{"id":149729,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/149729","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3a8d0956074a29385544487b956be82c04b328b65eecebe0f8ba9b0039caa7a62a5e3ee0d4b51e7c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"陳超明","委員發言時間":"16:10:15 - 16:25:59","影片長度":"00:15:44","會議時間":"2024-03-12T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"第11屆第1會期第4次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。\n二、3月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 \n三、3月12日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。）","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"立法院第11屆第1會期第4次會議","id":"院會-11-1-4","type":"院會","term":11,"sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":4},"date":"2024-03-12","duration":944,"end_time":"2024-03-12T16:25:59+08:00","start_time":"2024-03-12T16:10:15+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":495,"blocks":[["陳委員超明：（16時10分）主席韓院長好，首先有請行政院陳院長。"],["主席：麻煩請陳院長備詢。"],["陳委員超明：還有農業部陳部長。"],["主席：麻煩請農業部部長備詢。"],["陳院長建仁：陳委員午安，恭喜你連任。"],["陳委員超明：謝謝、謝謝，我也感謝陳院長在輔選民進黨期間講話很客氣，不會把我拋棄掉，因為我是實際做事情的人。"],["陳院長建仁：沒有，你對地方很有貢獻。"],["陳委員超明：所以這一點你很公道，我很欣賞，也趁這個機會來謝謝你。","剛剛張嘉郡委員有談到公糧收購價格應該要上漲，我也報告院長，我現在下鄉的時候，大家都在討論電價上漲，電價上漲是會通膨還是通縮？你漲了，大家沒有錢，不敢亂花，各種狀況都會出來，但是我碰到的所有農民朋友都跟我講，叫我務必要反映公糧收購價格要上漲。上一屆我也提了好幾次，好像你們都無動於衷，但是早晚要面臨這樣的問題。","民國100年以前公糧的計畫收購價格是23塊、輔導收購20塊、餘糧收購18.6塊，100年以後分別調整為26、23、21.6塊，100年是誰調漲的？是吳敦義院長。因為陳水扁當總統的時候把什麼都凍起來、不敢上漲，為了選舉要贏，怎麼凍都討好。現在我們蔡英文總統做了8年，這個也不敢漲，連電價都不敢漲，現在整個要一起漲，這是個嚴重的問題。但是剛剛張嘉郡講過了，我們的肥料、我們的農藥、我們的秧苗都在漲價，其實部長在回答說你算得很清楚，可是我到鄉下和農民在一起的時候，他們天天都跟我抱怨，公糧收購價格收穫起來一甲地賺不到一、兩萬。所以現在電價上漲、什麼物價上漲，公糧收購價格沒有上漲的話，農民會有極大的反彈。","我不知道陳院長會不會繼續留任，但是我今天要跟你說，你現在要當好人，未來賴清德當總統的時候，不要把這個問題丟給他，你們這一任把它收拾得好一點。所以在你這一任院長任內，我希望公糧收購價格能調漲，給農民一個交代，讓他們能夠安心。現在他們只要看到電價，就成天煩惱他們都沒有收入，晚上都睡不好覺，雖然有睡覺，但是都睡不好。這點你有辦法答應嗎？確確實實，成本真的在上漲，不管人工、不管什麼。部長，這個問題我問你好幾次了，你……"],["陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員報告，你剛剛說的100年上漲3塊以外，還有2塊的乾燥費，結果我們去調查，從100年到112年，整個農民收益並沒有實質增加，這是第一個，是因為……"],["陳委員超明：沒有實質的增加嘛！"],["陳代理部長駿季：沒有實質增加是因為公糧只占整個稻穀收購的三成，其他的是民糧在收購的，當公糧收購價格提高的時候，面積擴大，民糧的收購價格會往下降，所以我們現在正在從整體農民收益的確保去做一個整體的規劃。"],["陳委員超明：你都跟我說公糧收購只有三成，民間的價格比較好，那三成可不是喔！三成是奉公守法的人大部分都是交公糧的耶！"],["陳代理部長駿季：沒有，我們正在調查的是，過去的成本有差不多6%至10%的上漲，可是產量也提高了。"],["陳委員超明：那本來就不太賺錢，你現在又不漲價，你說民間收購有賺，賺那一點點，這樣不合理，這是不合理的解釋！"],["陳代理部長駿季：不，農業部本身……"],["陳委員超明：我們都出身農家，我們都內行。"],["陳代理部長駿季：對，我們照顧的不只是稻農，而是所有農民，我們都要確保他的收入，包括稻農、種玉米的、種高粱的、種大豆的，所以我們現在做整體評估，就是確保農民收益。"],["陳委員超明：張嘉郡委員剛剛講了，這個問題確實要去研究，你不要說公糧收購只占了30%，對那30%的人特別照顧，所以希望你調高一點。"],["陳院長建仁：委員，因為剛才部長有答應張委員，就讓他們去做更通盤的、站在整體提高農民收益的規劃。那個很快就會出來，一個月就會出來，讓委員看這樣好不好，大家再來討論，好不好？這個不需要太……"],["陳委員超明：說了好幾年，有做好像沒做一樣，把我們應付過去就好了，是嗎？"],["陳院長建仁：不會啦！陳部長不是這種人。"],["陳委員超明：接著又跟公糧有關，就是休耕轉作農作物，你們現在看這張表，11年都沒漲了。你應該要調整公糧、減少面積，把休耕轉作雜糧補助金提高一點，大家就不會去種稻米。兩隻手要如何去平衡，這是要頭腦，不是你這樣說……"],["陳代理部長駿季：感謝委員。我們現在在做的確保農民收益整體評估就是朝這個方向，除了水稻的部分怎麼樣去確保，還要針對其他種雜糧的，特別是稻田轉作這些雜糧，還有休耕的部分。"],["陳委員超明：我是農家出身，所以我跟農民很有話說，他們一直跟我反映這些，我希望你改進，這樣好嗎？"],["陳代理部長駿季：我們在整體規劃會把它同步考慮。"],["陳院長建仁：這是一個很大的工程。"],["陳委員超明：再來請教國發會主委。部長，你不能走，還有你的事情，你怎麼能走？陳部長，還沒有結束啦！"],["主席：繼續再請農業部備詢。"],["陳委員超明：看這個表，農村發展及水土保持署113年到116年農村再生計畫一共有432億預算；農田水利署農田水利跨域整合計畫114年度到117年度的預算有212億。我算是內行的，農村再生我也摸了很久，而你們地方創生摸了很久，但是國發會只有做計畫，又沒有錢，你說要跟他們匡列……"],["龔主任委員明鑫：有啦！"],["陳委員超明：為什麼我今天會特別請你們上來？農村再生很重要，地方創生也很重要，兩個要結合在一起，餅才會做大。