農藥而且當時在農村的地區我完全理解你要說的理由但是我現在就是在跟你\n\n24\n00:08:23,427 --> 00:08:48,396\n我們有替代的藥劑轉達轉達農民的心聲包括老農年金是不是能夠調漲現在我們提案說要調到一萬二你們同意嗎我想整個老農年金的一個一個改變一定要配合其他的八大社福的一個基金的第一點第二點部分就是我們也針對了裡面部分的的一些有關門檻的部分我們也做了相當的建議\n\n25\n00:08:48,976 --> 00:08:52,838\n院長,我看起來經濟部是已經決定這個政策非漲不可,就是電價非漲不可。我想要請問院長說,您認為現在是調漲的好時機嗎?\n\n26\n00:09:21,161 --> 00:09:39,856\n確實現在這個時機我們是需要檢討,所以才會讓電價審議委員會來認真地就電價的部分來討論。那最主要的原因我剛才已經講過,就是我們所有的這個染料的價格是在二、五戰爭以後是大量的增加,那台電已經有蠻大的虧損。\n\n27\n00:09:40,737 --> 00:10:06,868\n其實我也很擔心說院長沒有接收到最新的訊息。其實在二屋戰爭的時候,能源價格的確是大大的提漲了。但是呢,到目前為止已經落到將近戰爭前的這樣子的價格。為什麼我們還要大漲呢?我想要,我現在看到的是主計總處公佈的資料。二月份的CPI已經破3了,漲幅高達3.08%。\n\n28\n00:10:08,689 --> 00:10:08,889\n委員那個我們\n\n29\n00:10:22,864 --> 00:10:23,504\n這是現在的CPI,對,但是呢\n\n30\n00:10:50,930 --> 00:10:51,731\n我跟委員報告我們在做\n\n31\n00:11:03,524 --> 00:11:03,604\n﹚張嘉郡\n\n32\n00:11:23,584 --> 00:11:25,847\n我理解但是我還想問院長就是說\n\n33\n00:11:42,124 --> 00:11:51,727\n針對臺電虧損就好像說你說能源波動臺電虧損去年跟前年我們都分別已經編列預算增資1500億、1000億還有特別預算補貼500億目前已經累積虧損3820億那我現在又從報紙上看到說王部長決定今年可能會再從這個超增稅收裡面再補貼1500億這個屬實嗎?\n\n34\n00:12:09,537 --> 00:12:34,264\n他們有提出來﹚我們有申請但是院裡面現在還在試算可以補貼的部分﹚就是這樣才夠捏這樣這樣比較合格捏﹚我沒了解的地方就是說所有百姓也不理解說我們既然已經要撥1500億補貼台電了為什麼我們還要漲電價﹚那個理由很簡單就是你看看他這個以這個燃料費的情況來看就虧損了3800億的今年那個1800億的5000多億\n\n35\n00:12:39,125 --> 00:12:43,969\n所以簡單講就是過往政府給台電的資金跟補貼的經費跟台電兩年的虧損來比,這虧損還是遠大於撥補的部分。\n\n36\n00:13:00,983 --> 00:13:16,959\n我簡單講一下就是說為什麼會有這個虧損是不是能源政策有錯這個是值得檢討但我今天的訴求很簡單就是希望民生用電330度以下的這個民生用電可以動長我也想要請問院長說不曉得這一次漲電價的這個\n\n37\n00:13:21,263 --> 00:13:21,283\n謝謝你幫\n\n38\n00:13:37,847 --> 00:13:40,148\n請問一下農業部有沒有,假設調漲是經濟部會一定調漲,那農業部有沒有針對漁業用電、農業用電\n\n39\n00:14:00,152 --> 00:14:01,875\n這相關的信息都會在審議委員會裏面報告?\n\n40\n00:14:15,754 --> 00:14:43,092\n院長介紹一下我們雲林縣的一個優勢因為大家現在都在討論說臺積電到底要去哪裡啊臺積電到底他的先進製程要落在哪一個城市那我也借這個機會跟院長還有部長說一下我們雲林縣的優點就是我們有超過1200公頃的公有土地臺塘土地這是完全是希望說院長跟部長可以支持\n\n41\n00:14:43,672 --> 00:15:11,304\n另外就是說我們北有竹科南有南科可以形成產業鏈甚至因為1200公頃的土地它未來台積電如果落腳在雲林的話它未來20年30年的發展它有足夠的一個腹地甚至呢我們有兩所國立科技大學雲科大虎科大可以為台積電甚至其他的高科技產業來培育專業的人才之外呢我們有充沛的水資源\n\n42\n00:15:11,704 --> 00:15:14,046\n謝謝張委員嘉峻的質詢。謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第6號陳委員昌明質詢。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n189\t5533\t院長我想請陳院長麻煩再請陳院長備詢謝謝院長首先我想感謝陳院長在2月27號那一天丁薛忠委員質詢的時候承諾說願意開始來調漲公糧收購的價格請問院長記得嗎公糧收購的這一個部分農業部有他的一貫的政策\n29292\t29332\t﹚張嘉郡\n45302\t64017\t那一天之後呢其實農民都為之沸騰覺得說院長您是一個真正苦民所苦願意為農民思考的院長所以我在這裡也拜託農業部我們部長是不是能夠盡速的把這個方案提出來趕快來提高公糧收購的價格\n64998\t89780\t我想跟委員說明在經濟委員會的時候就是經濟委員會有個決議就是我們會在一個月之內就提高農民收益的部分做一個完整的規劃那我在這邊要跟委員說明就是提高農民的收益有非常非常多的方法我們會做一個完整的規劃到時候在一個月以後會跟我們的經濟委員會還有所有的委員報告是這一點當然我非常清楚因為那一天我質詢\n91081\t114219\t部長啊 這個我問院長可能院長比較不能夠理解但是呢我那一天問了部長說央苗一盤多少錢我還問了他說插秧費多少錢整地費多少錢我問他13年前的他不知道我覺得是情有可原但是呢我問他現在的他也不知道\n115239\t119702\t我不曉得說經過了上週之後,現在部長記得我上個禮拜問你的,你知道答案嗎?