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00:00:53,555\n秘書長好部長好其實我要問的問題其實剛剛羅委員有稍微點到有一些救教秘書長跟部長那鐵飯碗不香了這幾年公務人員的報考人數這10年大減了一半56%而報考率地方特考也只有六成而已那麼另外我們的很多類科入取不足額53科類科沒有人來入取大部分都在三等到四等的工程類職缺\n\n3\n00:00:56,007 --> 00:00:57,488\n請問秘書長或部長你怎麼看待這些現象?\n\n4\n00:01:26,112 --> 00:01:44,669\n公務員報告補充一個資訊大家都會習慣把民國99年到101年的公務員報考的人數來跟現在做一個對照不過我要強調那個是一個近20年來的高峰期所以那個時候現在是那個反而是經濟環境高峰好那時候可能外面的經濟比較\n\n5\n00:01:46,050 --> 00:01:47,111\n某些執域有非常嚴重的落差問題\n\n6\n00:02:15,623 --> 00:02:32,649\n很好部長也同意嗎同意那請問我們公務人員鳳吉是哪個部管的鳳吉是全序部全序部來另外也跟任總的那個鳳點齊在那請周部長一起來這個不好意思那請考試院部長請回好那麼周部長\n\n7\n00:02:33,988 --> 00:02:34,008\n韓國瑜\n\n8\n00:02:51,397 --> 00:03:15,391\n有請對著麥克風其實我小時候我們家住的是宿舍國營事業配給的宿舍吃的是母親教師的糧票我叫小口母親叫大口那糧票是什麼呢就是我們的儲糧推陳出新的時候就拿糧票去換那因為不好吃後來很多人反應就該睡改發待經這段歷史部長也了解吧\n\n9\n00:03:16,342 --> 00:03:44,690\n對過去確實是這樣那宿舍後來公務員不配給宿舍了因為人數多也蓋不出來大家都在外面買房子所以改成了貸金券跟現金補貼變成了津貼加擠是不是這樣對後來在診病所以公務人員的加擠其實早期有實務的加擠後來都改成用現金加擠那請問如果用這個方式來看如果有住的地方來滿足公務員的居住需求你認為類似這樣的實務加擠有沒有可能提高國考的報考人數或降低基層公務員的離職率\n\n10\n00:03:45,538 --> 00:03:50,662\n長期人力不足的地區部門或偏向公務員有沒有可能現在政府在推設宅有沒有可能幫這些地方來提供以設宅的方式提高給基層公務員或偏向公務員這樣一個居住的滿足我舉例來講\n\n11\n00:04:14,199 --> 00:04:38,383\n過去我們很多地方都有什麼教師會館墾丁的最夯後來墾丁教育館誰在住啊都是觀光客在住景觀會館屏東縣政府把這個教師館改建之後提供給包括牡丹、滿洲還有恆春的國小教師因為他們流動比較高在那裡觀光地區民宿很貴啊所以給他們住你覺得這個有沒有必要\n\n12\n00:04:40,139 --> 00:05:08,726\n可能偏鄉的狀況應該會有一些居住上面的需求啦如果地方政府沒有這個資源去滿足大家的是的包括我們看到在中和社宅他是全台灣第一座給警消的社會住宅讓基層的警消因為警消他們要長時間備勤啊勤一休二啊幾乎呢他們都住在一起互相遭遇你覺得如果國家或政府來提供這樣子有沒有有助於我們公務人員的待遇的提升他的條件的改善\n\n13\n00:05:09,326 --> 00:05:22,855\n我想對公務員生活協助越多當然就是誘因越高啦這個我們可以跟行政院來討論是的那但是過去呢也回顧歷史還有宿舍被佔用的情況啦過去我印象當中呢最常佔用的就是學校的宿舍\n\n14\n00:05:23,814 --> 00:05:24,194\n委員會主任委員會主任\n\n15\n00:05:53,605 --> 00:06:07,802\n我們可以跟內政部這邊來交換意見涉宅現在的數量還在持續擴充當中為什麼今天考試院不是只有做修法的報告還要做很多業務的報告因為你們的業務很多跟行政院息息相關對不對\n\n16\n00:06:09,263 --> 00:06:35,213\n好那另外呢就是新的部分現在年輕人不管當不當公務員都兩個問題一個是居住的問題一個是新的問題我們常常說啊你不能用香蕉齁來請獅子來上工啊我們現在公務人員待遇呢大概是這樣子有公務人員因為繼承不同有的是猴子有的是獅子我們的專業家級呢獅子就比較多猴子給一根香蕉獅子的專業家級給三根香蕉你覺得這樣獅子會來上班嗎\n\n17\n00:06:38,204 --> 00:07:02,905\n是我了解委員的意思這個當然對於專業佳績尤其要看它的市場價值對的目前我們公務人員待遇的專業佳績的思維是自己往內互比公務人員當中你的專業證照比較高你的佳績比較多你一般的就一般比較低但是你給獅子三根香蕉給猴子一根香蕉獅子不會來因為外面的花豹是吃肉的所以你們應該把你們的專業佳績往\n\n18\n00:07:04,746 --> 00:07:30,893\n業界往外來對比才對,部長同不同意?很同意嘛,所以是不是這樣思考一下那為什麼呢,我要把部長請下來因為專業家級的比較呢,你應該跟業界比政府機關、公務員是在跟業界搶人土木技師、建築師外界的薪水很高所以你的專業家級不能拿來跟我們公務員內部來比三根香蕉跟一根香蕉比,你們了解嘛\n\n19\n00:07:31,493 --> 00:07:31,853\n委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任\n\n20\n00:07:52,202 --> 00:07:52,902\n委員會主任委員會主任\n\n21\n00:08:15,433 --> 00:08:38,784\n第4條第二款要加入同業薪資的待遇比較因為你們這寫什麼所需資格條件局人力供需市場狀況寫得很籠統第三項地域加擠要包括什麼居住條件第14條也要把各種的加擠的數額跟給予的方式數額就是金額但是給予的方式有多種有實務有代金可不要放進去\n\n22\n00:08:40,128 --> 00:09:01,315\n可以委員的建議我們會讓好所以最後秘書長我要拜託因為的確考試院主管的法律要修改的不多有些是卡到院跟院的協調所以我希望你們跟任總研議為入許不足的單位及偏鄉精神公務員提供涉財的可行性先做個評估未來有什麼需要去改修法的再提出來可以嗎\n\n23\n00:09:03,125 --> 00:09:03,685\n專業家級與業界比較﹑使專業人員的薪資與業界相仿﹑可行性\n\n24\n00:09:31,596 --> 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