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00:02:34,403\n這個火黃�帶當中既然是地熱發達火黃帶當中那一定是火山一定是這個很發達的一個地段所以它一定是多地震、地質破碎也導致我地下熱的水源涵養就困難雖然我們有這個海洋流的一個這樣的地主這樣的優良條件但是有黑潮那它一定是有海溝的地形水下工程難度就會劇增了\n\n8\n00:02:47,347 --> 00:03:11,436\n好,我電力發電的風險管理好,縱觀過去經濟部只要管一家公司就好叫做台電那只要管這家台電呢他就可以掌握全國的電力而先前又是大電廠的架構火力、核能、水力等電廠均由台電現場人員即使掌握狀態甚至可以緊急備用料件來替代好\n\n9\n00:03:13,356 --> 00:03:38,014\n對業自由化之後我們民間的綠燃電廠的地位等同台電好那你覺得民間電廠為了講求最佳化他都是委託建設甚至委託營運您覺得部長他會像台電一樣有緊急的現場人員去掌握狀況會有緊急的備用料件來支援現場的這個所\n\n10\n00:03:39,735 --> 00:03:49,877\n因為地理或大氣環境所衍生的電力設備故障嗎?好在去年有這樣的新聞李岸一期這個故障頻繁\n\n11\n00:03:51,588 --> 00:04:00,230\n這個故障還打3分之1但說到這一點我這個本席就要替臺電同仁報不平在臺電的再生人員柱一共才200人他管什麼再生人員而已所以地熱、風力發電、太陽能這個全部他都管就200位甚至本席了解連一個主任都要去爬電桿\n\n12\n00:04:19,893 --> 00:04:38,620\n你看能源多麼吃緊。好,這麼所以也要請部長這邊瞭解多大面積的風產有多少種的發電設備要養護光是我出海一趟搭船來回所需的時間造成養護量能的巨大限制一艘工作船出海啊只能養護一座風塔\n\n13\n00:04:40,521 --> 00:04:43,603\n民營風場是佔大多數,其修復工作量必然更大於台電的維護養護需求。\n\n14\n00:04:59,955 --> 00:05:05,660\n本席認為綠能要永續在你的簡報當中你就講到說我怎麼樣的發電供應量來足好但是但你沒有永續綠能沒有循環綠能沒有合理使用你就不可能有這樣的穩定像你現在所呈現的數字了所以呢本席認為綠能政策要科學化的建立\n\n15\n00:05:23,456 --> 00:05:47,422\n科學管理分散式的電業的必要性什麼叫做科學管理?我針對幾項幾點。第一個,要求民營電廠具備互援修復的量能不能僅靠它發電才有收入的邏輯這是現況政府因強化監理民間業者的設備妥善率連我們私人的汽車\n\n16\n00:05:48,862 --> 00:06:10,048\n資源的棄爭我們交通部都要求我們都要驗車了更何況重大的人員設施政府請人事身事外第二個綠能場域通過環評之後的環境生態不能放任業者自行管理經濟部應該主動的承擔建設後面的環境資料收集責任及系統化的管理\n\n17\n00:06:10,968 --> 00:06:32,537\n我們都會要求業者這些綠電的業者他們會通報定期通報半年一次通報環境部的檢疫環境影響資訊本期要求針對這些業者同步提報給經濟部你們才好去做後續的收集甚至系統化的分析跟管理\n\n18\n00:06:33,797 --> 00:06:43,541\n而且呢我這還不包括所以我在這邊請你們研議一定要一定比例的綠電場域是以免環評的有環評的他一定會送環境部免環評的是沒有的免環評的這個綠電場應該納入政府的環境衝擊的監控好針對這個生態是如此那針對氣候呢\n\n19\n00:06:58,294 --> 00:07:02,257\n我就舉經管會。