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and 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00:01:10,403\n那8月16號到了舊金山晚上有出席橋宴那前面這邊寫到的是您是去美國舊金山參加一個活動然後紐約參加一個活動然後順訪舊金山還有一些其他的橋社那請問一下這個8月13號到8月16號這4天是跟著賴副總統他們的訪團一起的嗎\n\n5\n00:01:24,097 --> 00:01:48,066\n跟委員報告這一份行程表呢事實上是舊的後來我們作廢了後來作廢所以後來有去嗎都沒有都沒去了對都沒有去了都沒有都沒有去因為呢我們就是有接到這個爆料那當時我們看一下那個好看一下這個訊息這應該是來自於外交部的所謂的吹哨者來含的訊息\n\n6\n00:01:48,846 --> 00:02:06,276\n那裏面有一些情緒性委員長您就先把它略過但是總之他裏面談到的是當時你們在安排舊的您剛所稱的這個舊的行程表的時候似乎外交部在這邊他們安排訪團的這個成員有一些不滿意的地方因為他們覺得\n\n7\n00:02:07,456 --> 00:02:34,259\n您不是這個訪團的成員但是為什麼要參加這是第一個部分但您後來已經談到你們也取消這樣子的行程了可是我們從過去上面看到的是曾經有存在過所以或許是因為你們曾經規劃了8月13到8月16的行程但您並不是訪團的成員所以使得外交部的人員在安排上面他們情緒上面他們覺得是不舒服的但後來你們取消了那我們可以了解\n\n8\n00:02:34,679 --> 00:02:34,919\n其實沒有的\n\n9\n00:02:55,735 --> 00:03:15,004\n那怎麼會傳出來是這樣子其實在橋界我們僑胞都是非常熱心所以有一些時候由於我們在準備相關的一些橋宴或過境的過程當中總是會麻煩到一些僑胞\n\n10\n00:03:16,204 --> 00:03:40,982\n那這些僑胞免不了他們不知道這些訊息是機密性的所以過程當中我們是有請僑胞所以過程是我們這邊然後要請僑胞來做一些訪團安排的一些協助但他們沒有理解到這是一個機密性的事情所以向外面透露了然後有走漏風聲我認為他們沒有向外面透露可能是有人在打聽的時候他們並不知道這些訊息是不能講的\n\n11\n00:03:43,764 --> 00:04:08,729\n但總之後來有這個賴副總統的訪團他就變成是說最後的結果是有提前的泄露一些他們可能會去的資訊讓包含是媒體包含是美方他們都理解到這個情況這個跟徐委員報告一下事實上在整體的安排上我們僑委會都沒有涉入因為在這一次的八月訪團基本上從頭到尾都是以外交部安排為主軸\n\n12\n00:04:10,109 --> 00:04:20,422\n那僑委會只有協助在就是說過境的兩場僑驗的工作了解那因為呢這個外交部他們的就是他們的公務人員的對話裡面提到一點我覺得比較這個令人質疑的是\n\n13\n00:04:25,288 --> 00:04:49,580\n他上面就寫呢上次大老闆跟這次二老闆我想他指涉的是總統跟副總統然後呢他把您稱呼不是這麼好聽請您見諒但他就說您呢在幾個月前就到處向僑包放話時間地點都爆他們就很生氣認為您是有洩露國家機密甚至還提到了這一次美促銷代表超級震怒您有聽說嗎然後講說這麼機密的出訪資料放在僑務行程上\n\n14\n00:04:54,202 --> 00:04:54,262\n徐巧芯\n\n15\n00:05:17,648 --> 00:05:31,225\n我知道我們成半同仁在安排各種的首長過境或者是出訪的過程當中由於要與對方的這個國家進行安排所以這些相關的資料會提前匯給外交部\n\n16\n00:05:34,389 --> 00:05:45,993\n那所以這都是外交部自己拿到的資料並不是僑團拿到的資料這第一點喔第二個呢這些資料我們也從來沒有對外過這東西只是要請駐美的代表處去協助原來我作為首長我也不希望能這個要有人到這個過境的時候去接機或送機等等的\n\n17\n00:05:58,058 --> 