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00:03:31,113\n我也跟這個部長說我自己也是公務員出身我在以前考過高考那個時候是當時叫搶破頭那原因是當然一個很大的原因就是說覺得工作有保障\n\n10\n00:03:32,065 --> 00:03:55,539\n所以我們現在有提到之前我們也提到就是說是不是能夠考量到否則像公務員現在的月薪大概是三萬三千八百五十元那勞工基本工資大概是兩萬七千四百七十元雖然起薪當然還是高過於這個勞工底薪剛剛你也講到很多外部因素嘛包括整體福利待遇升遷限制薪資天花板\n\n11\n00:03:55,999 --> 00:03:56,119\n主席\n\n12\n00:04:11,483 --> 00:04:40,741\n是不是能夠盡量努力的促成跟人事總書在質詢也有問過就是說盡量讓所謂的調薪能夠跟隨我們的物價然後能夠不要再是所謂的那種隨性施捨式的調薪那應該是要有一個調薪的機制不要說每次都是要看今天政府高興調薪不高興調薪那每次調薪都要吵架一次你認不認同說基本上我們應該讓這個薪資調整法制化這件事情\n\n13\n00:04:42,398 --> 00:05:06,293\n基本上這些方面我想政府有在努力那我想也認同那去年事實上像高考三級去年出任的是大概四萬九那今年已經調到五萬三所以基本上我覺得不是所謂的那個調一次性或集性式的要有一個根據嘛那這樣也能夠服社會大眾嘛如果是按照物價調整你有一個\n\n14\n00:05:07,193 --> 00:05:31,378\n調整的一個機制或是一個公式那就不用說今天高興條就調不高興條就不調所以謝謝剛剛部長認同但是其實部長我跟你講就我自己曾經當過公務員的那個經驗我覺得現在公務員報考人數幾乎是超過腰斬除了說薪資待遇之外我覺得工作尊嚴也是很重要的對不對\n\n15\n00:05:33,496 --> 00:05:50,174\n現在的年輕人比較重視工作跟生活的一個橫頻工作尊嚴大概包括在職場上的專業受不受重視也包括說今天升遷那個前途看不看得到嘛兩項嘛對不對那我就想請教您我看到一篇那個風傳媒的風評\n\n16\n00:05:52,332 --> 00:06:04,381\n他評論說這個我們的公務員為什麼現在就沒有那麼的熱門他就說頑纏文官綠肥貓養好養滿你有聽過這樣的評論嗎我考一個時尚語啦你知道現在年輕人流行一句話叫做這個富貴要人幫辦卡辦這張你知道辦哪一張卡嗎\n\n17\n00:06:17,854 --> 00:06:34,342\n我想我們跟國家考試來選拔人才都是公正公平的我知道你們選拔是公正公平我要跟你講是前途跟尊嚴辦卡辦這張富貴要人幫辦卡辦這張你知道辦哪一張卡嗎不知道告訴你就民進黨黨政\n\n18\n00:06:36,116 --> 00:07:05,054\n為什麼呢事實上在蔡英文總統第一任期她就非常著急把機要任用的政治幕僚大舉進入政府機關修改了中央行政機關組織基準法擴大三級機關的首長政務任用範圍然後也修改駐外外交領事人員任用條例讓非職業外交官的文官得以擔任駐外的比例放寬又修改駐外機構組織通則徵定公使跟副代表則以政務\n\n19\n00:07:05,794 --> 00:07:08,779\n我只想請教你一件事情你知道這對年輕人的影響是什麼嗎?