經管會自112年起去年還要求本國銀行每年6月底前辦理前一年度的氣候風險的相關財務揭露而綠電非常大比例是以農資我相信這個部長你比我更清楚與其說我們支持系統商不如是支持這個風電系統商的財務規劃我想這句話才是重點\n\n20\n00:07:25,134 --> 00:07:28,955\n所以他的財務規劃金管會都要求說你氣候風險的財務規劃要揭露那你本身你的經濟部你對於氣候相關的管理是不是也應該要比照金管會的要求呢我這個綠電也好太陽能也好我的五級三級的地震我五級七級的颱風\n\n21\n00:07:47,742 --> 00:08:08,648\n所在造成氣候所影響的這個風場你要有多少的量能力我有多少的預備配料都要準備啊那你怎麼知道要準備多少配料你怎麼知道多少能力當然靠的就是科學管理長期的追蹤啊3年5年後的分析要求電廠民營電廠也要做這樣的準備啊否則你的綠電到時候就變成廢鐵了\n\n22\n00:08:14,639 --> 00:08:31,892\n好就是後續這當中只能夠一直能夠保持你現在所跟大家報告的這樣的量能啊好綠能政策在科學化的建立當中反觀我再講一次人原屬直接是規劃管理綠能的產業並卻沒有針對綠能氣候風險有生態風險的管理氣候風險的管理在電業自由化後與國家電力穩定供應進行監控人原屬不能只有管發多少電\n\n23\n00:08:44,782 --> 00:08:50,325\n更重要的是穩定發電的供給與調控這個是本席的重點因為以前這個電力調控只要由台電來扮演管理者就好但是綠能發電的電業自由化之後能源署當然得承擔起綠能場域的微氣象資料屬於國家關鍵的戰略資訊這句話很重要\n\n24\n00:09:10,155 --> 00:09:24,833\n為綠能場域的為氣候的資料是屬於國家關鍵的戰略資訊只有持續的建立綠能場域的資料收集才能檢討修正我的綠能政策進行科學化的數據來支持國家綠能永續的發展\n\n25\n00:09:27,316 --> 00:09:33,319\n總結面對國際碳排的近鄰趨勢產業為製造出口導向的臺灣綠能是不可不為的方向這也是要替我們民進黨執政黨來講為什麼強力的發展這個綠能發電本身也深以為榮但是我覺得我們還是要很審慎的對後續在穩定供電跟調控上\n\n26\n00:09:52,529 --> 00:09:54,130\n提供其經營綠電場域的再生能源養護、修復能力\n\n27\n00:10:12,842 --> 00:10:18,125\n材料量能及環境監管的資料規劃．並請經濟部．額外補助台電新增能力的所需經費．以作為規範民營電廠養父設備的依據．\n\n28\n00:10:29,150 --> 00:10:33,414\n第二,臺電總而言之就是臺電做示範他目前的電廠怎麼的營運狀況請他們提出一個規劃案來請進而我經濟部能源能源署建立民營電廠防護及復原的規範\n\n29\n00:10:44,805 --> 00:10:53,172\n以降低人為及氣候造成國家電力供應的危機：也請經濟部能源署：我也請臺電建立各型綠能氣象風險與環境資訊監管的機制：也以此依據你能源署建立起國中央級的綠能環境管理的機制：以利要求民營電廠參照臺電的永續經營跟穩定供電部長你怎麼看呢\n\n30\n00:11:14,198 --> 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委員好本期針對再生人員的後續除了建制之後後續的維運來做討論極端氣候下建立國家綠能穩定供應的機制那在靈牌的能源建成主力綠電也成為關鍵能源在你的簡報當中也提到去年在COP28\n30127\t30307\t主席\n47472\t65662\t阿戰爭後續可能形成的石油供應若沒有綠能的規劃能源的供應勢必困難好我國再生能源的裝置能量去確實是有大幅的成長在111年10月底不管是在太陽能光電風力到水力地了\n66775\t89717\t目前本席所知道的我們再生能源也達發電佔比的9%了好那台灣確實擁有好的綠能的地理條件我們有最佳的風潮在這個台灣海峽我們有在太平洋西岸這個黑潮流量的流速都很好以及我們在亞熱帶當中的日照充足以及在環太平洋的火環\n90478\t90858\t新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n108123\t113166\t所以這跟我後續的主張會有關係直觀來看我國各型的綠能軍面對不同的問題我們說有在台灣有好的這個風場但是呢夏季多颱風風機大型化下我們狹狹的空域如何兼顧民航軍機飛安與能源安全太陽能光電雖然我們在亞熱帶但是地狹人稠如何合理利用的有限國土資源我們雖然在這個\n138098\t154403