00:06:15,274\n但是外交部很堅持說基於國家的這個尊嚴我們所有的部長級通通是要比照辦理因此我們都要固定的提供我本來就有一些安排的行程在走了跟原來的總統出訪計畫或者是副總統的出訪計畫剛好是時間有一些overlap所以像這個事情就是一個意外\n\n18\n00:06:23,001 --> 00:06:45,896\n是因為我我想當時的狀況可能是這樣就是您在7月21號的時候發了這份後來作廢的公文裡面有提到包含巴拉圭然後喬燕等等的這個資訊那因為我看到正本是給外交部副本有給了駐美代表處以及很多的這個辦事處那我想可能他們收到了之後非常的驚訝覺得這樣子是不是大家都能夠推測那賴副總統的這個訪團的行程\n\n19\n00:06:48,217 --> 00:06:50,199\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧\n\n20\n00:07:09,982 --> 00:07:31,690\n關於華語文學習中心相關的一些議題委員長您學中文的時候我們應該都是學助音我想請問一下我們最近力推的這個台灣華語文學習中心他們在教我們的僑報是教拼音還是助音我們是兩者都合併在一起兩者都合併那我們有掌握哪一個多哪一個少嗎\n\n21\n00:07:32,370 --> 00:07:51,038\n目前我們自己所編的教材呢我們是包容性的教材雙語教材那最早是開始是MandarinandEnglish就是華語跟英語的這個版本那同時有拼音跟注音符號並列那麼全部都是使用我們的教材在華語文學習中心\n\n22\n00:07:51,698 --> 00:08:12,396\n那因為呢華語文學習中心我們了解的是說已經有一部分是學習漢語拼音那當然他主攻的客群因為有一部分是把華語當成是第二語言的人那他們可能想要學的應該說絕大部分都是但是有很多的像因為現在有很多的科技產業他是我們台灣的年輕人我舉例到美國\n\n23\n00:08:13,097 --> 00:08:13,597\n徐巧芯徐巧芯\n\n24\n00:08:39,839 --> 00:09:00,706\n拼音班比較容易報名成功可是助音班基本上都是額滿的情況不曉得委員長對這部分有沒有了解跟委員報告我們花語文學習中心針對的對象基本上是成人18歲以上所以他並不是給那種一般的學童孩子來上課的那我們小朋友的部分是要去哪\n\n25\n00:09:01,326 --> 00:09:01,446\n徐巧芯\n\n26\n00:09:24,284 --> 00:09:24,604\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n\n27\n00:09:51,963 --> 00:09:55,067\n最後我想要問說我們未來有沒有規劃做線上班這樣子的一個開課模式我們現在一直都混用的就是說包括我們這個華語文學習中心跟一般的橋校如果他老師在這個課程的開設上面他們覺得學生需要進階的時候需要補充的時候我們都允許他有提供線上的教學\n\n28\n00:10:12,927 --> 00:10:36,239\n我建議可以做一些更完整的線上教學去補充一些我們的小朋友他注音不到的時候那他可以使用的不是老師後來說要辦而是說他入學的時候他可以拿到相關的教材那會後我會再跟這個委員長說明說大概是在哪一個區域有發生這樣的狀況那主要就是我們僑胞的小朋友那發現說他們很難去報名到注音相關的課程\n\n29\n00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:37,539\n徐巧芯徐巧芯\n\n30\n00:10:57,329 --> 00:10:57,589\n主持人徐巧芯\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1367\t3052\t謝謝主席我們有請徐佳青委員長請徐委員長\n9915\t30494\t徐委員恭喜謝謝委員長您好有一個事情要先來跟您確認一下就是說去年8月賴副總統他有代表蔡英文總統出訪友邦巴拉圭致敬團那中間他們有過境了紐約跟舊金山那請問一下徐委員長您當時是不是正式的團員\n31795\t59074\t我不是你不是那我我想要好奇請問一下我們看一下那個公文的部分好不好就是這個公文是當時在大概8月13號14號15號16號這幾天的行程不好意思我的這個稍微糊一點喔您可以看當時您在