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00:01:32,490\n一年新住民的人數對沒關係這個這個沒關係我大概跟這個部長講我們經過我們的70萬\n\n5\n00:01:40,256 --> 00:01:57,732\n欸他是總共總共我們新住民的人數喔內政部統計喔是59萬多啦那所以他在去年的部分針對新住民喔已經超越了我們的原住民那加上如果新二代喔已經超過百萬人\n\n6\n00:01:58,533 --> 00:02:24,580\n所以有人說去年112年可以說是新住民元年表示下新住民在我們台灣的人口數是非常非常的多那我想針對我們這59萬多的新住民朋友請問一下我們勞動部跟勞發署有沒有針對他們就業促進服務還有措施職業信念等等有沒有針對他們來提供這些的服務有有\n\n7\n00:02:26,172 --> 00:02:49,655\n我們有定一些計畫還有那個作業的要點還針對新住民的這個職業訓練就業媒合等等都有提供相關的信息對那就是針對我們促進新住民我有看過我們有促進新住民作業補助作業要點那當然也針對新住民也開了一些專班\n\n8\n00:02:50,856 --> 00:03:16,005\n當然表示我們勞動部在這一方面還是有在努力可是我們今天要講的重點說當然我們原住民的部分當然我們也需要照顧那現在新住民的部分人口數也這麼多那但是他的就業服務法裡面針對特定對象跟就業弱勢者這個母法裡面並沒有對他有特別的照顧所以我想說\n\n9\n00:03:17,743 --> 00:03:30,354\n這一部分我們599萬多裡面因為這裡面我們發現有一些缺失59萬多裡面我們大概有14萬多超過20%的部分是我們這個要點沒有辦法照顧到的\n\n10\n00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:50,252\n那就是說我們這些外配啊當他規劃成為我們中華民國國民之後他這些你們公佈的這些作業的要點就不能照顧到他\n\n11\n00:03:50,953 --> 00:04:12,741\n那這裡面我們目前大概有21萬多的外配就是印尼馬來西亞菲律賓越南等等這些外配他有20萬人但是他規劃之後就這些要點就沒有辦法照顧他這個比例非常高大概有七成所以想說針對我們\n\n12\n00:04:14,842 --> 00:04:42,752\n這一部分是不是我們有注意到這一部分因為有很多的他們反映結果規劃以後應該福利更好結果他規劃以後反而這些沒有照顧到他像我們很多的新住民的專班職業訓練津貼等等所以變成他們到時間到以後他可以領身份證他法要考慮了所以我不知道說我們勞動部針對這一部分有沒有注意到\n\n13\n00:04:43,452 --> 00:05:09,393\n我這個部分來做一個回答其實跟委員報告這個我們的新住民他規劃以後他就是我們的國人他所有的這些就業就適用我們就業服務法相關的權益都是依照就業服務法所以是ok的沒有問題我們現在就業服務法是針對國人因為新住民不適用我們才另外訂一個新住民的補助所以剛好因為這我們也有演繹到\n\n14\n00:05:10,134 --> 00:05:34,116\n因為新住民其他加入勞保農保的比例其實非常低大概只有五成那所以這個新住民他到時候加入這個就業保險法的比例我們絕對不是很樂觀而且他這裡面有四分之一的像自營作業無酬家屬的工作者還有雇主的身份這些是完全照顧不到的\n\n15\n00:05:34,716 --> 00:05:52,975\n瓜哥委員因為他規劃以後他就是本國人了所以他就所有的他就比如說他如果受雇勞工他就是勞救保他的雇主就要幫他投保他如果是自營作業者或無一定雇主那他可以加入職業工會我們今天的重點就是說\n\n16\n00:05:54,036 --> 00:06:09,608\n就是因為他們有提出就是說他規劃以後其實他的各方面的照顧福利反而是低的所以所以你們去研議一下他說可以領身份證的時候反而要考慮所以我覺得這也很奇怪再來講規劃成為國民應該是好的\n\n17\n00:06:12,470 --> 00:06:29,622\n結果他認為說可以領身份證反而規劃以後各項福利是差的所以他可以領身份證反而考慮不要領所以我覺得說就像我們蔡英文總統這個新南向政策希望我們這新住民融入我們的台灣的社會那今天有這個要點\n\n18\n00:06:30,783 --> 00:06:48,984\n好反而針對這些規劃以後他們覺得反而成為國民以後各項的福利補助反而減少所以我就希望我們勞動部針對這一部分你們可能要去研議一下可能這個我覺得有一些可能有疏漏所以今天我們會提案\n\n19\n00:06:50,265 --> 00:07:07,001\n修正促進新住民就業補助作業要點需要放寬適用規劃的外國人還有要求勞動部要進行年度新住民就業狀況的檢查因為我們針對這個原住民的部分就業調查\n\n20\n00:07:07,982 --> 00:07:22,268\n我們每一季做一次可是針對新住民我們是五年做一次所以我覺得這五年做一次可能針對整體新住民現在人口這麼眾多五年做一次可能沒有辦法確實的掌握他們的狀況\n\n21\n00:07:23,808 --> 00:07:39,061\n還有我們原住民現在有原住民基本法可是新住民現在只有作業要點還有救福法的服務對象針對這些部分我們希望來研議一下針對這部分我們注意一下看是不是有機會來加強還有我請問一下我們部長我們當初有講2028我們\n\n22\n00:07:47,574 --> 00:08:09,250\n老保說我們這個會基金會破產那當初我記得2020年我們部長也有講當然上來你就希望來做那個老保的年改那可是當初你說上來的時候要做這個年改可是這4年過去我想請問一下你的改革方案在哪裡\n\n23\n00:08:10,104 --> 00:08:25,466\n報告委員其實那個因為勞保年改的部分會牽涉到千萬勞工的權益還有也涉及到60萬的投保單位所以這個部分其實各方的意見都不同因為我們有一些調整的方向\n\n24\n00:08:27,188 --> 00:08:45,813\n各界都表達不同因為我們現在擔心你說2028會破產那2020我們是110年做的精算報告今年還會再做一次我們每三年做一次這是給政府一個參考說推估我們的基金用慶的時間點但是我跟委員報告就是說我們這幾年當然要推我想勞保財務的問題我們非常重視只是說\n\n25\n00:08:53,655 --> 00:09:16,097\n我們就是有共識的先做因為我們也相信我們部長講所以很多的勞工當然也擔心2028這個會破產的問題那當然2020我們部長上任的時候也信誓旦旦說不惜丟掉烏紗帽也要來做這個年改然後你在9月的時候也說要求要在年底\n\n26\n00:09:16,917 --> 00:09:44,588\n勞動部要提出這個草案這個當初那個部長都有接受採訪都有說出這些可是我們發現4年過去真的還是沒有看到這改革方案那眼看著2028就要到了而且現在部長我也不知道說520部長的去留所以我現在很擔心剩下大概4年的時間我們這個勞保年改的問題我們希望能夠好好處理不要讓這些我們勞工的權益來受損\n\n27\n00:09:45,188 --> 00:10:04,648\n方委員這個放心勞動部一定會持續來努力我們現在先首要是先把勞保基金的財務讓它能夠穩定然後其他的面向我們還會持續跟勞資團體各界來溝通也聽取大家的意見有關於說要怎麼來改革或者說要怎麼來推動\n\n28\n00:10:05,328 --> 