\n119702\t137933\t我知道,但是我要跟委員說明,就是我對於整體的,因為剛才那次委員說我不了解成本,但是針對各項的部分我不夠了解,但是對於整個的一個每公頃的生產成本,好像農藥的部分、肥料的部分、薑苗的部分,我就知道了。 已經都飆漲了,都飆漲了,你看喔。\n138993\t161847\t基本工資從2011年到2024年已經調漲了53%但是我們到座成本大大成長了2、30%到現在我們的工糧收購已經13年前13年前就是本席在這裡提出說一定要照顧農民那這一點我其實看了\n162748\t183850\t也非常難過,我希望部長能夠把農民記在身上。 我想我們會做整體的規模,不過我這邊先說明一下,雖然說他整體的生產成本有提高大概6到10%,這個我們有算出來。 超過,超過。 沒有,這個我們是不同地區的一個平均。 我沒有想要在這裡跟你辯論。 我知道,但是我要跟委員報告的就是,\n184631\t194040\t因為從10年前到現在他的產量也有提高。 我讓你看一段影片好不好,院長也請您看一下這段影片。\n209861\t220358\t您知道這段影片訴求是給農民一點公平。您知道這個影片是誰拍的嗎?我不太清楚。\n221565\t247693\t這一段影片是民進黨黨中央在2011年拍的影片。他影片裡面說的,米家人說多少就多少,結果肥料一直去,誰動會掉。這一段影片真的非常符合現在的現況。十幾年來都不調漲公糧收購的價格。我想要請問院長,你看了這段影片,您的感受為何?\n248618\t266105\t如果說是肥料在賬、成本在賬、公糧沒有賬,就某個角度上來看,確實是需要有來做全面的檢討,就像剛才言議,什麼樣的方式會比較好,但是我們還是要看\n266670\t269633\t我只希望說聽院長這句話我覺得您願意聽農民的心聲就是我們想要在這裡為農民表達的\n291833\t306950\t因為呢,院長現在是行政機關的最高首長了。你知道我們真的需要你理解農民的辛苦。尤其呢,我也想再請問院長,你知道公糧收購價格這個制度已經實施了多少年嗎?他已經實施了50年。\n313243\t329096\t自從在上任之後第一次在議事廳發表說希望提高公糧收購價格之後呢非常多的網軍側翼一直在攻擊說提高收購公糧收購價格\n330177\t358052\t是在圖利中間廠商。我就想問院長跟部長,難道這50年來我們的政府都在圖利中間廠商嗎?不過我想跟委員報告齁,當時的公糧的一個收購有當時的一個環境背景。那針對這麼多年來,我剛才說的,雖然說他的成本...你就問說有沒有嗎?有沒有圖利中間廠商?沒有。這是兩碼子的事。我就想要問你啊,你身為農委會的,農委會你應該要知道,你部長你知不知道有沒有嗎?\n358792\t381247\t沒有,我想有沒有圖利中天商人,我們的公糧的收購價格的提高,絕對不是為了商人。 是,沒錯,就是要照顧農民,所以我在這裡就是想要求部長,假設真的有圖利中天廠商,這也是你農業部的職責,要去把他揪出來,要讓這些真正的\n382512\t406162\t這些補助可以去拿到農民的手上,是農民真正可以拿到,這才是你的職責。您不能夠因為這種虛幻的理由來阻擋公糧收購價格的提高啊。因為你們有看到說那個媒體報告,不過基本上公糧收購提高從過去的經驗它的面積就會提高,面積提高以後產地的價格就會降低。\n407723\t421735\t我覺得這個是當初陳吉仲說他要增加收購的數量那才是錯好不好那才有可能說會增加面積所以呢就像剛剛蘇清絕委員講的他給你留了多少爛攤子你知道嗎\n422395\t449570\t我最後呢,針對這個議題呢,現在是萬物齊仗,農民希望表達調帳公糧收購價格,這樣一點小小的心聲,難道不合理嗎?所以我在這裡特別的拜託院長,能夠再一次的正面承諾說,是不是能夠在交接以前做決定,讓我們上百萬的農民都能記得說是陳建仁院長照顧的農民。\n450851\t474905\t我想這一個公糧收購的這個價格應該有一個更高位的這個目標啦就是要來全面提升這個農民的收益那在這樣的一個增加農民收益的權體下我們可以來做相關的分析檢討謝謝謝謝那剛剛我也想要再提醒一下就是部長\n475845\t502288\t就是很多農民問我不管是老農不管是年輕的農民他們都問我說巴拉瓜到底要禁止到幾時這麼便宜又好用的農藥為什麼要禁止它呢我想跟委員說明巴拉瓜本身被禁因為它是一個劇毒農藥而且當時在農村的地區我完全理解你要說的理由但是我現在就是在跟你\n503427\t528396\t我們有替代的藥劑轉達轉達農民的心聲包括老農年金是不是能夠調漲現在我們提案說要調到一萬二你們同意嗎我想整個老農年金的一個一個改變一定要配合其他的八大社福的一個基金的第一點第二點部分就是我們也針對了裡面部分的的一些有關門檻的部分我們也做了相當的建議\n528976\t532838\t院長,我看起來經濟部是已經決定這個政策非漲不可,就是電價非漲不可。我想要請問院長說,您認為現在是調漲的好時機嗎?\n561161\t579856\t確實現在這個時機我們是需要檢討,所以才會讓電價審議委員會來認真地就電價的部分來討論。