\t這個火黃�帶當中既然是地熱發達火黃帶當中那一定是火山一定是這個很發達的一個地段所以它一定是多地震、地質破碎也導致我地下熱的水源涵養就困難雖然我們有這個海洋流的一個這樣的地主這樣的優良條件但是有黑潮那它一定是有海溝的地形水下工程難度就會劇增了\n167347\t191436\t好,我電力發電的風險管理好,縱觀過去經濟部只要管一家公司就好叫做台電那只要管這家台電呢他就可以掌握全國的電力而先前又是大電廠的架構火力、核能、水力等電廠均由台電現場人員即使掌握狀態甚至可以緊急備用料件來替代好\n193356\t218014\t對業自由化之後我們民間的綠燃電廠的地位等同台電好那你覺得民間電廠為了講求最佳化他都是委託建設甚至委託營運您覺得部長他會像台電一樣有緊急的現場人員去掌握狀況會有緊急的備用料件來支援現場的這個所\n219735\t229877\t因為地理或大氣環境所衍生的電力設備故障嗎?好在去年有這樣的新聞李岸一期這個故障頻繁\n231588\t240230\t這個故障還打3分之1但說到這一點我這個本席就要替臺電同仁報不平在臺電的再生人員柱一共才200人他管什麼再生人員而已所以地熱、風力發電、太陽能這個全部他都管就200位甚至本席了解連一個主任都要去爬電桿\n259893\t278620\t你看能源多麼吃緊。好,這麼所以也要請部長這邊瞭解多大面積的風產有多少種的發電設備要養護光是我出海一趟搭船來回所需的時間造成養護量能的巨大限制一艘工作船出海啊只能養護一座風塔\n280521\t283603\t民營風場是佔大多數,其修復工作量必然更大於台電的維護養護需求。\n299955\t305660\t本席認為綠能要永續在你的簡報當中你就講到說我怎麼樣的發電供應量來足好但是但你沒有永續綠能沒有循環綠能沒有合理使用你就不可能有這樣的穩定像你現在所呈現的數字了所以呢本席認為綠能政策要科學化的建立\n323456\t347422\t科學管理分散式的電業的必要性什麼叫做科學管理?我針對幾項幾點。第一個,要求民營電廠具備互援修復的量能不能僅靠它發電才有收入的邏輯這是現況政府因強化監理民間業者的設備妥善率連我們私人的汽車\n348862\t370048\t資源的棄爭我們交通部都要求我們都要驗車了更何況重大的人員設施政府請人事身事外第二個綠能場域通過環評之後的環境生態不能放任業者自行管理經濟部應該主動的承擔建設後面的環境資料收集責任及系統化的管理\n370968\t392537\t我們都會要求業者這些綠電的業者他們會通報定期通報半年一次通報環境部的檢疫環境影響資訊本期要求針對這些業者同步提報給經濟部你們才好去做後續的收集甚至系統化的分析跟管理\n393797\t403541\t而且呢我這還不包括所以我在這邊請你們研議一定要一定比例的綠電場域是以免環評的有環評的他一定會送環境部免環評的是沒有的免環評的這個綠電場應該納入政府的環境衝擊的監控好針對這個生態是如此那針對氣候呢\n418294\t422257\t我就舉經管會。經管會自112年起去年還要求本國銀行每年6月底前辦理前一年度的氣候風險的相關財務揭露而綠電非常大比例是以農資我相信這個部長你比我更清楚與其說我們支持系統商不如是支持這個風電系統商的財務規劃我想這句話才是重點\n445134\t448955\t所以他的財務規劃金管會都要求說你氣候風險的財務規劃要揭露那你本身你的經濟部你對於氣候相關的管理是不是也應該要比照金管會的要求呢我這個綠電也好太陽能也好我的五級三級的地震我五級七級的颱風\n467742\t488648\t所在造成氣候所影響的這個風場你要有多少的量能力 我有多少的預備配料都要準備啊那你怎麼知道要準備多少配料 你怎麼知道多少能力當然靠的就是科學管理長期的追蹤啊 3年5年後的分析要求電廠民營電廠也要做這樣的準備啊 