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00:02:09,612\n所以我們勞動部跟監察院的這個看起來好像互相矛盾我想請教就是勞動部針對這個部分就是說有沒有什麼樣補充說明或者是我們的跨部會合作怎樣來改善這個移工失聯的這個做法\n\n6\n00:02:09,972 --> 00:02:31,494\n其實報告委員移工失聯問題那個原因很多啦吼像這邊嚴建山說低薪要滅老我們講的這個這個部分當然是其中之一啦吼包括說也說到經濟因素啦或者他勞動環境等等這個也都都是有那其實在院裡面針對這個問題其實都是召集跨部會是在做討論吼就是說這個對策戰而且像\n\n7\n00:02:33,796 --> 00:02:49,157\n國際三年的疫情造成整個移工失聯人數飆升所以到底要如何把它降下來我們也在前年其實開了好幾次的這個跨部會的會議所以去年是有降下來去年有降了從2.9就降下來\n\n8\n00:02:49,537 --> 00:03:04,649\n部長你之前說就是鼓勵合法的聘僱然後就引進譬如說這個農業移工需要可能一些更多的這個移工進來幫忙那你們這邊也樂觀其成也開放那可是這樣子的話確實有減少這樣的移工的這個失聯的這個狀況嗎有這個有幫助\n\n9\n00:03:09,313 --> 00:03:36,087\n其實報告委員因為我們適度的就是把這個名額增加了其實農業外勞農業移工是從那個疫情前我們的6000放到12000放到12000那包括很多失聯移工他會跑到民間的營造業過去沒有開放的我們去年也開了所以我覺得合法的聘僱會讓失聯的人數因為他可以合法聘僱我想僱主也不要冒險他也不願意去冒險所以\n\n10\n00:03:38,169 --> 00:04:01,187\n將來這個呃我想這個合法的移工能夠引進之後那再加上我們現在疫情的也好趨緩的整個邊境管制都都解除都可以正常進來我想整個移工失聯的狀況應該會再好那那針對監察院的這一個報告裡面他還有寫低薪又虐饒齁那如果如果真的後面這個狀況的話那真的是部分齁那個\n\n11\n00:04:01,987 --> 00:04:25,445\n報告委員主要是家庭的看護工因為他家庭不是用勞基法其實本國的家庭看護一樣也不是用勞基法本國本外籍的勞工通通是平等待遇所以過去只有一萬七所以在前年我們也把他調升到兩萬讓他能夠跟市場的行情比較一致\n\n12\n00:04:28,468 --> 00:04:56,149\n這也是慢慢的去解決低薪的問題那當然那還有這個休假的部分過勞我們有因為看護工確實24小時就都在這個家庭裡面嘛我們有喘息服務我們現在他家庭的看護工他一年可以52次就有52天的休息時間那配合喘息服務這個經費都是勞動部支持的所以就是希望能夠改善這個\n\n13\n00:04:57,170 --> 00:05:24,915\n而勞工的這個移工的這個呃過勞的情形吼那再來就是說當然那個虐噢虐勞的問題吼雇主不當對待我們也強化吼檢舉吼我們1955專線也讓我們的移工透過多元的宣傳管道用不同的語言讓他們知道包括現在一再式的服務中心一進來我們就會告訴他你的勞動權益你怎麼求助你的申訴管道通通讓他們知道我想這樣會降低這個吼虐待的一個情勢啦\n\n14\n00:05:26,155 --> 00:05:55,163\n其實我們看到臺灣不論是產業移工或者是我們這個家庭看護移工其實他們到臺灣來一方面也是這個滿懷著憧憬希望到這個環境來就是最主要也要賺錢嘛那改善他們母國的可能這個整個經濟狀況那我們希望就是說他來到臺灣整個工作的環境也許需要這個我們這個雇主還有政府這邊要互相\n\n15\n00:05:55,743 --> 00:05:57,965\n我相信我們大部分的僱主都是善待移工的啦但是\n\n16\n00:06:24,181 --> 00:06:41,810\n也不好還是有些人吼對這個這個我們的移工沒有很吼這個合理的對待吼甚至虐虐待吼我覺得都不應該啦我覺得說大家可能在心態上觀念上要做一些改變吼就是說雇主你應該他來當然是要賺錢沒有問題但是他也\n\n17\n00:06:42,570 --> 