00:10:05,448\n謝謝涂權吉委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4017\t20022\t好謝謝請我們部長請許部長杜委員好\n33164\t59090\t部長本席也是來自我們桃園的立委因為我們桃園現在是一個移工的城市全台灣我們外籍移工裡面有六分之一的都選擇在桃園所以我們現在桃園大概外籍移工就超過11萬桃園也是一個移民的城市目前桃園針對我們外配的比例在去年\n60170\t87115\t這個比例已經達到我們超越新北已經達到第一所以這一陣子收到很多越南印尼很多我們外籍新住民群體針對他們相關就業跟職業訓練的部分有提出一些問題那剛好今天來請教一下部長跟我們署長請問一下那個部長大概知道我們去年112年我們新住民人數大概有多少\n88467\t92490\t一年新住民的人數對沒關係這個這個沒關係我大概跟這個部長講我們經過我們的70萬\n100256\t117732\t欸他是總共總共我們新住民的人數喔內政部統計喔是59萬多啦那所以他在去年的部分針對新住民喔已經超越了我們的原住民那加上如果新二代喔已經超過百萬人\n118533\t144580\t所以有人說去年112年可以說是新住民元年表示下新住民在我們台灣的人口數是非常非常的多那我想針對我們這59萬多的新住民朋友請問一下我們勞動部跟勞發署有沒有針對他們就業促進服務還有措施職業信念等等有沒有針對他們來提供這些的服務有有\n146172\t169655\t我們有定一些計畫還有那個作業的要點還針對新住民的這個職業訓練就業媒合等等都有提供相關的信息對那就是針對我們促進新住民我有看過我們有促進新住民作業補助作業要點那當然也針對新住民也開了一些專班\n170856\t196005\t當然表示我們勞動部在這一方面還是有在努力可是我們今天要講的重點說當然我們原住民的部分當然我們也需要照顧那現在新住民的部分人口數也這麼多那但是他的就業服務法裡面針對特定對象跟就業弱勢者這個母法裡面並沒有對他有特別的照顧所以我想說\n197743\t210354\t這一部分我們599萬多裡面因為這裡面我們發現有一些缺失59萬多裡面我們大概有14萬多超過20%的部分是我們這個要點沒有辦法照顧到的\n215680\t230252\t那就是說我們這些外配啊當他規劃成為我們中華民國國民之後他這些你們公佈的這些作業的要點就不能照顧到他\n230953\t252741\t那這裡面我們目前大概有21萬多的外配就是印尼馬來西亞菲律賓越南等等這些外配他有20萬人但是他規劃之後就這些要點就沒有辦法照顧他這個比例非常高大概有七成所以想說針對我們\n254842\t282752\t這一部分是不是我們有注意到這一部分因為有很多的他們反映結果規劃以後應該福利更好結果他規劃以後反而這些沒有照顧到他像我們很多的新住民的專班職業訓練津貼等等所以變成他們到時間到以後他可以領身份證他法要考慮了所以我不知道說我們勞動部針對這一部分有沒有注意到\n283452\t309393\t我這個部分來做一個回答其實跟委員報告這個我們的新住民他規劃以後他就是我們的國人他所有的這些就業就適用我們就業服務法相關的權益都是依照就業服務法所以是ok的沒有問題我們現在就業服務法是針對國人因為新住民不適用我們才另外訂一個新住民的補助所以剛好因為這我們也有演繹到\n310134\t334116\t因為新住民其他加入勞保農保的比例其實非常低大概只有五成那所以這個新住民他到時候加入這個就業保險法的比例我們絕對不是很樂觀而且他這裡面有四分之一的像自營作業無酬家屬的工作者還有雇主的身份這些是完全照顧不到的\n334716\t352975\t瓜哥委員因為他規劃以後他就是本國人了所以他就所有的他就比如說他如果受雇勞工他就是勞救保他的雇主就要幫他投保他如果是自營作業者或無一定雇主那他可以加入職業工會我們今天的重點就是說\n354036\t369608\t就是因為他們有提出就是說他規劃以後其實他的各方面的照顧福利反而是低的所以所以你們去研議一下他說可以領身份證的時候反而要考慮所以我覺得這也很奇怪再來講規劃成為國民應該是好的\n372470\t389622\t結果他認為說可以領身份證反而規劃以後各項福利是差的所以他可以領身份證反而考慮不要領所以我覺得說就像我們蔡英文總統這個新南向政策希望我們這新住民融入我們的台灣的社會那今天有這個要點\n390783\t408984\t好反而針對這些規劃以後他們覺得反而成為國民以後各項的福利補助反而減少所以我就希望我們勞動部針對這一部分你們可能要去研議一下可能這個我覺