行程上面8月13號飛往巴拉圭然後8月14號15號是也停留在巴拉圭\n59634\t70403\t那8月16號到了舊金山晚上有出席橋宴那前面這邊寫到的是您是去美國舊金山參加一個活動然後紐約參加一個活動然後順訪舊金山還有一些其他的橋社那請問一下這個8月13號到8月16號這4天是跟著賴副總統他們的訪團一起的嗎\n84097\t108066\t跟委員報告這一份行程表呢事實上是舊的後來我們作廢了後來作廢所以後來有去嗎都沒有都沒去了對都沒有去了都沒有都沒有去因為呢我們就是有接到這個爆料那當時我們看一下那個好看一下這個訊息這應該是來自於外交部的所謂的吹哨者來含的訊息\n108846\t126276\t那裏面有一些情緒性委員長您就先把它略過但是總之他裏面談到的是當時你們在安排舊的您剛所稱的這個舊的行程表的時候似乎外交部在這邊他們安排訪團的這個成員有一些不滿意的地方因為他們覺得\n127456\t154259\t您不是這個訪團的成員但是為什麼要參加這是第一個部分但您後來已經談到你們也取消這樣子的行程了可是我們從過去上面看到的是曾經有存在過所以或許是因為你們曾經規劃了8月13到8月16的行程但您並不是訪團的成員所以使得外交部的人員在安排上面他們情緒上面他們覺得是不舒服的但後來你們取消了那我們可以了解\n154679\t154919\t其實沒有的\n175735\t195004\t那怎麼會傳出來是這樣子其實在橋界我們僑胞都是非常熱心所以有一些時候由於我們在準備相關的一些橋宴或過境的過程當中總是會麻煩到一些僑胞\n196204\t220982\t那這些僑胞免不了他們不知道這些訊息是機密性的所以過程當中我們是有請僑胞所以過程是我們這邊然後要請僑胞來做一些訪團安排的一些協助但他們沒有理解到這是一個機密性的事情所以向外面透露了然後有走漏風聲我認為他們沒有向外面透露可能是有人在打聽的時候他們並不知道這些訊息是不能講的\n223764\t248729\t但總之後來有這個賴副總統的訪團他就變成是說最後的結果是有提前的泄露一些他們可能會去的資訊讓包含是媒體包含是美方他們都理解到這個情況這個跟徐委員報告一下事實上在整體的安排上我們僑委會都沒有涉入因為在這一次的八月訪團基本上從頭到尾都是以外交部安排為主軸\n250109\t260422\t那僑委會只有協助在就是說過境的兩場僑驗的工作了解那因為呢這個外交部他們的就是他們的公務人員的對話裡面提到一點我覺得比較這個令人質疑的是\n265288\t289580\t他上面就寫呢上次大老闆跟這次二老闆我想他指涉的是總統跟副總統然後呢他把您稱呼不是這麼好聽請您見諒但他就說您呢在幾個月前就到處向僑包放話時間地點都爆他們就很生氣認為您是有洩露國家機密甚至還提到了這一次美促銷代表超級震怒您有聽說嗎然後講說這麼機密的出訪資料放在僑務行程上\n294202\t294262\t徐巧芯\n317648\t331225\t我知道我們成半同仁在安排各種的首長過境或者是出訪的過程當中由於要與對方的這個國家進行安排所以這些相關的資料會提前匯給外交部\n334389\t345993\t那所以這都是外交部自己拿到的資料並不是僑團拿到的資料這第一點喔第二個呢這些資料我們也從來沒有對外過這東西只是要請駐美的代表處去協助原來我作為首長我也不希望能這個要有人到這個過境的時候去接機或送機等等的\n358058\t375274\t但是外交部很堅持說基於國家的這個尊嚴我們所有的部長級通通是要比照辦理因此我們都要固定的提供我本來就有一些安排的行程在走了跟原來的總統出訪計畫或者是副總統的出訪計畫剛好是時間有一些overlap所以像這個事情就是一個意外\n383001\t405896\t是 因為我 我想當時的狀況可能是這樣就是您在7月21號的時候發了這份後來作廢的公文裡面有提到包含巴拉圭 然後喬燕等等的這個資訊那因為我看到正本是給外交部副本有給了駐美代表處以及很多的這個辦事處那我想可能他們收到了之後非常的驚訝覺得這樣子是不是大家都能夠推測那賴副總統的這個訪團的行程\n408217\t410199\t徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧\n429982\t451690\t關於華語文學習中心相關的一些議題委員長您學中文的時候我們應該都是學助音我想請問一下我們最近力推的這個台灣華語文學習中心他們在教我們的僑報是教拼音還是助音我們是兩者都合併在一起兩者都合併那我們有掌握哪一個多哪一個少嗎\n452370\t471038\t目前我們自己所編的教材呢我們是包容性的教材雙語教材那最早是開始是Mandarin