那最主要的原因我剛才已經講過,就是我們所有的這個染料的價格是在二、五戰爭以後是大量的增加,那台電已經有蠻大的虧損。\n580737\t606868\t其實我也很擔心說院長沒有接收到最新的訊息。其實在二屋戰爭的時候,能源價格的確是大大的提漲了。但是呢,到目前為止已經落到將近戰爭前的這樣子的價格。為什麼我們還要大漲呢?我想要,我現在看到的是主計總處公佈的資料。二月份的CPI已經破3了,漲幅高達3.08%。\n608689\t608889\t委員那個我們\n622864\t623504\t這是現在的CPI,對,但是呢\n650930\t651731\t我跟委員報告我們在做\n663524\t663604\t﹚張嘉郡\n683584\t685847\t我理解但是我還想問院長就是說\n702124\t711727\t針對臺電虧損就好像說你說能源波動臺電虧損去年跟前年我們都分別已經編列預算增資1500億、1000億還有特別預算補貼500億目前已經累積虧損3820億那我現在又從報紙上看到說王部長決定今年可能會再從這個超增稅收裡面再補貼1500億這個屬實嗎?\n729537\t754264\t他們有提出來﹚我們有申請但是院裡面現在還在試算可以補貼的部分﹚就是這樣才夠捏這樣這樣比較合格捏﹚我沒了解的地方就是說所有百姓也不理解說我們既然已經要撥1500億補貼台電了為什麼我們還要漲電價﹚那個理由很簡單就是你看看他這個以這個燃料費的情況來看就虧損了3800億的今年那個1800億的5000多億\n759125\t763969\t所以簡單講就是過往政府給台電的資金跟補貼的經費跟台電兩年的虧損來比,這虧損還是遠大於撥補的部分。\n780983\t796959\t我簡單講一下就是說為什麼會有這個虧損是不是能源政策有錯這個是值得檢討但我今天的訴求很簡單就是希望民生用電330度以下的這個民生用電可以動長我也想要請問院長說不曉得這一次漲電價的這個\n801263\t801283\t謝謝你幫\n817847\t820148\t請問一下農業部有沒有,假設調漲是經濟部會一定調漲,那農業部有沒有針對漁業用電、農業用電\n840152\t841875\t這相關的信息都會在審議委員會裏面報告?\n855754\t883092\t院長介紹一下我們雲林縣的一個優勢因為大家現在都在討論說臺積電到底要去哪裡啊臺積電到底他的先進製程要落在哪一個城市那我也借這個機會跟院長還有部長說一下我們雲林縣的優點就是我們有超過1200公頃的公有土地臺塘土地這是完全是希望說院長跟部長可以支持\n883672\t911304\t另外就是說我們北有竹科南有南科可以形成產業鏈甚至因為1200公頃的土地它未來台積電如果落腳在雲林的話它未來20年30年的發展它有足夠的一個腹地甚至呢我們有兩所國立科技大學雲科大虎科大可以為台積電甚至其他的高科技產業來培育專業的人才之外呢我們有充沛的水資源\n911704\t914046\t謝謝張委員嘉峻的質詢。謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第6號陳委員昌明質詢。\n","txt":"院長我想請陳院長麻煩再請陳院長備詢謝謝院長首先我想感謝陳院長在2月27號那一天丁薛忠委員質詢的時候承諾說願意開始來調漲公糧收購的價格請問院長記得嗎公糧收購的這一個部分農業部有他的一貫的政策\n﹚張嘉郡\n那一天之後呢其實農民都為之沸騰覺得說院長您是一個真正苦民所苦願意為農民思考的院長所以我在這裡也拜託農業部我們部長是不是能夠盡速的把這個方案提出來趕快來提高公糧收購的價格\n我想跟委員說明在經濟委員會的時候就是經濟委員會有個決議就是我們會在一個月之內就提高農民收益的部分做一個完整的規劃那我在這邊要跟委員說明就是提高農民的收益有非常非常多的方法我們會做一個完整的規劃到時候在一個月以後會跟我們的經濟委員會還有所有的委員報告是這一點當然我非常清楚因為那一天我質詢\n部長啊 這個我問院長可能院長比較不能夠理解但是呢我那一天問了部長說央苗一盤多少錢我還問了他說插秧費多少錢整地費多少錢我問他13年前的他不知道我覺得是情有可原但是呢我問他現在的他也不知道\n我不曉得說經過了上週之後,現在部長記得我上個禮拜問你的,你知道答案嗎?\n我知道,但是我要跟委員說明,就是我對於整體的,因為剛才那次委員說我不了解成本,但是針對各項的部分我不夠了解,但是對於整個的一個每公頃的生產成本,好像農藥的部分、肥料的部分、薑苗的部分,我就知道了。 已經都飆漲了,都飆漲了,你看喔。\n基本工資從2011年到2024年已經調漲了53%但是我們到座成本大大成長了2、30%到現在我們的工糧收購已經13年前13年前就是本席在這裡提出說一定要照顧農民那這一點我其實看了\n也非常難過,我希望部長能夠把農民記在身上。 我想我們會做整體的規模,不過我這邊先說明一下,雖然說他整體的生產成本有提高大概6到10%,這個我們有算出來。 超過,超過。 沒有,這個我們是不同地區的一個平均。 我沒有想要在這裡跟你辯論。 我知道,但是我要跟委員報告的就是,\n因為從10年前到現在他的產量也有提高。 我讓你看一段影片好不好,院長也請您看一下這段影片。\n您知道這段影片訴求是給農民一點公平。您知道這個影片是誰拍的嗎?我不太清楚。\n這一段影片是民進黨黨中央在2011年拍的影片。他影片裡面說的,米家人說多少就多少,結果肥料一直去,誰動會掉。這一段影片真的非常符合現在的現況。十幾年來都不調漲公糧收購的價格。我想要請問院長,你看了這段影片,您的感受為何?