得有一些可能有疏漏所以今天我們會提案\n410265\t427001\t修正促進新住民就業補助作業要點需要放寬適用規劃的外國人還有要求勞動部要進行年度新住民就業狀況的檢查因為我們針對這個原住民的部分就業調查\n427982\t442268\t我們每一季做一次可是針對新住民我們是五年做一次所以我覺得這五年做一次可能針對整體新住民現在人口這麼眾多五年做一次可能沒有辦法確實的掌握他們的狀況\n443808\t459061\t還有我們原住民現在有原住民基本法可是新住民現在只有作業要點還有救福法的服務對象針對這些部分我們希望來研議一下針對這部分我們注意一下看是不是有機會來加強還有我請問一下我們部長我們當初有講2028我們\n467574\t489250\t老保說我們這個會基金會破產那當初我記得2020年我們部長也有講當然上來你就希望來做那個老保的年改那可是當初你說上來的時候要做這個年改可是這4年過去我想請問一下你的改革方案在哪裡\n490104\t505466\t報告委員其實那個因為勞保年改的部分會牽涉到千萬勞工的權益還有也涉及到60萬的投保單位所以這個部分其實各方的意見都不同因為我們有一些調整的方向\n507188\t525813\t各界都表達不同因為我們現在擔心你說2028會破產那2020我們是110年做的精算報告今年還會再做一次我們每三年做一次這是給政府一個參考說推估我們的基金用慶的時間點但是我跟委員報告就是說我們這幾年當然要推我想勞保財務的問題我們非常重視只是說\n533655\t556097\t我們就是有共識的先做因為我們也相信我們部長講所以很多的勞工當然也擔心2028這個會破產的問題那當然2020我們部長上任的時候也信誓旦旦說不惜丟掉烏紗帽也要來做這個年改然後你在9月的時候也說要求要在年底\n556917\t584588\t勞動部要提出這個草案這個當初那個部長都有接受採訪都有說出這些可是我們發現4年過去真的還是沒有看到這改革方案那眼看著2028就要到了而且現在部長我也不知道說520部長的去留所以我現在很擔心剩下大概4年的時間我們這個勞保年改的問題我們希望能夠好好處理不要讓這些我們勞工的權益來受損\n585188\t604648\t方委員這個放心勞動部一定會持續來努力我們現在先首要是先把勞保基金的財務讓它能夠穩定然後其他的面向我們還會持續跟勞資團體各界來溝通也聽取大家的意見有關於說要怎麼來改革或者說要怎麼來推動\n605328\t605448\t謝謝涂權吉委員\n","txt":"好謝謝請我們部長請許部長杜委員好\n部長本席也是來自我們桃園的立委因為我們桃園現在是一個移工的城市全台灣我們外籍移工裡面有六分之一的都選擇在桃園所以我們現在桃園大概外籍移工就超過11萬桃園也是一個移民的城市目前桃園針對我們外配的比例在去年\n這個比例已經達到我們超越新北已經達到第一所以這一陣子收到很多越南印尼很多我們外籍新住民群體針對他們相關就業跟職業訓練的部分有提出一些問題那剛好今天來請教一下部長跟我們署長請問一下那個部長大概知道我們去年112年我們新住民人數大概有多少\n一年新住民的人數對沒關係這個這個沒關係我大概跟這個部長講我們經過我們的70萬\n欸他是總共總共我們新住民的人數喔內政部統計喔是59萬多啦那所以他在去年的部分針對新住民喔已經超越了我們的原住民那加上如果新二代喔已經超過百萬人\n所以有人說去年112年可以說是新住民元年表示下新住民在我們台灣的人口數是非常非常的多那我想針對我們這59萬多的新住民朋友請問一下我們勞動部跟勞發署有沒有針對他們就業促進服務還有措施職業信念等等有沒有針對他們來提供這些的服務有有\n我們有定一些計畫還有那個作業的要點還針對新住民的這個職業訓練就業媒合等等都有提供相關的信息對那就是針對我們促進新住民我有看過我們有促進新住民作業補助作業要點那當然也針對新住民也開了一些專班\n當然表示我們勞動部在這一方面還是有在努力可是我們今天要講的重點說當然我們原住民的部分當然我們也需要照顧那現在新住民的部分人口數也這麼多那但是他的就業服務法裡面針對特定對象跟