and English就是華語跟英語的這個版本那同時有拼音跟注音符號並列那麼全部都是使用我們的教材在華語文學習中心\n471698\t492396\t那因為呢華語文學習中心我們了解的是說已經有一部分是學習漢語拼音那當然他主攻的客群因為有一部分是把華語當成是第二語言的人那他們可能想要學的應該說絕大部分都是但是有很多的像因為現在有很多的科技產業他是我們台灣的年輕人我舉例到美國\n493097\t493597\t徐巧芯徐巧芯\n519839\t540706\t拼音班比較容易報名成功可是助音班基本上都是額滿的情況不曉得委員長對這部分有沒有了解跟委員報告我們花語文學習中心針對的對象基本上是成人18歲以上所以他並不是給那種一般的學童孩子來上課的那我們小朋友的部分是要去哪\n541326\t541446\t徐巧芯\n564284\t564604\t徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n591963\t595067\t最後我想要問說我們未來有沒有規劃做線上班這樣子的一個開課模式我們現在一直都混用的就是說包括我們這個華語文學習中心跟一般的橋校如果他老師在這個課程的開設上面他們覺得學生需要進階的時候需要補充的時候我們都允許他有提供線上的教學\n612927\t636239\t我建議可以做一些更完整的線上教學去補充一些我們的小朋友他注音不到的時候那他可以使用的不是老師後來說要辦而是說他入學的時候他可以拿到相關的教材那會後我會再跟這個委員長說明說大概是在哪一個區域有發生這樣的狀況那主要就是我們僑胞的小朋友那發現說他們很難去報名到注音相關的課程\n637159\t637539\t徐巧芯徐巧芯\n657329\t657589\t主持人徐巧芯\n","txt":"謝謝主席我們有請徐佳青委員長請徐委員長\n徐委員恭喜謝謝委員長您好有一個事情要先來跟您確認一下就是說去年8月賴副總統他有代表蔡英文總統出訪友邦巴拉圭致敬團那中間他們有過境了紐約跟舊金山那請問一下徐委員長您當時是不是正式的團員\n我不是你不是那我我想要好奇請問一下我們看一下那個公文的部分好不好就是這個公文是當時在大概8月13號14號15號16號這幾天的行程不好意思我的這個稍微糊一點喔您可以看當時您在行程上面8月13號飛往巴拉圭然後8月14號15號是也停留在巴拉圭\n那8月16號到了舊金山晚上有出席橋宴那前面這邊寫到的是您是去美國舊金山參加一個活動然後紐約參加一個活動然後順訪舊金山還有一些其他的橋社那請問一下這個8月13號到8月16號這4天是跟著賴副總統他們的訪團一起的嗎\n跟委員報告這一份行程表呢事實上是舊的後來我們作廢了後來作廢所以後來有去嗎都沒有都沒去了對都沒有去了都沒有都沒有去因為呢我們就是有接到這個爆料那當時我們看一下那個好看一下這個訊息這應該是來自於外交部的所謂的吹哨者來含的訊息\n那裏面有一些情緒性委員長您就先把它略過但是總之他裏面談到的是當時你們在安排舊的您剛所稱的這個舊的行程表的時候似乎外交部在這邊他們安排訪團的這個成員有一些不滿意的地方因為他們覺得\n您不是這個訪團的成員但是為什麼要參加這是第一個部分但您後來已經談到你們也取消這樣子的行程了可是我們從過去上面看到的是曾經有存在過所以或許是因為你們曾經規劃了8月13到8月16的行程但您並不是訪團的成員所以使得外交部的人員在安排上面他們情緒上面他們覺得是不舒服的但後來你們取消了那我們可以了解\n其實沒有的\n那怎麼會傳出來是這樣子其實在橋界我們僑胞都是非常熱心所以有一些時候由於我們在準備相關的一些橋宴或過境的過程當中總是會麻煩到一些僑胞\n那這些僑胞免不了他們不知道這些訊息是機密性的所以過程當中我們是有請僑胞所以過程是我們這邊然後要請僑胞來做一些訪團安排的一些協助但他們沒有理解到這是一個機密性的事情所以向外面透露了然後有走漏風聲我認為他們沒有向外面透露可能是有人在打聽的時候他們並不知道這些訊息是不能講的\n但總之後來有這個賴副總統的訪團他就變成是說最後的結