你瞭解我講的意思嗎？"],["龔主任委員明鑫：我知道、我瞭解。"],["陳委員超明：我不要看你們做地方創生好像在放煙火，放一放，錢發下去補助，一、兩年後就不見了。"],["龔主任委員明鑫：不，不是！"],["陳委員超明：我跟你說，我實際看到了，我都去執行你這些計畫。"],["龔主任委員明鑫：是，多謝。"],["陳委員超明：所以我希望國發會的地方創生跟農業部的農村再生能結合起來，因為有好幾個計畫在推展。"],["陳代理部長駿季：其實我們的農村再生很緊密跟國發會所主導的地方創生結合……"],["龔主任委員明鑫：對，那個跨部會……"],["陳代理部長駿季：而且幾乎是每一季國發會主委……"],["陳委員超明：你們說結合，我去拜託你們服務，有時候大家都互相推來推去，你講的，如果沒有，我以後就找你們兩個，這樣好不好？"],["陳代理部長駿季：委員有需要的，我們會來……"],["陳委員超明：你答應我，我就不會跟你們囉唆，有答應就……這樣好嗎？"],["陳代理部長駿季：有需要的話，我們都會來協助。"],["陳委員超明：好，我特別請國發會上來，就是要講地方創生跟農村再生。"],["龔主任委員明鑫：是，沒有問題。"],["陳委員超明：因為我摸了很久，我一清二楚，好不好？"],["龔主任委員明鑫：是。"],["陳委員超明：要互相幫忙，這樣計畫才會做得長久而且有效益，這樣好嗎？"],["龔主任委員明鑫：好。"],["陳院長建仁：好，這兩個都很重要。"],["龔主任委員明鑫：因為院長已經看過我們幾個地方創生案……"],["陳委員超明：再來就是農田水利署，你們說現在新的目標是要把每年浪費60%流入大海的水留住，這個計畫不簡單，我還不曉得你們如何留住。你們留這些水要給農民用，不要拿去用在民生用水跟工業用水，這樣好不好？我不知道你們這個計畫……"],["陳代理部長駿季：我跟委員報告，過去我們農田在灌溉的時候，都是用水庫型的水，這是一種，另外一種是溪流的水，現在我們在山坡地有一些農塘可以把水留住……"],["陳委員超明：山坡地的山谷我再教你怎麼做，我以前說要推展，你們都說錢花得比較多……"],["陳代理部長駿季：特別是苗栗地區有很多農塘是值得開發的，就是有一些山坡地，如果用農塘去蓄水，蓄水完以後去引水灌溉，甚至我們有做一些滴灌的補助，所以這個部分是可以處理的。"],["陳委員超明：如果要處理，你真的要做喔！我以前都有拜託你們，講好了，但都只是做1、2個給我看一下……"],["陳代理部長駿季：可以。"],["陳委員超明：我們通霄本來鯉魚潭水庫要引水進來，它的丘陵地很多，山谷凹凹的起起伏伏，那是最好儲水的地方……"],["陳代理部長駿季：瞭解，委員如果有什麼建議，我們都可以虛心接受，大家一起討論。"],["陳委員超明：就這樣啦！時間快沒了，謝謝你。","再來請經濟部長王部長……"],["主席：請經濟部備詢。"],["陳委員超明：和國發會龔主委。這個問題比較大，所以把你們這幾個頭頭叫來，本來我只要請你們的副院長，但今天沒有看到他來……"],["陳院長建仁：不，不，他……"],["陳委員超明：因為大矽谷的問題，有院長在就可以了。我為什麼講苗栗縣值得更好的投資──桃竹竹苗大矽谷計畫？因為我問過國發會主委，你那時說很少到苗栗，去了一次是到我的地方龍鳳漁港剪綵，你說你有去……"],["龔主任委員明鑫：不是啦！我是跟你一起去啦！我去過好多次了。"],["陳委員超明：跟部長大概也是去那一次，院長只有選舉的時候去了兩、三次，還好沒有被你宰死。這個大矽谷計畫我很早就提了，我在110年10月6號時，就特別跟部長提了這個計畫，然後到了111年1月辦理會勘，就是請當初加工區管理局局長陪我去調查，花了整整一天的時間做出來，但是今天你們這個桃竹竹苗大矽谷計畫，我說院長，你實在是看我們苗栗人很沒有，你要曉得苗栗的位置怎麼樣，我們的頭份、竹南靠近新竹科學園區，是連接在一起；南邊的苑裡靠近臺中科學園區，所以發展西部科技走廊，苗栗縣你要把它貫穿起來。你看桃園園區30個，面積986公頃，新竹縣、新竹市322公頃，苗栗3個園區加起來是290公頃，真正要發展的是我們那一邊。桃園有二百多萬人口，新竹縣也滿了，新竹市也沒有地方了，現在我們提出900公頃土地，都是在竹南科學園區附近、在新竹科學園區附近，這幾個地區，從苗栗的頭份、竹南到新竹科學園區，比新竹市到新竹科學園區還要快，你們沒有在這裡好好發展，只看到桃園的票數比較多就擺在桃園，你要平衡、要縮短城鄉差距啊！拜託啦！好好照顧我們苗栗縣，不然我實在不敢回去，因為我堅持這條走廊一定要完成，這一任可能是我的最後一任，但這就是我的信念，我一直在推，我對苗栗的發展非常重視，也非常瞭解未來的發展……"],["陳院長建仁：確實。"],["陳委員超明：你這樣安排，害我都成為最後一名……"],["王部長美花：是，我先跟委員回應……"],["陳委員超明：苗栗縣都是最少的……"],["龔主任委員明鑫：沒有啦！那個科學園區150公頃是……"],["陳委員超明：不，不，賴總統當初宣布這個大矽谷計畫是在苗栗宣布的，我不好意思說他是抄襲我的啦，人家是要當總統的。"],["王部長美花：委員非常重視苗栗的發展，就像委員講的……"],["陳委員超明：你很瞭解啊！我每次都提出來啊！"],["王部長美花：對，我們也跟著委員去看幾個地方，現在苗栗的問題可能一定要地方政府跟中央合作，因為它公有土地比較少，所以第一個問題是私有地要怎麼解決……"],["陳委員超明：私有地部分，我們大概都有去瞭解過了，而且我們的作法很新……"],["王部長美花：是，然後還有就是地質生態的部分……"],["陳委員超明：你可以看到我們苗栗縣鍾東錦縣長的魄力及思維，我自信他能完成……"],["龔主任委員明鑫：是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00:03:20,833\n我們未來的賴清德當總統的時候不要這個問題丟給他。你們這一代把他收拾好一下。所以在你追政的院長之內我希望功能能調整。給農民安心的一個交代。現在他們每天看電視反而都沒有收入。晚上都睡不好覺雖然有睡覺但是都睡不好覺。\n\n10\n00:03:22,082 --> 00:03:36,469\n你覺得有辦法答應,確確實實,成本真的在上漲,不管人工不管什麼,保證我問你幾個點,你現在怎麼明明...我跟委員報告齁,你剛才說的這一百年上漲了3塊以外還有2塊的一個乾燥費齁,結果我們去調查了從100年到112年,整個的農民收益並沒有實質的增加,這是第一個。\n\n11\n00:03:51,977 --> 00:04:02,883\n是因為工糧只佔整個稻谷的收購的三成其他的是民糧在收購的當你工糧收購提高的時候面積擴大民糧的收購價格往下降\n\n12\n00:04:05,064 --> 00:04:24,806\n所以我們現在正在規劃就是從整體的農民的收益的確保去做一個整體的規劃。您都這樣說供糧收購只有三成民間的價格比較好,那三成的不是,三成是奉公所法的,大部分都是交供糧的。我們現在在調查就是說\n\n13\n00:04:27,268 --> 00:04:40,253\n國企的成本有差不多6%至10%的上漲,可是產量也提高了。本來就沒什麼賺錢,你現在又不去,你民間收購的有一點賺,賺了那一點點啦,這樣沒合理的啦,沒有合理的錢就好啦。我跟委員報告說,農業沒軍心,農民我們都外行的啦。\n\n14\n00:04:47,796 --> 00:05:05,863\n我們要購買的不是稻農,我們的所有農民我們都要確保他的收入,包括稻農、包括種玉米的、種高粱的、種大豆的。所以我們現在做整體的一個評估啦,就是確保農民收益。觀眾會員剛剛講了,這個問題確實要去研究,你不要說只有供糧收購的話占了30%,那30%的人特別照顧,所以希望你調高一點。\n\n15\n00:05:15,147 --> 00:05:16,368\n委員這樣啦,因為剛才我們部長有跟張委員答應\n\n16\n00:05:21,343 --> 00:05:33,391\n說讓他們去做一個更通盤的站在整體提高農民收益的這個規劃,他那也很快就會出來嘛,一各位出來,讓委員看說這樣好不好,跟大家再來扣輪啦,好不好?