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00:00:03,907\n市長,今天幾個問題跟您請教。最近大家對食安的問題又開始重視。\n\n2\n00:00:23,946 --> 00:00:45,487\n經濟部大概主責這所謂的公司登記我們看到這一家蘇丹紅進口蘇丹紅辣椒粉的這一家公司的這個負責人叫做李彥廷先生他用人頭分別成立了10家在同一個地址的10家的人頭公司經濟部說現在要開始清查我不曉得這個進度是如何\n\n3\n00:00:47,809 --> 00:01:03,226\n經濟部如何對於像類似這樣的人頭公司登記在同一個地址但是他不曉得有沒有實際在運作或者是出了事情就趕快再換一個負責人換一個公司這件事情經濟部的處理態度是什麼\n\n4\n00:01:04,367 --> 00:01:09,332\n謝謝所以這個在院裡面已經成立跨部會的小組來討論這個事情那現在我們經濟部就衛福部這邊如果給我們資料比如說A公司那這個A公司給我們之後我們就會就這個A公司同一個地址\n\n5\n00:01:19,984 --> 00:01:33,074\n或者負責人有沒有相同或者是其他的公司有沒有相同等等只要有一個相同我們就會把資料撈出來回饋給衛福部有需要等衛福部給你們資料比如說你的電腦裡頭應該很容易去撈出登記在相同地址的這樣的一個公司尤其是食品業者這個要防範成立人頭公司我覺得你們應該是趕快先去把這一些\n\n6\n00:01:49,346 --> 00:01:49,366\n﹚邱議瑩﹚\n\n7\n00:02:09,213 --> 00:02:35,115\n外府部或者是農業部我覺得類似相關的不管是食安或者是其實很多的這一些所謂的人頭公司啦我覺得防堵人頭公司不只在食安的這一塊我們要去進行防堵可能很多的這一些虛擬的公司人頭的公司這一些可能經濟部也要去我們都會做最大的努力來協助講到食安的問題就不能不談台糖公司的這一個\n\n8\n00:02:36,496 --> 00:02:58,926\n所謂的瘦肉精移雲部長921比1的檢驗報告出來我真的不曉得他真的是台糖會使用西布特羅這個瘦肉精嗎?看起來我們的食安辦已經公布了結果這是一個單一事件但他沒有辦法排除檢驗污染的風險921比1的調查結果\n\n9\n00:03:04,008 --> 00:03:33,079\n我相信大概國人都看得非常的清楚但是在這個過程當中對於台糖公司所造成的影響這個是你們台糖公司自己計算的大概這個事件影響的損失程度大概是5128萬大概是你可以計算出來的有形的損失無形的損失是台糖公司長年建立的這個商域因為這樣的一件\n\n10\n00:03:34,659 --> 00:03:42,464\n突如其來或者是不知從哪裡污染到的這樣的一件豬肉對台糖公司所造成的商域影響\n\n11\n00:03:44,070 --> 00:03:47,673\n這個價格是無法計算的我要請問部長跟台糖公司你們要不要求償要不要採取法律行動對於台中市政府來求償部長謝謝那我想這個十安辦前一陣子前幾天也開了會那確認在我們這個相關的飼養屠宰過程應該是都沒有問題所以我想對台糖來說最需要的是\n\n12\n00:04:12,674 --> 00:04:15,436\n回復他的信譽回復國人對台糖對國產豬的一個信心我想這個是最重要的那在這個報告裡面呢最後對於為什麼會有一個單一簡體的這個部分的這樣的情形呢\n\n13\n00:04:30,288 --> 00:04:50,152\n確實是沒有辦法排除但是也沒辦法肯認是怎麼一回事所以這是一個羅生門啊為什麼會只有這一包或者是只有那一塊肉有西部特羅其他的是完全沒有但是就台糖所有的飼養的過程裡頭包括你的原料飼料進口完全不含西部特羅這個是完全確認的但是這樣的一個事件對於台糖所造成的損失我認為台糖不能就這麼算了啦\n\n14\n00:04:59,891 --> 00:05:26,677\n即使台糖是國營公司我認為台糖不能就這麼算了啦你們的損失我覺得不止這個五千一百多萬欸那這個商域一旦被破壞了要重新回復名譽你要花多少的時間甚至你要花多少的心力、精神、金錢才有辦法所以我建議我是支持台糖公司提告、求償\n\n15\n00:05:28,444 --> 00:05:34,971\n那也讓任何的檢驗單位其實在對於這樣的事件的發布都應該要更審慎\n\n16\n00:05:37,264 --> 00:06:00,666\n董事長您同意我的看法嗎?