\n\n20\n00:07:21,423 --> 00:07:44,593\n包括我們應考這個裡面沒有這個所謂黨政這個當然你沒有啊可是就是因為你沒有啊所以我發現我不要用今天考試的方式我可能今天只要加入民進黨我得到上面上司的陳鋒的賞賜我就可以跳過你今天辛辛苦苦寒窗十年然後努力苦讀然後\n\n21\n00:07:45,473 --> 00:08:09,006\n拼績效慢慢拼升遷然後上到上面去因為上面的你的政務任用增加你的文官任用就減少啊不是嗎所以我就講第一個為什麼今天跟你講說薪資待遇當然是個問題可是事實上現在公務人員的尊嚴公務人員的前途都受到很大的影響我想要引用一句話就是說\n\n22\n00:08:10,567 --> 00:08:23,167\n我們的民進黨的前副總統呂秀蓮她就曾經說過一句話她徹底反對擴大官派跟政務官的比例為什麼因為她認為這個會破壞我們\n\n23\n00:08:26,191 --> 00:08:41,450\n臺灣長久以來的文官體制我想請問部長你認不認同我們臺灣不管是經濟奇蹟或是我們所謂內政的一些親民跟我們長年穩定的文官體制有很大的關係\n\n24\n00:08:42,811 --> 00:09:09,064\n有沒有很大的關係我們關係當然是國家社會發展很重要因為效忠國家政府嘛他不隨政黨進退嘛所以當他獲得保障之後他也知道說今天我能夠靠我努力服務能夠逐步升前於有一天能夠到所謂的那個我們叫公務人員的頂峰的時候那我覺得前途開拓的話你覺得大家會不會願意更有意願來報考公務員呢\n\n25\n00:09:09,784 --> 00:09:27,696\n所以我們都以公正公平公開的方式來滿足各用人機關的需求我跟部長講恐怕不只你們再努力你可以讓進來的部分公正公平公開但你沒有辦法讓後面的整個升遷的過程公正公平公開跟\n\n26\n00:09:28,795 --> 00:09:49,054\n我今天要跟你講你今天考試院你作為所謂的國家公務人員招考的主管機關你總要了解原因對策嘛對不對所以我這邊我也直接跟各位來報告一下我要來好好幫助文官啦\n\n27\n00:09:50,215 --> 00:10:15,784\n幫助文官就是要恢復我們的文官體制恢復文官的尊嚴所以過去那些錯誤的擴大的政務任用的那種方式我覺得要重盤檢討啦所以換言之今天如果一旦文官他士氣低落文官覺得今天專業不受到重視過去太多例子了政務任用的一些這幾年的一些狀況我舉個例子嘛\n\n28\n00:10:16,124 --> 00:10:16,224\n謝謝羅委員謝謝羅委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n12645\t38152\t主席有請劉秘書長、許部長、周部長好有請秘書長兩位部長我想先請教許部長根據那個考試院質疑統計公務人員報考人數\n40188\t44434\t2012年大概是79.5萬人到2022年只剩下30多萬人10年的減幅達到56%那這背後的原因是什麼考試院有沒有研析過\n58833\t84174\t跟委員報告當然有一部分是少子化的因素還有相關的一些誘因可能有減少外面的工作競爭的機會也多所以誰會來成為公務員事實上以前臺大有一位博士生也做過研究一個就是能力、動機還有機會\n90257\t111987\t我歸納三點您剛剛講的第一個就是說基本上這個待遇問題第二個就是少子化問題第三個是外部的競爭問題那我想要請教您那您都知道待遇你剛剛也是講其中問題之一對不對那我想請教您待遇出了什麼問題\n114331\t116453\t我先講平均總體待遇,不講特別的領域\n134632\t141834\t這個我們近30年軍公教的調薪的幅度民國80年是13%、83年8%、85年5%、90年3%、94年3%、100年3%民國107年3%、民國111年4%、113年4%所以從民國80年到現在開始就是整體漲幅大概41個百分點\n158519\t170331\t那你知道我們近30年的勞工調薪的幅度從這個80年8月1號發布基本工資11040元到現在的條幅大概多少?