就業弱勢者這個母法裡面並沒有對他有特別的照顧所以我想說\n這一部分我們599萬多裡面因為這裡面我們發現有一些缺失59萬多裡面我們大概有14萬多超過20%的部分是我們這個要點沒有辦法照顧到的\n那就是說我們這些外配啊當他規劃成為我們中華民國國民之後他這些你們公佈的這些作業的要點就不能照顧到他\n那這裡面我們目前大概有21萬多的外配就是印尼馬來西亞菲律賓越南等等這些外配他有20萬人但是他規劃之後就這些要點就沒有辦法照顧他這個比例非常高大概有七成所以想說針對我們\n這一部分是不是我們有注意到這一部分因為有很多的他們反映結果規劃以後應該福利更好結果他規劃以後反而這些沒有照顧到他像我們很多的新住民的專班職業訓練津貼等等所以變成他們到時間到以後他可以領身份證他法要考慮了所以我不知道說我們勞動部針對這一部分有沒有注意到\n我這個部分來做一個回答其實跟委員報告這個我們的新住民他規劃以後他就是我們的國人他所有的這些就業就適用我們就業服務法相關的權益都是依照就業服務法所以是ok的沒有問題我們現在就業服務法是針對國人因為新住民不適用我們才另外訂一個新住民的補助所以剛好因為這我們也有演繹到\n因為新住民其他加入勞保農保的比例其實非常低大概只有五成那所以這個新住民他到時候加入這個就業保險法的比例我們絕對不是很樂觀而且他這裡面有四分之一的像自營作業無酬家屬的工作者還有雇主的身份這些是完全照顧不到的\n瓜哥委員因為他規劃以後他就是本國人了所以他就所有的他就比如說他如果受雇勞工他就是勞救保他的雇主就要幫他投保他如果是自營作業者或無一定雇主那他可以加入職業工會我們今天的重點就是說\n就是因為他們有提出就是說他規劃以後其實他的各方面的照顧福利反而是低的所以所以你們去研議一下他說可以領身份證的時候反而要考慮所以我覺得這也很奇怪再來講規劃成為國民應該是好的\n結果他認為說可以領身份證反而規劃以後各項福利是差的所以他可以領身份證反而考慮不要領所以我覺得說就像我們蔡英文總統這個新南向政策希望我們這新住民融入我們的台灣的社會那今天有這個要點\n好反而針對這些規劃以後他們覺得反而成為國民以後各項的福利補助反而減少所以我就希望我們勞動部針對這一部分你們可能要去研議一下可能這個我覺得有一些可能有疏漏所以今天我們會提案\n修正促進新住民就業補助作業要點需要放寬適用規劃的外國人還有要求勞動部要進行年度新住民就業狀況的檢查因為我們針對這個原住民的部分就業調查\n我們每一季做一次可是針對新住民我們是五年做一次所以我覺得這五年做一次可能針對整體新住民現在人口這麼眾多五年做一次可能沒有辦法確實的掌握他們的狀況\n還有我們原住民現在有原住民基本法可是新住民現在只有作業要點還有救福法的服務對象針對這些部分我們希望來研議一下針對這部分我們注意一下看是不是有機會來加強還有我請問一下我們部長我們當初有講2028我們\n老保說我們這個會基金會破產那當初我記得2020年我們部長也有講當然上來你就希望來做那個老保的年改那可是當初你說上來的時候要做這個年改可是這4年過去我想請問一下你的改革方案在哪裡\n報告委員其實那個因為勞保年改的部分會牽涉到千萬勞工的權益還有也涉及到60萬的投保單位所以這個部分其實各方的意見都不同因為我們有一些調整的方向\n各界都表達不同因為我們現在擔心你說2028會破產那2020我們是110年做的精算報告今年還會再做一次我們每三年做一次這是給政府一個參考說推估我們的基金用慶的時間點但是我跟委員報告就是說我們這幾年當然要推我想勞保財務的問題我們非常重視只是說\n我們就是有共識的先做因為我們也相信我們部長講所以很多的勞工當然也擔心2028這個會破產的問題那當然2020我們部長上任的時候也信誓旦旦說不惜丟掉烏紗帽也要來做這個年改然後你在9月的時候也說要求要在年底\n勞動部要提出這個草案這個當初那個部長都有接受採訪都有說出這些可是我們發現4年過去真的還是沒有看到這改革方案那眼看著2028就要到了而且現在部長我也不知道說520部長的去留所以我現在很擔心剩下大概4年的時間我們這個勞保年改的問題我們希望能夠好好處理不要讓這些我們勞工的權益來受損\n方委員這個放心勞動部一定會持續來努力我們現在先首要是先把勞保基金的財務讓它能夠穩定然後其他的面向我們還會持續跟勞資團體各界來溝通也聽取大家的意見有關於說要怎麼來改革或者說要怎麼來推動\n謝謝涂權吉委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.017 --> 00:20.022\n好謝謝請我們部長請許部長杜委員好\n\n00:33.164 --> 00:59.090\n部長本席也是來自我們桃園的立委因為我們桃園現在是一個移工的城市全台灣我們外籍移工裡面有六分之一的都選擇在桃園所以我們現在桃園大概外籍移工就超過11萬桃園也是一個移民的城市目前桃園針對我們外配的比例在去年\n\n01:00.170 --> 01:27.115\n這個比例已經達到我們超越新北已經達到第一所以這一陣子收到很多越南印尼很多我們外籍新住民群體針對他們相關就業跟職業訓練的部分有提出一些問題那剛好今天來請教一下部長跟我們署長請問一下那個部長大概知道我們去年112年我們新住民人數大概有多少\n\n01:28.467 --> 01:32.490\n一年新住民的人數對沒關係這個這個沒關係我大概跟這個部長講我們經過我們的70萬\n\n01:40.256 --> 01:57.732\n欸他是總共總共我們新住民的人數喔內政部統計喔是59萬多啦那所以他在去年的部分針對新住民喔已經超越了我們的原住民那加上如果新二代喔已經超過百萬人\n\n01:58.533 --> 02:24.580\n所以有人說去年112年可以說是新住民元年表示下新住民在我們台灣的人口數是非常非常的多那我想針對我們這59萬多的新住民朋友請問一下我們勞動部跟勞發署有沒有針對他們就業促進服務還有措施職業信念等等有沒有針對他們來提供這些的服務有有\n\n02:26.172 --> 02:49.655\n我們有定一些計畫還有那個作業的要點還針對新住民的這個職業訓練就業媒合等等都有提供相關的信息對那就是針對我們促進新住民我有看過我們有促進新住民作業補助作業要點那當然也針對新住民也開了一些專班\n\n02:50.856 --> 03:16.005\n當然表示我們勞動部在這一方面還是有在努力可是我們今天要講的重點說當然我們原住民的部分當然我們也需要照顧那現在新住民的部分人口數也這麼多那但是他的就業服務法裡面針對特定對象跟就業弱勢者這個母法裡面並沒有對他有特別的照顧所以我想說\n\n03:17.743 --> 03:30.354\n這一部分我們599萬多裡面因為這裡面我們發現有一些缺失59萬多裡面我們大概有14萬多超過20%的部分是我們這個要點沒有辦法照顧到的\n\n03:35.680 --> 03:50.252\n那就是說我們這些外配啊當他規劃成為我們中華民國國民之後他這些你們公佈的這些作業的要點就不能照顧到他\n\n03:50.953 --> 04:12.741\n那這裡面我們目前大概有21萬多的外配就是印尼馬來西亞菲律賓越南等等這些外配他有20萬人但是他規劃之後就這些要點就沒有辦法照顧他這個比例非常高大概有七成所以想說針對我們\n\n04:14.842 --> 04:42.752\n這一部分是不是我們有注意到這一部分因為有很多的他們反映結果規劃以後應該福利更好結果他規劃以後反而這些沒有照顧到他像我們很多的新住民的專班職業訓練津貼等等所以變成他們到時間到以後他可以領身份證他法要考慮了所以我不知道說我們勞動部針對這一部分有沒有注意到\n\n04:43.452 --> 05:09.393\n我這個部分來做一個回答其實跟委員報告這個我們的新住民他規劃以後他就是我們的國人他所有的這些就業就適用我們就業服務法相關的權益都是依照就業服務法所以是ok的沒有問題我們現在就業服務法是針對國人因為新住民不適用我們才另外訂一個新住民的補助所以剛好因為這我們也有演繹到\n\n05:10.134 --> 