\n如果說是肥料在賬、成本在賬、公糧沒有賬,就某個角度上來看,確實是需要有來做全面的檢討,就像剛才言議,什麼樣的方式會比較好,但是我們還是要看\n我只希望說聽院長這句話我覺得您願意聽農民的心聲就是我們想要在這裡為農民表達的\n因為呢,院長現在是行政機關的最高首長了。你知道我們真的需要你理解農民的辛苦。尤其呢,我也想再請問院長,你知道公糧收購價格這個制度已經實施了多少年嗎?他已經實施了50年。\n自從在上任之後第一次在議事廳發表說希望提高公糧收購價格之後呢非常多的網軍側翼一直在攻擊說提高收購公糧收購價格\n是在圖利中間廠商。我就想問院長跟部長,難道這50年來我們的政府都在圖利中間廠商嗎?不過我想跟委員報告齁,當時的公糧的一個收購有當時的一個環境背景。那針對這麼多年來,我剛才說的,雖然說他的成本...你就問說有沒有嗎?有沒有圖利中間廠商?沒有。這是兩碼子的事。我就想要問你啊,你身為農委會的,農委會你應該要知道,你部長你知不知道有沒有嗎?\n沒有,我想有沒有圖利中天商人,我們的公糧的收購價格的提高,絕對不是為了商人。 是,沒錯,就是要照顧農民,所以我在這裡就是想要求部長,假設真的有圖利中天廠商,這也是你農業部的職責,要去把他揪出來,要讓這些真正的\n這些補助可以去拿到農民的手上,是農民真正可以拿到,這才是你的職責。您不能夠因為這種虛幻的理由來阻擋公糧收購價格的提高啊。因為你們有看到說那個媒體報告,不過基本上公糧收購提高從過去的經驗它的面積就會提高,面積提高以後產地的價格就會降低。\n我覺得這個是當初陳吉仲說他要增加收購的數量那才是錯好不好那才有可能說會增加面積所以呢就像剛剛蘇清絕委員講的他給你留了多少爛攤子你知道嗎\n我最後呢,針對這個議題呢,現在是萬物齊仗,農民希望表達調帳公糧收購價格,這樣一點小小的心聲,難道不合理嗎?所以我在這裡特別的拜託院長,能夠再一次的正面承諾說,是不是能夠在交接以前做決定,讓我們上百萬的農民都能記得說是陳建仁院長照顧的農民。\n我想這一個公糧收購的這個價格應該有一個更高位的這個目標啦就是要來全面提升這個農民的收益那在這樣的一個增加農民收益的權體下我們可以來做相關的分析檢討謝謝謝謝那剛剛我也想要再提醒一下就是部長\n就是很多農民問我不管是老農不管是年輕的農民他們都問我說巴拉瓜到底要禁止到幾時這麼便宜又好用的農藥為什麼要禁止它呢我想跟委員說明巴拉瓜本身被禁因為它是一個劇毒農藥而且當時在農村的地區我完全理解你要說的理由但是我現在就是在跟你\n我們有替代的藥劑轉達轉達農民的心聲包括老農年金是不是能夠調漲現在我們提案說要調到一萬二你們同意嗎我想整個老農年金的一個一個改變一定要配合其他的八大社福的一個基金的第一點第二點部分就是我們也針對了裡面部分的的一些有關門檻的部分我們也做了相當的建議\n院長,我看起來經濟部是已經決定這個政策非漲不可,就是電價非漲不可。我想要請問院長說,您認為現在是調漲的好時機嗎?\n確實現在這個時機我們是需要檢討,所以才會讓電價審議委員會來認真地就電價的部分來討論。那最主要的原因我剛才已經講過,就是我們所有的這個染料的價格是在二、五戰爭以後是大量的增加,那台電已經有蠻大的虧損。\n其實我也很擔心說院長沒有接收到最新的訊息。其實在二屋戰爭的時候,能源價格的確是大大的提漲了。但是呢,到目前為止已經落到將近戰爭前的這樣子的價格。為什麼我們還要大漲呢?我想要,我現在看到的是主計總處公佈的資料。二月份的CPI已經破3了,漲幅高達3.08%。\n委員那個我們\n這是現在的CPI,對,但是呢\n我跟委員報告我們在做\n﹚張嘉郡\n我理解但是我還想問院長就是說\n針對臺電虧損就好像說你說能源波動臺電虧損去年跟前年我們都分別已經編列預算增資1500億、1000億還有特別預算補貼500億目前已經累積虧損3820億那我現在又從報紙上看到說王部長決定今年可能會再從這個超增稅收裡面再補貼1500億這個屬實嗎?\n他們有提出來﹚我們有申請但是院裡面現在還在試算可以補貼的部分﹚就是這樣才夠捏這樣這樣比較合格捏﹚我沒了解的地方就是說所有百姓也不理解說我們既然已經要撥1500億補貼台電了為什麼我們還要漲電價﹚那個理由很簡單就是你看看他這個以這個燃料費的情況來看就虧損了3800億的今年那個1800億的5000多億\n所以簡單講就是過往政府給台電的資金跟補貼的經費跟台電兩年的虧損來比,這虧損還是遠大於撥補的部分。\n我簡單講一下就是說為什麼會有這個虧損是不是能源政策有錯這個是值得檢討但我今天的訴求很簡單就是希望民生用電330度以下的這個民生用電可以動長我也想要請問院長說不曉得這一次漲電價的這個\n謝謝你幫\n請問一下農業部有沒有,假設調漲是經濟部會一定調漲,那農業部有沒有針對漁業用電、農業用電\n這相關的信息都會在審議委員會裏面報告?\n院長介紹一下我們雲林縣的一個優勢因為大家現在都在討論說臺積電到底要去哪裡啊臺積電到底他的先進製程要落在哪一個城市那我也借這個機會跟院長還有部長說一下我們雲林縣的優點就是我們有超過1200公頃的公有土地臺塘土地這是完全是希望說院長跟部長可以支持\n另外就是說我們北有竹科南有南科可以形成產業鏈甚至因為1200公頃的土地它未來台積電如果落腳在雲林的話它未來20年30年的發展它有足夠的一個腹地甚至呢我們有兩所國立科技大學雲科大虎科大可以為台積電甚至其他的高科技產業來培育專業的人才之外呢我們有充沛的水資源\n謝謝張委員嘉峻的質詢。謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第6號陳委員昌明質詢。