謝謝委員對台長的鼓勵因為根據食安辦的這個報告那我們的法律顧問目前也正在研擬相關的意見所以我們會根據法律顧問的這個法律意見書再來做一些研議不過我要跟委員報告就是今天的報紙也有報導台中市的食安辦\n\n17\n00:06:01,867 --> 00:06:27,024\n他們台中市的13處他們的這個主管有提到他們也會包括這一次的檢驗方面有哪一些需要再精進的我覺得呃台中市的雙方都有意思要對這個單一事件來進行和解就是了啦是不是這樣我們會再嚴厲是好不要說主席有意見不要說和解啦但雙方要對這件事情來進行和談好\n\n18\n00:06:32,823 --> 00:06:36,468\n接下來我要請教部長您剛花了很長一段時間大概談到台灣的整個經濟的現況跟我們的不管是產業啦我們需要的這個電力的情況\n\n19\n00:06:52,286 --> 00:07:12,723\n這個RE100其實應該是現在的這些企業非常重視也非常在乎的事情嘛全球大概有350家的企業去響應了RE100台灣大概現在有31家那我要請教就是說到底RE100它要用到的一定是綠電台灣的綠電\n\n20\n00:07:15,339 --> 00:07:44,295\n到底夠不夠現在的31家不代表永遠只有這31家嘛你要踏入國際一定是還要持續使用一定要得到RE版的認證所以台灣的綠電到底夠不夠那這個部分我們其實每一季都滾動的檢討那滾動檢討的原因是在我們的供給面也都會增加那第二個需求面的這些廠商呢他也可能因為他的客戶的要求\n\n21\n00:07:44,855 --> 00:07:53,763\n或者他要可能時程上他有不同所以我們都會問他綠電的需求是怎麼樣的情形那也跟委員報告就是說他們對國際大廠給他們綠電的需求確實都有在增加部長我這邊拿到的資料我跟您確認一下就是說2023年我們的綠電供給量大概是265億度\n\n22\n00:08:10,519 --> 00:08:36,318\n對,高於當年的潛在需求量118億度所以我們看起來綠電的供給量是夠的但是你們實際的供轉量只有17億度其他的是不是大概都是拿去賣掉了那你們現在在去年推動了所謂的小額綠電交易這樣的一個平台從去年10月25日上架開始競標\n\n23\n00:08:37,739 --> 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好\n392823\t396468\t接下來我要請教部長您剛花了很長一段時間大概談到台灣的整個經濟的現況跟我們的不管是產業啦我們需要的這個電力的情況\n412286\t432723\t這個RE100其實應該是現在的這些企業非常重視也非常在乎的事情嘛全球大概有350家的企業去響應了RE100台灣大概現在有31家那我要請教就是說到底RE100它要用到的一定是綠電台灣的綠電\n435339\t464295\t到底夠不夠現在的31家不代表永遠只有這31家嘛你要踏入國際一定是還要持續使用一定要得到RE版的認證所以台灣的綠電到底夠不夠那這個部分我們其實每一季都滾動的檢討那滾動檢討的原因是在我們的供給面也都會增加那第二個需求面的這些廠商呢他也可能因為他的客戶的要求\n464855\t473763\t或者他要可能時程上他有不同所以我們都會問他綠電的需求是怎麼樣的情形那也跟委員報告就是說他們對國際大廠給他們綠電的需求確實都有在增加部長我這邊拿到的資料我跟您確認一下就是說2023年我們的綠電供給量大概是265億度\n490519\t516318\t對,高於當年的潛在需求量118億度所以我們看起來綠電的供給量是夠的但是你們實際的供轉量只有17億度其他的是不是大概都是拿去賣掉了那你們現在在去年推動了所謂的小額綠電交易這樣的一個平台從去年10月25日上架開始競標\n517739\t541683\t我想要更進一步瞭解你們到底競標的成效是什麼如果今天來不及回答的話是不是也請經濟部給本席資料那我跟委員說明那個17億度其實是指它原來跟短購賣給台電那後來跟台電分手了17億度是指這一個部分那事實上非常多的暗廠它其實本來就直接賣給民間了民間的電廠它就直接賣掉了賣給民間了\n544804\t558196\t但是目前為止你們的綠電供應能量還是夠的,是不是?