05:34.116\n因為新住民其他加入勞保農保的比例其實非常低大概只有五成那所以這個新住民他到時候加入這個就業保險法的比例我們絕對不是很樂觀而且他這裡面有四分之一的像自營作業無酬家屬的工作者還有雇主的身份這些是完全照顧不到的\n\n05:34.716 --> 05:52.975\n瓜哥委員因為他規劃以後他就是本國人了所以他就所有的他就比如說他如果受雇勞工他就是勞救保他的雇主就要幫他投保他如果是自營作業者或無一定雇主那他可以加入職業工會我們今天的重點就是說\n\n05:54.036 --> 06:09.608\n就是因為他們有提出就是說他規劃以後其實他的各方面的照顧福利反而是低的所以所以你們去研議一下他說可以領身份證的時候反而要考慮所以我覺得這也很奇怪再來講規劃成為國民應該是好的\n\n06:12.470 --> 06:29.622\n結果他認為說可以領身份證反而規劃以後各項福利是差的所以他可以領身份證反而考慮不要領所以我覺得說就像我們蔡英文總統這個新南向政策希望我們這新住民融入我們的台灣的社會那今天有這個要點\n\n06:30.783 --> 06:48.984\n好反而針對這些規劃以後他們覺得反而成為國民以後各項的福利補助反而減少所以我就希望我們勞動部針對這一部分你們可能要去研議一下可能這個我覺得有一些可能有疏漏所以今天我們會提案\n\n06:50.265 --> 07:07.001\n修正促進新住民就業補助作業要點需要放寬適用規劃的外國人還有要求勞動部要進行年度新住民就業狀況的檢查因為我們針對這個原住民的部分就業調查\n\n07:07.982 --> 07:22.268\n我們每一季做一次可是針對新住民我們是五年做一次所以我覺得這五年做一次可能針對整體新住民現在人口這麼眾多五年做一次可能沒有辦法確實的掌握他們的狀況\n\n07:23.808 --> 07:39.061\n還有我們原住民現在有原住民基本法可是新住民現在只有作業要點還有救福法的服務對象針對這些部分我們希望來研議一下針對這部分我們注意一下看是不是有機會來加強還有我請問一下我們部長我們當初有講2028我們\n\n07:47.574 --> 08:09.250\n老保說我們這個會基金會破產那當初我記得2020年我們部長也有講當然上來你就希望來做那個老保的年改那可是當初你說上來的時候要做這個年改可是這4年過去我想請問一下你的改革方案在哪裡\n\n08:10.104 --> 08:25.466\n報告委員其實那個因為勞保年改的部分會牽涉到千萬勞工的權益還有也涉及到60萬的投保單位所以這個部分其實各方的意見都不同因為我們有一些調整的方向\n\n08:27.188 --> 08:45.813\n各界都表達不同因為我們現在擔心你說2028會破產那2020我們是110年做的精算報告今年還會再做一次我們每三年做一次這是給政府一個參考說推估我們的基金用慶的時間點但是我跟委員報告就是說我們這幾年當然要推我想勞保財務的問題我們非常重視只是說\n\n08:53.655 --> 09:16.097\n我們就是有共識的先做因為我們也相信我們部長講所以很多的勞工當然也擔心2028這個會破產的問題那當然2020我們部長上任的時候也信誓旦旦說不惜丟掉烏紗帽也要來做這個年改然後你在9月的時候也說要求要在年底\n\n09:16.917 --> 09:44.588\n勞動部要提出這個草案這個當初那個部長都有接受採訪都有說出這些可是我們發現4年過去真的還是沒有看到這改革方案那眼看著2028就要到了而且現在部長我也不知道說520部長的去留所以我現在很擔心剩下大概4年的時間我們這個勞保年改的問題我們希望能夠好好處理不要讓這些我們勞工的權益來受損\n\n09:45.188 --> 10:04.648\n方委員這個放心勞動部一定會持續來努力我們現在先首要是先把勞保基金的財務讓它能夠穩定然後其他的面向我們還會持續跟勞資團體各界來溝通也聽取大家的意見有關於說要怎麼來改革或者說要怎麼來推動\n\n10:05.328 --> 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