00:07:07,008\n幫忙你不管是家庭的一些照顧等等我們應該是一個感恩的心把它當一個家人這樣對待我相信就不會有虐待的問題再來就是在勞動部的部分我們就是透過我們的家庭訪視我們那個訪有訪視員訪查員我們各地方政府我們補助他訪查員就是加強訪查再來就是移工很重要受到虐待他一定要申訴他一定要勇敢站出來\n\n18\n00:07:07,788 --> 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這個有幫助\n其實報告委員因為我們適度的就是把這個名額增加了其實農業外勞農業移工是從那個疫情前我們的6000放到12000放到12000那包括很多失聯移工他會跑到民間的營造業過去沒有開放的我們去年也開了所以我覺得合法的聘僱會讓失聯的人數因為他可以合法聘僱我想僱主也不要冒險他也不願意去冒險所以\n將來這個呃我想這個合法的移工能夠引進之後那再加上我們現在疫情的也好趨緩的整個邊境管制都都解除都可以正常進來我想整個移工失聯的狀況應該會再好那那針對監察院的這一個報告裡面他還有寫低薪又虐饒齁那如果如果真的後面這個狀況的話那真的是部分齁那個\n報告委員主要是家庭的看護工因為他家庭不是用勞基法其實本國的家庭看護一樣也不是用勞基法本國本外籍的勞工通通是平等待遇所以過去只有一萬七所以在前年我們也把他調升到兩萬讓他能夠跟市場的行情比較一致\n這也是慢慢的去解決低薪的問題那當然那還有這個休假的部分過勞我們有 因為看護工確實24小時就都在這個家庭裡面嘛我們有喘息服務我們現在他家庭的看護工他一年可以52次就有52天的休息時間那配合喘息服務這個經費都是勞動部支持的所以就是希望能夠改善這個\n而勞工的這個移工的這個呃過勞的情形吼那再來就是說當然那個虐噢虐勞的問題吼雇主不當對待我們也強化吼檢舉吼我們1955專線也讓我們的移工透過多元的宣傳管道用不同的語言讓他們知道包括現在一再式的服務中心一進來我們就會告訴他你的勞動權益你怎麼求助你的申訴管道通通讓他們知道我想這樣會降低這個吼虐待的一個情勢啦\n其實我們看到臺灣不論是產業移工或者是我們這個家庭看護移工其實他們到臺灣來一方面也是這個滿懷著憧憬希望到這個環境來就是最主要也要賺錢嘛那改善他們母國的可能這個整個經濟狀況那我們希望就是說他來到臺灣整個工作的環境也許需要這個我們這個雇主還有政府這邊要互相\n我相信我們大部分的僱主都是善待移工的啦但是\n也不好還是有些人吼對這個這個我們的移工沒有很吼這個合理的對待吼甚至虐虐待吼我覺得都不應該啦我覺得說大家可能在心態上觀念上要做一些改變吼就是說雇主你應該他來當然是要賺錢沒有問題但是他也\n幫忙你不管是家庭的一些照顧等等我們應該是一個感恩的心把它當一個家人這樣對待我相信就不會有虐待的問題再來就是在勞動部的部分我們就是透過我們的家庭訪視我們那個訪有訪視員訪查員我們各地方政府我們補助他訪查員就是加強訪查再來就是移工很重要受到虐待他一定要申訴他一定要勇敢站出來\n你聲述我們一定會查辦到底,一定絕不寬待,用這樣的方式去阻止這個虐待移工的情勢來一再的發生。其實我會覺得說這個產業移工的部分可能還沒有那麼嚴重。我覺得說這個看護工的部分是比較嚴重的一個問題。\n對因為第一個就是說薪資可能跟場工比起來是有一些落差那另外場工的話他還有工作可能8小時之後是加班就是可以加班嘛有加班費那這個看護工的話他可能也沒有這樣的一個加班費可以請領所以有很多看護工其實他一段時間之後他可能有的會受到一些影響可能有的就逃跑那我們當然就是說這個\n看護工的話其實未來也是我們很重要的一個看護的一個長道一個很重要的一個主力因為很多家庭他確實需要這樣子看護移工來幫忙所以我們也希望就是說從政策方面能夠讓這些這個看護移工到台灣來他一方面雖然說薪資可能跟長工還是有一些落差可是如果說他的整個工作環境有改善的話我覺得他還是會願意\n來擔任我們這樣的一個非常重要的一個這個整個長照體系其中的一環所以我也希望就是說勞動部可能跟各部會還是要繼續努力尤其是監察院這樣寫我都覺得說這個\n黃秀芳委員的諮詢,謝謝部長的答詢。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.036 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