\n\n17\n00:05:52,044 --> 00:06:07,819\n轉做農作物,你現在看這個表,11年都沒去,你應該要調整工糧,你要給他減少面積,你那個休耕轉做雜糧的時候,你把他拿到館裡,大家就不會去種,\n\n18\n00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,443\n你要兩個數字去平衡阿,這是要靠採訪,不是你這樣去做。\n\n19\n00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,221\n看這個表,農村發展期水土保持113年到116年\n\n20\n00:07:06,892 --> 00:07:19,656\n一共有432億,那個前瞻計畫,農村再生的計畫,農田水利市有農田水利跨域整合的計畫,114年度到117年度,212億。\n\n21\n00:07:25,174 --> 00:07:40,838\n我相信這是有內行的,農村再生我會摸了很久,你地方創生摸了很久,但是你國發會只有做計畫又沒有錢,你說要跟他們匡列,我這裡安若驚特別會請你來,農村再生很重要,\n\n22\n00:07:44,759 --> 00:08:01,885\n地方創生也很重要,兩個要結合在一起,餅才會做到,你了解我講的意思嗎?我把一看就你們做,你們地方創生跟他去幫演會,幫幫的,喔,今天播種,一兩年就不見了。我講地方創生,我實際看到了啦,我都在執行你這計畫,所以我希望你國發會的地方,\n\n23\n00:08:13,208 --> 00:08:20,210\n我跟委員報告,其實農村再生其實我們很緊密的跟國會所主導的地方是做做結合的,而且幾乎是每一季,國會主委這邊...\n\n24\n00:08:38,596 --> 00:08:42,983\n委員你有需要的,你都需要,我們都會來協助啊,就是有需要的話我們都會來協助。好,這次來你國會會我特別請你起來\n\n25\n00:08:51,736 --> 00:09:05,341\n我就是要講地方創生跟農村再生,因為我摸了很久我一稱二詞好不好,有做就要有幫忙起來,這樣結尾做完會久久長久有效益,這樣好不好?因為院長已經看過我們幾個地方創生案\n\n26\n00:09:12,064 --> 00:09:24,718\n你們說現在新的目標把每年浪費的60%流自大海的水要流自,我覺得各位不簡單。我還不曉得你們怎麼流自。您老家水要給農民來用。\n\n27\n00:09:27,100 --> 00:09:32,787\n不去提民生用水、去工業用水,這樣好不好?我不知道你這個計劃好不好?我看你們的計劃好不好?\n\n28\n00:09:41,957 --> 00:09:43,338\n我如果邀請你你真的要做我以前都有拜託你們講好好\n\n29\n00:10:09,189 --> 00:10:27,840\n我只是做了一兩個給我看一下。那我們通宵裡面本來李一潭水庫要引水進來的。他的丘陵地很多。他的山谷嗷嗷起起服務那是最好帶水的地方。委員如果有什麼建議我們都可以去進來接受來一起討論。時間要沒了,謝謝你。再來我就請我們經濟部長、國會主委\n\n30\n00:10:44,022 --> 00:11:02,894\n這個問題比較大,把你們這幾個頭叫來,本來我只要請你們的副院長,今天沒有看到哪,因為大溪谷有院長在就能啦。我為什麼講苗栗縣值得更好投資,陶瓷指苗大溪谷去玩,因為我看到我問過\n\n31\n00:11:04,659 --> 00:11:32,348\n我們的國安會主委的時候,你那時候很早到苗栗,去了一次是在我的地方,龍鳳漁港去減產,你說你有去。不是啊,我是跟你一起去啊,我去過很多次。阿部長大概也去那一次,院長只有選舉的時候去了兩三次,還好沒有騙你宅死。這個大巨股計畫我很早就提了。我在110年10月6號部長的時候,我就特別提了這個。\n\n32\n00:11:33,362 --> 00:12:00,448\n然後到了111人也有辦理會刊,我這個地方就是我們當時的加工機長員那個機長我請他們去陪我調查,花了一天整整一天的時間做事啦。但是今天你這個大桃子子廟大事故計畫,我一定你想看完廟了人生。\n\n33\n00:12:02,008 --> 00:12:28,244\n你要曉瞭苗栗的位置是怎樣我們的投汶直攬是靠近新竹科技的前期連結在一起我們南邊的縣裡是靠近台中的科學運氣所以發展西部科技走廊苗栗縣裡要把它貫穿起來我現在看到你再來下一張你看桃園386公頃\n\n34\n00:12:32,202 --> 00:12:51,059\n新竹新竹市322公頃,苗栗3個加起來290公頃,真正的要發展是我們在那一邊啦,討厭200多萬的人口,新竹縣新竹縣也滿了,新竹市也沒有地方了。\n\n35\n00:12:52,284 --> 00:13:09,502\n所以我特別要求我們現在提出900公頃出來都在竹蘭科學園區的附近在新竹科學園區的附近我們這幾個地區從苗栗的竹蘭到新竹科學園區比新竹市道\n\n36\n00:13:12,807 --> 00:13:32,032\n你們只看到桃園的票數比較多就擺在桃園,你要平衡,要縮短城鄉的差距,拜託啦好好照顧我們,你先不來我實在不敢回去,因為我堅持這條走廊我一定要完成。\n\n37\n00:13:33,582 --> 00:13:45,530\n這一陣來啃我最後一陣,這就是我的信念,我一直在推,我對苗栗的發展非常重視,我會了解未來的發展,你這樣給我變成我都最好一名。我先跟委員回應,苗栗限購是最少的,\n\n38\n00:13:54,144 --> 00:14:21,572\n沒有啦,那個科學園區150工刑是...那總統當時宣布這個大矽谷計畫是在苗栗宣布的勒,我不好意思他超虛偶的啦,人家做種種的啦。委員非常重視苗栗的發展,就像委員講的,對,我們也跟著委員去看幾個地方,那現在苗栗的問題可能一定要地方政府跟中央來合作,因為他公有的地比較少。\n\n39\n00:14:22,532 --> 00:14:39,495\n所以他的第一個問題就是私有地這個怎麼解決。我們私有地我們大概都有去了解過了。那所以還有就是地質生態的部分要避開。你可以看到苗栗縣中東景縣長的魄力、他的思維。我自信他能完成。你了解我。\n\n40\n00:14:40,711 --> 00:15:08,096\n主委啊,你也稍微給我照顧一下。我講嘛,我講縣政府他現在他們盤點好以後那個地質上是民間的企業可以使用,然後在地質敏感排除到地質敏感區的話,那我們也來啟動。我會專程派你來苗栗考察一下。主委長我真的很感謝你,你後到那一次我看你每次看到我在場你都不敢亂講話,都說陳超明很無力。\n\n41\n00:15:09,876 --> 00:15:20,587\n所謂民進黨不敢亂修理,我這一點特別感謝。但是我苗栗縣的發展,讓苗栗縣變得偉大,我現在把他扣一塊而已,這樣好不好?\n\n42\n00:15:20,587 --> 00:15:21,989\n把我們轉到旗旗界好不好?\n\n43\n00:15:35,630 --> 00:15:43,742\n謝謝陳委員超明的質詢,謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來登記第七位陳委員秀寶,質詢以書面提出。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2735\t10118\t我們主席韓院長好。首先有請我們行政院陳院長,農業部的陳部長。麻煩請農業部部長備選。陳委員午安,恭喜你連任。謝謝謝謝。我也感謝陳院長。\n22318\t24559\t剛剛張家俊委員有談到公糧收購價格問題應該要上檔\n48260\t73943\t我也報告院長我現在下鄉的時候大家都在討論電價上漲電價上漲是會通膨還是通收你漲的大家沒有錢不敢弄花各種狀況會出來但是我碰到所有的農民那些朋友都跟我講叫我務必要反映公糧收購的價格要上漲\n75014\t88897\t那在上一屆我也提了好幾次好像你們都無動於衷但是啦早晚你要面臨這樣的問題所以工糧的收購計畫價格計畫收購23塊福島收購20塊宜良收購18塊6這是在100人民國100人群調整的\n101789\t119317\t那一百人以後改為二十六、二十三、二十一點六塊。