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.189 --> 00:05.533\n院長我想請陳院長麻煩再請陳院長備詢謝謝院長首先我想感謝陳院長在2月27號那一天丁薛忠委員質詢的時候承諾說願意開始來調漲公糧收購的價格請問院長記得嗎公糧收購的這一個部分農業部有他的一貫的政策\n\n00:29.292 --> 00:29.332\n﹚張嘉郡\n\n00:45.302 --> 01:04.017\n那一天之後呢其實農民都為之沸騰覺得說院長您是一個真正苦民所苦願意為農民思考的院長所以我在這裡也拜託農業部我們部長是不是能夠盡速的把這個方案提出來趕快來提高公糧收購的價格\n\n01:04.998 --> 01:29.780\n我想跟委員說明在經濟委員會的時候就是經濟委員會有個決議就是我們會在一個月之內就提高農民收益的部分做一個完整的規劃那我在這邊要跟委員說明就是提高農民的收益有非常非常多的方法我們會做一個完整的規劃到時候在一個月以後會跟我們的經濟委員會還有所有的委員報告是這一點當然我非常清楚因為那一天我質詢\n\n01:31.081 --> 01:54.219\n部長啊這個我問院長可能院長比較不能夠理解但是呢我那一天問了部長說央苗一盤多少錢我還問了他說插秧費多少錢整地費多少錢我問他13年前的他不知道我覺得是情有可原但是呢我問他現在的他也不知道\n\n01:55.239 --> 01:59.702\n我不曉得說經過了上週之後,現在部長記得我上個禮拜問你的,你知道答案嗎?\n\n01:59.702 --> 02:17.933\n我知道,但是我要跟委員說明,就是我對於整體的,因為剛才那次委員說我不了解成本,但是針對各項的部分我不夠了解,但是對於整個的一個每公頃的生產成本,好像農藥的部分、肥料的部分、薑苗的部分,我就知道了。已經都飆漲了,都飆漲了,你看喔。\n\n02:18.993 --> 02:41.847\n基本工資從2011年到2024年已經調漲了53%但是我們到座成本大大成長了2、30%到現在我們的工糧收購已經13年前13年前就是本席在這裡提出說一定要照顧農民那這一點我其實看了\n\n02:42.748 --> 03:03.850\n也非常難過,我希望部長能夠把農民記在身上。我想我們會做整體的規模,不過我這邊先說明一下,雖然說他整體的生產成本有提高大概6到10%,這個我們有算出來。超過,超過。沒有,這個我們是不同地區的一個平均。我沒有想要在這裡跟你辯論。我知道,但是我要跟委員報告的就是,\n\n03:04.631 --> 03:14.040\n因為從10年前到現在他的產量也有提高。我讓你看一段影片好不好,院長也請您看一下這段影片。\n\n03:29.861 --> 03:40.358\n您知道這段影片訴求是給農民一點公平。您知道這個影片是誰拍的嗎?我不太清楚。\n\n03:41.565 --> 04:07.693\n這一段影片是民進黨黨中央在2011年拍的影片。他影片裡面說的,米家人說多少就多少,結果肥料一直去,誰動會掉。這一段影片真的非常符合現在的現況。十幾年來都不調漲公糧收購的價格。我想要請問院長,你看了這段影片,您的感受為何?\n\n04:08.618 --> 04:26.105\n如果說是肥料在賬、成本在賬、公糧沒有賬,就某個角度上來看,確實是需要有來做全面的檢討,就像剛才言議,什麼樣的方式會比較好,但是我們還是要看\n\n04:26.670 --> 04:29.633\n我只希望說聽院長這句話我覺得您願意聽農民的心聲就是我們想要在這裡為農民表達的\n\n04:51.833 --> 05:06.950\n因為呢,院長現在是行政機關的最高首長了。你知道我們真的需要你理解農民的辛苦。尤其呢,我也想再請問院長,你知道公糧收購價格這個制度已經實施了多少年嗎?他已經實施了50年。\n\n05:13.243 --> 05:29.096\n自從在上任之後第一次在議事廳發表說希望提高公糧收購價格之後呢非常多的網軍側翼一直在攻擊說提高收購公糧收購價格\n\n05:30.177 --> 05:58.052\n是在圖利中間廠商。我就想問院長跟部長,難道這50年來我們的政府都在圖利中間廠商嗎?不過我想跟委員報告齁,當時的公糧的一個收購有當時的一個環境背景。那針對這麼多年來,我剛才說的,雖然說他的成本...你就問說有沒有嗎?有沒有圖利中間廠商?沒有。這是兩碼子的事。我就想要問你啊,你身為農委會的,農委會你應該要知道,你部長你知不知道有沒有嗎?\n\n05:58.792 --> 06:21.247\n沒有,我想有沒有圖利中天商人,我們的公糧的收購價格的提高,絕對不是為了商人。是,沒錯,就是要照顧農民,所以我在這裡就是想要求部長,假設真的有圖利中天廠商,這也是你農業部的職責,要去把他揪出來,要讓這些真正的\n\n06:22.512 --> 06:46.162\n這些補助可以去拿到農民的手上,是農民真正可以拿到,這才是你的職責。您不能夠因為這種虛幻的理由來阻擋公糧收購價格的提高啊。因為你們有看到說那個媒體報告,不過基本上公糧收購提高從過去的經驗它的面積就會提高,面積提高以後產地的價格就會降低。\n\n06:47.723 --> 07:01.735\n我覺得這個是當初陳吉仲說他要增加收購的數量那才是錯好不好那才有可能說會增加面積所以呢就像剛剛蘇清絕委員講的他給你留了多少爛攤子你知道嗎\n\n07:02.395 --> 07:29.570\n我最後呢,針對這個議題呢,現在是萬物齊仗,農民希望表達調帳公糧收購價格,這樣一點小小的心聲,難道不合理嗎?所以我在這裡特別的拜託院長,能夠再一次的正面承諾說,是不是能夠在交接以前做決定,讓我們上百萬的農民都能記得說是陳建仁院長照顧的農民。