否則你的綠電到時候就變成廢鐵了\n494639\t511892\t好就是後續這當中只能夠一直能夠保持你現在所跟大家報告的這樣的量能啊好綠能政策在科學化的建立當中反觀我再講一次人原屬直接是規劃管理綠能的產業並卻沒有針對綠能氣候風險有生態風險的管理氣候風險的管理在電業自由化後與國家電力穩定供應進行監控人原屬不能只有管發多少電\n524782\t530325\t更重要的是穩定發電的供給與調控這個是本席的重點因為以前這個電力調控只要由台電來扮演管理者就好但是綠能發電的電業自由化之後能源署當然得承擔起綠能場域的微氣象資料屬於國家關鍵的戰略資訊這句話很重要\n550155\t564833\t為綠能場域的為氣候的資料是屬於國家關鍵的戰略資訊只有持續的建立綠能場域的資料收集才能檢討修正我的綠能政策進行科學化的數據來支持國家綠能永續的發展\n567316\t573319\t總結面對國際碳排的近鄰趨勢產業為製造出口導向的臺灣綠能是不可不為的方向這也是要替我們民進黨執政黨來講為什麼強力的發展這個綠能發電本身也深以為榮但是我覺得我們還是要很審慎的對後續在穩定供電跟調控上\n592529\t594130\t提供其經營綠電場域的再生能源養護、修復能力\n612842\t618125\t材料量能及環境監管的資料規劃．並請經濟部．額外補助台電新增能力的所需經費．以作為規範民營電廠養父設備的依據．\n629150\t633414\t第二,臺電總而言之就是臺電做示範他目前的電廠怎麼的營運狀況請他們提出一個規劃案來請進而我經濟部能源能源署建立民營電廠防護及復原的規範\n644805\t653172\t以降低人為及氣候造成國家電力供應的危機：也請經濟部能源署：我也請臺電建立各型綠能氣象風險與環境資訊監管的機制：也以此依據你能源署建立起國中央級的綠能環境管理的機制：以利要求民營電廠參照臺電的永續經營跟穩定供電部長你怎麼看呢\n674198\t675258\t邱益穎委員請作詢答\n","txt":"請部長王部長好 委員好本期針對再生人員的後續除了建制之後後續的維運來做討論極端氣候下建立國家綠能穩定供應的機制那在靈牌的能源建成主力綠電也成為關鍵能源在你的簡報當中也提到去年在COP28\n主席\n阿戰爭後續可能形成的石油供應若沒有綠能的規劃能源的供應勢必困難好我國再生能源的裝置能量去確實是有大幅的成長在111年10月底不管是在太陽能光電風力到水力地了\n目前本席所知道的我們再生能源也達發電佔比的9%了好那台灣確實擁有好的綠能的地理條件我們有最佳的風潮在這個台灣海峽我們有在太平洋西岸這個黑潮流量的流速都很好以及我們在亞熱帶當中的日照充足以及在環太平洋的火環\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n所以這跟我後續的主張會有關係直觀來看我國各型的綠能軍面對不同的問題我們說有在台灣有好的這個風場但是呢夏季多颱風風機大型化下我們狹狹的空域如何兼顧民航軍機飛安與能源安全太陽能光電雖然我們在亞熱帶但是地狹人稠如何合理利用的有限國土資源我們雖然在這個\n這個火黃�帶當中既然是地熱發達火黃帶當中那一定是火山一定是這個很發達的一個地段所以它一定是多地震、地質破碎也導致我地下熱的水源涵養就困難雖然我們有這個海洋流的一個這樣的地主這樣的優良條件但是有黑潮那它一定是有海溝的地形水下工程難度就會劇增了\n好,我電力發電的風險管理好,縱觀過去經濟部只要管一家公司就好叫做台電那只要管這家台電呢他就可以掌握全國的電力而先前又是大電廠的架構火力、核能、水力等電廠均由台電現場人員即使掌握狀態甚至可以緊急備用料件來替代好\n對業自由化之後我們民間的綠燃電廠的地位等同台電好那你覺得民間電廠為了講求最佳化他都是委託建設甚至委託營運您覺得部長他會像台電一樣有緊急的現場人員去掌握狀況會有緊急的備用料件來支援現場的這個所\n因為地理或大氣環境所衍生的電力設備故障嗎?好在去年有這樣的新聞李岸一期這個故障頻繁\n這個故障還打3分之1但說到這一點我這個本席就要替臺電同仁報不平在臺電的再生人員柱一共才200人他管什麼再生人員而已所以地熱、風力發電、太陽能這個全部他都管就200位甚至本席了解連一個主任都要去爬電桿\n你看能源多麼吃緊。好,這麼所以也要請部長這邊瞭解多大面積的風產有多少種的發電設備要養護光是我出海一趟搭船來回所需的時間造成養護量能的巨大限制一艘工作船出海啊只能養護一座風塔\n民營風場是佔大多數,其修復工作量必然更大於台電的維護養護需求。