那這一來的人誰調了上長?是吳敦義院長。因為陳水扁當總統的時候把這個什麼都動起來不敢上場。為了選舉耀眼什麼動就討好了。\n122396\t136876\t現在我們蔡英文總統做了發言,這個也不敢漲,連電價都不敢漲,現在整個要一起漲,這個是嚴重的問題。但是剛剛張建均有講過了,我們的回量,\n138154\t164288\t我們的農藥我們的藥苗都在漲價那其實不但你在回答說你算得很精那我到鄉下跟農民在一起的時候天天都跟我們抱怨工糧收購的價格收穫起來一家都貪不盡能放所以現在電價上漲什麼物價上漲你工糧沒有上漲的時候農民會極大的感嘆\n166468\t170058\t所謂今天跟陳院長,我看你會繼續繼續留住嗎?你現在要做什麼?\n174448\t200833\t我們未來的賴清德當總統的時候不要這個問題丟給他。 你們這一代把他收拾好一下。 所以在你追政的院長之內我希望功能能調整。 給農民安心的一個交代。 現在他們每天看電視反而都沒有收入。 晚上都睡不好覺雖然有睡覺但是都睡不好覺。\n202082\t216469\t你覺得有辦法答應,確確實實,成本真的在上漲,不管人工不管什麼,保證我問你幾個點,你現在怎麼明明...我跟委員報告齁,你剛才說的這一百年上漲了3塊以外還有2塊的一個乾燥費齁,結果我們去調查了從100年到112年,整個的農民收益並沒有實質的增加,這是第一個。\n231977\t242883\t是因為工糧只佔整個稻谷的收購的三成其他的是民糧在收購的當你工糧收購提高的時候面積擴大民糧的收購價格往下降\n245064\t264806\t所以我們現在正在規劃就是從整體的農民的收益的確保去做一個整體的規劃。您都這樣說供糧收購只有三成民間的價格比較好,那三成的不是,三成是奉公所法的,大部分都是交供糧的。我們現在在調查就是說\n267268\t280253\t國企的成本有差不多6%至10%的上漲,可是產量也提高了。本來就沒什麼賺錢,你現在又不去,你民間收購的有一點賺,賺了那一點點啦,這樣沒合理的啦,沒有合理的錢就好啦。我跟委員報告說,農業沒軍心,農民我們都外行的啦。\n287796\t305863\t我們要購買的不是稻農,我們的所有農民我們都要確保他的收入,包括稻農、包括種玉米的、種高粱的、種大豆的。 所以我們現在做整體的一個評估啦,就是確保農民收益。觀眾會員剛剛講了,這個問題確實要去研究,你不要說只有供糧收購的話占了30%,那30%的人特別照顧,所以希望你調高一點。\n315147\t316368\t委員這樣啦,因為剛才我們部長有跟張委員答應\n321343\t333391\t說讓他們去做一個更通盤的站在整體提高農民收益的這個規劃,他那也很快就會出來嘛,一各位出來,讓委員看說這樣好不好,跟大家再來扣輪啦,好不好?\n352044\t367819\t轉做農作物,你現在看這個表,11年都沒去,你應該要調整工糧,你要給他減少面積,你那個休耕轉做雜糧的時候,你把他拿到館裡,大家就不會去種,\n368760\t372443\t你要兩個數字去平衡阿,這是要靠採訪,不是你這樣去做。\n399440\t401221\t看這個表,農村發展期水土保持113年到116年\n426892\t439656\t一共有432億,那個前瞻計畫,農村再生的計畫,農田水利市有農田水利跨域整合的計畫,114年度到117年度,212億。\n445174\t460838\t我相信這是有內行的,農村再生我會摸了很久,你地方創生摸了很久,但是你國發會只有做計畫又沒有錢,你說要跟他們匡列,我這裡安若驚特別會請你來,農村再生很重要,\n464759\t481885\t地方創生也很重要,兩個要結合在一起,餅才會做到,你了解我講的意思嗎?我把一看就你們做,你們地方創生跟他去幫演會,幫幫的,喔,今天播種,一兩年就不見了。我講地方創生,我實際看到了啦,我都在執行你這計畫,所以我希望你國發會的地方,\n493208\t500210\t我跟委員報告,其實農村再生其實我們很緊密的跟國會所主導的地方是做做結合的,而且幾乎是每一季,國會主委這邊...\n518596\t522983\t委員你有需要的,你都需要,我們都會來協助啊,就是有需要的話我們都會來協助。好,這次來你國會會我特別請你起來\n531736\t545341\t我就是要講地方創生跟農村再生,因為我摸了很久我一稱二詞好不好,有做就要有幫忙起來,這樣結尾做完會久久長久有效益,這樣好不好?因為院長已經看過我們幾個地方創生案\n552064\t564718\t你們說現在新的目標把每年浪費的60%流自大海的水要流自,我覺得各位不簡單。我還不曉得你們怎麼流自。您老家水要給農民來用。\n567100\t572787\t不去提民生用水、去工業用水,這樣好不好?我不知道你這個計劃好不好?我看你們的計劃好不好?\n581957\t583338\t我如果邀請你你真的要做我以前都有拜託你們講好好\n609189\t627840\t我只是做了一兩個給我看一下。 那我們通宵裡面本來李一潭水庫要引水進來的。 他的丘陵地很多。 他的山谷嗷嗷起起服務那是最好帶水的地方。 委員如果有什麼建議我們都可以去進來接受來一起討論。 時間要沒了,謝謝你。 再來我就請我們經濟部長、國會主委\n644022\t662894\t這個問題比較大,把你們這幾個頭叫來,本來我只要請你們的副院長,今天沒有看到哪,因為大溪谷有院長在就能啦。我為什麼講苗栗縣值得更好投資,陶瓷指苗大溪谷去玩,因為我看到我問過\n664659\t692348\t我們的國安會主委的時候,你那時候很早到苗栗,去了一次是在我的地方,龍鳳漁港去減產,你說你有去。不是啊,我是跟你一起去啊,我去過很多次。 阿部長大概也去那一次,院長只有選舉的時候去了兩三次,還好沒有騙你宅死。這個大巨股計畫我很早就提了。我在110年10月6號部長的時候,我就特別提了這個。\n693362\t720448\t然後到了111人也有辦理會刊,我這個地方就是我們當時的加工機長員那個機長我請他們去陪我調查,花了一天整整一天的時間做事啦。但是今天你這個大桃子子廟大事故計畫,我一定你想看完廟了人生。\n722008\t748244\t你要曉瞭苗栗的位置是怎樣我們的投汶直攬是靠近新竹科技的前期連結在一起我們南邊的縣裡是靠近台中的科學運氣所以發展西部科技走廊苗栗縣裡要把它貫穿起來我現在看到你再來下一張你看桃園386公頃\n752202\t771059\t新竹新竹市322公頃,苗栗3個加起來290公頃,真正的要發展是我們在那一邊啦,討厭200多萬的人口,新竹縣新竹縣也滿了,新竹市也沒有地方了。\n772284\t789502\t所以我特別要求我們現在提出900公頃出來都在竹蘭科學園區的附近在新竹科學園區的附近我們這幾個地區從苗栗的竹蘭到新竹科學園區比新竹市道\n792807\t812032\t你們只看到桃園的票數比較多就擺在桃園,你要平衡,要縮短城鄉的差距,拜託啦好好照顧我們,你先不來我實在不敢回去,因為我堅持這條走廊我一定要完成。\n813582\t825530\t這一陣來啃我最後一陣,這就是我的信念,我一直在推,我對苗栗的發展非常重視,我會了解未來的發展,你這樣給我變成我都最好一名。我先跟委員回應,苗栗限購是最少的,\n834144\t861572\t沒有啦,那個科學園區150工刑是...那總統當時宣布這個大矽谷計畫是在苗栗宣布的勒,我不好意思他超虛偶的啦,人家做種種的啦。委員非常重視苗栗的發展,就像委員講的,對,我們也跟著委員去看幾個地方,那現在苗栗的問題可能一定要地方政府跟中央來合作,因為他公有的地比較少。\n862532\t879495\t所以他的第一個問題就是私有地這個怎麼解決。 