\n\n07:30.851 --> 07:54.905\n我想這一個公糧收購的這個價格應該有一個更高位的這個目標啦就是要來全面提升這個農民的收益那在這樣的一個增加農民收益的權體下我們可以來做相關的分析檢討謝謝謝謝那剛剛我也想要再提醒一下就是部長\n\n07:55.845 --> 08:22.288\n就是很多農民問我不管是老農不管是年輕的農民他們都問我說巴拉瓜到底要禁止到幾時這麼便宜又好用的農藥為什麼要禁止它呢我想跟委員說明巴拉瓜本身被禁因為它是一個劇毒農藥而且當時在農村的地區我完全理解你要說的理由但是我現在就是在跟你\n\n08:23.427 --> 08:48.396\n我們有替代的藥劑轉達轉達農民的心聲包括老農年金是不是能夠調漲現在我們提案說要調到一萬二你們同意嗎我想整個老農年金的一個一個改變一定要配合其他的八大社福的一個基金的第一點第二點部分就是我們也針對了裡面部分的的一些有關門檻的部分我們也做了相當的建議\n\n08:48.976 --> 08:52.838\n院長,我看起來經濟部是已經決定這個政策非漲不可,就是電價非漲不可。我想要請問院長說,您認為現在是調漲的好時機嗎?\n\n09:21.161 --> 09:39.856\n確實現在這個時機我們是需要檢討,所以才會讓電價審議委員會來認真地就電價的部分來討論。那最主要的原因我剛才已經講過,就是我們所有的這個染料的價格是在二、五戰爭以後是大量的增加,那台電已經有蠻大的虧損。\n\n09:40.737 --> 10:06.868\n其實我也很擔心說院長沒有接收到最新的訊息。其實在二屋戰爭的時候,能源價格的確是大大的提漲了。但是呢,到目前為止已經落到將近戰爭前的這樣子的價格。為什麼我們還要大漲呢?我想要,我現在看到的是主計總處公佈的資料。二月份的CPI已經破3了,漲幅高達3.08%。\n\n10:08.689 --> 10:08.889\n委員那個我們\n\n10:22.864 --> 10:23.504\n這是現在的CPI,對,但是呢\n\n10:50.930 --> 10:51.731\n我跟委員報告我們在做\n\n11:03.524 --> 11:03.604\n﹚張嘉郡\n\n11:23.584 --> 11:25.847\n我理解但是我還想問院長就是說\n\n11:42.124 --> 11:51.727\n針對臺電虧損就好像說你說能源波動臺電虧損去年跟前年我們都分別已經編列預算增資1500億、1000億還有特別預算補貼500億目前已經累積虧損3820億那我現在又從報紙上看到說王部長決定今年可能會再從這個超增稅收裡面再補貼1500億這個屬實嗎?\n\n12:09.537 --> 12:34.264\n他們有提出來﹚我們有申請但是院裡面現在還在試算可以補貼的部分﹚就是這樣才夠捏這樣這樣比較合格捏﹚我沒了解的地方就是說所有百姓也不理解說我們既然已經要撥1500億補貼台電了為什麼我們還要漲電價﹚那個理由很簡單就是你看看他這個以這個燃料費的情況來看就虧損了3800億的今年那個1800億的5000多億\n\n12:39.125 --> 12:43.969\n所以簡單講就是過往政府給台電的資金跟補貼的經費跟台電兩年的虧損來比,這虧損還是遠大於撥補的部分。\n\n13:00.983 --> 13:16.959\n我簡單講一下就是說為什麼會有這個虧損是不是能源政策有錯這個是值得檢討但我今天的訴求很簡單就是希望民生用電330度以下的這個民生用電可以動長我也想要請問院長說不曉得這一次漲電價的這個\n\n13:21.263 --> 13:21.283\n謝謝你幫\n\n13:37.847 --> 13:40.148\n請問一下農業部有沒有,假設調漲是經濟部會一定調漲,那農業部有沒有針對漁業用電、農業用電\n\n14:00.152 --> 14:01.875\n這相關的信息都會在審議委員會裏面報告?\n\n14:15.754 --> 14:43.092\n院長介紹一下我們雲林縣的一個優勢因為大家現在都在討論說臺積電到底要去哪裡啊臺積電到底他的先進製程要落在哪一個城市那我也借這個機會跟院長還有部長說一下我們雲林縣的優點就是我們有超過1200公頃的公有土地臺塘土地這是完全是希望說院長跟部長可以支持\n\n14:43.672 --> 15:11.304\n另外就是說我們北有竹科南有南科可以形成產業鏈甚至因為1200公頃的土地它未來台積電如果落腳在雲林的話它未來20年30年的發展它有足夠的一個腹地甚至呢我們有兩所國立科技大學雲科大虎科大可以為台積電甚至其他的高科技產業來培育專業的人才之外呢我們有充沛的水資源\n\n15:11.704 --> 15:14.046\n謝謝張委員嘉峻的質詢。謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第6號陳委員昌明質詢。