總量是,剛才委員講的是多,非常多的,是。好,那這個相關的部分是不是,細部的資料是不是能夠請經濟部再提供給本席,好不好?好,謝謝。好,謝謝。\n","txt":"市長,今天幾個問題跟您請教。最近大家對食安的問題又開始重視。\n經濟部大概主責這所謂的公司登記我們看到這一家蘇丹紅進口蘇丹紅辣椒粉的這一家公司的這個負責人叫做李彥廷先生他用人頭分別成立了10家在同一個地址的10家的人頭公司經濟部說現在要開始清查我不曉得這個進度是如何\n經濟部如何對於像類似這樣的人頭公司登記在同一個地址但是他不曉得有沒有實際在運作或者是出了事情就趕快再換一個負責人換一個公司這件事情經濟部的處理態度是什麼\n謝謝所以這個在院裡面已經成立跨部會的小組來討論這個事情那現在我們經濟部就衛福部這邊如果給我們資料比如說A公司那這個A公司給我們之後我們就會就這個A公司同一個地址\n或者負責人有沒有相同或者是其他的公司有沒有相同等等只要有一個相同我們就會把資料撈出來回饋給衛福部有需要等衛福部給你們資料比如說你的電腦裡頭應該很容易去撈出登記在相同地址的這樣的一個公司尤其是食品業者這個要防範成立人頭公司我覺得你們應該是趕快先去把這一些\n﹚邱議瑩﹚\n外府部或者是農業部我覺得類似相關的不管是食安或者是其實很多的這一些所謂的人頭公司啦我覺得防堵人頭公司不只在食安的這一塊我們要去進行防堵可能很多的這一些虛擬的公司人頭的公司這一些可能經濟部也要去我們都會做最大的努力來協助講到食安的問題就不能不談台糖公司的這一個\n所謂的瘦肉精移雲部長921比1的檢驗報告出來我真的不曉得他真的是台糖會使用西布特羅這個瘦肉精嗎?看起來我們的食安辦已經公布了結果這是一個單一事件但他沒有辦法排除檢驗污染的風險921比1的調查結果\n我相信大概國人都看得非常的清楚但是在這個過程當中對於台糖公司所造成的影響這個是你們台糖公司自己計算的大概這個事件影響的損失程度大概是5128萬大概是你可以計算出來的有形的損失無形的損失是台糖公司長年建立的這個商域因為這樣的一件\n突如其來或者是不知從哪裡污染到的這樣的一件豬肉對台糖公司所造成的商域影響\n這個價格是無法計算的我要請問部長跟台糖公司你們要不要求償要不要採取法律行動對於台中市政府來求償部長謝謝那我想這個十安辦前一陣子前幾天也開了會那確認在我們這個相關的飼養屠宰過程應該是都沒有問題所以我想對台糖來說最需要的是\n回復他的信譽回復國人對台糖對國產豬的一個信心我想這個是最重要的那在這個報告裡面呢最後對於為什麼會有一個單一簡體的這個部分的這樣的情形呢\n確實是沒有辦法排除但是也沒辦法肯認是怎麼一回事所以這是一個羅生門啊為什麼會只有這一包或者是只有那一塊肉有西部特羅其他的是完全沒有但是就台糖所有的飼養的過程裡頭包括你的原料飼料進口完全不含西部特羅這個是完全確認的但是這樣的一個事件對於台糖所造成的損失我認為台糖不能就這麼算了啦\n即使台糖是國營公司我認為台糖不能就這麼算了啦你們的損失我覺得不止這個五千一百多萬欸那這個商域一旦被破壞了要重新回復名譽你要花多少的時間甚至你要花多少的心力、精神、金錢才有辦法所以我建議我是支持台糖公司提告、求償\n那也讓任何的檢驗單位其實在對於這樣的事件的發布都應該要更審慎\n董事長您同意我的看法嗎?謝謝委員對台長的鼓勵因為根據食安辦的這個報告那我們的法律顧問目前也正在研擬相關的意見所以我們會根據法律顧問的這個法律意見書再來做一些研議不過我要跟委員報告就是今天的報紙也有報導台中市的食安辦\n他們 台中市的13處他們的 這個主管有提到他們也會 包括這一次的檢驗方面 有哪一些需要再精進的 我覺得 呃 台中市的 雙方都有意思要對這個單一事件來進行和解就是了啦 是不是這樣 我們會再嚴厲 是好 不要說 主席有意見 不要說和解啦 但雙方要對這件事情來進行和談 