我們私有地我們大概都有去了解過了。 那所以還有就是地質生態的部分要避開。 你可以看到苗栗縣中東景縣長的魄力、他的思維。 我自信他能完成。 你了解我。\n880711\t908096\t主委啊,你也稍微給我照顧一下。我講嘛,我講縣政府他現在他們盤點好以後那個地質上是民間的企業可以使用,然後在地質敏感排除到地質敏感區的話,那我們也來啟動。我會專程派你來苗栗考察一下。主委長我真的很感謝你,你後到那一次我看你每次看到我在場你都不敢亂講話,都說陳超明很無力。\n909876\t920587\t所謂民進黨不敢亂修理,我這一點特別感謝。但是我苗栗縣的發展,讓苗栗縣變得偉大,我現在把他扣一塊而已,這樣好不好?\n920587\t921989\t把我們轉到旗旗界好不好?\n935630\t943742\t謝謝陳委員超明的質詢,謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來登記第七位陳委員秀寶,質詢以書面提出。\n","txt":"我們主席韓院長好。首先有請我們行政院陳院長,農業部的陳部長。麻煩請農業部部長備選。陳委員午安,恭喜你連任。謝謝謝謝。我也感謝陳院長。\n剛剛張家俊委員有談到公糧收購價格問題應該要上檔\n我也報告院長我現在下鄉的時候大家都在討論電價上漲電價上漲是會通膨還是通收你漲的大家沒有錢不敢弄花各種狀況會出來但是我碰到所有的農民那些朋友都跟我講叫我務必要反映公糧收購的價格要上漲\n那在上一屆我也提了好幾次好像你們都無動於衷但是啦早晚你要面臨這樣的問題所以工糧的收購計畫價格計畫收購23塊福島收購20塊宜良收購18塊6這是在100人民國100人群調整的\n那一百人以後改為二十六、二十三、二十一點六塊。那這一來的人誰調了上長?是吳敦義院長。因為陳水扁當總統的時候把這個什麼都動起來不敢上場。為了選舉耀眼什麼動就討好了。\n現在我們蔡英文總統做了發言,這個也不敢漲,連電價都不敢漲,現在整個要一起漲,這個是嚴重的問題。但是剛剛張建均有講過了,我們的回量,\n我們的農藥我們的藥苗都在漲價那其實不但你在回答說你算得很精那我到鄉下跟農民在一起的時候天天都跟我們抱怨工糧收購的價格收穫起來一家都貪不盡能放所以現在電價上漲什麼物價上漲你工糧沒有上漲的時候農民會極大的感嘆\n所謂今天跟陳院長,我看你會繼續繼續留住嗎?你現在要做什麼?\n我們未來的賴清德當總統的時候不要這個問題丟給他。 你們這一代把他收拾好一下。 所以在你追政的院長之內我希望功能能調整。 給農民安心的一個交代。 現在他們每天看電視反而都沒有收入。 晚上都睡不好覺雖然有睡覺但是都睡不好覺。\n你覺得有辦法答應,確確實實,成本真的在上漲,不管人工不管什麼,保證我問你幾個點,你現在怎麼明明...我跟委員報告齁,你剛才說的這一百年上漲了3塊以外還有2塊的一個乾燥費齁,結果我們去調查了從100年到112年,整個的農民收益並沒有實質的增加,這是第一個。\n是因為工糧只佔整個稻谷的收購的三成其他的是民糧在收購的當你工糧收購提高的時候面積擴大民糧的收購價格往下降\n所以我們現在正在規劃就是從整體的農民的收益的確保去做一個整體的規劃。您都這樣說供糧收購只有三成民間的價格比較好,那三成的不是,三成是奉公所法的,大部分都是交供糧的。我們現在在調查就是說\n國企的成本有差不多6%至10%的上漲,可是產量也提高了。本來就沒什麼賺錢,你現在又不去,你民間收購的有一點賺,賺了那一點點啦,這樣沒合理的啦,沒有合理的錢就好啦。我跟委員報告說,農業沒軍心,農民我們都外行的啦。\n我們要購買的不是稻農,我們的所有農民我們都要確保他的收入,包括稻農、包括種玉米的、種高粱的、種大豆的。 所以我們現在做整體的一個評估啦,就是確保農民收益。觀眾會員剛剛講了,這個問題確實要去研究,你不要說只有供糧收購的話占了30%,那30%的人特別照顧,所以希望你調高一點。\n委員這樣啦,因為剛才我們部長有跟張委員答應\n說讓他們去做一個更通盤的站在整體提高農民收益的這個規劃,他那也很快就會出來嘛,一各位出來,讓委員看說這樣好不好,跟大家再來扣輪啦,好不好?\n轉做農作物,你現在看這個表,11年都沒去,你應該要調整工糧,你要給他減少面積,你那個休耕轉做雜糧的時候,你把他拿到館裡,大家就不會去種,\n你要兩個數字去平衡阿,這是要靠採訪,不是你這樣去做。\n看這個表,農村發展期水土保持113年到116年\n一共有432億,那個前瞻計畫,農村再生的計畫,農田水利市有農田水利跨域整合的計畫,114年度到117年度,212億。\n我相信這是有內行的,農村再生我會摸了很久,你地方創生摸了很久,但是你國發會只有做計畫又沒有錢,你說要跟他們匡列,我這裡安若驚特別會請你來,農村再生很重要,\n地方創生也很重要,兩個要結合在一起,餅才會做到,你了解我講的意思嗎?我把一看就你們做,你們地方創生跟他去幫演會,幫幫的,喔,今天播種,一兩年就不見了。我講地方創生,我實際看到了啦,我都在執行你這計畫,所以我希望你國發會的地方,\n我跟委員報告,其實農村再生其實我們很緊密的跟國會所主導的地方是做做結合的,而且幾乎是每一季,國會主委這邊...\n委員你有需要的,你都需要,我們都會來協助啊,就是有需要的話我們都會來協助。好,這次來你國會會我特別請你起來\n我就是要講地方創生跟農村再生,因為我摸了很久我一稱二詞好不好,有做就要有幫忙起來,這樣結尾做完會久久長久有效益,這樣好不好?因為院長已經看過我們幾個地方創生案\n你們說現在新的目標把每年浪費的60%流自大海的水要流自,我覺得各位不簡單。我還不曉得你們怎麼流自。您老家水要給農民來用。\n不去提民生用水、去工業用水,這樣好不好?我不知道你這個計劃好不好?我看你們的計劃好不好?\n我如果邀請你你真的要做我以前都有拜託你們講好好\n我只是做了一兩個給我看一下。 那我們通宵裡面本來李一潭水庫要引水進來的。 他的丘陵地很多。 他的山谷嗷嗷起起服務那是最好帶水的地方。 委員如果有什麼建議我們都可以去進來接受來一起討論。 時間要沒了,謝謝你。 再來我就請我們經濟部長、國會主委\n這個問題比較大,把你們這幾個頭叫來,本來我只要請你們的副院長,今天沒有看到哪,因為大溪谷有院長在就能啦。我為什麼講苗栗縣值得更好投資,陶瓷指苗大溪谷去玩,因為我看到我問過\n我們的國安會主委的時候,你那時候很早到苗栗,去了一次是在我的地方,龍鳳漁港去減產,你說你有去。不是啊,我是跟你一起去啊,我去過很多次。 阿部長大概也去那一次,院長只有選舉的時候去了兩三次,還好沒有騙你宅死。這個大巨股計畫我很早就提了。我在110年10月6號部長的時候,我就特別提了這個。\n然後到了111人也有辦理會刊,我這個地方就是我們當時的加工機長員那個機長我請他們去陪我調查,花了一天整整一天的時間做事啦。但是今天你這個大桃子子廟大事故計畫,我一定你想看完廟了人生。\n你要曉瞭苗栗的位置是怎樣我們的投汶直攬是靠近新竹科技的前期連結在一起我們南邊的縣裡是靠近台中的科學運氣所以發展西部科技走廊苗栗縣裡要把它貫穿起來我現在看到你再來下一張你看桃園386公頃\n新竹新竹市322公頃,苗栗3個加起來290公頃,真正的要發展是我們在那一邊啦,討厭200多萬的人口,新竹縣新竹縣也滿了,新竹市也沒有地方了。\n所以我特別要求我們現在提出900公頃出來都在竹蘭科學園區的附近在新竹科學園區的附近我們這幾個地區從苗栗的竹蘭到新竹科學園區比新竹市道\n你們只看到桃園的票數比較多就擺在桃園,你要平衡,要縮短城鄉的差距,拜託啦好好照顧我們,你先不來我實在不敢回去,因為我堅持這條走廊我一定要完成。\n這一陣來啃我最後一陣,這就是我的信念,我一直在推,我對苗栗的發展非常重視,我會了解未來的發展,你這樣給我變成我都最好一名。我先跟委員回應,苗栗限購是最少的,\n沒有啦,那個科學園區150工刑是...那總統當時宣布這個大矽谷計畫是在苗栗宣布的勒,我不好意思他超虛偶的啦,人家做種種的啦。