果是有提前的泄露一些他們可能會去的資訊讓包含是媒體包含是美方他們都理解到這個情況這個跟徐委員報告一下事實上在整體的安排上我們僑委會都沒有涉入因為在這一次的八月訪團基本上從頭到尾都是以外交部安排為主軸\n那僑委會只有協助在就是說過境的兩場僑驗的工作了解那因為呢這個外交部他們的就是他們的公務人員的對話裡面提到一點我覺得比較這個令人質疑的是\n他上面就寫呢上次大老闆跟這次二老闆我想他指涉的是總統跟副總統然後呢他把您稱呼不是這麼好聽請您見諒但他就說您呢在幾個月前就到處向僑包放話時間地點都爆他們就很生氣認為您是有洩露國家機密甚至還提到了這一次美促銷代表超級震怒您有聽說嗎然後講說這麼機密的出訪資料放在僑務行程上\n徐巧芯\n我知道我們成半同仁在安排各種的首長過境或者是出訪的過程當中由於要與對方的這個國家進行安排所以這些相關的資料會提前匯給外交部\n那所以這都是外交部自己拿到的資料並不是僑團拿到的資料這第一點喔第二個呢這些資料我們也從來沒有對外過這東西只是要請駐美的代表處去協助原來我作為首長我也不希望能這個要有人到這個過境的時候去接機或送機等等的\n但是外交部很堅持說基於國家的這個尊嚴我們所有的部長級通通是要比照辦理因此我們都要固定的提供我本來就有一些安排的行程在走了跟原來的總統出訪計畫或者是副總統的出訪計畫剛好是時間有一些overlap所以像這個事情就是一個意外\n是 因為我 我想當時的狀況可能是這樣就是您在7月21號的時候發了這份後來作廢的公文裡面有提到包含巴拉圭 然後喬燕等等的這個資訊那因為我看到正本是給外交部副本有給了駐美代表處以及很多的這個辦事處那我想可能他們收到了之後非常的驚訝覺得這樣子是不是大家都能夠推測那賴副總統的這個訪團的行程\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧\n關於華語文學習中心相關的一些議題委員長您學中文的時候我們應該都是學助音我想請問一下我們最近力推的這個台灣華語文學習中心他們在教我們的僑報是教拼音還是助音我們是兩者都合併在一起兩者都合併那我們有掌握哪一個多哪一個少嗎\n目前我們自己所編的教材呢我們是包容性的教材雙語教材那最早是開始是Mandarin and English就是華語跟英語的這個版本那同時有拼音跟注音符號並列那麼全部都是使用我們的教材在華語文學習中心\n那因為呢華語文學習中心我們了解的是說已經有一部分是學習漢語拼音那當然他主攻的客群因為有一部分是把華語當成是第二語言的人那他們可能想要學的應該說絕大部分都是但是有很多的像因為現在有很多的科技產業他是我們台灣的年輕人我舉例到美國\n徐巧芯徐巧芯\n拼音班比較容易報名成功可是助音班基本上都是額滿的情況不曉得委員長對這部分有沒有了解跟委員報告我們花語文學習中心針對的對象基本上是成人18歲以上所以他並不是給那種一般的學童孩子來上課的那我們小朋友的部分是要去哪\n徐巧芯\n徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯徐巧芯\n最後我想要問說我們未來有沒有規劃做線上班這樣子的一個開課模式我們現在一直都混用的就是說包括我們這個華語文學習中心跟一般的橋校如果他老師在這個課程的開設上面他們覺得學生需要進階的時候需要補充的時候我們都允許他有提供線上的教學\n我建議可以做一些更完整的線上教學去補充一些我們的小朋友他注音不到的時候那他可以使用的不是老師後來說要辦而是說他入學的時候他可以拿到相關的教材那會後我會再跟這個委員長說明說大概是在哪一個區域有發生這樣的狀況那主要就是我們僑胞的小朋友那發現說他們很難去報名到注音相關的課程\n徐巧芯徐巧芯\n主持人徐巧芯\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.367 --> 00:03.052\n謝謝主席我們有請徐佳青委員長請徐委員長\n\n00:09.915 --> 00:30.494\n徐委員恭喜謝謝委員長您好有一個事情要先來跟您確認一下就是說去年8月賴副總統他有代表蔡英文總統出訪友邦巴拉圭致敬團那中間他們有過境了紐約跟舊金山那請問一下徐委員長您當時是不是正式的團員\n\n00:31.795 --> 