\n172298\t197014\t到現在30年我跟您講大概22度上漲基本工資調漲近2.5倍那時薪上漲大概是將近3.6倍所以一個是41%一個漲了2.5倍一個漲了3.6倍這是您剛剛提到的事實上待遇的一個面向它其實不只待遇也包括說外部工作競爭機會\n198655\t211113\t我也跟這個部長說我自己也是公務員出身我在以前考過高考那個時候是當時叫搶破頭那原因是當然一個很大的原因就是說覺得工作有保障\n212065\t235539\t所以我們現在有提到之前我們也提到就是說是不是能夠考量到否則像公務員現在的月薪大概是三萬三千八百五十元那勞工基本工資大概是兩萬七千四百七十元雖然起薪當然還是高過於這個勞工底薪剛剛你也講到很多外部因素嘛包括整體福利待遇升遷限制薪資天花板\n235999\t236119\t主席\n251483\t280741\t是不是能夠盡量努力的促成跟人事總書在質詢也有問過就是說盡量讓所謂的調薪能夠跟隨我們的物價然後能夠不要再是所謂的那種隨性施捨式的調薪那應該是要有一個調薪的機制不要說每次都是要看今天政府高興調薪不高興調薪那每次調薪都要吵架一次你認不認同說基本上我們應該讓這個薪資調整法制化這件事情\n282398\t306293\t基本上這些方面我想政府有在努力那我想也認同那去年事實上像高考三級去年出任的是大概四萬九那今年已經調到五萬三所以基本上我覺得不是所謂的那個調一次性或集性式的要有一個根據嘛那這樣也能夠服社會大眾嘛如果是按照物價調整你有一個\n307193\t331378\t調整的一個機制或是一個公式那就不用說今天高興條就調不高興條就不調所以謝謝剛剛部長認同但是其實部長我跟你講就我自己曾經當過公務員的那個經驗我覺得現在公務員報考人數幾乎是超過腰斬除了說薪資待遇之外我覺得工作尊嚴也是很重要的對不對\n333496\t350174\t現在的年輕人比較重視工作跟生活的一個橫頻工作尊嚴大概包括在職場上的專業受不受重視也包括說今天升遷那個前途看不看得到嘛兩項嘛 對不對那我就想請教您我看到一篇那個風傳媒的風評\n352332\t364381\t他評論說 這個我們的公務員為什麼現在就沒有那麼的熱門他就說 頑纏文官 綠肥貓養好養滿你有聽過這樣的評論嗎我考一個時尚語啦 你知道現在年輕人流行一句話叫做這個富貴要人幫辦卡辦這張 你知道辦哪一張卡嗎\n377854\t394342\t我想我們跟國家考試來選拔人才都是公正公平的我知道你們選拔是公正公平我要跟你講是前途跟尊嚴辦卡辦這張富貴要人幫辦卡辦這張你知道辦哪一張卡嗎不知道告訴你就民進黨黨政\n396116\t425054\t為什麼呢事實上在蔡英文總統第一任期她就非常著急把機要任用的政治幕僚大舉進入政府機關修改了中央行政機關組織基準法擴大三級機關的首長政務任用範圍然後也修改駐外外交領事人員任用條例讓非職業外交官的文官得以擔任駐外的比例放寬又修改駐外機構組織通則徵定公使跟副代表則以政務\n425794\t428779\t我只想請教你一件事情你知道這對年輕人的影響是什麼嗎?