委員非常重視苗栗的發展,就像委員講的,對,我們也跟著委員去看幾個地方,那現在苗栗的問題可能一定要地方政府跟中央來合作,因為他公有的地比較少。\n所以他的第一個問題就是私有地這個怎麼解決。 我們私有地我們大概都有去了解過了。 那所以還有就是地質生態的部分要避開。 你可以看到苗栗縣中東景縣長的魄力、他的思維。 我自信他能完成。 你了解我。\n主委啊,你也稍微給我照顧一下。我講嘛,我講縣政府他現在他們盤點好以後那個地質上是民間的企業可以使用,然後在地質敏感排除到地質敏感區的話,那我們也來啟動。我會專程派你來苗栗考察一下。主委長我真的很感謝你,你後到那一次我看你每次看到我在場你都不敢亂講話,都說陳超明很無力。\n所謂民進黨不敢亂修理,我這一點特別感謝。但是我苗栗縣的發展,讓苗栗縣變得偉大,我現在把他扣一塊而已,這樣好不好?\n把我們轉到旗旗界好不好?\n謝謝陳委員超明的質詢,謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來登記第七位陳委員秀寶,質詢以書面提出。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.735 --> 00:10.118\n我們主席韓院長好。首先有請我們行政院陳院長,農業部的陳部長。麻煩請農業部部長備選。陳委員午安,恭喜你連任。謝謝謝謝。我也感謝陳院長。\n\n00:22.318 --> 00:24.559\n剛剛張家俊委員有談到公糧收購價格問題應該要上檔\n\n00:48.260 --> 01:13.943\n我也報告院長我現在下鄉的時候大家都在討論電價上漲電價上漲是會通膨還是通收你漲的大家沒有錢不敢弄花各種狀況會出來但是我碰到所有的農民那些朋友都跟我講叫我務必要反映公糧收購的價格要上漲\n\n01:15.014 --> 01:28.897\n那在上一屆我也提了好幾次好像你們都無動於衷但是啦早晚你要面臨這樣的問題所以工糧的收購計畫價格計畫收購23塊福島收購20塊宜良收購18塊6這是在100人民國100人群調整的\n\n01:41.789 --> 01:59.317\n那一百人以後改為二十六、二十三、二十一點六塊。那這一來的人誰調了上長?是吳敦義院長。因為陳水扁當總統的時候把這個什麼都動起來不敢上場。為了選舉耀眼什麼動就討好了。\n\n02:02.396 --> 02:16.876\n現在我們蔡英文總統做了發言,這個也不敢漲,連電價都不敢漲,現在整個要一起漲,這個是嚴重的問題。但是剛剛張建均有講過了,我們的回量,\n\n02:18.154 --> 02:44.288\n我們的農藥我們的藥苗都在漲價那其實不但你在回答說你算得很精那我到鄉下跟農民在一起的時候天天都跟我們抱怨工糧收購的價格收穫起來一家都貪不盡能放所以現在電價上漲什麼物價上漲你工糧沒有上漲的時候農民會極大的感嘆\n\n02:46.468 --> 02:50.058\n所謂今天跟陳院長,我看你會繼續繼續留住嗎?你現在要做什麼?\n\n02:54.448 --> 03:20.833\n我們未來的賴清德當總統的時候不要這個問題丟給他。你們這一代把他收拾好一下。所以在你追政的院長之內我希望功能能調整。給農民安心的一個交代。現在他們每天看電視反而都沒有收入。晚上都睡不好覺雖然有睡覺但是都睡不好覺。\n\n03:22.082 --> 03:36.469\n你覺得有辦法答應,確確實實,成本真的在上漲,不管人工不管什麼,保證我問你幾個點,你現在怎麼明明...我跟委員報告齁,你剛才說的這一百年上漲了3塊以外還有2塊的一個乾燥費齁,結果我們去調查了從100年到112年,整個的農民收益並沒有實質的增加,這是第一個。\n\n03:51.977 --> 04:02.883\n是因為工糧只佔整個稻谷的收購的三成其他的是民糧在收購的當你工糧收購提高的時候面積擴大民糧的收購價格往下降\n\n04:05.064 --> 04:24.806\n所以我們現在正在規劃就是從整體的農民的收益的確保去做一個整體的規劃。您都這樣說供糧收購只有三成民間的價格比較好,那三成的不是,三成是奉公所法的,大部分都是交供糧的。我們現在在調查就是說\n\n04:27.268 --> 04:40.253\n國企的成本有差不多6%至10%的上漲,可是產量也提高了。本來就沒什麼賺錢,你現在又不去,你民間收購的有一點賺,賺了那一點點啦,這樣沒合理的啦,沒有合理的錢就好啦。我跟委員報告說,農業沒軍心,農民我們都外行的啦。\n\n04:47.796 --> 05:05.863\n我們要購買的不是稻農,我們的所有農民我們都要確保他的收入,包括稻農、包括種玉米的、種高粱的、種大豆的。所以我們現在做整體的一個評估啦,就是確保農民收益。觀眾會員剛剛講了,這個問題確實要去研究,你不要說只有供糧收購的話占了30%,那30%的人特別照顧,所以希望你調高一點。\n\n05:15.147 --> 05:16.368\n委員這樣啦,因為剛才我們部長有跟張委員答應\n\n05:21.343 --> 05:33.391\n說讓他們去做一個更通盤的站在整體提高農民收益的這個規劃,他那也很快就會出來嘛,一各位出來,讓委員看說這樣好不好,跟大家再來扣輪啦,好不好?\n\n05:52.044 --> 06:07.819\n轉做農作物,你現在看這個表,11年都沒去,你應該要調整工糧,你要給他減少面積,你那個休耕轉做雜糧的時候,你把他拿到館裡,大家就不會去種,\n\n06:08.760 --> 06:12.443\n你要兩個數字去平衡阿,這是要靠採訪,不是你這樣去做。\n\n06:39.440 --> 06:41.221\n看這個表,農村發展期水土保持113年到116年\n\n07:06.892 --> 07:19.656\n一共有432億,那個前瞻計畫,農村再生的計畫,農田水利市有農田水利跨域整合的計畫,114年度到117年度,212億。\n\n07:25.174 --> 07:40.838\n我相信這是有內行的,農村再生我會摸了很久,你地方創生摸了很久,但是你國發會只有做計畫又沒有錢,你說要跟他們匡列,我這裡安若驚特別會請你來,農村再生很重要,\n\n07:44.759 --> 08:01.885\n地方創生也很重要,兩個要結合在一起,餅才會做到,你了解我講的意思嗎?我把一看就你們做,你們地方創生跟他去幫演會,幫幫的,喔,今天播種,一兩年就不見了。我講地方創生,我實際看到了啦,我都在執行你這計畫,所以我希望你國發會的地方,\n\n08:13.208 --> 08:20.210\n我跟委員報告,其實農村再生其實我們很緊密的跟國會所主導的地方是做做結合的,而且幾乎是每一季,國會主委這邊...\n\n08:38.596 --> 08:42.983\n委員你有需要的,你都需要,我們都會來協助啊,就是有需要的話我們都會來協助。好,這次來你國會會我特別請你起來\n\n08:51.736 --> 09:05.341\n我就是要講地方創生跟農村再生,因為我摸了很久我一稱二詞好不好,有做就要有幫忙起來,這樣結尾做完會久久長久有效益,這樣好不好?因為院長已經看過我們幾個地方創生案\n\n09:12.064 --> 09:24.718\n你們說現在新的目標把每年浪費的60%流自大海的水要流自,我覺得各位不簡單。我還不曉得你們怎麼流自。您老家水要給農民來用。\n\n09:27.100 --> 09:32.787\n不去提民生用水、去工業用水,這樣好不好?我不知道你這個計劃好不好?我看你們的計劃好不好?\n\n09:41.957 --> 09:43.338\n我如果邀請你你真的要做我以前都有拜託你們講好好\n\n10:09.189 --> 10:27.840\n我只是做了一兩個給我看一下。那我們通宵裡面本來李一潭水庫要引水進來的。他的丘陵地很多。他的山谷嗷嗷起起服務那是最好帶水的地方。委員如果有什麼建議我們都可以去進來接受來一起討論。時間要沒了,謝謝你。