好\n接下來我要請教部長您剛花了很長一段時間大概談到台灣的整個經濟的現況跟我們的不管是產業啦我們需要的這個電力的情況\n這個RE100其實應該是現在的這些企業非常重視也非常在乎的事情嘛全球大概有350家的企業去響應了RE100台灣大概現在有31家那我要請教就是說到底RE100它要用到的一定是綠電台灣的綠電\n到底夠不夠現在的31家不代表永遠只有這31家嘛你要踏入國際一定是還要持續使用一定要得到RE版的認證所以台灣的綠電到底夠不夠那這個部分我們其實每一季都滾動的檢討那滾動檢討的原因是在我們的供給面也都會增加那第二個需求面的這些廠商呢他也可能因為他的客戶的要求\n或者他要可能時程上他有不同所以我們都會問他綠電的需求是怎麼樣的情形那也跟委員報告就是說他們對國際大廠給他們綠電的需求確實都有在增加部長我這邊拿到的資料我跟您確認一下就是說2023年我們的綠電供給量大概是265億度\n對,高於當年的潛在需求量118億度所以我們看起來綠電的供給量是夠的但是你們實際的供轉量只有17億度其他的是不是大概都是拿去賣掉了那你們現在在去年推動了所謂的小額綠電交易這樣的一個平台從去年10月25日上架開始競標\n我想要更進一步瞭解你們到底競標的成效是什麼如果今天來不及回答的話是不是也請經濟部給本席資料那我跟委員說明那個17億度其實是指它原來跟短購賣給台電那後來跟台電分手了17億度是指這一個部分那事實上非常多的暗廠它其實本來就直接賣給民間了民間的電廠它就直接賣掉了賣給民間了\n但是目前為止你們的綠電供應能量還是夠的,是不是?總量是,剛才委員講的是多,非常多的,是。好,那這個相關的部分是不是,細部的資料是不是能夠請經濟部再提供給本席,好不好?好,謝謝。好,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.466 --> 00:03.907\n市長,今天幾個問題跟您請教。最近大家對食安的問題又開始重視。\n\n00:23.946 --> 00:45.487\n經濟部大概主責這所謂的公司登記我們看到這一家蘇丹紅進口蘇丹紅辣椒粉的這一家公司的這個負責人叫做李彥廷先生他用人頭分別成立了10家在同一個地址的10家的人頭公司經濟部說現在要開始清查我不曉得這個進度是如何\n\n00:47.809 --> 01:03.226\n經濟部如何對於像類似這樣的人頭公司登記在同一個地址但是他不曉得有沒有實際在運作或者是出了事情就趕快再換一個負責人換一個公司這件事情經濟部的處理態度是什麼\n\n01:04.367 --> 01:09.332\n謝謝所以這個在院裡面已經成立跨部會的小組來討論這個事情那現在我們經濟部就衛福部這邊如果給我們資料比如說A公司那這個A公司給我們之後我們就會就這個A公司同一個地址\n\n01:19.984 --> 01:33.074\n或者負責人有沒有相同或者是其他的公司有沒有相同等等只要有一個相同我們就會把資料撈出來回饋給衛福部有需要等衛福部給你們資料比如說你的電腦裡頭應該很容易去撈出登記在相同地址的這樣的一個公司尤其是食品業者這個要防範成立人頭公司我覺得你們應該是趕快先去把這一些\n\n01:49.346 --> 01:49.366\n﹚邱議瑩﹚\n\n02:09.213 --> 02:35.115\n外府部或者是農業部我覺得類似相關的不管是食安或者是其實很多的這一些所謂的人頭公司啦我覺得防堵人頭公司不只在食安的這一塊我們要去進行防堵可能很多的這一些虛擬的公司人頭的公司這一些可能經濟部也要去我們都會做最大的努力來協助講到食安的問題就不能不談台糖公司的這一個\n\n02:36.496 --> 02:58.926\n所謂的瘦肉精移雲部長921比1的檢驗報告出來我真的不曉得他真的是台糖會使用西布特羅這個瘦肉精嗎?