\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.189,"end":5.533,"text":"院長我想請陳院長麻煩再請陳院長備詢謝謝院長首先我想感謝陳院長在2月27號那一天丁薛忠委員質詢的時候承諾說願意開始來調漲公糧收購的價格請問院長記得嗎公糧收購的這一個部分農業部有他的一貫的政策"},{"start":29.292,"end":29.332,"text":"﹚張嘉郡"},{"start":45.302,"end":64.017,"text":"那一天之後呢其實農民都為之沸騰覺得說院長您是一個真正苦民所苦願意為農民思考的院長所以我在這裡也拜託農業部我們部長是不是能夠盡速的把這個方案提出來趕快來提高公糧收購的價格"},{"start":64.998,"end":89.78,"text":"我想跟委員說明在經濟委員會的時候就是經濟委員會有個決議就是我們會在一個月之內就提高農民收益的部分做一個完整的規劃那我在這邊要跟委員說明就是提高農民的收益有非常非常多的方法我們會做一個完整的規劃到時候在一個月以後會跟我們的經濟委員會還有所有的委員報告是這一點當然我非常清楚因為那一天我質詢"},{"start":91.081,"end":114.219,"text":"部長啊 這個我問院長可能院長比較不能夠理解但是呢我那一天問了部長說央苗一盤多少錢我還問了他說插秧費多少錢整地費多少錢我問他13年前的他不知道我覺得是情有可原但是呢我問他現在的他也不知道"},{"start":115.239,"end":119.702,"text":"我不曉得說經過了上週之後,現在部長記得我上個禮拜問你的,你知道答案嗎?"},{"start":119.702,"end":137.933,"text":"我知道,但是我要跟委員說明,就是我對於整體的,因為剛才那次委員說我不了解成本,但是針對各項的部分我不夠了解,但是對於整個的一個每公頃的生產成本,好像農藥的部分、肥料的部分、薑苗的部分,我就知道了。 已經都飆漲了,都飆漲了,你看喔。"},{"start":138.993,"end":161.847,"text":"基本工資從2011年到2024年已經調漲了53%但是我們到座成本大大成長了2、30%到現在我們的工糧收購已經13年前13年前就是本席在這裡提出說一定要照顧農民那這一點我其實看了"},{"start":162.748,"end":183.85,"text":"也非常難過,我希望部長能夠把農民記在身上。 我想我們會做整體的規模,不過我這邊先說明一下,雖然說他整體的生產成本有提高大概6到10%,這個我們有算出來。 超過,超過。 沒有,這個我們是不同地區的一個平均。 我沒有想要在這裡跟你辯論。 我知道,但是我要跟委員報告的就是,"},{"start":184.631,"end":194.04,"text":"因為從10年前到現在他的產量也有提高。 我讓你看一段影片好不好,院長也請您看一下這段影片。"},{"start":209.861,"end":220.358,"text":"您知道這段影片訴求是給農民一點公平。您知道這個影片是誰拍的嗎?我不太清楚。"},{"start":221.565,"end":247.693,"text":"這一段影片是民進黨黨中央在2011年拍的影片。他影片裡面說的,米家人說多少就多少,結果肥料一直去,誰動會掉。這一段影片真的非常符合現在的現況。十幾年來都不調漲公糧收購的價格。我想要請問院長,你看了這段影片,您的感受為何?"},{"start":248.618,"end":266.105,"text":"如果說是肥料在賬、成本在賬、公糧沒有賬,就某個角度上來看,確實是需要有來做全面的檢討,就像剛才言議,什麼樣的方式會比較好,但是我們還是要看"},{"start":266.67,"end":269.633,"text":"我只希望說聽院長這句話我覺得您願意聽農民的心聲就是我們想要在這裡為農民表達的"},{"start":291.833,"end":306.95,"text":"因為呢,院長現在是行政機關的最高首長了。你知道我們真的需要你理解農民的辛苦。尤其呢,我也想再請問院長,你知道公糧收購價格這個制度已經實施了多少年嗎?他已經實施了50年。"},{"start":313.243,"end":329.096,"text":"自從在上任之後第一次在議事廳發表說希望提高公糧收購價格之後呢非常多的網軍側翼一直在攻擊說提高收購公糧收購價格"},{"start":330.177,"end":358.052,"text":"是在圖利中間廠商。我就想問院長跟部長,難道這50年來我們的政府都在圖利中間廠商嗎?不過我想跟委員報告齁,當時的公糧的一個收購有當時的一個環境背景。那針對這麼多年來,我剛才說的,雖然說他的成本...你就問說有沒有嗎?有沒有圖利中間廠商?沒有。這是兩碼子的事。我就想要問你啊,你身為農委會的,農委會你應該要知道,你部長你知不知道有沒有嗎?"},{"start":358.792,"end":381.247,"text":"沒有,我想有沒有圖利中天商人,我們的公糧的收購價格的提高,絕對不是為了商人。 是,沒錯,就是要照顧農民,所以我在這裡就是想要求部長,假設真的有圖利中天廠商,這也是你農業部的職責,要去把他揪出來,要讓這些真正的"},{"start":382.512,"end":406.162,"text":"這些補助可以去拿到農民的手上,是農民真正可以拿到,這才是你的職責。您不能夠因為這種虛幻的理由來阻擋公糧收購價格的提高啊。因為你們有看到說那個媒體報告,不過基本上公糧收購提高從過去的經驗它的面積就會提高,面積提高以後產地的價格就會降低。"},{"start":407.723,"end":421.735,"text":"我覺得這個是當初陳吉仲說他要增加收購的數量那才是錯好不好那才有可能說會增加面積所以呢就像剛剛蘇清絕委員講的他給你留了多少爛攤子你知道嗎"},{"start":422.395,"end":449.57,"text":"我最後呢,針對這個議題呢,現在是萬物齊仗,農民希望表達調帳公糧收購價格,這樣一點小小的心聲,難道不合理嗎?所以我在這裡特別的拜託院長,能夠再一次的正面承諾說,是不是能夠在交接以前做決定,讓我們上百萬的農民都能記得說是陳建仁院長照顧的農民。"