再來我就請我們經濟部長、國會主委\n\n10:44.022 --> 11:02.894\n這個問題比較大,把你們這幾個頭叫來,本來我只要請你們的副院長,今天沒有看到哪,因為大溪谷有院長在就能啦。我為什麼講苗栗縣值得更好投資,陶瓷指苗大溪谷去玩,因為我看到我問過\n\n11:04.659 --> 11:32.348\n我們的國安會主委的時候,你那時候很早到苗栗,去了一次是在我的地方,龍鳳漁港去減產,你說你有去。不是啊,我是跟你一起去啊,我去過很多次。阿部長大概也去那一次,院長只有選舉的時候去了兩三次,還好沒有騙你宅死。這個大巨股計畫我很早就提了。我在110年10月6號部長的時候,我就特別提了這個。\n\n11:33.362 --> 12:00.448\n然後到了111人也有辦理會刊,我這個地方就是我們當時的加工機長員那個機長我請他們去陪我調查,花了一天整整一天的時間做事啦。但是今天你這個大桃子子廟大事故計畫,我一定你想看完廟了人生。\n\n12:02.008 --> 12:28.244\n你要曉瞭苗栗的位置是怎樣我們的投汶直攬是靠近新竹科技的前期連結在一起我們南邊的縣裡是靠近台中的科學運氣所以發展西部科技走廊苗栗縣裡要把它貫穿起來我現在看到你再來下一張你看桃園386公頃\n\n12:32.202 --> 12:51.059\n新竹新竹市322公頃,苗栗3個加起來290公頃,真正的要發展是我們在那一邊啦,討厭200多萬的人口,新竹縣新竹縣也滿了,新竹市也沒有地方了。\n\n12:52.284 --> 13:09.502\n所以我特別要求我們現在提出900公頃出來都在竹蘭科學園區的附近在新竹科學園區的附近我們這幾個地區從苗栗的竹蘭到新竹科學園區比新竹市道\n\n13:12.807 --> 13:32.032\n你們只看到桃園的票數比較多就擺在桃園,你要平衡,要縮短城鄉的差距,拜託啦好好照顧我們,你先不來我實在不敢回去,因為我堅持這條走廊我一定要完成。\n\n13:33.582 --> 13:45.530\n這一陣來啃我最後一陣,這就是我的信念,我一直在推,我對苗栗的發展非常重視,我會了解未來的發展,你這樣給我變成我都最好一名。我先跟委員回應,苗栗限購是最少的,\n\n13:54.144 --> 14:21.572\n沒有啦,那個科學園區150工刑是...那總統當時宣布這個大矽谷計畫是在苗栗宣布的勒,我不好意思他超虛偶的啦,人家做種種的啦。委員非常重視苗栗的發展,就像委員講的,對,我們也跟著委員去看幾個地方,那現在苗栗的問題可能一定要地方政府跟中央來合作,因為他公有的地比較少。\n\n14:22.532 --> 14:39.495\n所以他的第一個問題就是私有地這個怎麼解決。我們私有地我們大概都有去了解過了。那所以還有就是地質生態的部分要避開。你可以看到苗栗縣中東景縣長的魄力、他的思維。我自信他能完成。你了解我。\n\n14:40.711 --> 15:08.096\n主委啊,你也稍微給我照顧一下。我講嘛,我講縣政府他現在他們盤點好以後那個地質上是民間的企業可以使用,然後在地質敏感排除到地質敏感區的話,那我們也來啟動。我會專程派你來苗栗考察一下。主委長我真的很感謝你,你後到那一次我看你每次看到我在場你都不敢亂講話,都說陳超明很無力。\n\n15:09.876 --> 15:20.587\n所謂民進黨不敢亂修理,我這一點特別感謝。但是我苗栗縣的發展,讓苗栗縣變得偉大,我現在把他扣一塊而已,這樣好不好?\n\n15:20.587 --> 15:21.989\n把我們轉到旗旗界好不好?\n\n15:35.630 --> 15:43.742\n謝謝陳委員超明的質詢,謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來登記第七位陳委員秀寶,質詢以書面提出。\n\n","segments":[{"start":2.735,"end":10.118,"text":"我們主席韓院長好。首先有請我們行政院陳院長,農業部的陳部長。麻煩請農業部部長備選。陳委員午安,恭喜你連任。謝謝謝謝。我也感謝陳院長。"},{"start":22.318,"end":24.559,"text":"剛剛張家俊委員有談到公糧收購價格問題應該要上檔"},{"start":48.26,"end":73.943,"text":"我也報告院長我現在下鄉的時候大家都在討論電價上漲電價上漲是會通膨還是通收你漲的大家沒有錢不敢弄花各種狀況會出來但是我碰到所有的農民那些朋友都跟我講叫我務必要反映公糧收購的價格要上漲"},{"start":75.014,"end":88.897,"text":"那在上一屆我也提了好幾次好像你們都無動於衷但是啦早晚你要面臨這樣的問題所以工糧的收購計畫價格計畫收購23塊福島收購20塊宜良收購18塊6這是在100人民國100人群調整的"},{"start":101.789,"end":119.317,"text":"那一百人以後改為二十六、二十三、二十一點六塊。那這一來的人誰調了上長?是吳敦義院長。因為陳水扁當總統的時候把這個什麼都動起來不敢上場。為了選舉耀眼什麼動就討好了。"},{"start":122.396,"end":136.876,"text":"現在我們蔡英文總統做了發言,這個也不敢漲,連電價都不敢漲,現在整個要一起漲,這個是嚴重的問題。但是剛剛張建均有講過了,我們的回量,"},{"start":138.154,"end":164.288,"text":"我們的農藥我們的藥苗都在漲價那其實不但你在回答說你算得很精那我到鄉下跟農民在一起的時候天天都跟我們抱怨工糧收購的價格收穫起來一家都貪不盡能放所以現在電價上漲什麼物價上漲你工糧沒有上漲的時候農民會極大的感嘆"},{"start":166.468,"end":170.058,"text":"所謂今天跟陳院長,我看你會繼續繼續留住嗎?你現在要做什麼?"},{"start":174.448,"end":200.833,"text":"我們未來的賴清德當總統的時候不要這個問題丟給他。 你們這一代把他收拾好一下。 所以在你追政的院長之內我希望功能能調整。 給農民安心的一個交代。 現在他們每天看電視反而都沒有收入。 晚上都睡不好覺雖然有睡覺但是都睡不好覺。"},{"start":202.082,"end":216.469,"text":"你覺得有辦法答應,確確實實,成本真的在上漲,不管人工不管什麼,保證我問你幾個點,你現在怎麼明明...我跟委員報告齁,你剛才說的這一百年上漲了3塊以外還有2塊的一個乾燥費齁,結果我們去調查了從100年到112年,整個的農民收益並沒有實質的增加,這是第一個。"},{"start":231.977,"end":242.883,"text":"是因為工糧只佔整個稻谷的收購的三成其他的是民糧在收購的當你工糧收購提高的時候面積擴大民糧的收購價格往下降"},{"start":245.064,"end":264.806,"text":"所以我們現在正在規劃就是從整體的農民的收益的確保去做一個整體的規劃。您都這樣說供糧收購只有三成民間的價格比較好,那三成的不是,三成是奉公所法的,大部分都是交供糧的。我們現在在調查就是說"},{"start":267.268,"end":280.253,"text":"國企的成本有差不多6%至10%的上漲,可是產量也提高了。本來就沒什麼賺錢,你現在又不去,你民間收購的有一點賺,賺了那一點點啦,這樣沒合理的啦,沒有合理的錢就好啦。我跟委員報告說,農業沒軍心,農民我們都外行的啦。"},{"start":287.796,"end":305.863,"text":"我們要購買的不是稻農,我們的所有農民我們都要確保他的收入,包括稻農、包括種玉米的、種高粱的、種大豆的。 所以我們現在做整體的一個評估啦,就是確保農民收益。