\n本席認為綠能要永續在你的簡報當中你就講到說我怎麼樣的發電供應量來足好但是但你沒有永續綠能沒有循環綠能沒有合理使用你就不可能有這樣的穩定像你現在所呈現的數字了所以呢本席認為綠能政策要科學化的建立\n科學管理分散式的電業的必要性什麼叫做科學管理?我針對幾項幾點。第一個,要求民營電廠具備互援修復的量能不能僅靠它發電才有收入的邏輯這是現況政府因強化監理民間業者的設備妥善率連我們私人的汽車\n資源的棄爭我們交通部都要求我們都要驗車了更何況重大的人員設施政府請人事身事外第二個綠能場域通過環評之後的環境生態不能放任業者自行管理經濟部應該主動的承擔建設後面的環境資料收集責任及系統化的管理\n我們都會要求業者這些綠電的業者他們會通報定期通報半年一次通報環境部的檢疫環境影響資訊本期要求針對這些業者同步提報給經濟部你們才好去做後續的收集甚至系統化的分析跟管理\n而且呢我這還不包括所以我在這邊請你們研議一定要一定比例的綠電場域是以免環評的有環評的他一定會送環境部免環評的是沒有的免環評的這個綠電場應該納入政府的環境衝擊的監控好針對這個生態是如此那針對氣候呢\n我就舉經管會。經管會自112年起去年還要求本國銀行每年6月底前辦理前一年度的氣候風險的相關財務揭露而綠電非常大比例是以農資我相信這個部長你比我更清楚與其說我們支持系統商不如是支持這個風電系統商的財務規劃我想這句話才是重點\n所以他的財務規劃金管會都要求說你氣候風險的財務規劃要揭露那你本身你的經濟部你對於氣候相關的管理是不是也應該要比照金管會的要求呢我這個綠電也好太陽能也好我的五級三級的地震我五級七級的颱風\n所在造成氣候所影響的這個風場你要有多少的量能力 我有多少的預備配料都要準備啊那你怎麼知道要準備多少配料 你怎麼知道多少能力當然靠的就是科學管理長期的追蹤啊 3年5年後的分析要求電廠民營電廠也要做這樣的準備啊 否則你的綠電到時候就變成廢鐵了\n好就是後續這當中只能夠一直能夠保持你現在所跟大家報告的這樣的量能啊好綠能政策在科學化的建立當中反觀我再講一次人原屬直接是規劃管理綠能的產業並卻沒有針對綠能氣候風險有生態風險的管理氣候風險的管理在電業自由化後與國家電力穩定供應進行監控人原屬不能只有管發多少電\n更重要的是穩定發電的供給與調控這個是本席的重點因為以前這個電力調控只要由台電來扮演管理者就好但是綠能發電的電業自由化之後能源署當然得承擔起綠能場域的微氣象資料屬於國家關鍵的戰略資訊這句話很重要\n為綠能場域的為氣候的資料是屬於國家關鍵的戰略資訊只有持續的建立綠能場域的資料收集才能檢討修正我的綠能政策進行科學化的數據來支持國家綠能永續的發展\n總結面對國際碳排的近鄰趨勢產業為製造出口導向的臺灣綠能是不可不為的方向這也是要替我們民進黨執政黨來講為什麼強力的發展這個綠能發電本身也深以為榮但是我覺得我們還是要很審慎的對後續在穩定供電跟調控上\n提供其經營綠電場域的再生能源養護、修復能力\n材料量能及環境監管的資料規劃．並請經濟部．額外補助台電新增能力的所需經費．以作為規範民營電廠養父設備的依據．\n第二,臺電總而言之就是臺電做示範他目前的電廠怎麼的營運狀況請他們提出一個規劃案來請進而我經濟部能源能源署建立民營電廠防護及復原的規範\n以降低人為及氣候造成國家電力供應的危機：也請經濟部能源署：我也請臺電建立各型綠能氣象風險與環境資訊監管的機制：也以此依據你能源署建立起國中央級的綠能環境管理的機制：以利要求民營電廠參照臺電的永續經營跟穩定供電部長你怎麼看呢\n邱益穎委員請作詢答\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.309 --> 00:29.127\n請部長王部長好委員好本期針對再生人員的後續除了建制之後後續的維運來做討論極端氣候下建立國家綠能穩定供應的機制那在靈牌的能源建成主力綠電也成為關鍵能源在你的簡報當中也提到去年在COP28\n\n00:30.127 --> 00:30.307\n主席\n\n00:47.472 --> 01:05.662\n阿戰爭後續可能形成的石油供應若沒有綠能的規劃能源的供應勢必困難好我國再生能源的裝置能量去確實是有大幅的成長在111年10月底不管是在太陽能光電風力到水力地了\n\n01:06.775 --> 