看起來我們的食安辦已經公布了結果這是一個單一事件但他沒有辦法排除檢驗污染的風險921比1的調查結果\n\n03:04.008 --> 03:33.079\n我相信大概國人都看得非常的清楚但是在這個過程當中對於台糖公司所造成的影響這個是你們台糖公司自己計算的大概這個事件影響的損失程度大概是5128萬大概是你可以計算出來的有形的損失無形的損失是台糖公司長年建立的這個商域因為這樣的一件\n\n03:34.659 --> 03:42.464\n突如其來或者是不知從哪裡污染到的這樣的一件豬肉對台糖公司所造成的商域影響\n\n03:44.070 --> 03:47.673\n這個價格是無法計算的我要請問部長跟台糖公司你們要不要求償要不要採取法律行動對於台中市政府來求償部長謝謝那我想這個十安辦前一陣子前幾天也開了會那確認在我們這個相關的飼養屠宰過程應該是都沒有問題所以我想對台糖來說最需要的是\n\n04:12.674 --> 04:15.436\n回復他的信譽回復國人對台糖對國產豬的一個信心我想這個是最重要的那在這個報告裡面呢最後對於為什麼會有一個單一簡體的這個部分的這樣的情形呢\n\n04:30.288 --> 04:50.152\n確實是沒有辦法排除但是也沒辦法肯認是怎麼一回事所以這是一個羅生門啊為什麼會只有這一包或者是只有那一塊肉有西部特羅其他的是完全沒有但是就台糖所有的飼養的過程裡頭包括你的原料飼料進口完全不含西部特羅這個是完全確認的但是這樣的一個事件對於台糖所造成的損失我認為台糖不能就這麼算了啦\n\n04:59.891 --> 05:26.677\n即使台糖是國營公司我認為台糖不能就這麼算了啦你們的損失我覺得不止這個五千一百多萬欸那這個商域一旦被破壞了要重新回復名譽你要花多少的時間甚至你要花多少的心力、精神、金錢才有辦法所以我建議我是支持台糖公司提告、求償\n\n05:28.444 --> 05:34.971\n那也讓任何的檢驗單位其實在對於這樣的事件的發布都應該要更審慎\n\n05:37.264 --> 06:00.666\n董事長您同意我的看法嗎?謝謝委員對台長的鼓勵因為根據食安辦的這個報告那我們的法律顧問目前也正在研擬相關的意見所以我們會根據法律顧問的這個法律意見書再來做一些研議不過我要跟委員報告就是今天的報紙也有報導台中市的食安辦\n\n06:01.867 --> 06:27.024\n他們台中市的13處他們的這個主管有提到他們也會包括這一次的檢驗方面有哪一些需要再精進的我覺得呃台中市的雙方都有意思要對這個單一事件來進行和解就是了啦是不是這樣我們會再嚴厲是好不要說主席有意見不要說和解啦但雙方要對這件事情來進行和談好\n\n06:32.823 --> 06:36.468\n接下來我要請教部長您剛花了很長一段時間大概談到台灣的整個經濟的現況跟我們的不管是產業啦我們需要的這個電力的情況\n\n06:52.286 --> 07:12.723\n這個RE100其實應該是現在的這些企業非常重視也非常在乎的事情嘛全球大概有350家的企業去響應了RE100台灣大概現在有31家那我要請教就是說到底RE100它要用到的一定是綠電台灣的綠電\n\n07:15.339 --> 07:44.295\n到底夠不夠現在的31家不代表永遠只有這31家嘛你要踏入國際一定是還要持續使用一定要得到RE版的認證所以台灣的綠電到底夠不夠那這個部分我們其實每一季都滾動的檢討那滾動檢討的原因是在我們的供給面也都會增加那第二個需求面的這些廠商呢他也可能因為他的客戶的要求\n\n07:44.855 --> 07:53.763\n或者他要可能時程上他有不同所以我們都會問他綠電的需求是怎麼樣的情形那也跟委員報告就是說他們對國際大廠給他們綠電的需求確實都有在增加部長我這邊拿到的資料我跟您確認一下就是說2023年我們的綠電供給量大概是265億度\n\n08:10.519 --> 08:36.318\n對,高於當年的潛在需求量118億度所以我們看起來綠電的供給量是夠的但是你們實際的供轉量只有17億度其他的是不是大概都是拿去賣掉了那你們現在在去年推動了所謂的小額綠電交易這樣的一個平台從去年10月25日上架開始競標\n\n08:37.739 --> 09:01.683\n我想要更進一步瞭解你們到底競標的成效是什麼如果今天來不及回答的話是不是也請經濟部給本席資料那我跟委員說明那個17億度其實是指它原來跟短購賣給台電那後來跟台電分手了17億度是指這一個部分那事實上非常多的暗廠它其實本來就直接賣給民間了民間的電廠它就直接賣掉了賣給民間了\n\n09:04.804 --> 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