觀眾會員剛剛講了,這個問題確實要去研究,你不要說只有供糧收購的話占了30%,那30%的人特別照顧,所以希望你調高一點。"},{"start":315.147,"end":316.368,"text":"委員這樣啦,因為剛才我們部長有跟張委員答應"},{"start":321.343,"end":333.391,"text":"說讓他們去做一個更通盤的站在整體提高農民收益的這個規劃,他那也很快就會出來嘛,一各位出來,讓委員看說這樣好不好,跟大家再來扣輪啦,好不好?"},{"start":352.044,"end":367.819,"text":"轉做農作物,你現在看這個表,11年都沒去,你應該要調整工糧,你要給他減少面積,你那個休耕轉做雜糧的時候,你把他拿到館裡,大家就不會去種,"},{"start":368.76,"end":372.443,"text":"你要兩個數字去平衡阿,這是要靠採訪,不是你這樣去做。"},{"start":399.44,"end":401.221,"text":"看這個表,農村發展期水土保持113年到116年"},{"start":426.892,"end":439.656,"text":"一共有432億,那個前瞻計畫,農村再生的計畫,農田水利市有農田水利跨域整合的計畫,114年度到117年度,212億。"},{"start":445.174,"end":460.838,"text":"我相信這是有內行的,農村再生我會摸了很久,你地方創生摸了很久,但是你國發會只有做計畫又沒有錢,你說要跟他們匡列,我這裡安若驚特別會請你來,農村再生很重要,"},{"start":464.759,"end":481.885,"text":"地方創生也很重要,兩個要結合在一起,餅才會做到,你了解我講的意思嗎?我把一看就你們做,你們地方創生跟他去幫演會,幫幫的,喔,今天播種,一兩年就不見了。我講地方創生,我實際看到了啦,我都在執行你這計畫,所以我希望你國發會的地方,"},{"start":493.208,"end":500.21,"text":"我跟委員報告,其實農村再生其實我們很緊密的跟國會所主導的地方是做做結合的,而且幾乎是每一季,國會主委這邊..."},{"start":518.596,"end":522.983,"text":"委員你有需要的,你都需要,我們都會來協助啊,就是有需要的話我們都會來協助。好,這次來你國會會我特別請你起來"},{"start":531.736,"end":545.341,"text":"我就是要講地方創生跟農村再生,因為我摸了很久我一稱二詞好不好,有做就要有幫忙起來,這樣結尾做完會久久長久有效益,這樣好不好?因為院長已經看過我們幾個地方創生案"},{"start":552.064,"end":564.718,"text":"你們說現在新的目標把每年浪費的60%流自大海的水要流自,我覺得各位不簡單。我還不曉得你們怎麼流自。您老家水要給農民來用。"},{"start":567.1,"end":572.787,"text":"不去提民生用水、去工業用水,這樣好不好?我不知道你這個計劃好不好?我看你們的計劃好不好?"},{"start":581.957,"end":583.338,"text":"我如果邀請你你真的要做我以前都有拜託你們講好好"},{"start":609.189,"end":627.84,"text":"我只是做了一兩個給我看一下。 那我們通宵裡面本來李一潭水庫要引水進來的。 他的丘陵地很多。 他的山谷嗷嗷起起服務那是最好帶水的地方。 委員如果有什麼建議我們都可以去進來接受來一起討論。 時間要沒了,謝謝你。 再來我就請我們經濟部長、國會主委"},{"start":644.022,"end":662.894,"text":"這個問題比較大,把你們這幾個頭叫來,本來我只要請你們的副院長,今天沒有看到哪,因為大溪谷有院長在就能啦。我為什麼講苗栗縣值得更好投資,陶瓷指苗大溪谷去玩,因為我看到我問過"},{"start":664.659,"end":692.348,"text":"我們的國安會主委的時候,你那時候很早到苗栗,去了一次是在我的地方,龍鳳漁港去減產,你說你有去。不是啊,我是跟你一起去啊,我去過很多次。 阿部長大概也去那一次,院長只有選舉的時候去了兩三次,還好沒有騙你宅死。這個大巨股計畫我很早就提了。我在110年10月6號部長的時候,我就特別提了這個。"},{"start":693.362,"end":720.448,"text":"然後到了111人也有辦理會刊,我這個地方就是我們當時的加工機長員那個機長我請他們去陪我調查,花了一天整整一天的時間做事啦。但是今天你這個大桃子子廟大事故計畫,我一定你想看完廟了人生。"},{"start":722.008,"end":748.244,"text":"你要曉瞭苗栗的位置是怎樣我們的投汶直攬是靠近新竹科技的前期連結在一起我們南邊的縣裡是靠近台中的科學運氣所以發展西部科技走廊苗栗縣裡要把它貫穿起來我現在看到你再來下一張你看桃園386公頃"},{"start":752.202,"end":771.059,"text":"新竹新竹市322公頃,苗栗3個加起來290公頃,真正的要發展是我們在那一邊啦,討厭200多萬的人口,新竹縣新竹縣也滿了,新竹市也沒有地方了。"},{"start":772.284,"end":789.502,"text":"所以我特別要求我們現在提出900公頃出來都在竹蘭科學園區的附近在新竹科學園區的附近我們這幾個地區從苗栗的竹蘭到新竹科學園區比新竹市道"},{"start":792.807,"end":812.032,"text":"你們只看到桃園的票數比較多就擺在桃園,你要平衡,要縮短城鄉的差距,拜託啦好好照顧我們,你先不來我實在不敢回去,因為我堅持這條走廊我一定要完成。"},{"start":813.582,"end":825.53,"text":"這一陣來啃我最後一陣,這就是我的信念,我一直在推,我對苗栗的發展非常重視,我會了解未來的發展,你這樣給我變成我都最好一名。我先跟委員回應,苗栗限購是最少的,"},{"start":834.144,"end":861.572,"text":"沒有啦,那個科學園區150工刑是...那總統當時宣布這個大矽谷計畫是在苗栗宣布的勒,我不好意思他超虛偶的啦,人家做種種的啦。委員非常重視苗栗的發展,就像委員講的,對,我們也跟著委員去看幾個地方,那現在苗栗的問題可能一定要地方政府跟中央來合作,因為他公有的地比較少。"},{"start":862.532,"end":879.495,"text":"所以他的第一個問題就是私有地這個怎麼解決。 我們私有地我們大概都有去了解過了。 那所以還有就是地質生態的部分要避開。 你可以看到苗栗縣中東景縣長的魄力、他的思維。 我自信他能完成。 你了解我。"},{"start":880.711,"end":908.096,"text":"主委啊,你也稍微給我照顧一下。我講嘛,我講縣政府他現在他們盤點好以後那個地質上是民間的企業可以使用,然後在地質敏感排除到地質敏感區的話,那我們也來啟動。我會專程派你來苗栗考察一下。主委長我真的很感謝你,你後到那一次我看你每次看到我在場你都不敢亂講話,都說陳超明很無力。"},{"start":909.876,"end":920.587,"text":"所謂民進黨不敢亂修理,我這一點特別感謝。但是我苗栗縣的發展,讓苗栗縣變得偉大,我現在把他扣一塊而已,這樣好不好?"},{"start":920.587,"end":921.989,"text":"把我們轉到旗旗界好不好?"},{"start":935.63,"end":943.742,"text":"謝謝陳委員超明的質詢,謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來登記第七位陳委員秀寶,質詢以書面提出。"}]}}}}