01:29.717\n目前本席所知道的我們再生能源也達發電佔比的9%了好那台灣確實擁有好的綠能的地理條件我們有最佳的風潮在這個台灣海峽我們有在太平洋西岸這個黑潮流量的流速都很好以及我們在亞熱帶當中的日照充足以及在環太平洋的火環\n\n01:30.478 --> 01:30.858\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n01:48.123 --> 01:53.166\n所以這跟我後續的主張會有關係直觀來看我國各型的綠能軍面對不同的問題我們說有在台灣有好的這個風場但是呢夏季多颱風風機大型化下我們狹狹的空域如何兼顧民航軍機飛安與能源安全太陽能光電雖然我們在亞熱帶但是地狹人稠如何合理利用的有限國土資源我們雖然在這個\n\n02:18.098 --> 02:34.403\n這個火黃�帶當中既然是地熱發達火黃帶當中那一定是火山一定是這個很發達的一個地段所以它一定是多地震、地質破碎也導致我地下熱的水源涵養就困難雖然我們有這個海洋流的一個這樣的地主這樣的優良條件但是有黑潮那它一定是有海溝的地形水下工程難度就會劇增了\n\n02:47.347 --> 03:11.436\n好,我電力發電的風險管理好,縱觀過去經濟部只要管一家公司就好叫做台電那只要管這家台電呢他就可以掌握全國的電力而先前又是大電廠的架構火力、核能、水力等電廠均由台電現場人員即使掌握狀態甚至可以緊急備用料件來替代好\n\n03:13.356 --> 03:38.014\n對業自由化之後我們民間的綠燃電廠的地位等同台電好那你覺得民間電廠為了講求最佳化他都是委託建設甚至委託營運您覺得部長他會像台電一樣有緊急的現場人員去掌握狀況會有緊急的備用料件來支援現場的這個所\n\n03:39.735 --> 03:49.877\n因為地理或大氣環境所衍生的電力設備故障嗎?好在去年有這樣的新聞李岸一期這個故障頻繁\n\n03:51.588 --> 04:00.230\n這個故障還打3分之1但說到這一點我這個本席就要替臺電同仁報不平在臺電的再生人員柱一共才200人他管什麼再生人員而已所以地熱、風力發電、太陽能這個全部他都管就200位甚至本席了解連一個主任都要去爬電桿\n\n04:19.893 --> 04:38.620\n你看能源多麼吃緊。好,這麼所以也要請部長這邊瞭解多大面積的風產有多少種的發電設備要養護光是我出海一趟搭船來回所需的時間造成養護量能的巨大限制一艘工作船出海啊只能養護一座風塔\n\n04:40.521 --> 04:43.603\n民營風場是佔大多數,其修復工作量必然更大於台電的維護養護需求。\n\n04:59.955 --> 05:05.660\n本席認為綠能要永續在你的簡報當中你就講到說我怎麼樣的發電供應量來足好但是但你沒有永續綠能沒有循環綠能沒有合理使用你就不可能有這樣的穩定像你現在所呈現的數字了所以呢本席認為綠能政策要科學化的建立\n\n05:23.456 --> 05:47.422\n科學管理分散式的電業的必要性什麼叫做科學管理?我針對幾項幾點。第一個,要求民營電廠具備互援修復的量能不能僅靠它發電才有收入的邏輯這是現況政府因強化監理民間業者的設備妥善率連我們私人的汽車\n\n05:48.862 --> 06:10.048\n資源的棄爭我們交通部都要求我們都要驗車了更何況重大的人員設施政府請人事身事外第二個綠能場域通過環評之後的環境生態不能放任業者自行管理經濟部應該主動的承擔建設後面的環境資料收集責任及系統化的管理\n\n06:10.968 --> 06:32.537\n我們都會要求業者這些綠電的業者他們會通報定期通報半年一次通報環境部的檢疫環境影響資訊本期要求針對這些業者同步提報給經濟部你們才好去做後續的收集甚至系統化的分析跟管理\n\n06:33.797 --> 06:43.541\n而且呢我這還不包括所以我在這邊請你們研議一定要一定比例的綠電場域是以免環評的有環評的他一定會送環境部免環評的是沒有的免環評的這個綠電場應該納入政府的環境衝擊的監控好針對這個生態是如此那針對氣候呢\n\n06:58.294 --> 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