},{"start":450.851,"end":474.905,"text":"我想這一個公糧收購的這個價格應該有一個更高位的這個目標啦就是要來全面提升這個農民的收益那在這樣的一個增加農民收益的權體下我們可以來做相關的分析檢討謝謝謝謝那剛剛我也想要再提醒一下就是部長"},{"start":475.845,"end":502.288,"text":"就是很多農民問我不管是老農不管是年輕的農民他們都問我說巴拉瓜到底要禁止到幾時這麼便宜又好用的農藥為什麼要禁止它呢我想跟委員說明巴拉瓜本身被禁因為它是一個劇毒農藥而且當時在農村的地區我完全理解你要說的理由但是我現在就是在跟你"},{"start":503.427,"end":528.396,"text":"我們有替代的藥劑轉達轉達農民的心聲包括老農年金是不是能夠調漲現在我們提案說要調到一萬二你們同意嗎我想整個老農年金的一個一個改變一定要配合其他的八大社福的一個基金的第一點第二點部分就是我們也針對了裡面部分的的一些有關門檻的部分我們也做了相當的建議"},{"start":528.976,"end":532.838,"text":"院長,我看起來經濟部是已經決定這個政策非漲不可,就是電價非漲不可。我想要請問院長說,您認為現在是調漲的好時機嗎?"},{"start":561.161,"end":579.856,"text":"確實現在這個時機我們是需要檢討,所以才會讓電價審議委員會來認真地就電價的部分來討論。那最主要的原因我剛才已經講過,就是我們所有的這個染料的價格是在二、五戰爭以後是大量的增加,那台電已經有蠻大的虧損。"},{"start":580.737,"end":606.868,"text":"其實我也很擔心說院長沒有接收到最新的訊息。其實在二屋戰爭的時候,能源價格的確是大大的提漲了。但是呢,到目前為止已經落到將近戰爭前的這樣子的價格。為什麼我們還要大漲呢?我想要,我現在看到的是主計總處公佈的資料。二月份的CPI已經破3了,漲幅高達3.08%。"},{"start":608.689,"end":608.889,"text":"委員那個我們"},{"start":622.864,"end":623.504,"text":"這是現在的CPI,對,但是呢"},{"start":650.93,"end":651.731,"text":"我跟委員報告我們在做"},{"start":663.524,"end":663.604,"text":"﹚張嘉郡"},{"start":683.584,"end":685.847,"text":"我理解但是我還想問院長就是說"},{"start":702.124,"end":711.727,"text":"針對臺電虧損就好像說你說能源波動臺電虧損去年跟前年我們都分別已經編列預算增資1500億、1000億還有特別預算補貼500億目前已經累積虧損3820億那我現在又從報紙上看到說王部長決定今年可能會再從這個超增稅收裡面再補貼1500億這個屬實嗎?"},{"start":729.537,"end":754.264,"text":"他們有提出來﹚我們有申請但是院裡面現在還在試算可以補貼的部分﹚就是這樣才夠捏這樣這樣比較合格捏﹚我沒了解的地方就是說所有百姓也不理解說我們既然已經要撥1500億補貼台電了為什麼我們還要漲電價﹚那個理由很簡單就是你看看他這個以這個燃料費的情況來看就虧損了3800億的今年那個1800億的5000多億"},{"start":759.125,"end":763.969,"text":"所以簡單講就是過往政府給台電的資金跟補貼的經費跟台電兩年的虧損來比,這虧損還是遠大於撥補的部分。"},{"start":780.983,"end":796.959,"text":"我簡單講一下就是說為什麼會有這個虧損是不是能源政策有錯這個是值得檢討但我今天的訴求很簡單就是希望民生用電330度以下的這個民生用電可以動長我也想要請問院長說不曉得這一次漲電價的這個"},{"start":801.263,"end":801.283,"text":"謝謝你幫"},{"start":817.847,"end":820.148,"text":"請問一下農業部有沒有,假設調漲是經濟部會一定調漲,那農業部有沒有針對漁業用電、農業用電"},{"start":840.152,"end":841.875,"text":"這相關的信息都會在審議委員會裏面報告?"},{"start":855.754,"end":883.092,"text":"院長介紹一下我們雲林縣的一個優勢因為大家現在都在討論說臺積電到底要去哪裡啊臺積電到底他的先進製程要落在哪一個城市那我也借這個機會跟院長還有部長說一下我們雲林縣的優點就是我們有超過1200公頃的公有土地臺塘土地這是完全是希望說院長跟部長可以支持"},{"start":883.672,"end":911.304,"text":"另外就是說我們北有竹科南有南科可以形成產業鏈甚至因為1200公頃的土地它未來台積電如果落腳在雲林的話它未來20年30年的發展它有足夠的一個腹地甚至呢我們有兩所國立科技大學雲科大虎科大可以為台積電甚至其他的高科技產業來培育專業的人才之外呢我們有充沛的水資源"},{"start":911.704,"end":914.046,"text":"謝謝張委員嘉峻的質詢。謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第6號陳委員昌明質詢。"}]}}}}