00:59.074\n我不是你不是那我我想要好奇請問一下我們看一下那個公文的部分好不好就是這個公文是當時在大概8月13號14號15號16號這幾天的行程不好意思我的這個稍微糊一點喔您可以看當時您在行程上面8月13號飛往巴拉圭然後8月14號15號是也停留在巴拉圭\n\n00:59.634 --> 01:10.403\n那8月16號到了舊金山晚上有出席橋宴那前面這邊寫到的是您是去美國舊金山參加一個活動然後紐約參加一個活動然後順訪舊金山還有一些其他的橋社那請問一下這個8月13號到8月16號這4天是跟著賴副總統他們的訪團一起的嗎\n\n01:24.097 --> 01:48.066\n跟委員報告這一份行程表呢事實上是舊的後來我們作廢了後來作廢所以後來有去嗎都沒有都沒去了對都沒有去了都沒有都沒有去因為呢我們就是有接到這個爆料那當時我們看一下那個好看一下這個訊息這應該是來自於外交部的所謂的吹哨者來含的訊息\n\n01:48.846 --> 02:06.276\n那裏面有一些情緒性委員長您就先把它略過但是總之他裏面談到的是當時你們在安排舊的您剛所稱的這個舊的行程表的時候似乎外交部在這邊他們安排訪團的這個成員有一些不滿意的地方因為他們覺得\n\n02:07.456 --> 02:34.259\n您不是這個訪團的成員但是為什麼要參加這是第一個部分但您後來已經談到你們也取消這樣子的行程了可是我們從過去上面看到的是曾經有存在過所以或許是因為你們曾經規劃了8月13到8月16的行程但您並不是訪團的成員所以使得外交部的人員在安排上面他們情緒上面他們覺得是不舒服的但後來你們取消了那我們可以了解\n\n02:34.679 --> 02:34.919\n其實沒有的\n\n02:55.735 --> 03:15.004\n那怎麼會傳出來是這樣子其實在橋界我們僑胞都是非常熱心所以有一些時候由於我們在準備相關的一些橋宴或過境的過程當中總是會麻煩到一些僑胞\n\n03:16.204 --> 03:40.982\n那這些僑胞免不了他們不知道這些訊息是機密性的所以過程當中我們是有請僑胞所以過程是我們這邊然後要請僑胞來做一些訪團安排的一些協助但他們沒有理解到這是一個機密性的事情所以向外面透露了然後有走漏風聲我認為他們沒有向外面透露可能是有人在打聽的時候他們並不知道這些訊息是不能講的\n\n03:43.764 --> 04:08.729\n但總之後來有這個賴副總統的訪團他就變成是說最後的結果是有提前的泄露一些他們可能會去的資訊讓包含是媒體包含是美方他們都理解到這個情況這個跟徐委員報告一下事實上在整體的安排上我們僑委會都沒有涉入因為在這一次的八月訪團基本上從頭到尾都是以外交部安排為主軸\n\n04:10.109 --> 04:20.422\n那僑委會只有協助在就是說過境的兩場僑驗的工作了解那因為呢這個外交部他們的就是他們的公務人員的對話裡面提到一點我覺得比較這個令人質疑的是\n\n04:25.288 --> 04:49.580\n他上面就寫呢上次大老闆跟這次二老闆我想他指涉的是總統跟副總統然後呢他把您稱呼不是這麼好聽請您見諒但他就說您呢在幾個月前就到處向僑包放話時間地點都爆他們就很生氣認為您是有洩露國家機密甚至還提到了這一次美促銷代表超級震怒您有聽說嗎然後講說這麼機密的出訪資料放在僑務行程上\n\n04:54.202 --> 04:54.262\n徐巧芯\n\n05:17.648 --> 05:31.225\n我知道我們成半同仁在安排各種的首長過境或者是出訪的過程當中由於要與對方的這個國家進行安排所以這些相關的資料會提前匯給外交部\n\n05:34.389 --> 05:45.993\n那所以這都是外交部自己拿到的資料並不是僑團拿到的資料這第一點喔第二個呢這些資料我們也從來沒有對外過這東西只是要請駐美的代表處去協助原來我作為首長我也不希望能這個要有人到這個過境的時候去接機或送機等等的\n\n05:58.058 --> 06:15.274\n但是外交部很堅持說基於國家的這個尊嚴我們所有的部長級通通是要比照辦理因此我們都要固定的提供我本來就有一些安排的行程在走了跟原來的總統出訪計畫或者是副總統的出訪計畫剛好是時間有一些overlap所以像這個事情就是一個意外\n\n06:23.001 --> 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