\n441423\t464593\t包括我們應考這個裡面沒有這個所謂黨政這個當然你沒有啊可是就是因為你沒有啊所以我發現我不要用今天考試的方式我可能今天只要加入民進黨我得到上面上司的陳鋒的賞賜我就可以跳過你今天辛辛苦苦寒窗十年然後努力苦讀然後\n465473\t489006\t拼績效 慢慢拼升遷然後上到上面去因為上面的你的政務任用增加你的文官任用就減少啊不是嗎所以我就講第一個為什麼今天跟你講說薪資待遇當然是個問題可是事實上現在公務人員的尊嚴公務人員的前途都受到很大的影響我想要引用一句話就是說\n490567\t503167\t我們的民進黨的前副總統呂秀蓮她就曾經說過一句話她徹底反對擴大官派跟政務官的比例為什麼因為她認為這個會破壞我們\n506191\t521450\t臺灣長久以來的文官體制我想請問部長你認不認同我們臺灣不管是經濟奇蹟或是我們所謂內政的一些親民跟我們長年穩定的文官體制有很大的關係\n522811\t549064\t有沒有很大的關係我們關係當然是國家社會發展很重要因為效忠國家政府嘛他不隨政黨進退嘛所以當他獲得保障之後他也知道說今天我能夠靠我努力服務能夠逐步升前於有一天能夠到所謂的那個我們叫公務人員的頂峰的時候那我覺得前途開拓的話你覺得大家會不會願意更有意願來報考公務員呢\n549784\t567696\t所以我們都以公正公平公開的方式來滿足各用人機關的需求我跟部長講恐怕不只你們再努力你可以讓進來的部分公正公平公開但你沒有辦法讓後面的整個升遷的過程公正公平公開跟\n568795\t589054\t我今天要跟你講你今天考試院你作為所謂的國家公務人員招考的主管機關你總要了解原因對策嘛 對不對所以我這邊我也直接跟各位來報告一下我要來好好幫助文官啦\n590215\t615784\t幫助文官就是要恢復我們的文官體制恢復文官的尊嚴所以過去那些錯誤的擴大的政務任用的那種方式我覺得要重盤檢討啦所以換言之今天如果一旦文官他士氣低落文官覺得今天專業不受到重視過去太多例子了政務任用的一些這幾年的一些狀況我舉個例子嘛\n616124\t616224\t謝謝羅委員 謝謝羅委員\n","txt":"主席有請劉秘書長、許部長、周部長好有請秘書長兩位部長我想先請教許部長根據那個考試院質疑統計公務人員報考人數\n2012年大概是79.5萬人到2022年只剩下30多萬人10年的減幅達到56%那這背後的原因是什麼考試院有沒有研析過\n跟委員報告當然有一部分是少子化的因素還有相關的一些誘因可能有減少外面的工作競爭的機會也多所以誰會來成為公務員事實上以前臺大有一位博士生也做過研究一個就是能力、動機還有機會\n我歸納三點您剛剛講的第一個就是說基本上這個待遇問題第二個就是少子化問題第三個是外部的競爭問題那我想要請教您那您都知道待遇你剛剛也是講其中問題之一對不對那我想請教您待遇出了什麼問題\n我先講平均總體待遇,不講特別的領域\n這個我們近30年軍公教的調薪的幅度民國80年是13%、83年8%、85年5%、90年3%、94年3%、100年3%民國107年3%、民國111年4%、113年4%所以從民國80年到現在開始就是整體漲幅大概41個百分點\n那你知道我們近30年的勞工調薪的幅度從這個80年8月1號發布基本工資11040元到現在的條幅大概多少?\n到現在30年我跟您講大概22度上漲基本工資調漲近2.5倍那時薪上漲大概是將近3.6倍所以一個是41%一個漲了2.5倍一個漲了3.6倍這是您剛剛提到的事實上待遇的一個面向它其實不只待遇也包括說外部工作競爭機會\n我也跟這個部長說我自己也是公務員出身我在以前考過高考那個時候是當時叫搶破頭那原因是當然一個很大的原因就是說覺得工作有保障\n所以我們現在有提到之前我們也提到就是說是不是能夠考量到否則像公務員現在的月薪大概是三萬三千八百五十元那勞工基本工資大概是兩萬七千四百七十元雖然起薪當然還是高過於這個勞工底薪剛剛你也講到很多外部因素嘛包括整體福利待遇升遷限制薪資天花板\n主席\n是不是能夠盡量努力的促成跟人事總書在質詢也有問過就是說盡量讓所謂的調薪能夠跟隨我們的物價然後能夠不要再是所謂的那種隨性施捨式的調薪那應該是要有一個調薪的機制不要說每次都是要看今天政府高興調薪不高興調薪那每次調薪都要吵架一次你認不認同說基本上我們應該讓這個薪資調整法制化這件事情\n基本上這些方面我想政府有在努力那我想也認同那去年事實上像高考三級去年出任的是大概四萬九那今年已經調到五萬三所以基本上我覺得不是所謂的那個調一次性或集性式的要有一個根據嘛那這樣也能夠服社會大眾嘛如果是按照物價調整你有一個\n調整的一個機制或是一個公式那就不用說今天高興條就調不高興條就不調所以謝謝剛剛部長認同但是其實部長我跟你講就我自己曾經當過公務員的那個經驗我覺得現在公務員報考人數幾乎是超過腰斬除了說薪資待遇之外我覺得工作尊嚴也是很重要的對不對\n現在的年輕人比較重視工作跟生活的一個橫頻工作尊嚴大概包括在職場上的專業受不受重視也包括說今天升遷那個前途看不看得到嘛兩項嘛 對不對那我就想請教您我看到一篇那個風傳媒的風評\n他評論說 這個我們的公務員為什麼現在就沒有那麼的熱門他就說 頑纏文官 綠肥貓養好養滿你有聽過這樣的評論嗎我考一個時尚語啦 你知道現在年輕人流行一句話叫做這個富貴要人幫辦卡辦這張 你知道辦哪一張卡嗎\n我想我們跟國家考試來選拔人才都是公正公平的我知道你們選拔是公正公平我要跟你講是前途跟尊嚴辦卡辦這張富貴要人幫辦卡辦這張你知道辦哪一張卡嗎不知道告訴你就民進黨黨政\n為什麼呢事實上在蔡英文總統第一任期她就非常著急把機要任用的政治幕僚大舉進入政府機關修改了中央行政機關組織基準法擴大三級機關的首長政務任用範圍然後也修改駐外外交領事人員任用條例讓非職業外交官的文官得以擔任駐外的比例放寬又修改駐外機構組織通則徵定公使跟副代表則以政務\n我只想請教你一件事情你知道這對年輕人的影響是什麼嗎?\n包括我們應考這個裡面沒有這個所謂黨政這個當然你沒有啊可是就是因為你沒有啊所以我發現我不要用今天考試的方式我可能今天只要加入民進黨我得到上面上司的陳鋒的賞賜我就可以跳過你今天辛辛苦苦寒窗十年然後努力苦讀然後\n拼績效 慢慢拼升遷然後上到上面去因為上面的你的政務任用增加你的文官任用就減少啊不是嗎所以我就講第一個為什麼今天跟你講說薪資待遇當然是個問題可是事實上現在公務人員的尊嚴公務人員的前途都受到很大的影響我想要引用一句話就是說\n我們的民進黨的前副總統呂秀蓮她就曾經說過一句話她徹底反對擴大官派跟政務官的比例為什麼因為她認為這個會破壞我們\n臺灣長久以來的文官體制我想請問部長你認不認同我們臺灣不管是經濟奇蹟或是我們所謂內政的一些親民跟我們長年穩定的文官體制有很大的關係\n有沒有很大的關係我們關係當然是國家社會發展很重要因為效忠國家政府嘛他不隨政黨進退嘛所以當他獲得保障之後他也知道說今天我能夠靠我努力服務能夠逐步升前於有一天能夠到所謂的那個我們叫公務人員的頂峰的時候那我覺得前途開拓的話你覺得大家會不會願意更有意願來報考公務員呢\n所以我們都以公正公平公開的方式來滿足各用人機關的需求我跟部長講恐怕不只你們再努力你可以讓進來的部分公正公平公開但你沒有辦法讓後面的整個升遷的過程公正公平公開跟\n我今天要跟你講你今天考試院你作為所謂的國家公務人員招考的主管機關你總要了解原因對策嘛 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